<div dir="ltr">I suggest re-naming <div><br></div><div>From: "London Python Dojo" </div><div>To : "London Python Party"</div><div><br></div><div>Please note that "The Public" are consistently [1] Googling for "Python Party" more than "Python Dojo".</div>
<div><br></div><div>And Party is totally less martial-artsy.</div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=python+dojo#q=python%20dojo%2C%20%20python%20party&cmpt=q">http://www.google.co.uk/trends/explore?q=python+dojo#q=python%20dojo%2C%20%20python%20party&cmpt=q</a></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 July 2013 13:40, Jonathan Hartley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tartley@tartley.com" target="_blank">tartley@tartley.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>I guess that makes sense: With the dojo
we want to encourage participation, whereas with the game
challenges I was thinking of, they are optimised to producing
finished, working projects (where a proven track record is a good
positive indicator.)<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Jonathan</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 15/07/13 13:33, Stestagg wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I wonder, with the dojo happening every month, and
most people turning up most times, if this might turn into a bit
of a popularity contest.
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<div>If a leader won last time, then people will be more likely
to go for the 'safe option' and join that person next time.</div>
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<div>I do like the current method of having random team choices</div>
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<div>Steve</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:14 PM, René
Dudfield <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:renesd@gmail.com" target="_blank">renesd@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<p>That could work with a theme... the goal doesn't have to
be a game? It's more inventing the problem as you go?</p>
<p>Unrelated thought for a good exercise... new requirements
are introduced at half time... and then 5 minutes before
the end... like real life.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 15, 2013 2:05 PM,
"Jonathan Hartley" <<a href="mailto:tartley@tartley.com" target="_blank">tartley@tartley.com</a>>
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<div>I don't think this helps, but it's a model I
think is otherwise widely applicable, so I'll
spread the seed:<br>
<br>
One model I've seen work well on game
programming challenges is that self-selected
leaders will each pitch their project vision,
and then participants will decide which leader's
team they would like to join. Leaders may also
prefer other pitches to their own, and decide to
revoke or merge pitches (generally, only one
leader in a merged pitch will retain the
'leader' tag)<br>
<br>
This has advantages that:<br>
<br>
* self-selected leaders are vetted by the crowd.
If they are revealed, during their pitch, to be
blustering buffoons, then people can vote with
their feet.<br>
<br>
* everyone gets to work with the
project/leadership that they choose, so in
theory happiness is maximised (for everyone
apart from the 'failed' project leaders.)<br>
<br>
* projects which are popular are allocated
correspondingly generous personpower.<br>
<br>
The disadvantages are:<br>
<br>
* It isn't remotely relevant to our current dojo
format<br>
<br>
* It doesn't give even distribution of team
sizes<br>
<br>
Jonathan<br>
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On 12/07/13 20:53, xtian wrote:<br>
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<div>I like the sound of this - Scrapheap
Challenge style. You're right, it would take a
bit more organisation though.</div>
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On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:31, Alistair Broomhead
<<a href="mailto:alistair.broomhead@gmail.com" target="_blank">alistair.broomhead@gmail.com</a>>
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<p dir="ltr">Something that may may not work
(I guess it would take a fair amount of
organisation) once a challenge has been
picked, we ask people to volunteer as team
leaders, they get a git repo set up and
write tests, but their main role is to
advise their team and give them a nudge on
things which are stopping them from
progressing. This would mean that each
team has an 'expert', but I guess it would
also mean people who were willing to take
this role would have to bring a laptop off
their own -an issue for me as I don't own
one...</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 12 Jul 2013
14:19, "Javier Llopis" <<a href="mailto:javier@correo.com" target="_blank">javier@correo.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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>> Another person could simply
say: mmm... interesting but... not for
my<br>
>> level. And stop coming. Do you
really want this?<br>
><br>
> When all's said and done, if
someone doesn't think it's for them,
then<br>
> it's not for them. We can try to be
as accommodating as possible, but<br>
> you can't please all the people all
the time.<br>
><br>
<br>
...And in this case, I would rather try
to keep the expert coders in<br>
instead of the newbies. Better be
challenged than bored.<br>
<br>
Just my 2p<br>
<br>
J<br>
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