Hello,<br><br>Without trying to argue about the purity of package managers or their uses I would say that the reality is that there are some issues with dependable python packages supplied for various distros. Because of that I always find it easier to manage the necessary packages myself, that's all I was trying to say. Sometimes it's just not worth the trouble of fighting a package manager when you have something else that's completely workable and reliable, e.g. pip/setup_tools and pypi. Even then we're sometimes forced to develop against trunk for various projects, in which case you would still be better off using something like pip.<br>
<br>The reason setup_tools was installed is because pip requires it to function and I've never had any trouble using the bootstrap scripts then installing pip via easy_install.<br><br>This has been my experience and your mileage may vary.<br>
<br>Cheers,<br>-Ed<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 1 April 2010 10:51, John Pinner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:funthyme@gmail.com">funthyme@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
HI,<br><br>At the risk of repeating other (lengthy) discussions on this subject from 18 months ago...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On 1 April 2010 02:39, Jon Ribbens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jon%2Bpython-uk@unequivocal.co.uk" target="_blank">jon+python-uk@unequivocal.co.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div>On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:14:50PM +0100, Ed Stafford wrote:<br>
> Mike,<br>
><br>
> Glad it worked for you. Although the Ubuntu team does a fine job of<br>
> package management I'm still a bit hesitant to use their python packages.<br></div></blockquote></div><div><br>The problem is that they're usually out-of-date. The same goes for debian whence Ubuntu obtain their packages.<br>
<br>The advantage of using Ubuntu/Debian packages, where up-to-date ones exist, is that your system is under consistent control of the system's package manager.<br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>
> It's easy enough using vanilla python to get everything you need going.</div></blockquote></div><div><br>The issue with using the Python utils is that they do not play with the distibution's package management. For example, they do not cooperate over dependencies, nor provide a clean uninstall. No self-respecting sysadmin would dream of using them, simply because they are independent of the system's package management ( eg apt or yum).<br>
<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div> In<br>
> the future you can do the following just as easily.<br>
><br>
</div>> `wget [1]<a href="http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py%60" target="_blank">http://peak.telecommunity.com/dist/ez_setup.py`</a><br>
<div>> `sudo python ez_setup.py`<br>
> `sudo easy_install pip virtualenv virtualenvwrapper`<br>
<br>
</div>I strongly advise not using easy_install, it's awful.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>Yes, because it's trying to solve the problems of package management on systems without a'proper' package manager, it compromises those systems with one.<br>
<br>I think that the solution here is for the Python package maintainers to make sure that *they* provide the Debian/Ubuntu/Red Hat/SUSE/whatever packages, and not rely on the hard-pressed distribution maintainers.<br><br>
A kludge that I use is to download the Python package, eg xlwt, then do a setup.py build, and run alien on the resulting tar.gz to produce a .deb or .rpm. At least I get a package which can be installed/uninstalled by the system package manager, although Python dependencies will not be managed without a bit of tweaking.<br>
<br>Best wishes,<br><br>John<br>--<br><br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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