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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Brian, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would like to encourage you to continue
your excellent work on Python.NET. It’s my opinion that it will be
a _<i><span style='font-style:italic'>long</span></i>_ time before IronPython comes
close to Python.NET in terms of usability, if ever. Here are some of my
reasons for that opinion:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font
size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>JH was hired by MS to work on dynamic languages, not IronPython per
se, and consequently, IronPython may not be his first priority. (Why
would they want something that would supplant VB?)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>For IronPython to provide any useful functionality it will either
have to directly support the existing Python libraries or these libraries will
have to be ported to .NET. Neither of these possibilities can be quickly
achieved.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.75in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><font
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color:navy'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<font size=1 face="Times New Roman"><span
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size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:navy'>MS may decide to leave IronPython as a research project and not
publicly support it (as they have done with AsmL and many other internal
projects). <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Basically my point is that Python.NET is
great and is immediately useful, and I sincerely hope you don’t abandon it.
As Rumack said in “Airplane”: good luck, we’re all counting
on you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>--Thane<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
pythondotnet-bounces@python.org [mailto:pythondotnet-bounces@python.org] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Brian Lloyd<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, November 29, 2004
9:00 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Fusilier Sebastien-sfus01;
pythondotnet@python.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Python.NET] How to
use "out" or "ref" on method parameter list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Hi Sebastien,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Unfortunately out and ref params still
aren't supported ;( I was thinking that </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>IronPython was going to take off, so I
haven't been putting much time into</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Python for .NET lately. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If anyone out there does have the time,
MethodBinder.cs is probably the place </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>to hack this in ;)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=2 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Brian
Lloyd brian@zope.com<br>
V.P. Engineering
540.361.1716 <br>
Zope Corporation <a href="http://www.zope.com/" target="_blank">http://www.zope.com</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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