<div dir="ltr"><div>The below email was reported to the PSF board for code of conduct violations and then passed on to the conduct working group to decide on an appropriate response.</div><div><br></div><div>Based on the WG's recommendation and after discussing it with Titus, the decision has been made to ban Jacco from python-ideas. Trivializing assault, using the n-word, and making inappropriate comments about someone's mental stability are all uncalled for and entirely unnecessary to carry on a reasonable discourse of conversation that remains welcoming to others.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 00:18 Jacco van Dorp <<a href="mailto:j.van.dorp@deonet.nl">j.van.dorp@deonet.nl</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">Op zo 16 sep. 2018 om 05:40 schreef Franklin? Lee <<a href="mailto:leewangzhong%2Bpython@gmail.com" target="_blank">leewangzhong+python@gmail.com</a>>:<br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am very disappointed with the responses to this thread. We have<br>
mockery, dismissiveness, and even insinuations about OP's<br>
psychological health. Whether or not OP is a troll, and whether or not<br>
OP's idea has merit, that kind of response is unnecessary and<br>
unhelpful.</blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Sure, I'll take your bait.</div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Jacco:<br>
- This is completely disrespectful and way over the line. Don't try to<br>
make a psychological evaluation from two emails, especially when it's<br>
just someone having an idea you don't like.<br>
"""However, if merely the word ugly being on a page can be<br>
"harmful", what you really need is professional help, not a change to<br>
Python. Because there's obviously been some things in your past you<br>
need to work through."""<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Is it, though ? Even more because in order for it to apply to any one person's aesthetics, you need to pull it out of context first. You need to be looking for it. Being triggered by a word this simple is not exactly a sign of mental stability. I know a girl who's been raped more than she can count - but the word doesn't trigger her like this(only makes her want to beat up rapists). If people can do that, then surely a playground insult wont reduce you to tears, right ?</div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- Mockery.<br>
"""If we have to ban "Ugly" for american sensitivities, then<br>
perhaps we need to ban a number of others for china's sensitivities.<br>
Where will it end ?"""<br></blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>Well, on the internet, the word "nigger" is already basically banned for american sensibilities, while the version in dutch, my language, is "neger", which doesn't really have any racist connotation, probably because the amount of slaves that have ever been in what's currently the netherlands, has been negligible. However, it's use is effectively banned because some other culture considers it offensive to use. Why should your culture be my censorship ? And it's no coincidence I used china there - it's notorious for it's censorship. If merely labeling a word as "offensive" is sufficient to ban it, I daresay they'd mark a whole lot more words as offensive. And why would their opinion be any less valid than yours ? </div><div><br></div><div>Don't think you're special - you're not. If you want to give yourself the power to ban words for offensive, you're giving that same power to everyone. And since offensive is subjective, it means anybody could ban any word, since you couldn't tell the difference between real or fake offense. </div><div><br></div><div>Therefore, it is a disastrous idea and I'll predict the end of Python if we go down that route. </div><div> </div></div></div>
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