mmealman at loki.thebisgroup.com
Thu Mar 22 21:55:28 CET 2001
In article <3ABAB2F7.127D3872 at webamused.com>, Joshua Macy wrote:
>Alex Martelli wrote:
>> "Cameron Laird" <claird at starbase.neosoft.com> wrote in message
>> news:1901D50DC30D30E4.16551C1AB0FB4363.C0D72E208759F8A7 at lp.airnews.net...
>> > meaningful. People do NOT start learning
>> > Java lightly; it often takes hours just to
>> > install and configure a minimal JDK, let
>> *blink* -- I'm hardly a Java-ite, myself, but
>> "install and configure a minimal JDK" I would
>> estimate as typically a 10-minute job (on, say,
>> NT -- is it an order of magnitude harder on,
>> say, Linux?!). Maybe I misunderstand what
>> you mean...?
> It only takes about 10 minutes to download a Win32 installer and run
>it--but if by configure one means understand and implement workable
>solutions to the cryptic and bizarre interaction between Java package
>namespaces, classpaths, and the WinNT filesystem, I think an hour might
>be an underestimate. Most programmers I know who art trying to "get
>into" Java end up either putting every jar in the world into their
>CLASSPATH environment variable, or downloading and installing something
>like SmartJ...but it takes them more than an hour to arrive at one of
>those solutions unless they have someone to help them.
Yeah. Let's see, been programming for 15+ years, know about 10+ languages,
got into Java right after its beta(JDK 1.02) and spent two years screwing
around with it.
But I'm still real fuzzy on how their paths/jars/imports fully work and it's
a pain in the ass for me to install any app that wants to run off the JDK or
JRE, mostly because getting the stupid CLASSPATH right makes Quantum physics
Java = good intentions, bad implementations.
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