<div dir="ltr">[Marcos Eliziario]<div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><font face="monospace, monospace">Typical technical discussion in threaded discussion foruns<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace">--First Post<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- First Level<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- First level with an interesting idea (let's do B?)<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level discussing some potential issues with B<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level workaround for said issues, namely, making sure D<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level more discussion<br></font><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd level add nausean<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 3rd replied by mistake last poster, not parent thread<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 3rd some are answering here now<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd another guy answering ad nausean here<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd unrelated thoughts<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd discussion continues on the parent level, but some answers are buried on the level below "ad nausean <br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- a consensus is found!<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- Yeah, let's do B, but taking care of D<br></span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- bla bla bla<br></span><font face="monospace, monospace"> ....<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> ....<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- Hey, what if we did B?<br></font><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- all over again.........</font></blockquote><div><br>Is this intended to make forums look better or worse than the typical Python-ideas thread. My experience has been:<br><br><font face="monospace, monospace">-- First Post<br> -- Counterpoint A<br> -- I'm -1 on this<br> -- Counterpoint A<br> -- Counterpoint A<br> -- Counterpoint B</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- Counterpoint A<br> -- I'm -1 on this<br> -- Counterpoint A<br> ...</font><br> </div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:38 PM Marcos Eliziario <<a href="mailto:marcos.eliziario@gmail.com">marcos.eliziario@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><font face="monospace, monospace">Typical technical discussion in threaded discussion foruns</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace">--First Post</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- First Level</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- First level with an interesting idea (let's do B?)</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level discussing some potential issues with B</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level workaround for said issues, namely, making sure D</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- 2nd level more discussion</font></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd level add nausean</span><br></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 3rd replied by mistake last poster, not parent thread</span><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 3rd some are answering here now</span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd another guy answering ad nausean here</span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd unrelated thoughts</span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- 2nd discussion continues on the parent level, but some answers are buried on the level below "ad nausean </span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- a consensus is found!</span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- Yeah, let's do B, but taking care of D</span></div><div><span style="font-family:monospace,monospace"> -- bla bla bla</span></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> ....</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> ....</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- Hey, what if we did B?</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> -- all over again.........</font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"> </font></div><div><font face="monospace, monospace"><br></font></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Em sex, 1 de fev de 2019 às 22:30, Abe Dillon <<a href="mailto:abedillon@gmail.com" target="_blank">abedillon@gmail.com</a>> escreveu:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">[David Mertz]</div><div dir="auto"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other readers. </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any system where such ratings of comments existed.</blockquote><div><br>Then just sort by chronological order.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:19 PM David Mertz <<a href="mailto:mertz@gnosis.cx" target="_blank">mertz@gnosis.cx</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I have absolutely no interest in any system that arranges comments in anything but related thread and chronological order. I DO NOT want any rating or evaluation of comments of any kind other than my own evaluation based on reading them. Well, also in reading the informed opinions of other readers. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would find it useless if not actively counterproductive to follow any system where such ratings of comments existed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">There is one property that every system invented to supercede email have in common. They are all dramatically worse in almost every way.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Feb 1, 2019, 5:09 PM Abe Dillon <<a href="mailto:abedillon@gmail.com" target="_blank">abedillon@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div> [Dan Sommers]</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is<br>that there are many of them, and *you* control the display<br>and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum<br>or owns the server.</blockquote><div><br>There is a tool called the Reddit Enhancement Suite or RES (and probably others)<br>That lets you control a great deal of the display and other preferences, however; I'm not<br>sure how that control compares to something like Thunderbird.<br><br>One thing that's nice about Reddit is you can link to posts, so if you've already discussed something at length in another thread,<br>you can simply refer to that discussion.<br><br> [Dan Sommers]<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users<br>don't count for anything. The ideas stand on their own<br>merits and research and metrics; users only serve to<br>confirm the methodology.</blockquote><div><br>A lot can be said about how an ideal world would work. Ideally, we could define the meaning of life and good and evil and we wouldn't need this clumsy system of laws and courts to approximate the whole mess.<br><br>I don't think it's that crazy to think that a voting system might approximate merit a little better than the timestamp on a post.<br>It's not going to be perfect, but perfect shouldn't be the enemy of better.</div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 3:17 PM Dan Sommers <<a href="mailto:2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">2QdxY4RzWzUUiLuE@potatochowder.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2/1/19 2:58 PM, Abe Dillon wrote:<br>
> [Dan Sommers]<br>
> <br>
>> A mailing list is not a feed... Dan, a decades and decades long fan of<br>
>> mailing lists and real email clients.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> I'm only familiar with Gmail which keeps reply chains coherent and moves<br>
> each chain to the top of my "forums" tab based on who responded last.<br>
> I haven't explored the various email clients available, can you suggest one?<br>
<br>
I used mutt for a long time, and then claws-mail, and now<br>
thunderbird. They all met my needs, although I did give<br>
up on claws-mail when I got a hidpi display (claws-mail<br>
based on gtk2, which doesn't grok hidpi displays).<br>
<br>
Another point in favor of email clients over web pages is<br>
that there are many of them, and *you* control the display<br>
and other preferences rather than whoever wrote the forum<br>
or owns the server.<br>
<br>
> [Dan Sommers]<br>
> <br>
>> Whoever posted last ends up at the bottom of the thread, so that I can<br>
>> read threads from top to bottom in chronological order. Getting the<br>
>> last word in shouldn't earn a spot at the top of the list.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> That doesn't like any closer an approximation to a merit-based solution to<br>
> me.<br>
Perhaps not all by itself. Many/most email clients allow<br>
individual users to "score" emails by various criteria, and<br>
then to display higher scoring messages "above" the others,<br>
or not display certain messages at all. Personally, I don't<br>
use the automated systems, but they're very comprehensive<br>
(arguably too complicated), and again, *user* adjustable.<br>
<br>
In an optimal technical discussion, opinions from users<br>
don't count for anything. The ideas stand on their own<br>
merits and research and metrics; users only serve to<br>
confirm the methodology.<br>
<br>
Dan<br>
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