From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Mon Aug  1 19:02:05 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 10:02:05 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] memory allocation issue
In-Reply-To: <71D9441A-F9F5-4734-872D-B8ABC64B0EDA@redivi.com>
References: <723eb69305073007274b6a4cdc@mail.gmail.com>
	<71D9441A-F9F5-4734-872D-B8ABC64B0EDA@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <42EE558D.5010003@noaa.gov>

Bob Ippolito wrote:
> I imagine that the issue here is related to the following:
> http://bob.pythonmac.org/archives/2005/01/01/realloc-doesnt/

> I suggest taking a look for code that creates big objects, resizes  
> them to be smaller, and keeps them around for a bit.

Good idea, but I doubt that Numeric ever uses realloc(). A search 
through the code and/or a post to the NumPy list will tell you.

Chris Fonnesbeck wrote:
> It essentially
> generates long sample arrays of parameter values,


> Should I be using numarray instead -- it sounds like
> I would take a performance hit if I did. 

 From your brief description, you wouldn't take a performance hit. 
numarray is slower when creating new arrays, but if you're working with 
big arrays, then the creation time is small anyway, compared to doing 
things with them. Numarray can be faster than Numeric for some 
operations with large arrays.

I don't' think it's likely that numarray will solve your problem, but if 
it does, it will give you hint as to what the problem is.

-Chris


-- 
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From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Wed Aug  3 21:21:53 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:21:53 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via Python?
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA5@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Folks,

Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
Preference pane?
The only real solution that I have thought up is to find the plist and
read it from there....

I could use Socket to get the TCPIP name, but in this case, that is a
DHCP name, and wouldn't help me figure out who's system it is...

Any one know which plist contains the share name?  And possibly a better
way to find the computers name?

		- Benjamin

From Henning.Ramm at mediapro-gmbh.de  Wed Aug  3 21:28:34 2005
From: Henning.Ramm at mediapro-gmbh.de (Henning.Ramm@mediapro-gmbh.de)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 21:28:34 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via
	Python?
Message-ID: <F92274058556DE42B94B148EEFB91839021CB4FD@exchange-03.suedkurier.de>

>Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
>Preference pane?

Is `hostname` what you look for?

Best regards,
Henning Hraban Ramm
S?dkurier Medienhaus / MediaPro
Support/Admin/Development Dept.

From njriley at uiuc.edu  Wed Aug  3 21:41:25 2005
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 14:41:25 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA5@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA5@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <20050803194125.GB57416@uiuc.edu>

On Wed, Aug 03, 2005 at 03:21:53PM -0400, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
> Preference pane?
> The only real solution that I have thought up is to find the plist and
> read it from there....

<http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1078.html>

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From sriram at malhar.net  Thu Aug  4 01:07:29 2005
From: sriram at malhar.net (Sriram Srinivasan)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:37:29 +0530
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Subprocess module hangs with select
Message-ID: <92137BEF-76CC-43A8-AC98-02C21AEB1974@malhar.net>

I wonder if anyone has seen this behavior or can explain it to me.

I Popen a process and monitor its stdout using select, as follows.

     process = Popen(args,stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE)
     while True:
         if not (process.returncode == None):
             print process.returncode
             break
         ready,_, _ = select.select([process.stdout, process.stderr], 
[], [], 5)
         if ready:
         for fd in ready:
             print fd.readline()

Now this works fine, in that it dumps out everything that the program  
can print, but when the exec'd program finishes executing, the select 
() call just hangs. The timeout on the select has no effect.

Ideas?

Thank you very much.

--Sriram

From bob at redivi.com  Thu Aug  4 03:11:52 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:11:52 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Subprocess module hangs with select
In-Reply-To: <92137BEF-76CC-43A8-AC98-02C21AEB1974@malhar.net>
References: <92137BEF-76CC-43A8-AC98-02C21AEB1974@malhar.net>
Message-ID: <70E0BD98-1268-4FCD-9F79-F469DBA47EA5@redivi.com>


On Aug 3, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Sriram Srinivasan wrote:

> I wonder if anyone has seen this behavior or can explain it to me.
>
> I Popen a process and monitor its stdout using select, as follows.
>
>      process = Popen(args,stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE)
>      while True:
>          if not (process.returncode == None):
>              print process.returncode
>              break
>          ready,_, _ = select.select([process.stdout, process.stderr],
> [], [], 5)
>          if ready:
>          for fd in ready:
>              print fd.readline()
>
> Now this works fine, in that it dumps out everything that the program
> can print, but when the exec'd program finishes executing, the select
> () call just hangs. The timeout on the select has no effect.

I'm relatively sure that subprocess module is not suitable for non- 
blocking IO like that...  Check the docs or shoot a message over to  
python-list, I'm sure someone there knows.

-bob


From sriram at malhar.net  Thu Aug  4 05:19:35 2005
From: sriram at malhar.net (Sriram Srinivasan)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:49:35 +0530
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Subprocess module hangs with select
In-Reply-To: <70E0BD98-1268-4FCD-9F79-F469DBA47EA5@redivi.com>
References: <92137BEF-76CC-43A8-AC98-02C21AEB1974@malhar.net>
	<70E0BD98-1268-4FCD-9F79-F469DBA47EA5@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <28C92B68-ED44-4850-9679-705F3332EA14@malhar.net>

Thanks Bob, for the prompt response.

I guessed as much. In any case, select over a pipe isn't portable to  
Windows, so I converted it to a threaded + blocking I/O. Simpler code  
and works well enough for my case (I won't end up spawning too many  
threads)

--Sriram


On Aug 4, 2005, at 6:41 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:

>
> On Aug 3, 2005, at 1:07 PM, Sriram Srinivasan wrote:
>
>
>> I wonder if anyone has seen this behavior or can explain it to me.
>>
>> I Popen a process and monitor its stdout using select, as follows.
>>
>>      process = Popen(args,stdin=PIPE, stdout=PIPE, stderr=PIPE)
>>      while True:
>>          if not (process.returncode == None):
>>              print process.returncode
>>              break
>>          ready,_, _ = select.select([process.stdout, process.stderr],
>> [], [], 5)
>>          if ready:
>>          for fd in ready:
>>              print fd.readline()
>>
>> Now this works fine, in that it dumps out everything that the program
>> can print, but when the exec'd program finishes executing, the select
>> () call just hangs. The timeout on the select has no effect.
>>
>
> I'm relatively sure that subprocess module is not suitable for non- 
> blocking IO like that...  Check the docs or shoot a message over to  
> python-list, I'm sure someone there knows.
>
> -bob
>
>
>
>


From dfh at forestfield.co.uk  Thu Aug  4 09:14:00 2005
From: dfh at forestfield.co.uk (David Hughes)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 08:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA5@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <memo.20050804081457.3944A@forestfield.cix.co.uk>

> *From:* "Schollnick, Benjamin" <Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com>
> *To:* <pythonmac-sig at python.org>
> *Date:* Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:21:53 -0400
> 
> Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
> Preference pane?

import os
def  get_system_info():
    """ Use system_profiler command to return a dict of
        information about system
    """
    info_dict = {'systemversion': None,
                 'kernelversion': None,
                 'bootvolume': None,
                 'computername': None,
                 'username': None }
    command =  'system_profiler SPSoftwareDataType'
    fo = os.popen(command, 'r')
    for line in fo.readlines():
        ilist =  line[:-1].split(':')
        if len(ilist) >= 2:
            for key in info_dict:
                if key == ilist[0].replace(' ','').lower():
                    info_dict[key] = ilist[1]
    return info_dict
print repr(get_system_info())

Regards,

David Hughes
Forestfield Software
www.foresoft.co.uk

From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Thu Aug  4 11:43:59 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:43:59 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via
	Python?
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B9124CFE@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

> Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
> Preference pane?
> The only real solution that I have thought up is to find the plist and
> read it from there....

<http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1078.html>

The major problem with this is that I'm trying for a python
based solution....

So I guess I could use PyObj to bridge to Objective C... But
I've never touched that... (Sorry Bob! >grin<)

Any ideas on a Python based solution?

  - Benjamin

From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Thu Aug  4 11:53:46 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 05:53:46 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh viaPython?
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B9124CFF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

I'll double check... to see how that shows up on Sol_Bianca...

1) But I believe that hostname will return the TCPIP name, which in this case would be 
DHCP207-xxxx-yyyyy-zzzz...etc...

2) The system profiler does have networking configuration data, but I did not see the
computer name in there...  I'll double check.... Under Panther it certainly does, but it
maybe based off the TCPIP name...  

-  Benjamin

From bob at redivi.com  Thu Aug  4 12:10:34 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 00:10:34 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh via
	Python?
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B9124CFE@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B9124CFE@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <7A314151-F11A-47DF-B877-EFEDD6C774EC@redivi.com>


On Aug 3, 2005, at 11:43 PM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

>> Anyone have any idea on how to get the Machine Name from the Sharing
>> Preference pane?
>> The only real solution that I have thought up is to find the plist  
>> and
>> read it from there....
>>
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1078.html>
>
> The major problem with this is that I'm trying for a python
> based solution....
>
> So I guess I could use PyObj to bridge to Objective C... But
> I've never touched that... (Sorry Bob! >grin<)
>
> Any ideas on a Python based solution?

Unless you're using ctypes or PyObjC to FFI those functions, there is  
no Python based solution that I'm aware of.  Alternatively, you could  
of course write an extension in C or Pyrex.

In general, if it wasn't part of MacOS 9 or isn't standard POSIX,  
you're not going to find it in the stdlib... except for a few  
CoreFoundation functions, which you shouldn't use anyway because some  
of them are/were broken.

-bob


From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Thu Aug  4 15:10:43 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh viaPython?
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA6@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

> Is `hostname` what you look for?

I just confirmed....  The Command Line "hostname" application
does indeed return the TCP/IP hostname...  In this case the
DHCP assigned hostname...

But system_profiler does indeed for Local_host_name return the
Sharing pref. Plane machine name....

Since I'm reading that information anyway, that works nicely...
(But I would swear that I had checked that earlier...)

		- Benjamin

From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Thu Aug  4 16:20:54 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Augh? Is this possible? Python can not read
	~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA7@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Folks,

This is strange...  But I suspect it is a permissions issue....

1) I can not seemingly read my screensaver preference file.
~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist

	os.path.exists (
r"~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist"
)
	
	returns False...

	The file exists...  I can CAT or GREP it..  But I can not
seemingly read
	it from inside of python.....

	Can anyone duplicate this?  

	I suspect that this maybe that it is -rw------? (Read/writable
by Administrators
	Only)....

	But if I SUDO the python application (ie. sudo python
console4.py) it still
	fails....

	Any ideas? or work arounds?  

	System_profiler does not have this data... I checked the XML
file... It only
	lists the screensaver module name...  (I need the IdleTime, and
if it is password
	protected...)

		- Ben

From steve at spvi.com  Thu Aug  4 16:30:20 2005
From: steve at spvi.com (Steve Spicklemire)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 09:30:20 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Augh? Is this possible? Python can not read
	~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA7@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA7@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <363E485B-8555-4177-BEF4-511B3D6A4F4E@spvi.com>

I don't think you can use the '~' shortcut in python:

 >>> os.path.exists('~/.bashrc')
False
 >>> os.path.exists('/Users/steve/.bashrc')
True

-steve

On Aug 4, 2005, at 9:20 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This is strange...  But I suspect it is a permissions issue....
>
> 1) I can not seemingly read my screensaver preference file.
> ~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
>
>     os.path.exists (
> r"~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver. 
> 003065980c94.plist"
> )
>
>     returns False...
>
>     The file exists...  I can CAT or GREP it..  But I can not
> seemingly read
>     it from inside of python.....
>
>     Can anyone duplicate this?
>
>     I suspect that this maybe that it is -rw------? (Read/writable
> by Administrators
>     Only)....
>
>     But if I SUDO the python application (ie. sudo python
> console4.py) it still
>     fails....
>
>     Any ideas? or work arounds?
>
>     System_profiler does not have this data... I checked the XML
> file... It only
>     lists the screensaver module name...  (I need the IdleTime, and
> if it is password
>     protected...)
>
>         - Ben
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>
>


From bob at redivi.com  Thu Aug  4 16:35:22 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:35:22 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Augh? Is this possible? Python can not read
	~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA7@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA7@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <457C1455-3D27-4069-B373-B6075252B7DB@redivi.com>


On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:20 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

> Folks,
>
> This is strange...  But I suspect it is a permissions issue....
>
> 1) I can not seemingly read my screensaver preference file.
> ~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
>
>     os.path.exists (
> r"~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver. 
> 003065980c94.plist"
> )
>
>     returns False...

os.path.exists(os.path.expanduser('~/....'))

-bob


From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Thu Aug  4 16:44:16 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 10:44:16 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Augh? Is this possible? Python can not read
	~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA9@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>


> os.path.exists(os.path.expanduser('~/....'))

Thanks Bob....

I should of remembered that...  (Doh!)...  I've read it a few times in
the library reference...  But my excuse of the day is that I normally
program with Python on a Windows box...  ~ doesn't exist there....

Oh well...  I knew it had to of been my fault...

Thanks for the fast reply!

		- Ben

From bob at redivi.com  Thu Aug  4 16:50:59 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 04:50:59 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Augh? Is this possible? Python can not read
	~/Library/Preferences/ByHost/com.apple.screensaver.003065980c94.plist
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA9@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA9@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <65D18378-6FA7-4F4F-AB31-FB18958AB8BA@redivi.com>


On Aug 4, 2005, at 4:44 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

>
>
>> os.path.exists(os.path.expanduser('~/....'))
>>
>
> Thanks Bob....
>
> I should of remembered that...  (Doh!)...  I've read it a few times in
> the library reference...  But my excuse of the day is that I normally
> program with Python on a Windows box...  ~ doesn't exist there....

IIRC, it actually does exist on Windows as far as os.path.expanduser  
is concerned... at least on Windows NT-based machines (Windows 2000,  
XP, NT4, etc.) :)

-bob


From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Fri Aug  5 15:29:18 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:29:18 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app Question...
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFAF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Folks,

I just started using py2app....  So this is probably due to operator
error...
But I'm quite surprised that the actual application's .py file is stored
in the
py2app bundle.  I expected the PYC file to be used.

While it's not a "huge" concern, I don't like the idea of anyone with a
text
editor being able to see my source code for the main unit....

Is there someway to force it to use a PYC instead?

from distutils.core import setup
import py2app

py2app_options = { 'argv_emulation':True,
                    'optimize':2,
                    'compressed':1}

data_files = [ ("", ["AUDIT.INI",
                     "AUDIT_GUI.RSRC.PY",
                     "sample_audit.ini",
                     "clean_desk.rpt",
                     "software.rpt"]) 
             ]

#setup ( app=['console4.py'],
#        options={"py2app": dict(py2app_options)},
#        data_files= data_files )

setup ( app=['audit_gui.py'],
        options={"py2app": dict(py2app_options)},
        data_files= data_files )

From bob at redivi.com  Fri Aug  5 15:41:41 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 03:41:41 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app Question...
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFAF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFAF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <D3F68944-E604-4035-9E95-8983CEAB8FD6@redivi.com>


On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:29 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I just started using py2app....  So this is probably due to operator
> error...
> But I'm quite surprised that the actual application's .py file is  
> stored
> in the
> py2app bundle.  I expected the PYC file to be used.
>
> While it's not a "huge" concern, I don't like the idea of anyone  
> with a
> text
> editor being able to see my source code for the main unit....
>
> Is there someway to force it to use a PYC instead?

Use a script that imports your module, instead of using your module  
directly.

-bob


From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sat Aug  6 02:00:04 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:00:04 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Getting Sharing name of the Macintosh viaPython?
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFA6@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <OFBB58684D.7C9752DB-ON86257054.00833FB0-86257055.0000022B@omsdal.com>

I've long been successfully using this hack I found at macosxhints.com:

/usr/bin/awk '/ComputerName/ {{{getline} print 
substr($0,12,length($0)-20)} exit}' 
/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/preferences.plist

The output of this command can of course be parsed by Python.

A better way would be to use plistlib to parse the preferences.plist file, 
but I just never
got around to it since the awk thing has been working reliably.


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com

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From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sat Aug  6 03:21:46 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:21:46 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using Python
Message-ID: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>

I'm looking for someone who can provide some limited consultation for
a Python project we're doing in in the IT dept at my place
of employment (OMS). In particular, we have a Python client/server app
which needs to do Active Directory authentication from both Mac OS X
and Windows XP clients.

The client Python app will take username and password input from the
user, and then contact the Active Directory to obtain credentials. The
client app will then pass the credentials to the server app, which
will inspect the credentials and provide appropriate authorizations.
The server app runs under Windows XP.

We'd like to get this accomplished fairly soon, and expect lots of
folks have already done this sort of thing with Python in the Windows
realm. However, I'm worried that we're going to get stuck doing this
on the Mac. If anyone can help us with this part of the project, it
would be much appreciated. If you know how to do it on Windows as well,
even better. 

If are willing and able to provide consultation services for this,
please respond to me off list. Of course, any comments about this
posted freely to this list would be appreciated as well.

Thanks!

Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From bob at redivi.com  Sat Aug  6 04:05:23 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:05:23 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
References: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>


On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:21 PM, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:

> I'm looking for someone who can provide some limited consultation for
> a Python project we're doing in in the IT dept at my place
> of employment (OMS). In particular, we have a Python client/server app
> which needs to do Active Directory authentication from both Mac OS X
> and Windows XP clients.
>
> The client Python app will take username and password input from the
> user, and then contact the Active Directory to obtain credentials. The
> client app will then pass the credentials to the server app, which
> will inspect the credentials and provide appropriate authorizations.
> The server app runs under Windows XP.
>
> We'd like to get this accomplished fairly soon, and expect lots of
> folks have already done this sort of thing with Python in the Windows
> realm. However, I'm worried that we're going to get stuck doing this
> on the Mac. If anyone can help us with this part of the project, it
> would be much appreciated. If you know how to do it on Windows as  
> well,
> even better.

The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since  
Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a non- 
standard Kerberos implementation.  You can crib some code from  
LDAPUserFolder for the authentication bits.  I'm not sure exactly  
what "obtaining credentials" involves, but I'm guessing that's just a  
Kerberos ticket?  Mac OS X should have all the APIs to do it, since  
it has good Kerberos support which supposedly integrates well with  
Active Directory... you'll probably have to a C extension to get at  
that, but that should be no big deal.

Good luck, I don't have any Windows Server machines around, and am  
not really interested in dealing with Windows... but hopefully  
somebody else can help you :)

-bob


From dangoor at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 04:51:50 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:51:50 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
Message-ID: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>

I've been looking through the docs on Apple's site a bit today, and
I'm not entirely certain where I *should* be looking. All I need is a
pointer to the correct terminology for what I'm trying to do (and if
PyObjC offers any specific bits that I should be aware of), and I
should be good to go from there.

I'm trying to figure out how to make my app open something the user
has requested to open from another app. My app is registered nicely
via LaunchServices with a trivial addition to Info.plist. I'm using
CFBundleURLTypes to register a URL scheme.

So, once that is registered, how do I actually get the incoming URL?

I've gathered that the application delegate gets called when the user
wants to open a file. Is a subclass of NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass
an application delegate?

Don't worry about writing a long description... any pointers at all
would be helpful, since the Apple docs are pretty good once you know
what you're looking for. Part of my problem is that searches on
Apple's site return an interesting mix of Carbon and Cocoa APIs,
making it less clear what the best way to do it is.

(For reference, my target is Python 2.4.1, Mac OS 10.3+, latest PyObjC...)

Thanks in advance!

Kevin

From bob at redivi.com  Sat Aug  6 05:01:28 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 17:01:28 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>

On Aug 5, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> I've been looking through the docs on Apple's site a bit today, and
> I'm not entirely certain where I *should* be looking. All I need is a
> pointer to the correct terminology for what I'm trying to do (and if
> PyObjC offers any specific bits that I should be aware of), and I
> should be good to go from there.
>
> I'm trying to figure out how to make my app open something the user
> has requested to open from another app. My app is registered nicely
> via LaunchServices with a trivial addition to Info.plist. I'm using
> CFBundleURLTypes to register a URL scheme.
>
> So, once that is registered, how do I actually get the incoming URL?

You may have to do that with a get URL apple event handler, see here:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ 
Scriptability/Concepts/ScriptabilityOverview.html
(you shouldn't need any Carbon)

Speaking of which, it might be cool if someone submitted a patch to  
the PyDocURLProtocol example to make it handle the "pydoc" URL scheme  
from other applications, rather than just its own WebKit view.
https://svn.red-bean.com/pyobjc/trunk/pyobjc/Examples/WebKit/ 
PyDocURLProtocol

> I've gathered that the application delegate gets called when the user
> wants to open a file. Is a subclass of NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass
> an application delegate?

The application delegate is the object wired up to the delegate of  
the NSApplication instance.. it has nothing to do with what the  
superclass is.  NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass reads the nib file to  
determine what the superclass is.

-bob


From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sat Aug  6 06:14:11 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:14:11 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <200508052233.40218.jeff@taupro.com>
Message-ID: <OFC19A0260.31BBFF43-ON86257055.0016402E-86257055.00174601@omsdal.com>

Jeff Rush <jeff at taupro.com> wrote on 08/05/2005 10:33:39 PM:

> If you have only the new stuff that *requires* COM, I don't know that 
you can 
> do COM programming on the Mac (not being a Mac developer).

Thanks, Jeff.

I don't think COM will be an option. Bob Ippolito suggests
it should be do-able via Mac APIs. We will probably need a
Mac programmer with experience in this area. However, it's a
higher priority to do this on the Windows side, so we'll do
that first and in doing so get a better understanding of how
it's supposed to work. Also, if push comes to shove we could
fall back on handling the AD authentication at the server
level, but that is far less secure (this won't go outside
our internal network, so it's not totally unthinkable).

Here is Bob Ippolito's posting from the MacPython mailing list:

> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since 
> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a non- 
> standard Kerberos implementation.  You can crib some code from 
> LDAPUserFolder for the authentication bits.  I'm not sure exactly 
> what "obtaining credentials" involves, but I'm guessing that's just a 
> Kerberos ticket?  Mac OS X should have all the APIs to do it, since 
> it has good Kerberos support which supposedly integrates well with 
> Active Directory... you'll probably have to a C extension to get at 
> that, but that should be no big deal.
> 
> Good luck, I don't have any Windows Server machines around, and am 
> not really interested in dealing with Windows... but hopefully 
> somebody else can help you :)



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From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sat Aug  6 06:31:57 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 23:31:57 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <OFED0A332B.27057C04-ON86257055.00174C49-86257055.0018E67C@omsdal.com>

Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote on 08/05/2005 09:05:23 PM:

> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since 
> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a non- 
> standard Kerberos implementation.  You can crib some code from 
> LDAPUserFolder for the authentication bits.  I'm not sure exactly 
> what "obtaining credentials" involves, but I'm guessing that's just a 
> Kerberos ticket?  Mac OS X should have all the APIs to do it, since 
> it has good Kerberos support which supposedly integrates well with 
> Active Directory... you'll probably have to a C extension to get at 
> that, but that should be no big deal.
> 
> Good luck, I don't have any Windows Server machines around, and am 
> not really interested in dealing with Windows... but hopefully 
> somebody else can help you :)

Thanks, Bob. By saying "obtain credentials" I meant to stay generic in
describing goals since I don't know whether the options presented
to us would involve Kerberos or NTLM, though we definitely prefer
Kerberos.

I guess there's no need to restrict this query to Python mailing
lists, since I guess we could wrap a C solution. I guess I need
to go look at some Mac developer mailing lists.

Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From dangoor at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 16:16:45 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:16:45 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd0508060716233a8743@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/5/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> You may have to do that with a get URL apple event handler, see here:
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/
> Scriptability/Concepts/ScriptabilityOverview.html
> (you shouldn't need any Carbon)

I had actually been to that page, but I wasn't completely sure that
was the right place. Having some confirmation is good... I'll head
down that path.

> Speaking of which, it might be cool if someone submitted a patch to
> the PyDocURLProtocol example to make it handle the "pydoc" URL scheme
> from other applications, rather than just its own WebKit view.
> https://svn.red-bean.com/pyobjc/trunk/pyobjc/Examples/WebKit/
> PyDocURLProtocol

Seems like that'll be easy once I figure out how to do this in my app.

> > I've gathered that the application delegate gets called when the user
> > wants to open a file. Is a subclass of NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass
> > an application delegate?
> 
> The application delegate is the object wired up to the delegate of
> the NSApplication instance.. it has nothing to do with what the
> superclass is.  NibClassBuilder.AutoBaseClass reads the nib file to
> determine what the superclass is.

I was confused about how this wiring was done, until I loaded one of
the example MainMenu.nib files in IB and noticed the delegate outlet.
D'oh. That's too easy.

Kevin

From dangoor at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 19:46:31 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:46:31 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/5/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> You may have to do that with a get URL apple event handler, see here:
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/
> Scriptability/Concepts/ScriptabilityOverview.html
> (you shouldn't need any Carbon)

Before I go chasing around the Apple docs a bit more to see if I'm
registering the *correct* event handler, can you confirm if I'm doing
the right thing here?

The first questionable thing is that the constant for the type of
event is defined in the Apple Events docs (and in the AppleEvents
python module) as 'gurl'. However, the Apple Event Manager method call
is asking for an unsigned long. Should I convert "gurl" to
1735750252L?

Here's the objC example from Apple's doc:
[appleEventManager setEventHandler:self
andSelector:@selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:)
forEventClass:kAEInternetSuite andEventID:kAEISGetURL];

Here's my translation to Python:
            sel = objc.selector(MacController.handleGetURLEvent_withReplyEvent_,
                signature="vO:O:")
            aem.setEventHandler_andSelector_forEventClass_andEventID_(self, 
                sel, 
                1735750252L, 1735750252L)

This is in my application delegate's applicationWillFinishLaunching_
method, which is where Apple recommended doing this. I can see that
this is getting called, but my handler itself doesn't get called.

I'm testing by just doing "open <URL with my protocol>" at the
commandline, which does bring my app to the front but does not call my
handler method. Assuming all of the above is kosher, I'll do some more
digging around to make sure that this is, in fact, the specific
handler I want.

Thanks for your help so far!
Kevin

From dangoor at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 19:50:51 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 13:50:51 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
	<3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd05080610501a21110@mail.gmail.com>

Less than 5 minutes ago, I said:
> I'm testing by just doing "open <URL with my protocol>" at the
> commandline, which does bring my app to the front but does not call my
> handler method. Assuming all of the above is kosher, I'll do some more
> digging around to make sure that this is, in fact, the specific
> handler I want.

Something must not be wrong with what I'm doing there... the
LaunchServices docs specifically states that opening with a URL sends
the app a 'gurl' event, unless the URL scheme is file.

Kevin

From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sat Aug  6 22:38:41 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 15:38:41 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] python-ldap install difficulties on Mac OS 10.4.2
Message-ID: <OF44F4E5DF.768C4CE9-ON86257055.006E01A6-86257055.00716816@omsdal.com>

(this is posted to both the Python-ldap-dev list and the PythonMac list)

I'm running into problems getting Python ldap built and installed
on Mac OS 10.4.2. The postings on this subject in the Python-ldap list
were from people who found that they had to build and install OpenLDAP
from scratch, and were not able to make use of the builtin OpenLDAP
as was possible under Tiger.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=7610322&forum_id=4346

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=7610322&forum_id=4346

I spent hours working on this with no success. I got stuck at the final 
"make"
stage, working from instructions that came with the BerkeleyDB and 
OpenLDAP
source directories, along with some help from:

http://blogs.nuxeo.com/sections/blogs/florent_guillaume/

This seemed like a lot of ass-ache to get a Python module installed. So I
decided to take a look at seeing if I could get away with installing using
10.4.2's built-in Python 2.3.5 and the built-in OpenLDAP. After all,
there has been a new release of OpenLDAP since those postings.

Well, I got stuck on the basic problem of locating Apple's include and 
library
directories for OpenLDAP and SASL, which are needed for the setup.cfg.

Doing a locate on openldap and sasl turned up lots of directories, but
none of them really fit the expected pattern in the setup.cfg:

library_dirs = /usr/local/openldap-REL_ENG_2_1/lib 
/usr/local/cyrus-sasl/lib
include_dirs = /usr/local/openldap-REL_ENG_2_1/include 
/usr/local/cyrus-sasl/include

Any help on this would be much appreciated. I'm not sure what I could
have read to let me know how to locate those directories...I dug around
in Apple's developer docs but found nothing that jumped out at me.

Thanks!

Btw, I found an easy to install binary of Python-ldap for Windows XP, but 
it contained
no SASL support :-(. I'm guessing SASL is needed for Active Directory
authentication, though I don't know that for sure. 


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Sun Aug  7 11:58:42 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 11:58:42 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
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	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
	<3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3DBCD05-CE48-41F7-9133-62FB9A1D0D9C@mac.com>


On 6-aug-2005, at 19:46, Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> On 8/5/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
>> You may have to do that with a get URL apple event handler, see here:
>> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/
>> Scriptability/Concepts/ScriptabilityOverview.html
>> (you shouldn't need any Carbon)
>>
>
> Before I go chasing around the Apple docs a bit more to see if I'm
> registering the *correct* event handler, can you confirm if I'm doing
> the right thing here?
>
> The first questionable thing is that the constant for the type of
> event is defined in the Apple Events docs (and in the AppleEvents
> python module) as 'gurl'. However, the Apple Event Manager method call
> is asking for an unsigned long. Should I convert "gurl" to
> 1735750252L?

The 'gurl' value is an long integer value, you should indeed convert  
it to 1735750252L. The Carbon modules in MacPython know about 4  
character codes (such as 'gurl') and accept both integers in 4-byte  
strings in APIs that use 4 character codes. PyObjC doesn't implement  
this convienence conversion, basically because it doesn't know which  
APIs might accept 4 character codes.

I'd do the conversion using struct.unpack: gurl_code = struct.unpack 
('l', 'gurl')[0]

>
> Here's the objC example from Apple's doc:
> [appleEventManager setEventHandler:self
> andSelector:@selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:)
> forEventClass:kAEInternetSuite andEventID:kAEISGetURL];
>
> Here's my translation to Python:
>             sel = objc.selector 
> (MacController.handleGetURLEvent_withReplyEvent_,
>                 signature="vO:O:")
>              
> aem.setEventHandler_andSelector_forEventClass_andEventID_(self,
>                 sel,
>                 1735750252L, 1735750252L)


That's very wrong. You shouldn't call objc.selector unless you're  
defining a new method (in a class definition on the argument for  
objc.classAddMethods). The call to objc.selector should be in the  
class definition of MacController.

I don't think this will help, if the method really has an object and  
selector argument you're program would have crashed when aem tried to  
call your method. A quick glance at the AppleEventManager docs tells  
my that the call to objc.selector is not needed, the signature  
argument is just plain wrong (you signature is for a method that  
returns void and has two arguments: and object and a SEL (method name)).

One other thing: according to LaunchServicesConcepts.pdf (link below)  
the even code is 'GURL' (upper-case), which is different from 'gurl'.


http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/ 
LaunchServicesConcepts/LaunchServicesConcepts.pdf

>
> This is in my application delegate's applicationWillFinishLaunching_
> method, which is where Apple recommended doing this. I can see that
> this is getting called, but my handler itself doesn't get called.
>
> I'm testing by just doing "open <URL with my protocol>" at the
> commandline, which does bring my app to the front but does not call my
> handler method. Assuming all of the above is kosher, I'll do some more
> digging around to make sure that this is, in fact, the specific
> handler I want.

Could you post your code? I've tried to avoid AppleScript related  
code upto know and can't even manage to bring my application to the  
front :-)


>
> Thanks for your help so far!
> Kevin
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Sun Aug  7 17:46:23 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 17:46:23 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <F3DBCD05-CE48-41F7-9133-62FB9A1D0D9C@mac.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
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On 7-aug-2005, at 11:58, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> Could you post your code? I've tried to avoid AppleScript related  
> code upto know and can't even manage to bring my application to the  
> front :-)

Never mind, that was a typo in my code. Somehow the system didn't  
understand what an CFBunldeURLScheme is :-)

The trunk of pyobjc now contains a version of the PyDocURLProtocol  
applet that can will handle pydoc:-urls in other programs. That is,  
after running the applet once you can do this from the shell:

    $ open pydoc:///os.open

This will open the pydoc for os.open in the applet. I guess a <a  
href="pydoc:///os.open"> in a HTML file will also work.

The important issue that kept me guessing for a while is that the  
AppleEvent is GURL/GURL, while gurl/gurl is used in  
Carbon.AppleEvents (and the system headers, this is not really a bug  
in MacPython).

Ronald

From dangoor at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 19:43:40 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:43:40 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <6B0C9676-5535-4DEC-B9B0-389B22EC5B6B@mac.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
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>     $ open pydoc:///os.open
> 
> This will open the pydoc for os.open in the applet. I guess a <a
> href="pydoc:///os.open"> in a HTML file will also work.

Wow. That should be a great example for me! Thanks!

> 
> The important issue that kept me guessing for a while is that the
> AppleEvent is GURL/GURL, while gurl/gurl is used in
> Carbon.AppleEvents (and the system headers, this is not really a bug
> in MacPython).

That's very odd. I did notice that the LaunchServices doc said GURL,
but I had been assuming that the Apple Events documentation (which
says gurl) was correct.

Thanks again. It's always good to have confirmation about exactly
where I'm going wrong :)

Kevin

From dangoor at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 22:01:17 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 16:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <F3DBCD05-CE48-41F7-9133-62FB9A1D0D9C@mac.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
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	<F3DBCD05-CE48-41F7-9133-62FB9A1D0D9C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd05080713015dc96c60@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/7/05, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren at mac.com> wrote:
> > Here's the objC example from Apple's doc:
> > [appleEventManager setEventHandler:self
> > andSelector:@selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:)
> > forEventClass:kAEInternetSuite andEventID:kAEISGetURL];
> >
> > Here's my translation to Python:
> >             sel = objc.selector
> > (MacController.handleGetURLEvent_withReplyEvent_,
> >                 signature="vO:O:")
> >
> > aem.setEventHandler_andSelector_forEventClass_andEventID_(self,
> >                 sel,
> >                 1735750252L, 1735750252L)
> 
> 
> That's very wrong. You shouldn't call objc.selector unless you're
> defining a new method (in a class definition on the argument for
> objc.classAddMethods). The call to objc.selector should be in the
> class definition of MacController.

I was confused by @selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:) and the
error message I got when I tried my first intuition. My first attempt
was to just pass my Python method, but that complained saying that SEL
was expected instead of an instance method.

I really don't think I would have guessed to pass a string with the
selector name. That and the use of GURL instead of gurl was all it
took to get my program called at the right time.

The PyObjC examples are hugely useful, so this is a great addition to
the pydoc example.

Kevin

From bob at redivi.com  Mon Aug  8 00:30:38 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 12:30:38 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <3f085ecd05080713015dc96c60@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f085ecd05080519517d4c1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
	<3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>
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On Aug 7, 2005, at 10:01 AM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> On 8/7/05, Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren at mac.com> wrote:
>
>>> Here's the objC example from Apple's doc:
>>> [appleEventManager setEventHandler:self
>>> andSelector:@selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:)
>>> forEventClass:kAEInternetSuite andEventID:kAEISGetURL];
>>>
>>> Here's my translation to Python:
>>>             sel = objc.selector
>>> (MacController.handleGetURLEvent_withReplyEvent_,
>>>                 signature="vO:O:")
>>>
>>> aem.setEventHandler_andSelector_forEventClass_andEventID_(self,
>>>                 sel,
>>>                 1735750252L, 1735750252L)
>>>
>>
>>
>> That's very wrong. You shouldn't call objc.selector unless you're
>> defining a new method (in a class definition on the argument for
>> objc.classAddMethods). The call to objc.selector should be in the
>> class definition of MacController.
>>
>
> I was confused by @selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:) and the
> error message I got when I tried my first intuition. My first attempt
> was to just pass my Python method, but that complained saying that SEL
> was expected instead of an instance method.

That should've worked.

> I really don't think I would have guessed to pass a string with the
> selector name. That and the use of GURL instead of gurl was all it
> took to get my program called at the right time.

Selectors themselves are just interned char*

-bob



From dangoor at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 04:31:41 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 22:31:41 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <A6DE57DA-58ED-415D-BB63-1CD05EA3E9E1@redivi.com>
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	<B0946D1E-7D9A-47E7-91A2-BD40AE8A50B4@redivi.com>
	<3f085ecd0508061046204c0799@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3DBCD05-CE48-41F7-9133-62FB9A1D0D9C@mac.com>
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	<A6DE57DA-58ED-415D-BB63-1CD05EA3E9E1@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd050807193142c586fe@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/7/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> > I was confused by @selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:) and the
> > error message I got when I tried my first intuition. My first attempt
> > was to just pass my Python method, but that complained saying that SEL
> > was expected instead of an instance method.
> 
> That should've worked.
> 
> > I really don't think I would have guessed to pass a string with the
> > selector name. That and the use of GURL instead of gurl was all it
> > took to get my program called at the right time.
> 
> Selectors themselves are just interned char*

Ahh... That I wouldn't have guessed. That's good to know.

That might also explain the error I got about passing an instance
method when a SEL was expected. I seem to remember getting that error
while doing some exploration at the Python prompt. It's entirely
possible that the method I was passing at that time was not properly
named for a selector.

Kevin

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Mon Aug  8 12:40:46 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 12:40:46 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
In-Reply-To: <A6DE57DA-58ED-415D-BB63-1CD05EA3E9E1@redivi.com>
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On Monday, August 08, 2005, at 00:30AM, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:

>>
>> I was confused by @selector(handleGetURLEvent:withReplyEvent:) and the
>> error message I got when I tried my first intuition. My first attempt
>> was to just pass my Python method, but that complained saying that SEL
>> was expected instead of an instance method.
>
>That should've worked.

If it didn't work you're class is probably not a subclass from NSObject, I'd advise against doing that. It is possible to access methods in pure-python classes from Objective-C, but that code is not as well tested as accessing methods in subclasses from NSObject.


>
>> I really don't think I would have guessed to pass a string with the
>> selector name. That and the use of GURL instead of gurl was all it
>> took to get my program called at the right time.
>
>Selectors themselves are just interned char*

That depends on your point of view :-). The C type 'SEL' and the result of @selector is indeed an interned char*, I'd say a selector is the same as an instance method.

>
>-bob
>
>
>
>

From bob at redivi.com  Mon Aug  8 12:54:55 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 00:54:55 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] noob question: handling protocols and files
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On Aug 8, 2005, at 12:40 AM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:

>
> On Monday, August 08, 2005, at 00:30AM, Bob Ippolito  
> <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
>>> I really don't think I would have guessed to pass a string with the
>>> selector name. That and the use of GURL instead of gurl was all it
>>> took to get my program called at the right time.
>>>
>>
>> Selectors themselves are just interned char*
>>
>
> That depends on your point of view :-). The C type 'SEL' and the  
> result of @selector is indeed an interned char*, I'd say a selector  
> is the same as an instance method.

A selector is just a name, it's not an instance method until you ask  
an instance for its implementation of a selector :)

-bob


From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Tue Aug  9 17:46:11 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:46:11 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app Question...
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFC4@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Bob,

	I just upgraded my development machine to Tiger... And something
weird is happening...

	The application is working fine from the command line, using
pythonw....  But if I py2app it....

	I am using the Stock v2.3.5 of Python, and have installed
TigerFix...

---mac_build.py----
from distutils.core import setup
import py2app

py2app_options = { 'argv_emulation':True,
                    'optimize':2,
                    'compressed':1}

data_files = [ ("", ["AUDIT.INI",
                     "AUDIT_GUI.RSRC.PY",
                     "sample_audit.ini",
                     "clean_desk.rpt",
                     "software.rpt"]) 
             ]

setup ( app=['audit_gui.py'],
        options={"py2app": dict(py2app_options)},
        data_files= data_files )
-----------------

I get the following console exception...

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
(Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 42, in ?
    _run('audit_gui.py')
  File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
(Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 39, in
_run
    execfile(path, globals(), globals())
  File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
(Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/audit_gui.py", line 81, in ?
    from    PythonCard             import model
  File "PythonCard/model.pyo", line 24, in ?
ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx
2005-08-09 11:41:19.910 audit_gui[743] audit_gui Error
2005-08-09 11:41:19.910 audit_gui[743] An unexpected error has occurred
during execution of the main script

ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx

See the Console for a detailed traceback.

wxPython appears to be working fine....  And so is pythoncard....  At
least from the command line....  So I am not positive where to start
looking....

Any suggestions?

	- Ben

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Ippolito [mailto:bob at redivi.com] 
> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 9:42 AM
> To: Schollnick, Benjamin
> Cc: pythonmac-sig at python.org
> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app Question...
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:29 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:
> 
> > Folks,
> >
> > I just started using py2app....  So this is probably due to 
> operator 
> > error... But I'm quite surprised that the actual application's .py 
> > file is
> > stored
> > in the
> > py2app bundle.  I expected the PYC file to be used.
> >
> > While it's not a "huge" concern, I don't like the idea of anyone
> > with a
> > text
> > editor being able to see my source code for the main unit....
> >
> > Is there someway to force it to use a PYC instead?
> 
> Use a script that imports your module, instead of using your module  
> directly.
> 
> -bob
> 
> 

From robert at venetwork.net  Tue Aug  9 20:40:46 2005
From: robert at venetwork.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_Valsj=F6?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 20:40:46 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
Message-ID: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>

Hi all!

This is my first mail to this mailing list. I'm just starting with  
Python. I've tried some PHP, Java, C and Pascal before, and of course  
Prograph from Pictorius ;-)

OK I'm a longtime Mac user and I really want to develop Python on  
this platform (Mac OS X).

I've read many mails on the most popular python mailling lists and I  
can't really decide which IDE and also which python distribution I  
should choose.

E.g I've seen that Jack Jansen official python for Mac webpages  
dosen't seem to be updated. Is that site "dead"?

Bob's pages seems more updated. Is this the new "official" python for  
Mac (Framework based)?

Even Activestate has now a distribution for Macs.

I've also some questions about IDE's for Mac (sorry for this, I know  
this have been discussed before but that is your latest opinions).

OK I should tell you that today I'm using Xcode, emacs and vi, but I  
would like to have a "real" IDE.

I've looked at WingIDE, IDLE, Komodo (the new beta), SPE, Eric3.

Komodo looks very interesting (someone testing this?). WingIDE  
website is not updated (dead?).

SPE looks interesting, but what I can see is it just one person  
developing this. Maybe I'm wrong.

Anyway, what do you suggest? Is python a good choice for development  
on Macs. I hope this is the case.

The last question. I been following the mailing list python- 
list at python.org and there been some discussion about python's future.  
Some is suggesting other languages than python, e.g Ruby, PHP, Haskell.

What is your opinion about python's future in general term not just  
for Macs?

Thanx! :-)

/rob

Robert Valsj?

"Of course there are intelligent beings in the Universe,
otherwise they would have come here a long time ago"  ;-)

From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug  9 20:44:57 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:44:57 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app Question...
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFC4@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFC4@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <236E5ECB-5125-49AA-98CA-53B02B1E62A0@redivi.com>


On Aug 9, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

> Bob,
>
>     I just upgraded my development machine to Tiger... And something
> weird is happening...
>
>     The application is working fine from the command line, using
> pythonw....  But if I py2app it....
>
>     I am using the Stock v2.3.5 of Python, and have installed
> TigerFix...
>
> ---mac_build.py----
> from distutils.core import setup
> import py2app
>
> py2app_options = { 'argv_emulation':True,
>                     'optimize':2,
>                     'compressed':1}
>
> data_files = [ ("", ["AUDIT.INI",
>                      "AUDIT_GUI.RSRC.PY",
>                      "sample_audit.ini",
>                      "clean_desk.rpt",
>                      "software.rpt"])
>              ]
>
> setup ( app=['audit_gui.py'],
>         options={"py2app": dict(py2app_options)},
>         data_files= data_files )
> -----------------
>
> I get the following console exception...
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
> (Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 42,  
> in ?
>     _run('audit_gui.py')
>   File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
> (Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot__.py", line 39, in
> _run
>     execfile(path, globals(), globals())
>   File "/Users/benjamin/Desktop/Auditor Source
> (Mac)/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/audit_gui.py", line 81,  
> in ?
>     from    PythonCard             import model
>   File "PythonCard/model.pyo", line 24, in ?
> ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx
> 2005-08-09 11:41:19.910 audit_gui[743] audit_gui Error
> 2005-08-09 11:41:19.910 audit_gui[743] An unexpected error has  
> occurred
> during execution of the main script
>
> ImportError: No module named wxPython.wx
>
> See the Console for a detailed traceback.
>
> wxPython appears to be working fine....  And so is pythoncard....  At
> least from the command line....  So I am not positive where to start
> looking....
>
> Any suggestions?

Add 'site_packages': True to your options and see if that helps.   
You're trying to use modules from site-packages (wxPython), which  
py2app does not do by default on Tiger because it only knows how to  
include modules from site-packages, and in Tiger the default wxPython  
is in a System directory so there is another stronger rule that  
excludes them.

Or, upgrade to 2.4.1.

-bob


From sheila at thinkspot.net  Tue Aug  9 20:48:48 2005
From: sheila at thinkspot.net (Sheila King)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
Message-ID: <A9FD9EDC9EC0E7133CA7F730@[192.168.1.102]>

--On Tuesday, August 9, 2005 8:40 PM +0200 Robert Valsj? 
<robert at venetwork.net> wrote:

> I've looked at WingIDE, IDLE, Komodo (the new beta), SPE, Eric3.
>
> Komodo looks very interesting (someone testing this?). WingIDE
> website is not updated (dead?).

I'm not sure what makes you think the WingIDE web site is not updated or 
dead?

Their mailing list is active. IMO the web site does not appear dead.

I've been trialing wingIDE recently too. The support is responsive and 
prompt.

Not dead IMO.

-- 
Sheila King
sheila at thinkspot.net
http://www.thinkspot.net/sheila/


From sheila at thinkspot.net  Tue Aug  9 20:54:02 2005
From: sheila at thinkspot.net (Sheila King)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 11:54:02 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
Message-ID: <1D37B1E537B0AC330CCB604D@[192.168.1.102]>

--On Tuesday, August 9, 2005 8:40 PM +0200 Robert Valsj? 
<robert at venetwork.net> wrote:

> Bob's pages seems more updated. Is this the new "official" python for
> Mac (Framework based)?

Where is "Bob's pages" ? Are these the ones at undefined.org?

I've installed Bob's version of Python 2.4.1 recently under Tiger and found 
it to go much more smoothly for me than anything I tried to do with the 
"official" or for that matter "Bob's" python under Panther. I could not get 
the requisite Tcl-aqua libraries installed properly under Panther (not that 
I tried very hard when it didn't work out of the box).

Personally, as someone new to Macs (long time Python user ... well, 4+ 
years, anyhow) coming from Windows/Linux, I found it very difficult to get 
oriented as to what I should try to install on my Mac for using up-to-date 
Python. (Clearly, this is reflected in the originating email for this 
thread, as well as a recent post at discussions.apple.com in the Developer 
forum under the title "Python".)

Newcomers to Mac have a very difficult time at present deciding what Python 
to install and I think it is a real shame that the MacPython site, 
officially linked from Python.org, does not clearly and plainly address 
this issue.

I've lurked on this list for a few months now, and it took me a long time 
to figure out where and how to get "Bob's" python. It shouldn't be that 
hard. (Yes, I know I could have just asked...but how many people do you 
want posting to this list asking that question all the time? It should be 
easy to figure out from the web pages...)

Sorry for the Tuesday morning rant. Off to get more coffee...

-- 
Sheila King
sheila at thinkspot.net
http://www.thinkspot.net/sheila/


From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug  9 20:54:33 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:54:33 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
Message-ID: <819A2FAB-2437-44E3-9144-76963F40325F@redivi.com>

On Aug 9, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Robert Valsj? wrote:

> OK I'm a longtime Mac user and I really want to develop Python on
> this platform (Mac OS X).
>
> I've read many mails on the most popular python mailling lists and I
> can't really decide which IDE and also which python distribution I
> should choose.
>
> E.g I've seen that Jack Jansen official python for Mac webpages
> dosen't seem to be updated. Is that site "dead"?

It's not up to date, I'm not sure if it's going to stay that way  
forever or not.

> Bob's pages seems more updated. Is this the new "official" python for
> Mac (Framework based)?

The framework-based Python on undefined.org is the same one you can  
download from python.org.

> Even Activestate has now a distribution for Macs.

I'd use either my release, or ActiveState's.  ActiveState's release  
is more supported than mine is, because it's part of somebody's job  
over there to care (and my job is better served if I don't ;), so  
theirs might be a pretty good option right now.

-bob



From robert at venetwork.net  Tue Aug  9 21:11:17 2005
From: robert at venetwork.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Robert_Valsj=F6?=)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:11:17 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <1D37B1E537B0AC330CCB604D@[192.168.1.102]>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
	<1D37B1E537B0AC330CCB604D@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <49C02583-AE52-49CF-81D1-5596308F683E@venetwork.net>


On 9 aug 2005, at 20.54, Sheila King wrote:

> --On Tuesday, August 9, 2005 8:40 PM +0200 Robert Valsj?
> <robert at venetwork.net> wrote:
>
>
>> Bob's pages seems more updated. Is this the new "official" python for
>> Mac (Framework based)?
>>
>
> Where is "Bob's pages" ? Are these the ones at undefined.org?
>

Yes that's the one.

> I've installed Bob's version of Python 2.4.1 recently under Tiger  
> and found
> it to go much more smoothly for me than anything I tried to do with  
> the
> "official" or for that matter "Bob's" python under Panther.

I agree!

> I could not get
> the requisite Tcl-aqua libraries installed properly under Panther  
> (not that
> I tried very hard when it didn't work out of the box).

> Personally, as someone new to Macs (long time Python user ... well, 4+
> years, anyhow) coming from Windows/Linux, I found it very difficult  
> to get
> oriented as to what I should try to install on my Mac for using up- 
> to-date
> Python. (Clearly, this is reflected in the originating email for this
> thread, as well as a recent post at discussions.apple.com in the  
> Developer
> forum under the title "Python".)
>

Hm so it wasn't me beeing stupid then he he...!? :-)


> Newcomers to Mac have a very difficult time at present deciding  
> what Python
> to install and I think it is a real shame that the MacPython site,
> officially linked from Python.org, does not clearly and plainly  
> address
> this issue.
>

Is Jack on this list? Can we/I help updating the site or should  
python.org link directly to Bob's site?


> I've lurked on this list for a few months now, and it took me a  
> long time
> to figure out where and how to get "Bob's" python. It shouldn't be  
> that
> hard. (Yes, I know I could have just asked...but how many people do  
> you
> want posting to this list asking that question all the time? It  
> should be
> easy to figure out from the web pages...)
> Sorry for the Tuesday morning rant. Off to get more coffee...
>

OK I get my evening coffee now.

/rob


> -- 
> Sheila King
> sheila at thinkspot.net
> http://www.thinkspot.net/sheila/
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


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Phone: +46 70 861 87 82
www.venetwork.net

"Of course there are intelligent beings in the Universe,
otherwise they would have come here a long time ago"  ;-)



From rsfinn at gmail.com  Tue Aug  9 21:15:35 2005
From: rsfinn at gmail.com (Russell Finn)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <819A2FAB-2437-44E3-9144-76963F40325F@redivi.com>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
	<819A2FAB-2437-44E3-9144-76963F40325F@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <a4721475050809121520eec8b1@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/9/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> The framework-based Python on undefined.org is the same one you can
> download from python.org.

Perhaps, but this is not obvious.  The main download page
<http://python.org/download/> says:  "_Python 2.3 OS X 10.2 installer_
(requires admin privileges -- see _MacPython download page_ for
details). Note that as of the 2.4 Python release, the Mac OS X
installer is still at version 2.3."  The first phrase does link to the
2.3 installer as suggested.

If you click through to the 2.4.1-specific page, however, there is an
up-to-date Mac OS X installer.

Perhaps someone should correct the main download page?

-- Russell Finn

From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug  9 21:31:09 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 09:31:09 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [q] Help with choosing "right" python port
In-Reply-To: <a4721475050809121520eec8b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49221A74-A449-433D-83E7-1859A0920DA6@venetwork.net>
	<819A2FAB-2437-44E3-9144-76963F40325F@redivi.com>
	<a4721475050809121520eec8b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A392EB40-421A-4E1E-9BBA-218952386492@redivi.com>

On Aug 9, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Russell Finn wrote:

> On 8/9/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
>> The framework-based Python on undefined.org is the same one you can
>> download from python.org.
>>
>
> Perhaps, but this is not obvious.  The main download page
> <http://python.org/download/> says:  "_Python 2.3 OS X 10.2 installer_
> (requires admin privileges -- see _MacPython download page_ for
> details). Note that as of the 2.4 Python release, the Mac OS X
> installer is still at version 2.3."  The first phrase does link to the
> 2.3 installer as suggested.
>
> If you click through to the 2.4.1-specific page, however, there is an
> up-to-date Mac OS X installer.
>
> Perhaps someone should correct the main download page?

If someone files a bug at sourceforge, this will probably get taken  
care of pretty quickly

-bob


From gandreas at delver.com  Mon Aug  8 13:25:14 2005
From: gandreas at delver.com (Glenn Andreas)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:25:14 -0000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG]  ANN: PyOXIDE 0.6.3 - Cocoa based Python IDE
Message-ID: <p06002000bd281fb583a3@[10.0.0.65]>

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From peter at bersch.de  Tue Aug  9 22:51:34 2005
From: peter at bersch.de (Peter Bersch)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2005 22:51:34 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Configuring Python for Tkinter. Please help me.
Message-ID: <42F91756.3080504@bersch.de>

Dear Jack Jansen,
I am a teacher, but with Python a Newbie. On the CD (for Windows)
encluded in the book "Python f?r Kids" by Gregor Lingl I found the class
"turtle".
I would like to use the "turtle.py" in Python on my iMac with Mac OSX.
Without success, neither with PythonIDE(Standard) nor with PythonLauncher.

When importing Tkinter there is a request for _tkinter, but there is noc 
such file.

There seems to be some configuration error in my Mac-Python.
Could you please help me.
Till last year I have used Oberon to teach programming and would like to
change over to Python.

Thanks for your help

Yours sincerely

Peter Bersch

Bonn, Germany








From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 10 00:29:11 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 12:29:11 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Configuring Python for Tkinter. Please help me.
In-Reply-To: <42F91756.3080504@bersch.de>
References: <42F91756.3080504@bersch.de>
Message-ID: <C61C34DD-6CF0-41F6-8428-B10A386E2307@redivi.com>

On Aug 9, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Peter Bersch wrote:

> I am a teacher, but with Python a Newbie. On the CD (for Windows)
> encluded in the book "Python f?r Kids" by Gregor Lingl I found the  
> class
> "turtle".
> I would like to use the "turtle.py" in Python on my iMac with Mac OSX.
> Without success, neither with PythonIDE(Standard) nor with  
> PythonLauncher.
>
> When importing Tkinter there is a request for _tkinter, but there  
> is noc
> such file.
>
> There seems to be some configuration error in my Mac-Python.
> Could you please help me.
> Till last year I have used Oberon to teach programming and would  
> like to
> change over to Python.

On Mac OS X 10.4, this should work out of the box.  Otherwise, you  
need to install the _tkinter extension for your Python (you can  
download one from <http://pythonmac.org/packages/>), and you must  
also install TclTkAqua <http://tcltkaqua.sourceforge.net/>.

-bob


From krisk at walford.asn.au  Wed Aug 10 03:17:20 2005
From: krisk at walford.asn.au (Kris Kopicki)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:47:20 +0930
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Select module in 10.4
Message-ID: <60485915-B780-4A8F-BEC0-0E0FC18DBC61@walford.asn.au>

Hi,

I've just installed a package that requires python on 10.4.2 Server  
and notice that is crashes on calling select.poll().

I ran this on a 10.3 Server
 >>> import select
 >>> dir(select)
['POLLERR', 'POLLHUP', 'POLLIN', 'POLLNVAL', 'POLLOUT', 'POLLPRI',  
'__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'error', 'poll', 'select']

and this on the 10.4.2 Server
 >>> import select
 >>> dir(select)
['__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'error', 'select']

Is the python install on 10.4 broken? Or more to the point, anyone  
know of a way around this?

Cheers,

Kris


--------------------------------------
Kris Kopicki
Systems Administrator
Walford Anglican School for Girls Inc.
316 Unley Road, Hyde Park
SA 5061 Australia

Web:    http://www.walford.asn.au
Phone:    +61-8-82726555
Fax:        +61-8-82720313
Mobile:    +61407790415


From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 10 03:30:34 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 15:30:34 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Select module in 10.4
In-Reply-To: <60485915-B780-4A8F-BEC0-0E0FC18DBC61@walford.asn.au>
References: <60485915-B780-4A8F-BEC0-0E0FC18DBC61@walford.asn.au>
Message-ID: <A08438E3-D97C-45F8-AF7F-87FF675BB1E0@redivi.com>


On Aug 9, 2005, at 3:17 PM, Kris Kopicki wrote:

> I've just installed a package that requires python on 10.4.2 Server
> and notice that is crashes on calling select.poll().
>
> I ran this on a 10.3 Server
>
>>>> import select
>>>> dir(select)
>>>>
> ['POLLERR', 'POLLHUP', 'POLLIN', 'POLLNVAL', 'POLLOUT', 'POLLPRI',
> '__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'error', 'poll', 'select']
>
> and this on the 10.4.2 Server
>
>>>> import select
>>>> dir(select)
>>>>
> ['__doc__', '__file__', '__name__', 'error', 'select']
>
> Is the python install on 10.4 broken? Or more to the point, anyone
> know of a way around this?

IIRC, poll is broken in Mac OS X and newer versions of Python ignore  
the implementation if it doesn't work right.  It's doing you a favor.

Whatever package you're trying to use should fall back to select if  
poll isn't available, so it's the package that is broken (or rather,  
not cross-platform).

-bob


From pythondeveloper at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 18:52:21 2005
From: pythondeveloper at gmail.com (Scott Kaplan)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 12:52:21 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
Message-ID: <86afeadf050810095249a6d3b@mail.gmail.com>

Being new to Python, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good IDE
that would let me develop Python and add extensions in C/C++, with the
capability of debugging those extensions.

I have a Mac XServe running version 10.2.X

It looks like the standard download comes with PyObjC, however I want
to extend Python to handle my C/C++ extensions not the other way
around + I don't want to have to learn any ObjectiveC / ObjC syntax.

Thanks,

From krisk at walford.asn.au  Thu Aug 11 00:58:18 2005
From: krisk at walford.asn.au (Kris Kopicki)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:28:18 +0930
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
In-Reply-To: <86afeadf050810095249a6d3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86afeadf050810095249a6d3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3C3738B-3B81-4FE9-90EA-FFC286D384EF@walford.asn.au>

While not quite an IDE, I use jEdit (www.jedit.org). This editor has  
almost every feature you could want, and editing files remotely over  
ssh is very useful for servers.

Kris


On 11/08/2005, at 2:22 AM, Scott Kaplan wrote:

> Being new to Python, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good IDE
> that would let me develop Python and add extensions in C/C++, with the
> capability of debugging those extensions.
>
> I have a Mac XServe running version 10.2.X
>
> It looks like the standard download comes with PyObjC, however I want
> to extend Python to handle my C/C++ extensions not the other way
> around + I don't want to have to learn any ObjectiveC / ObjC syntax.
>
> Thanks,
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>
>


--------------------------------------
Kris Kopicki
Systems Administrator
Walford Anglican School for Girls Inc.
316 Unley Road, Hyde Park
SA 5061 Australia

Web:    http://www.walford.asn.au
Phone:    +61-8-82726555
Fax:        +61-8-82720313
Mobile:    +61407790415


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 18:15:32 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:15:32 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1 framework
In-Reply-To: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
Message-ID: <D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>

Maybe I am being stupid but I tried to install scipy on 10.4.2 using  
Bob Ippolito's Framework python 2.4.1
and following the directions on the scipy website for os x http:// 
www.scipy.org/Members/fonnesbeck/osx_build.txt/

I first installed python 2.4.1 and several of the packages from Bob's  
site
http://undefined.org/python/#python
and from the python packages
http://pythonmac.org/packages/

I only installed packages that said they were compatible with Tiger  
and 2.4.1

I changed my PATH shell variable to
 >echo $PATH
/usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin

so that python from the command line  runs python 2.4.1

Installing
Numeric 23.7,
numarry 1.1.1
g77 3.4,
fftw 2.15,
f2py 2.45,
aquaterm 1.0b2
gnuplot 4.0

all went smoothly
The ploblem occurred with
scipy 0.3.2

The setup instructions say one might need to remove
if sys.platform == 'darwin':
   opt.append('cc_dynamic')

from the file gnufcompiler.py

prior to running python setup.py build

However that code snippet doesn't exist in the version of  
gnufcompiler.py in scipy complete 0.3.2.
The closest I could find was the following


if sys.platform=='darwin':
     if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
         # This is when Python is from Apple framework
         opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
     #else we are running in Fink python.
     opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
else:
     opt.append("-shared")

Which looked like to me that someone had already accounted for the  
framework build so I didn't make any changes
to setup.py


Unfortunately setup.py build exits with the following error

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
/usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
_PyArg_ParseTuple
_PyArg_ParseTupleAndKeywords
_PyCObject_AsVoidPtr
_PyCObject_Type
_PyComplex_Type
_PyDict_GetItemString
_PyDict_SetItemString
_PyErr_Clear
_PyErr_NewException
_PyErr_Occurred
_PyErr_Print
_PyErr_SetString
_PyImport_ImportModule
_PyInt_Type
_PyModule_GetDict
_PyNumber_Int
_PyObject_GetAttrString
_PySequence_Check
_PySequence_GetItem
_PyString_FromString
_PyString_Type
_PyType_IsSubtype
_PyType_Type
_Py_BuildValue
_Py_FatalError
_Py_InitModule4
__Py_NoneStruct
_fprintf$LDBLStub
_PyCObject_FromVoidPtr
_PyDict_DelItemString
_PyDict_New
_PyErr_Format
_PyExc_AttributeError
_PyExc_RuntimeError
_PyExc_TypeError
_PyObject_Free
_PyString_ConcatAndDel
_Py_FindMethod
__PyObject_New
_sprintf$LDBLStub
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
error: Command "/usr/local/bin/g77 -lcc_dynamic -bundle build/ 
temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/build/src/Lib/fftpack/ 
_fftpackmodule.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/ 
fftpack/src/zfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/ 
fftpack/src/drfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/ 
fftpack/src/zrfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/ 
fftpack/src/zfftnd.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/ 
build/src/fortranobject.o -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/gcc/ 
powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0/3.4.4 -Lbuild/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4 -ldfftpack -lrfftw -lfftw -lg2c -o build/ 
lib.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/scipy/fftpack/_fftpack.so"  
failed with exit status 1


Anyone have any idea what the problem is.




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From bob at redivi.com  Thu Aug 11 18:34:53 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 06:34:53 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>


On Aug 11, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Samuel M. Smith wrote:

> Maybe I am being stupid but I tried to install scipy on 10.4.2 using
> Bob Ippolito's Framework python 2.4.1
> and following the directions on the scipy website for os x http://
> www.scipy.org/Members/fonnesbeck/osx_build.txt/
>
> I first installed python 2.4.1 and several of the packages from Bob's
> site
> http://undefined.org/python/#python
> and from the python packages
> http://pythonmac.org/packages/
>
> I only installed packages that said they were compatible with Tiger
> and 2.4.1

Packages that say 10.4 are *ONLY* compatible with 10.4.  Packages  
that say 10.3 also work on 10.4.

> I changed my PATH shell variable to
>
>> echo $PATH
>>
> /usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
>
> so that python from the command line  runs python 2.4.1
>
> Installing
> Numeric 23.7,
> numarry 1.1.1
> g77 3.4,
> fftw 2.15,
> f2py 2.45,
> aquaterm 1.0b2
> gnuplot 4.0
>
> all went smoothly
> The ploblem occurred with
> scipy 0.3.2
>
> The setup instructions say one might need to remove
> if sys.platform == 'darwin':
>    opt.append('cc_dynamic')
>
> from the file gnufcompiler.py
>
> prior to running python setup.py build
>
> However that code snippet doesn't exist in the version of
> gnufcompiler.py in scipy complete 0.3.2.
> The closest I could find was the following
>
>
> if sys.platform=='darwin':
>      if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
>          # This is when Python is from Apple framework
>          opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
>      #else we are running in Fink python.
>      opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
> else:
>      opt.append("-shared")
>
> Which looked like to me that someone had already accounted for the
> framework build so I didn't make any changes
> to setup.py

Well, they tried to, but they did it wrong.  It should be using a  
more robust way for detecting a framework Python.  Something like  
'Python.framework' in os.path.realpath(sys.executable)

-bob


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug 11 19:26:08 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:26:08 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <42FB8A30.3040305@noaa.gov>



Bob Ippolito wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2005, at 6:15 AM, Samuel M. Smith wrote:
>>if sys.platform=='darwin':
>>     if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
>>         # This is when Python is from Apple framework
>>         opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
>>     #else we are running in Fink python.
>>     opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
>>else:
>>     opt.append("-shared")
>>
>>Which looked like to me that someone had already accounted for the
>>framework build so I didn't make any changes
>>to setup.py
> 
> Well, they tried to, but they did it wrong.  It should be using a  
> more robust way for detecting a framework Python.  Something like  
> 'Python.framework' in os.path.realpath(sys.executable)

Bob's exactly right (as usual) and I just feel the need to rant a little:

This is really lame coding, and it's a pattern I see a lot:

if ONE_WAY_TO_CHECK_FOR_ONE_THING:
	do this
else:
	we MUST be doing what I have on my system!

lame, and bug prone.

At the very least, they could have done something like:

if sys.platform=='darwin':
      if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
          # This is when Python is from Apple framework
          opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
     elif (Do something to actually check for fink):
          opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
     else:
	raise Exception("You seem to have a python I haven't been configured for")
else:
      opt.append("-shared")

Would that be so hard? If they had done that, at least you would have 
gotten a clear message about what was wrong.

Checking for fink could be a simple as:
     os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/sw'):

That's not all that robust either, but it's a start.

<\rant>

-Chris


-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
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From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 19:54:13 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M.Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:54:13 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <2EE64F9F-9DF7-4D2F-85A6-9A493B73F824@samuelsmith.org>

>>
>> I only installed packages that said they were compatible with Tiger
>> and 2.4.1
>>
>
> Packages that say 10.4 are *ONLY* compatible with 10.4.  Packages
> that say 10.3 also work on 10.4.

Sorry thats what I meant by my statement. I installed both 10.4 only  
and 10.4 compatible (which included
some 10.3 packages)
>
> Well, they tried to, but they did it wrong.  It should be using a
> more robust way for detecting a framework Python.  Something like
> 'Python.framework' in os.path.realpath(sys.executable)

So you think it may not be detecting it right?
The error is consistent with not expecting a framework python?
Anyway I changed gnufcompiler.py to

if sys.platform=='darwin':
     #if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
     if 'Python.framework' in os.path.realpath(sys.executable):
     # This is when Python is from Apple framework
         opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
     #else we are running in Fink python.
     opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
else:
     opt.append("-shared")


And now setup.py build still exits with an error in the same place  
but the error is different

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
/usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
_fprintf$LDBLStub
_sprintf$LDBLStub
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
error: Command "/usr/local/bin/g77 -Wl,-framework -Wl,Python - 
lcc_dynamic -bundle build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/build/ 
src/Lib/fftpack/_fftpackmodule.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/fftpack/src/zfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/fftpack/src/drfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/fftpack/src/zrfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/fftpack/src/zfftnd.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0- 
Power_Macintosh-2.4/build/src/fortranobject.o -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/ 
local/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0/3.4.4 -Lbuild/ 
temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4 -ldfftpack -lrfftw -lfftw -lg2c  
-o build/lib.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/scipy/fftpack/ 
_fftpack.so" failed with exit status 1


So am I converging?

Or should I give up and use DarwinPorts or Fink?


>
> -bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

**********************************************************************
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801-768-2768 voice
801-768-2769 fax
**********************************************************************
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From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 20:00:32 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:00:32 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <42FB8A30.3040305@noaa.gov>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
	<42FB8A30.3040305@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <65E269E2-1AF8-47AA-9210-06055344E062@samuelsmith.org>


>
> Bob's exactly right (as usual) and I just feel the need to rant a  
> little:
>
> This is really lame coding, and it's a pattern I see a lot:
>
> if ONE_WAY_TO_CHECK_FOR_ONE_THING:
>     do this
> else:
>     we MUST be doing what I have on my system!
>
> lame, and bug prone.
>
> At the very least, they could have done something like:
>
> if sys.platform=='darwin':
>       if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
>           # This is when Python is from Apple framework
>           opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
>      elif (Do something to actually check for fink):
>           opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
>      else:
>     raise Exception("You seem to have a python I haven't been  
> configured for")
> else:
>       opt.append("-shared")
>
> Would that be so hard? If they had done that, at least you would have
> gotten a clear message about what was wrong.
>
> Checking for fink could be a simple as:
>      os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/sw'):

Of course there is also a DarwinPorts version by maybe it doesn't  
matter since both the fink
and darwin ports are non framework builds?



From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Thu Aug 11 20:01:36 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <2EE64F9F-9DF7-4D2F-85A6-9A493B73F824@samuelsmith.org>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>	<6609D033-CC7A-4871-A3AC-8A8A05F7D4FC@redivi.com>
	<2EE64F9F-9DF7-4D2F-85A6-9A493B73F824@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <42FB9280.7010805@noaa.gov>

Samuel M.Smith wrote:
> Or should I give up and use DarwinPorts or Fink?

Please don't, it would be really nice to have SciPy build on a fink-free 
OS-X. Please make sure to file patches for the changes to need to make 
to get it to work.

-Chris


-- 
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From bgranger at scu.edu  Thu Aug 11 20:26:38 2005
From: bgranger at scu.edu (Brian Granger)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 11:26:38 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <CB1C299F-1402-416D-A4D5-45016EF07909@scu.edu>

What version of gcc are you using?  I have not had any luck getting  
scipy and its dependencies working with gcc 4.0.

Maybe this has changed?  Has anyone had success with gcc 4.0 yet?

If you need to change the default version of gcc on Mac OS X use the  
command:

sudo gcc_select 3.3

Brian

On Aug 11, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Samuel M. Smith wrote:

> Maybe I am being stupid but I tried to install scipy on 10.4.2 using
> Bob Ippolito's Framework python 2.4.1
> and following the directions on the scipy website for os x http://
> www.scipy.org/Members/fonnesbeck/osx_build.txt/
>
> I first installed python 2.4.1 and several of the packages from Bob's
> site
> http://undefined.org/python/#python
> and from the python packages
> http://pythonmac.org/packages/
>
> I only installed packages that said they were compatible with Tiger
> and 2.4.1
>
> I changed my PATH shell variable to
>
>> echo $PATH
>>
> /usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
>
> so that python from the command line  runs python 2.4.1
>
> Installing
> Numeric 23.7,
> numarry 1.1.1
> g77 3.4,
> fftw 2.15,
> f2py 2.45,
> aquaterm 1.0b2
> gnuplot 4.0
>
> all went smoothly
> The ploblem occurred with
> scipy 0.3.2
>
> The setup instructions say one might need to remove
> if sys.platform == 'darwin':
>    opt.append('cc_dynamic')
>
> from the file gnufcompiler.py
>
> prior to running python setup.py build
>
> However that code snippet doesn't exist in the version of
> gnufcompiler.py in scipy complete 0.3.2.
> The closest I could find was the following
>
>
> if sys.platform=='darwin':
>      if os.path.realpath(sys.executable).startswith('/System'):
>          # This is when Python is from Apple framework
>          opt.extend(["-Wl,-framework","-Wl,Python"])
>      #else we are running in Fink python.
>      opt.extend(["-lcc_dynamic","-bundle"])
> else:
>      opt.append("-shared")
>
> Which looked like to me that someone had already accounted for the
> framework build so I didn't make any changes
> to setup.py
>
>
> Unfortunately setup.py build exits with the following error
>
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
> _PyArg_ParseTuple
> _PyArg_ParseTupleAndKeywords
> _PyCObject_AsVoidPtr
> _PyCObject_Type
> _PyComplex_Type
> _PyDict_GetItemString
> _PyDict_SetItemString
> _PyErr_Clear
> _PyErr_NewException
> _PyErr_Occurred
> _PyErr_Print
> _PyErr_SetString
> _PyImport_ImportModule
> _PyInt_Type
> _PyModule_GetDict
> _PyNumber_Int
> _PyObject_GetAttrString
> _PySequence_Check
> _PySequence_GetItem
> _PyString_FromString
> _PyString_Type
> _PyType_IsSubtype
> _PyType_Type
> _Py_BuildValue
> _Py_FatalError
> _Py_InitModule4
> __Py_NoneStruct
> _fprintf$LDBLStub
> _PyCObject_FromVoidPtr
> _PyDict_DelItemString
> _PyDict_New
> _PyErr_Format
> _PyExc_AttributeError
> _PyExc_RuntimeError
> _PyExc_TypeError
> _PyObject_Free
> _PyString_ConcatAndDel
> _Py_FindMethod
> __PyObject_New
> _sprintf$LDBLStub
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> error: Command "/usr/local/bin/g77 -lcc_dynamic -bundle build/
> temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/build/src/Lib/fftpack/
> _fftpackmodule.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/
> fftpack/src/zfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/
> fftpack/src/drfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/
> fftpack/src/zrfft.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/Lib/
> fftpack/src/zfftnd.o build/temp.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/
> build/src/fortranobject.o -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib/gcc/
> powerpc-apple-darwin7.9.0/3.4.4 -Lbuild/temp.darwin-8.2.0-
> Power_Macintosh-2.4 -ldfftpack -lrfftw -lfftw -lg2c -o build/
> lib.darwin-8.2.0-Power_Macintosh-2.4/scipy/fftpack/_fftpack.so"
> failed with exit status 1
>
>
> Anyone have any idea what the problem is.
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************
> Samuel M. Smith Ph.D.
> 2966 Fort Hill Road
> Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
> 801-768-2768 voice
> 801-768-2769 fax
> **********************************************************************
> "The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
> giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
> **********************************************************************
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 20:48:23 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 12:48:23 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <CB1C299F-1402-416D-A4D5-45016EF07909@scu.edu>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<CB1C299F-1402-416D-A4D5-45016EF07909@scu.edu>
Message-ID: <EBA70212-FE59-43FF-984F-ECC657A25AEC@samuelsmith.org>


On 11 Aug, 2005, at 12:26, Brian Granger wrote:

> What version of gcc are you using?  I have not had any luck getting  
> scipy and its dependencies working with gcc 4.0.
>

/usr/bin/gcc
powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0


From cookedm at physics.mcmaster.ca  Thu Aug 11 21:03:04 2005
From: cookedm at physics.mcmaster.ca (David M. Cooke)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 15:03:04 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org> (Samuel M.
	Smith's message of "Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:15:32 -0600")
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <qnkslxgqot3.fsf@arbutus.physics.mcmaster.ca>

"Samuel M. Smith" <smithsm at samuelsmith.org> writes:

> Maybe I am being stupid but I tried to install scipy on 10.4.2 using  
> Bob Ippolito's Framework python 2.4.1
> and following the directions on the scipy website for os x http:// 
> www.scipy.org/Members/fonnesbeck/osx_build.txt/
>
> I first installed python 2.4.1 and several of the packages from Bob's  
> site
> http://undefined.org/python/#python
> and from the python packages
> http://pythonmac.org/packages/
>
> I only installed packages that said they were compatible with Tiger  
> and 2.4.1
>
> I changed my PATH shell variable to
>  >echo $PATH
> /usr/local/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
>
> so that python from the command line  runs python 2.4.1
>
> Installing
> Numeric 23.7,
> numarry 1.1.1
> g77 3.4,
> fftw 2.15,
> f2py 2.45,
> aquaterm 1.0b2
> gnuplot 4.0
>
> all went smoothly
> The ploblem occurred with
> scipy 0.3.2
>
> The setup instructions say one might need to remove
> if sys.platform == 'darwin':
>    opt.append('cc_dynamic')
>
> from the file gnufcompiler.py
>
> prior to running python setup.py build
>
> However that code snippet doesn't exist in the version of  
> gnufcompiler.py in scipy complete 0.3.2.

Try getting the subversion version of Scipy. I know there were some
fixes to how Scipy is built on Mac OS X since 0.3.2 (which is getting
kind of old now).

Unfortunately, it doesn't look scipy.org has been updated with
instructions on pulling from Subversion, but Fernando Perez has put up
a snapshot of CVS before it was switched to subversion at

http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz

This *should* build correctly on OS X.

-- 
|>|\/|<
/--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
|David M. Cooke                      http://arbutus.physics.mcmaster.ca/dmc/
|cookedm at physics.mcmaster.ca

From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 22:06:09 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:06:09 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <qnkslxgqot3.fsf@arbutus.physics.mcmaster.ca>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<qnkslxgqot3.fsf@arbutus.physics.mcmaster.ca>
Message-ID: <AC547CD9-2619-4785-BC9C-9CAAE0264140@samuelsmith.org>

>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't look scipy.org has been updated with
> instructions on pulling from Subversion, but Fernando Perez has put up
> a snapshot of CVS before it was switched to subversion at
>
> http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz
>
> This *should* build correctly on OS X.
>

I had more success with the snapshot above. It built, but I don't  
know how "correctly"


during the build there were thousands of warnings and hundreds of  
warnings of the form

gcc: build/src/scipy/linalg/calc_lworkmodule.c
powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0: -framework: linker input file unused  
because linking not done
powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.0: Accelerate: linker input file unused  
because linking not done

also hundreds of warnings like

usr/bin/ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol _sinf
/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/../../../libmx.dylib(single  
module) definition of _sinf
/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-apple-darwin8/4.0.0/../../../libSystem.dylib 
(floating.o) definition of _sinf


when I ran the self tests I got some errors that didn't look good.  
They would fill several pages
but most were of the form shown at the end of this message.

It ended the self test with

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ran 150 tests in 0.547s

FAILED (errors=7)
<unittest.TextTestRunner object at 0x2352850>
 >>>

So did it build correctly?

Also FYI to Chris Barker and Bob Ippolito

The cvs snapshot had this code in gnufcompiler.py

if sys.platform=='darwin':
     target = os.environ.get('MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET', None)
     if target is None:
         target = '10.3'
     major, minor = target.split('.')
     if int(minor) < 3:
         minor = '3'
         warnings.warn('Environment variable '
                     'MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET reset to 10.3')
     os.environ['MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET'] = '%s.%s' % (major,
                 minor)

     opt.extend(['-undefined', 'dynamic_lookup', '-bundle'])
else:
     opt.append("-shared")

Looks like they cleaned up their act.

*******************

AlBook:/install/development/python/scientific/scipyinstall/scipy  
smithsm$ python
Python 2.4.1 (#2, Mar 31 2005, 00:05:10)
[GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import scipy
 >>> scipy.test()
exceptions.ImportError: Failure linking new module: /Library/ 
Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site-packages/ 
scipy/linalg/_flinalg.so: Symbol not found: _sprintf$LDBLStub
   Referenced from: /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/ 
lib/python2.4/site-packages/scipy/linalg/_flinalg.so
   Expected in: dynamic lookup

    !! No test file 'test_lib.py' found for <module 'scipy.lib' from  
'...ackages/scipy/lib/__init__.pyc'>
    !! No test file 'test_lena.py' found for <module 'scipy.plt.lena'  
from '...te-packages/scipy/plt/lena.pyc'>
    !! No test file 'test_build_py.py' found for <module  
'scipy_distutils.command.build_py' from '...distutils/command/ 
build_py.pyc'>
    !! No test file 'test_gistC.py' found for <module  
'scipy.xplt.gistC' from '...e-packages/scipy/xplt/gistC.so'>
   Found 4 tests for scipy.io.array_import
   Found 1 tests for scipy.xxx.yyy
    !! No test file 'test_xxx.py' found for <module 'scipy.xxx' from  
'...ackages/scipy/xxx/__init__.pyc'>
    !! No test file 'test_ccompiler.py' found for <module  
'scipy_distutils.ccompiler' from '.../scipy_distutils/ccompiler.pyc'>

From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 11 22:16:13 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 14:16:13 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <AC547CD9-2619-4785-BC9C-9CAAE0264140@samuelsmith.org>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<D87C1314-4AE3-4FE2-A4B2-EC9AD80B5C68@samuelsmith.org>
	<qnkslxgqot3.fsf@arbutus.physics.mcmaster.ca>
	<AC547CD9-2619-4785-BC9C-9CAAE0264140@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <2208EAC1-BCAC-40AF-86F1-8AB15AB8A559@samuelsmith.org>

So has anyone built SciPy with Python 2.4.1 framework on 10.4?

Has anyone used the DarwinPorts or Fink version.
How would I know if the one I just built is good or as good as it  
gets without installing the other two?

Does anyone know if there would by any conflicts in installing both  
the DarwinPorts version and what I have already installed?




From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 08:12:57 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M.Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:12:57 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] matplotlib problems
In-Reply-To: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
Message-ID: <E1046B52-1097-4EF1-9F1C-B8ACE756D2C5@samuelsmith.org>

I installed the matplotlib from http://pythonmac.org/packages/ 
matplotlib-0.82-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip

if I try to import pylab it exits and complains about not having pygtk.

It is my understanding that if I have wxPython installed that I don't  
need pygtk. Apparently
the dependency is still there. Am I missing something.

I put matplotlibrc in ~/.matplotlib.

i changed the default configuration to use the WxAgg

#### CONFIGURATION BEGINS HERE
backend      : WxAgg    # the default backend is GTKAgg
numerix      : Numeric   # Numeric or numarray
interactive  : False     # see http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/ 
interactive.html
toolbar      : toolbar2   # None | classic | toolbar2
timezone     : UTC        # a pytz timezone string, eg US/Central or  
Europe/Paris


but it didn't change anything. Anybody use matplotlib pylab  and  
could tell me how to
get it to work?


$ pythonw
Python 2.4.1 (#2, Mar 31 2005, 00:05:10)
[GCC 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666)] on darwin
Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
 >>> import matplotlib
 >>> import pylab
No module named pygtk
PyGTK version 1.99.16 or greater is required to run the GTK  
Matplotlib backends
$


From w.northcott at unsw.edu.au  Fri Aug 12 11:01:15 2005
From: w.northcott at unsw.edu.au (Bill Northcott)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:01:15 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>

On 12/08/2005, at 4:26 AM, Brian Granger wrote:
> What version of gcc are you using?  I have not had any luck getting  
> scipy and its dependencies working with gcc 4.0.
>
> Maybe this has changed?  Has anyone had success with gcc 4.0 yet?
>
> If you need to change the default version of gcc on Mac OS X use  
> the command:
>
> sudo gcc_select 3.3

This is probably the solution.
Why?
because you can only use g77 with gcc-3.x OR gfortran with gcc-4.x.   
You cannot use g77 with gcc-4 they are incompatible.
So if you have a Python/R/Perl/you-name-it binary containing Fortran  
objects built with g77 you cannot extend it with code compiled with  
gcc-4.  This is true on any platform.

The issue arises mainly on Tiger because it does not have an included  
Fortran compiler and out of the box it defaults to using gcc-4.   
Binary packages are shipped built with g77 and sometimes including  
g77.  These are bound to fail on Tiger unless the default compiler is  
changed using the gcc_select command as above.

I have built Scipy with gcc-4, but you must use gfortran to compile  
all the Fortran code for that to work.

I do wish someone on Python, R-project or some other web site would  
document this issue.  I must have posted at least twenty messages  
saying the same thing.

Bill Northcott

From jdhunter at ace.bsd.uchicago.edu  Fri Aug 12 14:45:09 2005
From: jdhunter at ace.bsd.uchicago.edu (John Hunter)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 07:45:09 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] matplotlib problems
In-Reply-To: <E1046B52-1097-4EF1-9F1C-B8ACE756D2C5@samuelsmith.org> ("Samuel
	M.Smith"'s message of "Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:12:57 -0600")
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<E1046B52-1097-4EF1-9F1C-B8ACE756D2C5@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <871x4zuxwq.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>>>>> "Samuel" == Samuel M Smith <smithsm at samuelsmith.org> writes:

    Samuel> I installed the matplotlib from
    Samuel> http://pythonmac.org/packages/
    Samuel> matplotlib-0.82-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip

    Samuel> if I try to import pylab it exits and complains about not
    Samuel> having pygtk.

    Samuel> It is my understanding that if I have wxPython installed
    Samuel> that I don't need pygtk. Apparently the dependency is
    Samuel> still there. Am I missing something.

    Samuel> I put matplotlibrc in ~/.matplotlib.

You did everything right, but for the most recent version.  In
matplotlib 0.83, we renamed ~/.matplotlibrc to
~/.matplotlib/matplotlibrc.  Since you are using 0.82, it is looking
for the old file name, and not finding it, falling back on the
defaults.

Rename your rc file back to ~/.matplotlibrc (until the next upgrade)
an you should be good to go.  Run your script with --verbose-helpful
for extra diagnostic information, like which rc file is being loaded.

JDH

From Hubert.Holin at meteo.fr  Fri Aug 12 15:00:37 2005
From: Hubert.Holin at meteo.fr (Hubert Holin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:00:37 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1123840802.21363.c++-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.1.1123840802.21363.c++-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <183D565B-0F6F-4FC1-9CA0-E0B975102723@meteo.fr>

[Xposted and followups to pythonmac list which is perhaps more  
appropriate]

Somewhere in the E.U., le 12/08/2005

     Bonjour


On 12 ao?t 2005, at 12:00, c++-sig-request at python.org wrote:

> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:49:08 -0400
> From: Scott Kaplan <pythondeveloper at gmail.com>
> Subject: [C++-sig] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
> To: Development of Python/C++ integration <c++-sig at python.org>
> Message-ID: <86afeadf05081110495776a14b at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Being new to Python, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good IDE
> that would let me develop Python and add extensions in C/C++, with the
> capability of debugging those extensions.
>
> This will be on a Mac.
>
> It looks like the standard download comes with PyObjC, however I want
> to extend Python to handle my C/C++ extensions not the other way
> around + I don't want to have to learn any ObjectiveC / ObjC syntax.
>
> Thanks,

         Well, if you do not want to create GUIs, but do want to use  
one, it is possible to use XCode (2.1, though the last few previous  
versions would presumably also work).

         More precisely, you can launch the command-line Python from  
within XCode with a chosen script as argument (and any other  
arguments you may care about), and of course you can do the C++  
programming within that environment. I have not actually tried to  
have a custom Python extension used in such a setting, but it is in  
my current work plan. You can even use the free (and excellent)  
TextWrangler as the code editor (for C++ and Python). The debugging  
of the extension can then be done using XCode's front-end to GDB. For  
debugging of Python scripts proper, however, the (free) PythonIDE is  
preferable, though (which leads to: development of scripts within  
PythonIDE, extension coding and integration in XCode). You are, as  
well, not restricted to using the Apple-supplied version of Python.

         As an example, I installed Bob Ippolito's "Official  
Unofficial" Python 2.4.1. I then created an XCode project (***empty  
project***) "Python via XCode", added a target "Invoked Snake" (of  
type aggregate), and to it added a custom executable "Python 2.4.1 
(Official Unofficial)", setting its properties as "Executable path: / 
Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python" and with  
an argument ""/Users/hubertholin/Documents/Scratch/Python via Xcode/ 
test.py"" (adding quotes around path arguments is safer... note the  
whitespaces). Clicking on the "Build and Go" icon then invoked python  
with my test script as argument.

         The creation of extensions should be straightforward from  
the Boost.Python documentation (so far, I have only tried embedding,  
not extension, which is on my to-do list). I am still trying to  
refine the process to something I like, though.

         As far as Objective-C and Objective-C++ are concerned, I  
only see them as something of an inconvenience, much as in the same  
way that Apple's system documentation had long been geared towards  
Pascal rather than C. PyObjC goes a long way to ease our suffering,  
though there are some rough spots still (and the Python Carbon  
bindings need a full overhaul). It should be said that Interface  
Builder is superb, though, and in the absence of a NIB to whatever- 
portable-package Python will understand (like there appears to be for  
PERL), if one wants GUIs, then building them in IB, using PyObjC as  
the glue (using documentation written for ObjC) and extending with C+ 
+ is a possible road. At least that's the road I am taking, and if  
anybody's interested I'll report back if it actually leads  
somewhere :-)    .

     Bon courage

             Hubert Holin


From Benjamin.Schollnick at XEROX.COM  Fri Aug 12 15:47:39 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at XEROX.COM (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:47:39 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFCF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Bob,

	I spoke too soon..

	Setting Site-packages works on the development machine, but does
not seem to be helping on the non-development systems...

	Python 2.3.5 (Stock Tiger)
	Py2App v0.2-py2.3
	wxPython 2.6 (unicode, 2.6.10)

	I have attempted to include wx, wxPython and PythonCard as
packages, and I believe it moves the crash further down the chain.

	The issue appears that wxPython is not finding the _core
module... (ie. the wxPython package is not receiving all the
dependencies that it requires..)

	The development system is running Tiger (10.4), and I'm testing
on a 10.3.9 system...

	Any suggestions?

	When this was being built on 10.39, it had worked fine on the
test system...  But I would prefer to not to regress to 10.3.9 on the
development system.

		- Benjamin

See the Console for a detailed traceback.
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot
__.py", line 61, in ?
    _run('audit_gui.py')
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/__boot
__.py", line 58, in _run
    execfile(path, globals(), globals())
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/audit_
gui.py", line 81, in ?
    from    PythonCard             import model
  File
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/
site-packages/PythonCard/model.py", line 24, in ?
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/Python
/site-packages/wxPython/__init__.py", line 10, in ?
    import _wx
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/Python
/site-packages/wxPython/_wx.py", line 3, in ?
    from _core import *
  File
"/Volumes/Users/bschollnick/dist/audit_gui.app/Contents/Resources/Python
/site-packages/wxPython/_core.py", line 22, in ?
    wxNOT_FOUND = wx._core.NOT_FOUND
AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'NOT_FOUND'
2005-08-12 09:32:11.930 audit_gui[1506] audit_gui Error
2005-08-12 09:32:11.931 audit_gui[1506] An unexpected error has occurred
during execution of the main script

AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'NOT_FOUND'

from distutils.core import setup
import py2app

includes = ["encodings",
             "encodings.utf_8", "encodings.ascii", "wx", "wxPython",
"PythonCard"]

packages = ["wx", "wxPython", "PythonCard"]

py2app_options = { 'argv_emulation':True,
                    'optimize':1,
                    'compressed':1,
                    'site_packages': True,
                    'includes' : includes,
                    'packages' : packages
                    }

data_files = [  ("", ["AUDIT.INI",
                     "AUDIT_GUI.RSRC.PY",
                     "sample_audit.ini",
                     "clean_desk.rpt",
                     "software.rpt"]) 
             ]
setup ( app=['audit_gui.py'],
        options={"py2app": dict(py2app_options)},
        data_files= data_files )

From bob at redivi.com  Fri Aug 12 15:52:16 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 03:52:16 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFCF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFCF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <F0EC4102-65B6-4EFC-B115-EEA07CD9ECC9@redivi.com>


On Aug 12, 2005, at 3:47 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

> Bob,
>
>     I spoke too soon..
>
>     Setting Site-packages works on the development machine, but does
> not seem to be helping on the non-development systems...
>
>     Python 2.3.5 (Stock Tiger)
>     Py2App v0.2-py2.3
>     wxPython 2.6 (unicode, 2.6.10)
>
>     I have attempted to include wx, wxPython and PythonCard as
> packages, and I believe it moves the crash further down the chain.
>
>     The issue appears that wxPython is not finding the _core
> module... (ie. the wxPython package is not receiving all the
> dependencies that it requires..)
>
>     The development system is running Tiger (10.4), and I'm testing
> on a 10.3.9 system...
>
>     Any suggestions?
>
>     When this was being built on 10.39, it had worked fine on the
> test system...  But I would prefer to not to regress to 10.3.9 on the
> development system.

You're going to need to upgrade to 2.4.1 if you want to be able to  
build backwards and forwards compatible stuff.  The /System releases  
are only really suitable if your target is that exact release of Mac  
OS X.

-bob


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 16:18:38 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:18:38 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>


On 12 Aug, 2005, at 03:01, Bill Northcott wrote:

> On 12/08/2005, at 4:26 AM, Brian Granger wrote:
>
>> What version of gcc are you using?  I have not had any luck  
>> getting scipy and its dependencies working with gcc 4.0.
>>
>> Maybe this has changed?  Has anyone had success with gcc 4.0 yet?
>>
>> If you need to change the default version of gcc on Mac OS X use  
>> the command:
>>
>> sudo gcc_select 3.3
>>
>
> This is probably the solution.
> Why?
> because you can only use g77 with gcc-3.x OR gfortran with  
> gcc-4.x.  You cannot use g77 with gcc-4 they are incompatible.
> So if you have a Python/R/Perl/you-name-it binary containing  
> Fortran objects built with g77 you cannot extend it with code  
> compiled with gcc-4.  This is true on any platform.
>
> The issue arises mainly on Tiger because it does not have an  
> included Fortran compiler and out of the box it defaults to using  
> gcc-4.  Binary packages are shipped built with g77 and sometimes  
> including g77.  These are bound to fail on Tiger unless the default  
> compiler is changed using the gcc_select command as above.
>
> I have built Scipy with gcc-4, but you must use gfortran to compile  
> all the Fortran code for that to work.

How hard is it to replace g77 with gfortran?
>
> I do wish someone on Python, R-project or some other web site would  
> document this issue.  I must have posted at least twenty messages  
> saying the same thing.
>
> Bill Northcott
>

**********************************************************************
Samuel M. Smith Ph.D.
2966 Fort Hill Road
Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
801-768-2768 voice
801-768-2769 fax
**********************************************************************
"The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
**********************************************************************


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 16:33:30 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 08:33:30 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] matplotlib problems
In-Reply-To: <871x4zuxwq.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>
References: <r01050400-1038-9630F5B2883711D9A42C003065D5E7E4@[10.0.0.23]>
	<E1046B52-1097-4EF1-9F1C-B8ACE756D2C5@samuelsmith.org>
	<871x4zuxwq.fsf@peds-pc311.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <901ED9D3-B135-495F-AD86-5EA79994919D@samuelsmith.org>

Thanks that did it.

  I did find a verbose.level in the .matplotlibrc file which I set to  
helpful
and that worked


On 12 Aug, 2005, at 06:45, John Hunter wrote:

> You did everything right, but for the most recent version.  In
> matplotlib 0.83, we renamed ~/.matplotlibrc to
> ~/.matplotlib/matplotlibrc.  Since you are using 0.82, it is looking
> for the old file name, and not finding it, falling back on the
> defaults.
>
> Rename your rc file back to ~/.matplotlibrc (until the next upgrade)
> an you should be good to go.  Run your script with --verbose-helpful
> for extra diagnostic information, like which rc file is being loaded.
>

**********************************************************************
Samuel M. Smith Ph.D.
2966 Fort Hill Road
Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
801-768-2768 voice
801-768-2769 fax
**********************************************************************
"The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
**********************************************************************


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 17:09:19 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:09:19 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>
Message-ID: <16DD70CF-47C5-4C5F-A0FF-4F1130D8BED2@samuelsmith.org>


On 12 Aug, 2005, at 03:01, Bill Northcott wrote:

> On 12/08/2005, at 4:26 AM, Brian Granger wrote:
>
>> What version of gcc are you using?  I have not had any luck  
>> getting scipy and its dependencies working with gcc 4.0.
>>
>> Maybe this has changed?  Has anyone had success with gcc 4.0 yet?
>>
>> If you need to change the default version of gcc on Mac OS X use  
>> the command:
>>
>> sudo gcc_select 3.3
>>
>
> This is probably the solution.
> Why?
> because you can only use g77 with gcc-3.x OR gfortran with  
> gcc-4.x.  You cannot use g77 with gcc-4 they are incompatible.
> So if you have a Python/R/Perl/you-name-it binary containing  
> Fortran objects built with g77 you cannot extend it with code  
> compiled with gcc-4.  This is true on any platform.

Why doesn't the setup.py script for scipy take care of this detail?  
Or how do I configure setup.py to take care of this
dependency.

So to be specific I select gcc 3.3 before I run scipy's setup.py  
build and setup.py install and then I set it back.

The mac scipy install instructions list the following packages that  
scipy is dependent on. Some are downloadable binaries
some you have to build. Do I need to redo all these packages with gcc  
3.3 or are some of them smart enough to select the
correct compiler?

Numeric
Numarray
G77
FFTW
F2PY
GNUPlot
AquaTerm

basically I have to start over?

Is DarwinPorts smart enough to use the correct compiler?

Thanks for you help
do you have documented how you set up scipy.

I am trying to figure out what approach to use. I wanted to use  
framework python because I wanted to do some mac gui
work as well but may I should just cut my losses and use DarwinPorts  
for scientific stuff. Any good reasons not to?


>
> The issue arises mainly on Tiger because it does not have an  
> included Fortran compiler and out of the box it defaults to using  
> gcc-4.  Binary packages are shipped built with g77 and sometimes  
> including g77.  These are bound to fail on Tiger unless the default  
> compiler is changed using the gcc_select command as above.
>
> I have built Scipy with gcc-4, but you must use gfortran to compile  
> all the Fortran code for that to work.
>
> I do wish someone on Python, R-project or some other web site would  
> document this issue.  I must have posted at least twenty messages  
> saying the same thing.
>
> Bill Northcott
>

**********************************************************************
Samuel M. Smith Ph.D.
2966 Fort Hill Road
Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
801-768-2768 voice
801-768-2769 fax
**********************************************************************
"The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
**********************************************************************


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 17:14:37 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 09:14:37 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Framework Installation Strategy, Package Manager?
In-Reply-To: <F0EC4102-65B6-4EFC-B115-EEA07CD9ECC9@redivi.com>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFCF@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
	<F0EC4102-65B6-4EFC-B115-EEA07CD9ECC9@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <A2937809-B43A-485D-B7B0-6F098C75C755@samuelsmith.org>


Only 8 packages show up in python install manager for macpython 2.4.
Is this because nobody has time to maintain the database or has  
support gone away from the package manager because
nobody liked it?

Why isn't package manager being used for all the packages on http:// 
pythonmac.org/packages/ and http://undefined.org/python/#python?


In general if I build a package from source and use framework python  
2.4.1, then setup.py will do the right thing?
Or are there extra tricks that I have to worry about.

I was attracted to Bob's set of apple installer packages but have  
gotten bitten a couple of times because not
the latest version etc. I am trying to figure out what my python  
installation and maintenance strategy should be.

I have used Python mainly for cgi scripts and network utilities and  
only needed the standard library. But now I have a project where I  
plan to use it for a scientific
research project that needs the graphics plotting etc. This requires  
more than the stock python. I also plan to write
a gui app interface using the mac toolbox so I concluded that i  
should be using the framework build.

But it seems that there is a lot of extra work to get all the  
scientific tools running under framework build.

Anybody have any suggestions why or why not persist with framework.  
Apparently some people have built all these tools
on framework build, I just can't find any updated documentation on  
the process.

Anybody want to share their configuration and why?





From dangoor at gmail.com  Fri Aug 12 17:16:50 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app trying to create a symlink that already
	exists
Message-ID: <3f085ecd05081208161fa06e89@mail.gmail.com>

I believe I ran into this before, but I didn't document it properly so
I'm doomed to repeat it. (I'll document it this time!)

I have an app that is running fine (and py2app is building it fine) on
Tiger. I'm working on getting a Panther build put together. On both
Tiger and Panther, I'm using Bob's unofficial official Python 2.4.1.
I'm using PyObjC 1.3.7 (downloaded the package for Panther, built from
source for Tiger), and the included py2app (0.2.1).

I'm using the embedded version of the Firebird database, and that is
where the problem is coming in. I built Firebird myself on both Tiger
and Panther. I've looked at /Library/Frameworks/Firebird.framework in
both and they look the same. So, now to what the problem is...

Looking through py2app's output, the first framework copied is
Firebird.framework, picked up as a dependency of kinterbasdb. As
py2app continues copying stuff over, it eventually hits
linking /Users/tazzzzz/projects/app/dist/myapp.app/Contents/Frameworks/Firebird.framework/Firebird
-> Versions/Current/Firebird

which runs into this problem:
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site-packages/py2app/py2app/build_app.py",
line 1064, in copy_tree
    condition=condition)
  File "/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site-packages/py2app/py2app/util.py",
line 351, in copy_tree
    os.symlink(link_dest, dst_name)
OSError: [Errno 17] File exists
> /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/site-packages/py2app/py2app/util.py(351)copy_tree()

Look at what's in myapp.app, the Firebird.framework in there doesn't
have a Versions/Current yet. It does, however, have a Firebird at the
top of the framework directory, which is not a symlink but the real
file. In my Tiger build, that Firebird at the top is a symlink to
Versions/Current/Firebird, which is also the case in
/Library/Frameworks/Firebird.framework on both machines.

I seem to remember seeing this problem when I first started using
Firebird, and I really wish I had written down how the problem was
solved. I did a clean checkout and build under Tiger to ensure that
the two OSes are really running the same things.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
Kevin

From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Fri Aug 12 19:07:25 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:07:25 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD1@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

> You're going to need to upgrade to 2.4.1 if you want to be able to  
> build backwards and forwards compatible stuff.  The /System releases  
> are only really suitable if your target is that exact release of Mac  
> OS X.

Well...  It is working at this point now....

After upgrading to 10.4.1.....  But the distribution is huge (!!)
roughly 40 Mb....  I'll take a look into slimming it down in a few
days...

And it'll be on a compressed disk image which may help trim it down
more...

I ran into a small problem which I had not realized...  10.3.x & 10.4.x
have slightly different "layouts" in their XML results for the system
profiler.

Other than that, it's been fairly smooth....  

		- Benjamin

From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 12 19:33:08 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:33:08 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>
	<7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <EAEB965E-99AC-4392-9A43-852FB02A8CE6@samuelsmith.org>

The gcc 3.3 issue was the key. Thanks for help.

Below is a list of what I did.

Could someone take these directions and create a pkg installer for  
scipy? So others can just double click to install?

******************
scipy installation instruction for framework python 2.4.1 on OS X 10.4.2

Get the following files
http://pythonmac.org/packages/Numeric-23.7-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
http://pythonmac.org/packages/numarray-1.1.1-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
http://prdownloads.sf.net/hpc/g77v3.4-bin.tar.gz?download
http://www.fftw.org/fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquaterm/AquaTerm1.0.b2.dmg
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuplot/Gnuplot-4.0.0.dmg
http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz

Make sure framework python 2.41 is default python by putting
/usr/local/bin at the front of shell PATH variable

Install Numeric 23.7 from pkg installer
Install numarray 1.1.1 from pkg installer

Set default gcc compiler to version 3.3 this must be so for  
compatibility with g77 fortran compiler used in scipy

 > sudo gcc_select 3.3

Install g77 3.4
 > sudo tar -xvf g77v3.4-bin.tar -C /

Install fftw 2.1.5

 > tar -xvzf fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz (or tar -xvf if it has already been  
gunzipped)
 > cd fftw*
 > ./configure
 > make
 > sudo make install


Install F2PY 2.1.5
 > tar -xvzf F2PY-2-latest.tar.gz
 > cd  F2PY*
 > sudo python setup.py install

Install AquaTerm 1.0b2 from pkg installer

Install GnuPlot 4.0 from pkg installer

Untar the scipy_cvs_2005_07_29.tgx
cd to the scipy directory
Build and Install scipy

 > python setup.py build
 > sudo python setup.py install

Test
 >python
 >>> import scipy
 >>> scipy.test()

Expect that some tests will fail. The test function should complete OK.

********************************************



From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Fri Aug 12 21:47:37 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 12:47:37 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <EAEB965E-99AC-4392-9A43-852FB02A8CE6@samuelsmith.org>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>	<7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>
	<EAEB965E-99AC-4392-9A43-852FB02A8CE6@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <42FCFCD9.1070002@noaa.gov>



Samuel M. Smith wrote:
> The gcc 3.3 issue was the key. Thanks for help.
> 
> Below is a list of what I did.
> 
> Could someone take these directions and create a pkg installer for  
> scipy? So others can just double click to install?

Great idea..why not you? py2app bdist_mpkg is fabulous. If you can run:

python setup.py build

then you should be able to run

bdist_mpkg

and have it build a package for you. The trick is shared libs. When I 
did this for matplotlib, I ended up making sure the libs it needed were 
statically linked.

-good luck!


> ******************
> scipy installation instruction for framework python 2.4.1 on OS X 10.4.2
> 
> Get the following files
> http://pythonmac.org/packages/Numeric-23.7-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
> http://pythonmac.org/packages/numarray-1.1.1-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
> http://prdownloads.sf.net/hpc/g77v3.4-bin.tar.gz?download
> http://www.fftw.org/fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquaterm/AquaTerm1.0.b2.dmg
> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuplot/Gnuplot-4.0.0.dmg
> http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz
> 
> Make sure framework python 2.41 is default python by putting
> /usr/local/bin at the front of shell PATH variable
> 
> Install Numeric 23.7 from pkg installer
> Install numarray 1.1.1 from pkg installer
> 
> Set default gcc compiler to version 3.3 this must be so for  
> compatibility with g77 fortran compiler used in scipy
> 
>  > sudo gcc_select 3.3
> 
> Install g77 3.4
>  > sudo tar -xvf g77v3.4-bin.tar -C /
> 
> Install fftw 2.1.5
> 
>  > tar -xvzf fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz (or tar -xvf if it has already been  
> gunzipped)
>  > cd fftw*
>  > ./configure
>  > make
>  > sudo make install
> 
> 
> Install F2PY 2.1.5
>  > tar -xvzf F2PY-2-latest.tar.gz
>  > cd  F2PY*
>  > sudo python setup.py install
> 
> Install AquaTerm 1.0b2 from pkg installer
> 
> Install GnuPlot 4.0 from pkg installer
> 
> Untar the scipy_cvs_2005_07_29.tgx
> cd to the scipy directory
> Build and Install scipy
> 
>  > python setup.py build
>  > sudo python setup.py install
> 
> Test
>  >python
>  >>> import scipy
>  >>> scipy.test()
> 
> Expect that some tests will fail. The test function should complete OK.
> 
> ********************************************
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

-- 
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From bob at redivi.com  Sat Aug 13 01:59:14 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:59:14 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD1@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD1@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <9BEE3F92-955A-4DF1-ACF6-D190AF332568@redivi.com>


On Aug 12, 2005, at 7:07 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

>> You're going to need to upgrade to 2.4.1 if you want to be able to
>> build backwards and forwards compatible stuff.  The /System releases
>> are only really suitable if your target is that exact release of Mac
>> OS X.
>>
>
> Well...  It is working at this point now....
>
> After upgrading to 10.4.1.....  But the distribution is huge (!!)
> roughly 40 Mb....  I'll take a look into slimming it down in a few
> days...

Use PyObjC instead of wxPython and it will get a lot smaller ;)

-bob


From jason at enterpriseutilities.com  Sat Aug 13 04:50:26 2005
From: jason at enterpriseutilities.com (Jason Slack)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:50:26 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] PythonIDE crashes
Message-ID: <0AB5CE96-B39A-47CD-A9C3-2FB31A6E78BC@enterpriseutilities.com>

Hello All,

I have installed MacPython on my ibook running Tiger.

The PythonIDE crashes on startup with the following thrown to the  
console:

===== Friday, August 12, 2005 10:40:06 PM America/New_York =====
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/Applications/MacPython-2.3/PythonIDE.app/Contents/Resources/ 
PythonIDE.py", line 58, in ?
     import PythonIDEMain as _PythonIDEMain
   File "/Applications/MacPython-2.3/PythonIDE.app/Contents/Resources/ 
PythonIDEMain.py", line 7, in ?
     import W
   File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/Mac/ 
Tools/IDE/W.py", line 7, in ?
     from Wtext import *
   File "/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/Mac/ 
Tools/IDE/Wtext.py", line 6, in ?
     import waste
ImportError: No module named waste

Any thoughts?

-Jason

From chairos at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 09:10:45 2005
From: chairos at gmail.com (Jon Rosebaugh)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 02:10:45 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and python unicode
	types
Message-ID: <ad60861a05081300102bc7aec2@mail.gmail.com>

I have a class used to store data. In order to save and load the data,
I convert it into a NSArray as shown below:

NSArray.arrayWithArray_([self.Type, self.CreationTime,
self.ModificationTime, self.Name, self.Labels, self.Data])

self.Data is a unicode string. For some reason, its value does not get
placed in the array. Instead, it's replaced with the empty string.
However, if I replace self.Data with str(self.Data), it works. The
PyObjC documentation indicates that both normal strings and unicode
strings are subclasses of NSString, I'm quite baffled why one works
and the other doesn't. I'd really like to be able to save the unicode
data, so can someone please explain this to me?

From bob at redivi.com  Sat Aug 13 09:54:00 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 21:54:00 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and python
	unicode types
In-Reply-To: <ad60861a05081300102bc7aec2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad60861a05081300102bc7aec2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45D6C0F0-9425-49AD-BD88-F3B22295BE9A@redivi.com>


On Aug 12, 2005, at 9:10 PM, Jon Rosebaugh wrote:

> I have a class used to store data. In order to save and load the data,
> I convert it into a NSArray as shown below:
>
> NSArray.arrayWithArray_([self.Type, self.CreationTime,
> self.ModificationTime, self.Name, self.Labels, self.Data])
>
> self.Data is a unicode string. For some reason, its value does not get
> placed in the array. Instead, it's replaced with the empty string.
> However, if I replace self.Data with str(self.Data), it works. The
> PyObjC documentation indicates that both normal strings and unicode
> strings are subclasses of NSString, I'm quite baffled why one works
> and the other doesn't. I'd really like to be able to save the unicode
> data, so can someone please explain this to me?

That shouldn't happen, I doubt that it's actually the situation you  
describe.  Post something reproducible and someone will look at it.

-bob


From chairos at gmail.com  Sat Aug 13 10:52:17 2005
From: chairos at gmail.com (Jon Rosebaugh)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:52:17 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and python
	unicode types
In-Reply-To: <45D6C0F0-9425-49AD-BD88-F3B22295BE9A@redivi.com>
References: <ad60861a05081300102bc7aec2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6C0F0-9425-49AD-BD88-F3B22295BE9A@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <ad60861a050813015277fe35d4@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/13/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> 
> That shouldn't happen, I doubt that it's actually the situation you
> describe.  Post something reproducible and someone will look at it.

You're right, it wasn't the problem; I'm kinda ashamed that I didn't
notice it now, because the self.Name was a unicode string too, and it
worked fine. Turns out that self.Data was a objc.pyobjc_unicode
object, since it had gone through the bridge and back. Sorry to
trouble you.

From wsanchez at wsanchez.net  Sat Aug 13 18:08:14 2005
From: wsanchez at wsanchez.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:08:14 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
References: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
	<22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <00AF73E1-801D-45BF-B38F-3F0D71F329CB@wsanchez.net>

   Non-standard how?  The implementation in OS X is written and  
maintained by the folks at M.I.T. Information Systems.

     -wsv


On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:

> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since
> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a non-
> standard Kerberos implementation.


From bob at redivi.com  Sat Aug 13 18:14:13 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 06:14:13 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <00AF73E1-801D-45BF-B38F-3F0D71F329CB@wsanchez.net>
References: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
	<22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
	<00AF73E1-801D-45BF-B38F-3F0D71F329CB@wsanchez.net>
Message-ID: <1886F7BA-729A-4497-A622-C5AFDCD8E11B@redivi.com>

That's nice, but since when does the implementation of Active  
Directory have anything to do with OS X? :)

-bob

On Aug 13, 2005, at 6:08 AM, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:

>   Non-standard how?  The implementation in OS X is written and  
> maintained by the folks at M.I.T. Information Systems.
>
>     -wsv
>
>
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>
>> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since
>> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a non-
>> standard Kerberos implementation.
>>
>
>


From wsanchez at wsanchez.net  Sat Aug 13 19:43:17 2005
From: wsanchez at wsanchez.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Wilfredo_S=E1nchez_Vega?=)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 10:43:17 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
In-Reply-To: <1886F7BA-729A-4497-A622-C5AFDCD8E11B@redivi.com>
References: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
	<22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
	<00AF73E1-801D-45BF-B38F-3F0D71F329CB@wsanchez.net>
	<1886F7BA-729A-4497-A622-C5AFDCD8E11B@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <474F8DA7-5F77-4100-9046-9A25AC7CC6B1@wsanchez.net>

   You said non-standard kerberos implementation.  I'm wondering  
what's non-standard about it; I am under the impression it was stock  
MIT kerberos.

     -wsv


On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:

> That's nice, but since when does the implementation of Active  
> Directory have anything to do with OS X? :)
>
> -bob
>
> On Aug 13, 2005, at 6:08 AM, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:
>
>
>>   Non-standard how?  The implementation in OS X is written and  
>> maintained by the folks at M.I.T. Information Systems.
>>
>>     -wsv
>>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since
>>> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a  
>>> non-
>>> standard Kerberos implementation.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


From w.northcott at unsw.edu.au  Sun Aug 14 01:00:56 2005
From: w.northcott at unsw.edu.au (Bill Northcott)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:00:56 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python 2.4.1
	framework
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <9DDB7CDD-664A-4283-8414-BADC9337E076@unsw.edu.au>

On 12/08/2005, at 4:26 AM, Samuel M.Smith wrote:
> And now setup.py build still exits with an error in the same place  
> but the error is different
>
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> /usr/bin/ld: Undefined symbols:
> _fprintf$LDBLStub
> _sprintf$LDBLStub
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

See my email of 24 July.  There is a basic problem with the Python  
build system because it uses the system libtool to build libraries.   
This is fragile.

The 'right way' to build libraries is to use the gcc compiler driver  
because this automatically ensures that the appropriate system  
libraries get linked.  The compiler driver can also do stuff like  
multiple invocations of libtool, ld and lipo to build fat multi- 
architecture binaries.

Bob said he accepted the patch, but I can't see it in the CVS.

Bill

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Sun Aug 14 12:08:07 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:08:07 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and
	python	unicode types
In-Reply-To: <ad60861a050813015277fe35d4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad60861a05081300102bc7aec2@mail.gmail.com>
	<45D6C0F0-9425-49AD-BD88-F3B22295BE9A@redivi.com>
	<ad60861a050813015277fe35d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C39330B6-F102-4E71-A30A-5AD09BF1C339@mac.com>


On 13-aug-2005, at 10:52, Jon Rosebaugh wrote:

> On 8/13/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> That shouldn't happen, I doubt that it's actually the situation you
>> describe.  Post something reproducible and someone will look at it.
>>
>
> You're right, it wasn't the problem; I'm kinda ashamed that I didn't
> notice it now, because the self.Name was a unicode string too, and it
> worked fine. Turns out that self.Data was a objc.pyobjc_unicode
> object, since it had gone through the bridge and back. Sorry to
> trouble you.

That still sounds fishy. If I understand you correctly you have a  
pyobjc_unicode object that is not an empty string (that is  
"theString != ''"), but is an empty string when converted back to  
Objective-C. Could you elaborate on what you're doing? Unless the  
Objective-C strings is an NSMutableString and someone is mutating it  
behind your back the value in python should be the same as the value  
in ObjC.

BTW. str(self.Data) is very likely wrong when isinstance(self.Data,  
unicode), the former will raise an exception when the self.Data  
contains non-ASCII characters.

Ronald
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Sun Aug 14 12:10:51 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 12:10:51 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac
	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <474F8DA7-5F77-4100-9046-9A25AC7CC6B1@wsanchez.net>
References: <OFF40093D2.4FD9546E-ON86257054.008340EC-86257055.00077D2C@omsdal.com>
	<22758E3B-FCE7-4314-9154-3C6BA22EFD70@redivi.com>
	<00AF73E1-801D-45BF-B38F-3F0D71F329CB@wsanchez.net>
	<1886F7BA-729A-4497-A622-C5AFDCD8E11B@redivi.com>
	<474F8DA7-5F77-4100-9046-9A25AC7CC6B1@wsanchez.net>
Message-ID: <F6B8908A-7D27-4E90-B4AC-0BDDCE471B0A@mac.com>


On 13-aug-2005, at 19:43, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:

>    You said non-standard kerberos implementation.  I'm wondering
> what's non-standard about it; I am under the impression it was stock
> MIT kerberos.
>
Active Directory uses the kerberos with some non-standard extensions.  
IIRC they use this to stuff authorisation information inside a ticket.

BTW. Active Directory != Open Directory, looking at an OSX system  
won't teach you a lot about Active Directory :-)

>      -wsv
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2005, at 9:14 AM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>
>> That's nice, but since when does the implementation of Active
>> Directory have anything to do with OS X? :)
>>
>> -bob
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2005, at 6:08 AM, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>   Non-standard how?  The implementation in OS X is written and
>>> maintained by the folks at M.I.T. Information Systems.
>>>
>>>     -wsv
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2005, at 7:05 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The generic way to do the authentication is just to use LDAP, since
>>>> Active Directory is just a jazzed up LDAP database server with a
>>>> non-
>>>> standard Kerberos implementation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Sun Aug 14 17:34:18 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 10:34:18 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on
	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <F6B8908A-7D27-4E90-B4AC-0BDDCE471B0A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <OF8B94FC6D.1A15BF82-ON8625705D.00546C92-8625705D.00558AAA@omsdal.com>

Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote on 08/14/2005 05:10:51 AM:

> 
> On 13-aug-2005, at 19:43, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:
> 
> >    You said non-standard kerberos implementation.  I'm wondering
> > what's non-standard about it; I am under the impression it was stock
> > MIT kerberos.
> >
> Active Directory uses the kerberos with some non-standard extensions. 
> IIRC they use this to stuff authorisation information inside a ticket.
> 
> BTW. Active Directory != Open Directory, looking at an OSX system 
> won't teach you a lot about Active Directory :-)


I'm still stuck on this, which means the Mac client of my app
is dead in the water. I was able to get AD authentication working 
on Windows using win23com.client, which of course doesn't exist for Mac.

Because of the difficulty in getting python-ldap to build on Mac OS 10.4
(nobody on that mailing list has responded to my plea for help), I'm
just about ready to give up on that approach. That leaves me with
finding and hiring a Mac programmer who knows something about AD or LDAP, 
or
using subprocess.py to call Apple's built-in OpenLDAP (which seems
like an awkward approach).

At this point, all I'm trying to do is get the client GUI app to
authenticate with AD.

Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From Henning.Ramm at mediapro-gmbh.de  Sun Aug 14 18:22:45 2005
From: Henning.Ramm at mediapro-gmbh.de (Henning.Ramm@mediapro-gmbh.de)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:22:45 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on Mac using
	Python
Message-ID: <F92274058556DE42B94B148EEFB91839021CB51A@exchange-03.suedkurier.de>

> Because of the difficulty in getting python-ldap to build on Mac OS 10.4 

Perhaps this helps:

http://twistedmatrix.com/users/tv/ldap-intro/ldap-intro.html
http://tv.debian.net/software/ldaptor/ (based on twisted, see http://twistedmatrix.com)

Best regards,
Henning Hraban Ramm
S?dkurier Medienhaus / MediaPro
Support/Admin/Development Dept.

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Sun Aug 14 19:12:17 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:12:17 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OF8B94FC6D.1A15BF82-ON8625705D.00546C92-8625705D.00558AAA@omsdal.com>
References: <OF8B94FC6D.1A15BF82-ON8625705D.00546C92-8625705D.00558AAA@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <4E82086C-001C-42BC-8B85-462C93122911@mac.com>


On 14-aug-2005, at 17:34, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:

>
> Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote on 08/14/2005 05:10:51 AM:
>
> >
> > On 13-aug-2005, at 19:43, Wilfredo S?nchez Vega wrote:
> >
> > >    You said non-standard kerberos implementation.  I'm wondering
> > > what's non-standard about it; I am under the impression it was  
> stock
> > > MIT kerberos.
> > >
> > Active Directory uses the kerberos with some non-standard  
> extensions.
> > IIRC they use this to stuff authorisation information inside a  
> ticket.
> >
> > BTW. Active Directory != Open Directory, looking at an OSX system
> > won't teach you a lot about Active Directory :-)
>
>
> I'm still stuck on this, which means the Mac client of my app
> is dead in the water. I was able to get AD authentication working
> on Windows using win23com.client, which of course doesn't exist for  
> Mac.
>
> Because of the difficulty in getting python-ldap to build on Mac OS  
> 10.4
> (nobody on that mailing list has responded to my plea for help), I'm
> just about ready to give up on that approach. That leaves me with
> finding and hiring a Mac programmer who knows something about AD or  
> LDAP, or
> using subprocess.py to call Apple's built-in OpenLDAP (which seems
> like an awkward approach).

I could build python-ldap 2.0.9 after I removed 'sasl2' from the  
'libs' line in setup.cfg, OSX doesn't seem to have the header files  
needed for sasl support in python-ldap.

Ronald

From eichin at metacarta.com  Sun Aug 14 19:17:31 2005
From: eichin at metacarta.com (eichin@metacarta.com)
Date: 14 Aug 2005 13:17:31 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on
	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OF8B94FC6D.1A15BF82-ON8625705D.00546C92-8625705D.00558AAA@omsdal.com>
References: <OF8B94FC6D.1A15BF82-ON8625705D.00546C92-8625705D.00558AAA@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <s9xy874zbdg.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>

I suspect the original mention of LDAP was a bit of a distraction -
that's only useful for authORIZATION (ie. getting lists of groups and
acls that a user has and *deciding* what they can do, once you know
who they are - it's the knowing who they are part that is
authENTICATION, which is done with kerberos.)

What the original left out was: how do the client and server talk to
each other?  The most common case is for the server to be HTTP and the
authentication to be "Negotiate", which ends up either passing GSSAPI
tokens or falling back to NTLM (which is, hopefully, disabled.)

If that's the protocol you care about, you can look at how firefox
implements it (Safari still doesn't seem to, though it is *supposed*
to in tiger I've yet to get it to work - and it probably wouldn't help
you as much as the firefox code does.)

If it isn't, then what matters is what your protocol actually does.
It doesn't make any sense to me that the *client* would do ldap
authorization lookups, simply because it could just as easily "make up
answers" and present them to the server - the client is on the wrong
side of the trust boundary...



From adriano at euma.com  Mon Aug 15 01:14:12 2005
From: adriano at euma.com (Adriano)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 01:14:12 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython apps keep crashing on me :-(
Message-ID: <a06230902bf256178f5ad@[192.168.0.20]>

Hello all,

I have some problems and some questions about some wxPython based 
apps I'd like to use.

They are Boa Constructor, wxGlade and probably also XRCed

I downloaded the prepackaged version by Kevin Walzer and I have the 
first question for him (I hope he's reading). The package that 
contained Spe-OsX, wxGlade and XRCed (I think) was on the WordTech 
site and it seems it's not there any longer. Are they ? What happened 
?

The problem I have is that I try to follow the tutorials, the one for 
wxGlade and the one for Boa, and they keep crashing :-(
I start again and repeat from scratch and they crash again at a 
different step !
I'm on an ibook with MacOs X 10.4.1.

Now, I have two (2) versions of wxPython on my machine. The one from 
Apple and it's the 2.5.x and another one I installed (I don't 
remember where I got it) and it's 2.6.1.0

If I open the "About..." window in wxGlade I read it's wxGlade 
0.4cvs, on Python 2.4.1 (I installed it, don't remember where I got 
it) and wxPython 2.6.1.0

Another question: how can I choose which python and which wxPython 
should they run with? If I launch wxGlade it chooses Python 2.4.1 
which has wxPython 2.6.x in its path.

I'd like to try with Python 2.3 that has wxPython 2.5.x in its path. 
How can I manage this ?

One more question: can anyone discuss my idea of trying with Python 
2.3 and wxPython 2.5.x  ? Does anyone know any reason why this test 
is going to fail anyway ? I have a strong suspect that it's going to 
fail :-(

Could it help if I copy and paste a stacktrace of one of those crashes ?

Ok this is a good bunch of questions and problems ;-)

Thanks SO much for any help
Bye
Catonano

P.S. I repeated the Boa tutorial and reached the phase in which I 
should add a menubar to my app. It ALWAYS crash at that point. I 
copied and pasted the crash report. I think it could be useful to who 
can read it. Thanks so much



Date/Time:      2005-08-15 01:05:24.983 +0200
OS Version:     10.4.2 (Build 8C46)
Report Version: 3

Command: Python
Path:    /Users/adri/Desktop/SPE-OSX/Boa Constructor.app/Contents/MacOS/Python
Parent:  WindowServer [63]

Version: ??? (???)

PID:    328
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

Thread 0 Crashed:
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wxWindow::GetClientAreaOrigin() const + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
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4   org.python.python       	0x1007a230 PyEval_EvalFrame + 9128 
(ceval.c:2206)
5   org.python.python       	0x1007b284 PyEval_EvalCodeEx + 2152 
(ceval.c:2730)
6   org.python.python       	0x1007c8cc fast_function + 356 (ceval.c:3644)
7   org.python.python       	0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044 (ceval.c:3568)
8   org.python.python       	0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888 
(ceval.c:2163)
9   org.python.python       	0x1007c83c fast_function + 212 (ceval.c:3631)
10  org.python.python       	0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044 (ceval.c:3568)
11  org.python.python       	0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888 
(ceval.c:2163)
12  org.python.python       	0x1007c83c fast_function + 212 (ceval.c:3631)
13  org.python.python       	0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044 (ceval.c:3568)
14  org.python.python       	0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888 
(ceval.c:2163)
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16  org.python.python       	0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044 (ceval.c:3568)
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(ceval.c:2163)
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(ceval.c:2163)
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(ceval.c:2730)
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27  org.python.python       	0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888 
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56  org.python.python       	0x1007b284 PyEval_EvalCodeEx + 2152 
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59  org.python.python       	0x10015a88 instancemethod_call + 796 
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60  org.python.python       	0x1000c348 PyObject_Call + 48 (abstract.c:1752)
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(funcobject.c:548)
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From w.northcott at unsw.edu.au  Mon Aug 15 02:11:34 2005
From: w.northcott at unsw.edu.au (Bill Northcott)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 10:11:34 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython apps keep crashing on me :-(
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11966.1124061270.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.11966.1124061270.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <2F31DED9-07F6-4FC6-96DC-8490AFDBBE63@unsw.edu.au>

On 15/08/2005, at 9:14 AM, Adriano  wrote:
> They are Boa Constructor, wxGlade and probably also XRCed
>
> I downloaded the prepackaged version by Kevin Walzer and I have the  
> first question for him (I hope he's reading). The package that  
> contained Spe-OsX, wxGlade and XRCed (I think) was on the WordTech  
> site and it seems it's not there any longer. Are they ? What  
> happened ?
>
> The problem I have is that I try to follow the tutorials, the one  
> for wxGlade and the one for Boa, and they keep crashing :-(
> I start again and repeat from scratch and they crash again at a  
> different step !
> I'm on an ibook with MacOs X 10.4.1.
>
> Now, I have two (2) versions of wxPython on my machine. The one  
> from Apple and it's the 2.5.x and another one I installed (I don't  
> remember where I got it) and it's 2.6.1.0
>
> If I open the "About..." window in wxGlade I read it's wxGlade  
> 0.4cvs, on Python 2.4.1 (I installed it, don't remember where I got  
> it) and wxPython 2.6.1.0
>
> Another question: how can I choose which python and which wxPython  
> should they run with? If I launch wxGlade it chooses Python 2.4.1  
> which has wxPython 2.6.x in its path.
>
A couple of thoughts:
1.  You seem to be using a G3 cpu.  It is possible that at least one  
of the various bits you have downloaded is using Altivec.
2.  Why not try building Python sources from scratch?  Get g77 from  
hpc.sourceforge.net and select gcc-3.3 by doing 'sudo gcc_select 3.3'.
Trash all your other non-Apple libraries and don't use Fink.  If  
Apple can build the version that comes installed with Tiger you  
should be able to build on your system without a load of questionable  
binaries.

The version of python you use will be the one which comes first in  
your PATH.  Try 'which python' which will tell you.  Apple puts  
symlinks in /usr/bin.  If your home built/otherwise obtained Python  
comes before /usr/bin in the PATH it will be used.

Bill Northcott

From kevino at tulane.edu  Mon Aug 15 03:12:00 2005
From: kevino at tulane.edu (Kevin Ollivier)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 18:12:00 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython apps keep crashing on me :-(
In-Reply-To: <a06230902bf256178f5ad@[192.168.0.20]>
References: <a06230902bf256178f5ad@[192.168.0.20]>
Message-ID: <BC53517C-3B0B-4343-AFE5-F4C347971D5F@tulane.edu>

Hi Adriano,

On Aug 14, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Adriano wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have some problems and some questions about some wxPython based
> apps I'd like to use.
>
> They are Boa Constructor, wxGlade and probably also XRCed
>
> I downloaded the prepackaged version by Kevin Walzer and I have the
> first question for him (I hope he's reading). The package that
> contained Spe-OsX, wxGlade and XRCed (I think) was on the WordTech
> site and it seems it's not there any longer. Are they ? What happened
> ?
>
> The problem I have is that I try to follow the tutorials, the one for
> wxGlade and the one for Boa, and they keep crashing :-(
> I start again and repeat from scratch and they crash again at a
> different step !
> I'm on an ibook with MacOs X 10.4.1.

What would be of most help is a detailed set of instructions about  
the last few things you did before the crash occurred, particularly  
the very last thing you did before a crash occurred. This will help  
us pin down the code that's causing the problem. Like "I clicked on  
button X, then selected menu option Y, then it crashed."

> Now, I have two (2) versions of wxPython on my machine. The one from
> Apple and it's the 2.5.x and another one I installed (I don't
> remember where I got it) and it's 2.6.1.0
>
> If I open the "About..." window in wxGlade I read it's wxGlade
> 0.4cvs, on Python 2.4.1 (I installed it, don't remember where I got
> it) and wxPython 2.6.1.0
>
> Another question: how can I choose which python and which wxPython
> should they run with? If I launch wxGlade it chooses Python 2.4.1
> which has wxPython 2.6.x in its path.
>
> I'd like to try with Python 2.3 that has wxPython 2.5.x in its path.
> How can I manage this ?

You would have to download the source distributions for these  
programs, then run them from the command line by explicitly calling '/ 
usr/bin/pythonw' rather than just typing 'pythonw'.

Note that this is assuming you didn't install another version of  
wxPython for Python 2.3 in addition to the system-supplied 2.5.3  
distribution.

> One more question: can anyone discuss my idea of trying with Python
> 2.3 and wxPython 2.5.x  ? Does anyone know any reason why this test
> is going to fail anyway ? I have a strong suspect that it's going to
> fail :-(

Well, 2.5.3 is missing out on all the bug fixes made between 2.5.3  
and 2.6.1.0, of which there were many. Chances are you're just as  
likely to get the same crash on an older version as the newer one.  
You may even get other crashes as well. Your best bet is to test  
against the 2.6.x stable releases and report whatever crashes/bugs  
you run into.

> Could it help if I copy and paste a stacktrace of one of those  
> crashes ?

If the bug cannot be reproduced, then this might help, but it would  
be far more helpful if you could teach us how to get the crash to  
happen so that we can crash the programs ourselves.
;-) (And then figure out what's causing it to crash!)

Thanks,

Kevin

> Ok this is a good bunch of questions and problems ;-)
>
> Thanks SO much for any help
> Bye
> Catonano
>
> P.S. I repeated the Boa tutorial and reached the phase in which I
> should add a menubar to my app. It ALWAYS crash at that point. I
> copied and pasted the crash report. I think it could be useful to who
> can read it. Thanks so much
>
>
>
> Date/Time:      2005-08-15 01:05:24.983 +0200
> OS Version:     10.4.2 (Build 8C46)
> Report Version: 3
>
> Command: Python
> Path:    /Users/adri/Desktop/SPE-OSX/Boa Constructor.app/Contents/ 
> MacOS/Python
> Parent:  WindowServer [63]
>
> Version: ??? (???)
>
> PID:    328
> Thread: 0
>
> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
>
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> (ceval.c:2206)
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> (ceval.c:2730)
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From kevino at tulane.edu  Mon Aug 15 06:27:21 2005
From: kevino at tulane.edu (Kevin Ollivier)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:27:21 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Boa OS X menubar bug (Re: wxPython apps keep
	crashing on me :-( )
In-Reply-To: <a06230902bf256178f5ad@[192.168.0.20]>
References: <a06230902bf256178f5ad@[192.168.0.20]>
Message-ID: <7072F43C-6FFC-463B-9D6F-EE4158915B83@tulane.edu>

Hi Adriano,

I'm bringing one of the Boa core developers in on this in order to  
fill him in on the details of this bug. Riaan, Adriano's setup is  
Python 2.4, wxPython 2.6.1.0, on OS X 10.4.2. I'm not sure what  
version of Boa he's using, but I see the same problem in the 0.4.4  
release.

On Aug 14, 2005, at 4:14 PM, Adriano wrote:

[snip]

> P.S. I repeated the Boa tutorial and reached the phase in which I
> should add a menubar to my app. It ALWAYS crash at that point. I
> copied and pasted the crash report. I think it could be useful to who
> can read it. Thanks so much

What is happening is that when Boa loads and creates an object (i.e.  
wxMenuBar), it loads up RTTI.py and tests the various functions (at  
least getters) that can be called on wxMenuBar using the  
getMethodType function. In this case, it is calling  
wxMenuBar::GetClientRect (really, wxWindow::GetClientRect), but for  
whatever reason the wxMenuBar C++ object is not prepared for a  
GetClientRect() call and thus crashes.

I say 'for whatever reason' because I didn't go through the Boa code  
well enough to know exactly what state the wxMenuBar is when this  
function is being called, but my guess is just that regardless,  
GetClientRect() on Mac doesn't expect to be called from wxMenuBar. On  
Mac, wxMenuBar really isn't a wxWindow at all but it derives from it  
for compatibility with other platforms.

I can fix things at the wxMac/C++ level for GetClientRect (actually,  
GetClientSize and GetClientAreaOrigin), but that won't make it into  
wxPython until the next release. However, I do have to wonder why the  
getters are actually being called and tested. If the getter call  
fails somewhere in the C++ code, it could lead to an assert at best,  
or crash at worst, for anyone trying to use Boa.

Thanks,

Kevin

>
> Date/Time:      2005-08-15 01:05:24.983 +0200
> OS Version:     10.4.2 (Build 8C46)
> Report Version: 3
>
> Command: Python
> Path:    /Users/adri/Desktop/SPE-OSX/Boa Constructor.app/Contents/ 
> MacOS/Python
> Parent:  WindowServer [63]
>
> Version: ??? (???)
>
> PID:    328
> Thread: 0
>
> Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
> Codes:      KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
>
> Thread 0 Crashed:
> 0   libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib     0x010fde68
> wxWindow::GetClientAreaOrigin() const + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
> 1   _core_.so                   0x00687d08 wxGBSpan_helper(_object*,
> wxGBSpan**) + 276040
> 2   org.python.python           0x1000c348 PyObject_Call + 48  
> (abstract.c:1752)
> 3   org.python.python           0x1007ce34 ext_do_call + 972  
> (ceval.c:3824)
> 4   org.python.python           0x1007a230 PyEval_EvalFrame + 9128
> (ceval.c:2206)
> 5   org.python.python           0x1007b284 PyEval_EvalCodeEx + 2152
> (ceval.c:2730)
> 6   org.python.python           0x1007c8cc fast_function + 356  
> (ceval.c:3644)
> 7   org.python.python           0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044  
> (ceval.c:3568)
> 8   org.python.python           0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888
> (ceval.c:2163)
> 9   org.python.python           0x1007c83c fast_function + 212  
> (ceval.c:3631)
> 10  org.python.python           0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044  
> (ceval.c:3568)
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> (ceval.c:3568)
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> (ceval.c:2163)
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> (ceval.c:3631)
> 16  org.python.python           0x1007c6c4 call_function + 1044  
> (ceval.c:3568)
> 17  org.python.python           0x1007a140 PyEval_EvalFrame + 8888
> (ceval.c:2163)
> 18  org.python.python           0x1007c83c fast_function + 212  
> (ceval.c:3631)
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> (ceval.c:2163)
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> (ceval.c:2730)
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> (abstract.c:1752)
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From pythondeveloper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 17:13:22 2005
From: pythondeveloper at gmail.com (Scott Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:13:22 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
In-Reply-To: <183D565B-0F6F-4FC1-9CA0-E0B975102723@meteo.fr>
References: <mailman.1.1123840802.21363.c++-sig@python.org>
	<183D565B-0F6F-4FC1-9CA0-E0B975102723@meteo.fr>
Message-ID: <86afeadf050815081335ed3b4b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Hubert - I will look into it.

On 8/12/05, Hubert Holin <Hubert.Holin at meteo.fr> wrote:
> [Xposted and followups to pythonmac list which is perhaps more
> appropriate]
> 
> Somewhere in the E.U., le 12/08/2005
> 
>     Bonjour
> 
> 
> On 12 ao?t 2005, at 12:00, c++-sig-request at python.org wrote:
> 
> > Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 13:49:08 -0400
> > From: Scott Kaplan <pythondeveloper at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [C++-sig] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
> > To: Development of Python/C++ integration <c++-sig at python.org>
> > Message-ID: <86afeadf05081110495776a14b at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> >
> > Being new to Python, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good IDE
> > that would let me develop Python and add extensions in C/C++, with the
> > capability of debugging those extensions.
> >
> > This will be on a Mac.
> >
> > It looks like the standard download comes with PyObjC, however I want
> > to extend Python to handle my C/C++ extensions not the other way
> > around + I don't want to have to learn any ObjectiveC / ObjC syntax.
> >
> > Thanks,
> 
>         Well, if you do not want to create GUIs, but do want to use
> one, it is possible to use XCode (2.1, though the last few previous
> versions would presumably also work).
> 
>         More precisely, you can launch the command-line Python from
> within XCode with a chosen script as argument (and any other
> arguments you may care about), and of course you can do the C++
> programming within that environment. I have not actually tried to
> have a custom Python extension used in such a setting, but it is in
> my current work plan. You can even use the free (and excellent)
> TextWrangler as the code editor (for C++ and Python). The debugging
> of the extension can then be done using XCode's front-end to GDB. For
> debugging of Python scripts proper, however, the (free) PythonIDE is
> preferable, though (which leads to: development of scripts within
> PythonIDE, extension coding and integration in XCode). You are, as
> well, not restricted to using the Apple-supplied version of Python.
> 
>         As an example, I installed Bob Ippolito's "Official
> Unofficial" Python 2.4.1. I then created an XCode project (***empty
> project***) "Python via XCode", added a target "Invoked Snake" (of
> type aggregate), and to it added a custom executable "Python 2.4.1
> (Official Unofficial)", setting its properties as "Executable path: /
> Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/bin/python" and with
> an argument ""/Users/hubertholin/Documents/Scratch/Python via Xcode/
> test.py"" (adding quotes around path arguments is safer... note the
> whitespaces). Clicking on the "Build and Go" icon then invoked python
> with my test script as argument.
> 
>         The creation of extensions should be straightforward from
> the Boost.Python documentation (so far, I have only tried embedding,
> not extension, which is on my to-do list). I am still trying to
> refine the process to something I like, though.
> 
>         As far as Objective-C and Objective-C++ are concerned, I
> only see them as something of an inconvenience, much as in the same
> way that Apple's system documentation had long been geared towards
> Pascal rather than C. PyObjC goes a long way to ease our suffering,
> though there are some rough spots still (and the Python Carbon
> bindings need a full overhaul). It should be said that Interface
> Builder is superb, though, and in the absence of a NIB to whatever-
> portable-package Python will understand (like there appears to be for
> PERL), if one wants GUIs, then building them in IB, using PyObjC as
> the glue (using documentation written for ObjC) and extending with C+
> + is a possible road. At least that's the road I am taking, and if
> anybody's interested I'll report back if it actually leads
> somewhere :-)    .
> 
>     Bon courage
> 
>             Hubert Holin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

From pythondeveloper at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 17:19:52 2005
From: pythondeveloper at gmail.com (Scott Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Is there a good Python C/C++ IDE?
In-Reply-To: <F3C3738B-3B81-4FE9-90EA-FFC286D384EF@walford.asn.au>
References: <86afeadf050810095249a6d3b@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3C3738B-3B81-4FE9-90EA-FFC286D384EF@walford.asn.au>
Message-ID: <86afeadf050815081932e274a1@mail.gmail.com>

Kris, jEdit looks very powerful.  It turns out my exact question got
answered in another group.  Thanks.

On 8/10/05, Kris Kopicki <krisk at walford.asn.au> wrote:
> While not quite an IDE, I use jEdit (www.jedit.org). This editor has
> almost every feature you could want, and editing files remotely over
> ssh is very useful for servers.
> 
> Kris
> 
> 
> On 11/08/2005, at 2:22 AM, Scott Kaplan wrote:
> 
> > Being new to Python, I was wondering if anyone knows of a good IDE
> > that would let me develop Python and add extensions in C/C++, with the
> > capability of debugging those extensions.
> >
> > I have a Mac XServe running version 10.2.X
> >
> > It looks like the standard download comes with PyObjC, however I want
> > to extend Python to handle my C/C++ extensions not the other way
> > around + I don't want to have to learn any ObjectiveC / ObjC syntax.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > _______________________________________________
> > Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
> >
> >
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------
> Kris Kopicki
> Systems Administrator
> Walford Anglican School for Girls Inc.
> 316 Unley Road, Hyde Park
> SA 5061 Australia
> 
> Web:    http://www.walford.asn.au
> Phone:    +61-8-82726555
> Fax:        +61-8-82720313
> Mobile:    +61407790415
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

From magnus at hetland.org  Mon Aug 15 17:43:08 2005
From: magnus at hetland.org (Magnus Lie Hetland)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:43:08 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Native Carbon drawing and PyObjC?
Message-ID: <20050815154308.GA775@idi.ntnu.no>

Does anyone know if it's possible to combine the Carbon interface that
ships with OS X and PyObjC Cocoa programming (i.e. use the Apple
Carbon interface to draw on views created with PyObjC)?

-- 
Magnus Lie Hetland
http://hetland.org

From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Mon Aug 15 18:33:10 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:33:10 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <s9xy874zbdg.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>
Message-ID: <OFFFA18178.11F6692C-ON8625705E.0056AA38-8625705E.005AEE1D@omsdal.com>

eichin at metacarta.com wrote on 08/14/2005 12:17:31 PM:

> I suspect the original mention of LDAP was a bit of a distraction -
> that's only useful for authORIZATION (ie. getting lists of groups and
> acls that a user has and *deciding* what they can do, once you know
> who they are - it's the knowing who they are part that is
> authENTICATION, which is done with kerberos.)

I haven't even started working on authorization. The first problem
is just basic authentication. Some LDAP servers, such as Active Directory,
supposedly supports authentication with queries, so if a username and
password are included as parameters to a query, they will be handled
appropriately. The part I'm not yet clear on has to do with the
requirements on such queries. For instance, Apple's OpenLDAP comes
with SASL authentication, but I haven't yet gotten that to work.
I've tried testing various parameters to the ldapsearch command,
for instance:

ldapsearch -h adserver.ourdomain.org -D "cn=myuserid" -w mypassword -b 
"dc=OURDOMAIN,dc=ORG"

...and here is the error I get on Mac OS 10.4.2:

SASL/GSSAPI authentication started
ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Local error (-2)
        additional info: SASL(-1): generic failure:
                GSSAPI Error: Miscellaneous failure (No credentials cache 
found)

> It doesn't make any sense to me that the *client* would do ldap
> authorization lookups, simply because it could just as easily "make up
> answers" and present them to the server - the client is on the wrong
> side of the trust boundary...

I thought one of the key concepts of Kerberos was that the password
is only ever sent to the authentication server by a client, and that
the username and password would never be sent to the application server.
Instead, a Kerberos ticket would be sent, and the application server
would inspect the ticket for validity. Therefore, the client should
never need to send a password to the app server, and the app server
would never be in a position to collect user passwords.

> What the original left out was: how do the client and server talk to
> each other?  The most common case is for the server to be HTTP and the
> authentication to be "Negotiate", which ends up either passing GSSAPI
> tokens or falling back to NTLM (which is, hopefully, disabled.)

The client and server communicate via XML-RPC in the case of the
app I'm working on.


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
 
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From chairos at gmail.com  Mon Aug 15 18:59:26 2005
From: chairos at gmail.com (Jon Rosebaugh)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:59:26 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and python
	unicode types
Message-ID: <ad60861a05081509593ec1354d@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/14/05, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>On 13-aug-2005, at 10:52, Jon Rosebaugh wrote:
>> You're right, it wasn't the problem; I'm kinda ashamed that I didn't
>> notice it now, because the self.Name was a unicode string too, and it
>> worked fine. Turns out that self.Data was a objc.pyobjc_unicode
>> object, since it had gone through the bridge and back. Sorry to
>> trouble you.
>
>That still sounds fishy. If I understand you correctly you have a  
>pyobjc_unicode object that is not an empty string (that is  
>"theString != ''"), but is an empty string when converted back to  
>Objective-C. Could you elaborate on what you're doing? Unless the  
>Objective-C strings is an NSMutableString and someone is mutating it  
>behind your back the value in python should be the same as the value  
>in ObjC.

Yeah. um. Basically, the pyobjc_unicode object is not an empty string.
(I get this object by calling editor.string(), where editor is a
NSTextView instance.) But when I try to feed it into a NSMutableArray
via addObject:, the resulting array has an empty string where the
pyobjc_unicode's contents should be.

However, if I feed unicode(self.Data) into the NSMutableArray, it
contains the string it should.

Moreover, when I create a tiny demo of the problem, it actually works
fine, which means I probably have crufty code somewhere. Hate it when
that happens.

From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Mon Aug 15 19:13:11 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:13:11 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Native Carbon drawing and PyObjC?
In-Reply-To: <20050815154308.GA775@idi.ntnu.no>
References: <20050815154308.GA775@idi.ntnu.no>
Message-ID: <D91A431D-1F7D-4CAD-9B9C-4E05CF302E0E@mac.com>


On 15-aug-2005, at 17:43, Magnus Lie Hetland wrote:

> Does anyone know if it's possible to combine the Carbon interface that
> ships with OS X and PyObjC Cocoa programming (i.e. use the Apple
> Carbon interface to draw on views created with PyObjC)?

Why would you want to do that? Cocoa's drawing ablities are good  
enough for me, but then again I don't do much drawing anyway :-)

PyObjC NSWindow.windowRef will return a Carbon type, as will  
NSQuickDrawView.qdPort.

Ronald

>
> -- 
> Magnus Lie Hetland
> http://hetland.org
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Mon Aug 15 19:25:34 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 19:25:34 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] strange behavior with NSArray and
	python	unicode types
In-Reply-To: <ad60861a05081509593ec1354d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ad60861a05081509593ec1354d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63A18D2C-1298-4788-BCB9-F5DEDD066BB2@mac.com>


On 15-aug-2005, at 18:59, Jon Rosebaugh wrote:

> On 8/14/05, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>
>> On 13-aug-2005, at 10:52, Jon Rosebaugh wrote:
>>
>>> You're right, it wasn't the problem; I'm kinda ashamed that I didn't
>>> notice it now, because the self.Name was a unicode string too,  
>>> and it
>>> worked fine. Turns out that self.Data was a objc.pyobjc_unicode
>>> object, since it had gone through the bridge and back. Sorry to
>>> trouble you.
>>>
>>
>> That still sounds fishy. If I understand you correctly you have a
>> pyobjc_unicode object that is not an empty string (that is
>> "theString != ''"), but is an empty string when converted back to
>> Objective-C. Could you elaborate on what you're doing? Unless the
>> Objective-C strings is an NSMutableString and someone is mutating it
>> behind your back the value in python should be the same as the value
>> in ObjC.
>>
>
> Yeah. um. Basically, the pyobjc_unicode object is not an empty string.
> (I get this object by calling editor.string(), where editor is a
> NSTextView instance.) But when I try to feed it into a NSMutableArray
> via addObject:, the resulting array has an empty string where the
> pyobjc_unicode's contents should be.
>
> However, if I feed unicode(self.Data) into the NSMutableArray, it
> contains the string it should.

NSTextView.string (or rather NSText.string) returns a reference to  
the backing store of the view. Given:

     aTextView = <some NSTextView>
     body = aTextView.string()
     aTextView.selectAll_(None)
     aTextView.delete_(None)

At the end of this block body is pointing to an empty  
NSMutableString. However, the python value of the string is whatever  
was in the textview at the call to aTextView.string. This is one  
point where the bridge is showing true: python's unicode and  
pyobjc_unicode are immutable types (necessary to make it possible to  
use them as dict keys), while NSMutableString is (obviously) mutable.  
The sad result is that pyobjc_unicode instances don't reflect changes  
in the underlying NSMutableString.

The best workaround is to copy the string when dealing with mutable  
strings and you don't want to see the changes (e.g. use unicode 
(aTextView.string())), or to get a direct reference to the  
NSMutableString when you do want to see updates (use aTextView.string 
().nsstring()) and explicitly convert the string to unicode whenever  
you need to pass the value to a normal python API).

Ronald

>
> Moreover, when I create a tiny demo of the problem, it actually works
> fine, which means I probably have crufty code somewhere. Hate it when
> that happens.
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>


From eichin at metacarta.com  Mon Aug 15 19:48:56 2005
From: eichin at metacarta.com (eichin@metacarta.com)
Date: 15 Aug 2005 13:48:56 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OFFFA18178.11F6692C-ON8625705E.0056AA38-8625705E.005AEE1D@omsdal.com>
References: <OFFFA18178.11F6692C-ON8625705E.0056AA38-8625705E.005AEE1D@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <s9xfytbnl9z.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>


> I thought one of the key concepts of Kerberos was that the password
> is only ever sent to the authentication server by a client, and that

Horrors no.  This is one of the common misconceptions about Kerberos.
The password is *never sent anywhere*.   Not to application servers,
and not to the authentication server either.

Instead, the login client (kinit, or loginwindow or whatever) requests
an "initial ticket" - and then takes your password, turns it into a
key, and uses that key to decrypt the ticket.  (There are some good
articles on this, I don't want to duplicate them here, and I'm fudging
around preauth as well.)

An application that uses Kerberos uses that initial ticket to get
other tickets, and present those to the service - so a client
*application* that uses kerberos doesn't even ever see the user's
password.


From njriley at uiuc.edu  Mon Aug 15 20:00:27 2005
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 13:00:27 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OFFFA18178.11F6692C-ON8625705E.0056AA38-8625705E.005AEE1D@omsdal.com>
References: <s9xy874zbdg.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>
	<OFFFA18178.11F6692C-ON8625705E.0056AA38-8625705E.005AEE1D@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <20050815180027.GA19467@uiuc.edu>

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 11:33:10AM -0500, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:
> I haven't even started working on authorization. The first problem
> is just basic authentication. Some LDAP servers, such as Active Directory,
> supposedly supports authentication with queries, so if a username and
> password are included as parameters to a query, they will be handled
> appropriately. The part I'm not yet clear on has to do with the
> requirements on such queries. For instance, Apple's OpenLDAP comes
> with SASL authentication, but I haven't yet gotten that to work.
> I've tried testing various parameters to the ldapsearch command,
> for instance:
> 
> ldapsearch -h adserver.ourdomain.org -D "cn=myuserid" -w mypassword -b 
> "dc=OURDOMAIN,dc=ORG"
> 
> ...and here is the error I get on Mac OS 10.4.2:
> 
> SASL/GSSAPI authentication started
> ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Local error (-2)
>         additional info: SASL(-1): generic failure:
>                 GSSAPI Error: Miscellaneous failure (No credentials cache 
> found)
[...]
> I thought one of the key concepts of Kerberos was that the password
> is only ever sent to the authentication server by a client, and that
> the username and password would never be sent to the application server.
> Instead, a Kerberos ticket would be sent, and the application server
> would inspect the ticket for validity. Therefore, the client should
> never need to send a password to the app server, and the app server
> would never be in a position to collect user passwords.

These statements seem incompatible.  Above, you're (attempting to)
send your password to the LDAP server directly.  Instead, you need to
get a Kerberos TGT first, with kinit or the Kerberos app, and then
ldapsearch should work without a password.

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Mon Aug 15 22:46:31 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 15:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory
	authentication	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <s9xfytbnl9z.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>
Message-ID: <OFE54C6062.A3305D69-ON8625705E.0070B5D4-8625705E.00722025@omsdal.com>

eichin at metacarta.com wrote on 08/15/2005 12:48:56 PM:

> 
> > I thought one of the key concepts of Kerberos was that the password
> > is only ever sent to the authentication server by a client, and that
> 
> Horrors no.  This is one of the common misconceptions about Kerberos.
> The password is *never sent anywhere*.   Not to application servers,
> and not to the authentication server either.
> 
> Instead, the login client (kinit, or loginwindow or whatever) requests
> an "initial ticket" - and then takes your password, turns it into a
> key, and uses that key to decrypt the ticket.  (There are some good
> articles on this, I don't want to duplicate them here, and I'm fudging
> around preauth as well.)
> 
> An application that uses Kerberos uses that initial ticket to get
> other tickets, and present those to the service - so a client
> *application* that uses kerberos doesn't even ever see the user's
> password.

Thanks for setting me straight. So, I'm unclear on whether LDAP
authentication actually uses Kerberos in some underlying way
(via SASL), or whether it actually sends the password across the 
network. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree by trying to use LDAP.

A search at developer.apple.com on "Kerberos" shows many, many articles,
but I'm unclear where to start. I tried a Google search on "Python 
Kerberos",
and came up with a module called pykpass. Maybe that will be the next 
place
for me to try out...

http://www.huque.com/python/pykpass/


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From unistein at gmx.ch  Mon Aug 15 23:09:17 2005
From: unistein at gmx.ch (Peter Steiner)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:09:17 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Configuring Python for Tkinter. Please help me.
In-Reply-To: <42F91756.3080504@bersch.de>
References: <42F91756.3080504@bersch.de>
Message-ID: <1E16EAE0-C32E-4199-852F-6B94945554E9@gmx.ch>

Hello Peter

Am 09.08.2005 um 22:51 schrieb Peter Bersch:

> Dear Jack Jansen,
> I am a teacher, but with Python a Newbie. On the CD (for Windows)
> encluded in the book "Python f?r Kids" by Gregor Lingl I found the  
> class
> "turtle".

[skip]

> When importing Tkinter there is a request for _tkinter, but there  
> is noc
> such file.

Which version of OS X do you use? Some time ago I wrote a short  
instruction for OS X 10.3 to achieve the very same you tried (in  
German): http://pesche.schlau.ch/python-fuer-kids-auf-dem-macintosh/

The original instructions for getting _tkinter to work used to be on  
the pythonmac wiki, but this link is dead now. And I didn't reinstall  
the "Python f?r Kids" examples on OS X 10.4 (Tiger), so I'm afraid  
I'm of no help...

Regards, Peter
-- 
Peter Steiner <unistein at gmx.ch>
http://pesche.schlau.ch/                PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS)
PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD  639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53


From njriley at uiuc.edu  Mon Aug 15 23:19:41 2005
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 16:19:41 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory
	authentication	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OFE54C6062.A3305D69-ON8625705E.0070B5D4-8625705E.00722025@omsdal.com>
References: <s9xfytbnl9z.fsf@jackson.metacarta.com>
	<OFE54C6062.A3305D69-ON8625705E.0070B5D4-8625705E.00722025@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <20050815211941.GB24014@uiuc.edu>

On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 03:46:31PM -0500, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:
> Thanks for setting me straight. So, I'm unclear on whether LDAP
> authentication actually uses Kerberos in some underlying way
> (via SASL), or whether it actually sends the password across the 
> network. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree by trying to use LDAP.

LDAP uses SASL which uses GSSAPI which uses Kerberos (I think :).  In
several of these cases, the path you're following is one of several
plugins.

I had a lot of trouble getting SASL binding to work from Python, at
least on Linux, when I tried it a year ago.  Your best bet may be to
simply wrap kinit (to get a TGT) and ldapsearch with Python.

You can see my eventual script (in Perl, not Python, because I
couldn't get any Python module to do what I wanted) for doing a
Kerberized LDAP search against Active Directory; there are Perl
Kerberos bindings, I think, but I didn't bother using them, I just
exec'ed kinit.

<http://njr.pycs.net/weblog/2004/06/03.html#P28>

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From adriano at euma.com  Tue Aug 16 00:49:41 2005
From: adriano at euma.com (Adriano)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 00:49:41 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Boa OS X menubar bug (Re: wxPython apps keep
 crashing on me :-( )
Message-ID: <a0623090bbf26cc798467@[192.168.0.20]>

Hi Kevin,

>Hi Adriano,
>
>I'm bringing one of the Boa core developers in on this in order to 
>fill him in on the details of this bug. [...] but I see the same 
>problem in the 0.4.4 release.

Thanks so much.

>What is happening is that when Boa loads and creates an object (i.e. 
>wxMenuBar), it loads up RTTI.py and tests the various functions (at 
>least getters) that can be called on wxMenuBar using the 
>getMethodType function. In this case, it is calling 
>wxMenuBar::GetClientRect (really, wxWindow::GetClientRect), but for 
>whatever reason the wxMenuBar C++ object is not prepared for a 
>GetClientRect() call and thus crashes.
>
>I say 'for whatever reason' because I didn't go through the Boa code 
>well enough to know exactly what state the wxMenuBar is when this 
>function is being called, but my guess is just that regardless, 
>GetClientRect() on Mac doesn't expect to be called from wxMenuBar. 
>On Mac, wxMenuBar really isn't a wxWindow at all but it derives from 
>it for compatibility with other platforms.
>
>I can fix things at the wxMac/C++ level for GetClientRect (actually, 
>GetClientSize and GetClientAreaOrigin), but that won't make it into 
>wxPython until the next release.


>  However, I do have to wonder why the getters are actually being 
>called and tested. If the getter call fails somewhere in the C++ 
>code, it could lead to an assert at best, or crash at worst, for 
>anyone trying to use Boa.
>
>Thanks,

Kevin, thanks to YOU !

Ok, now I want to say a few things.

1) If you will fix the c++ side of this matter I'd be really grateful !

2) I understand that the fix will be available in the next release of 
wxPython but don't worry. I have no commitment to this project I was 
just trying to help. I think I'll try to use Boa on any Linux distro 
I could install on my machine. I hope wx stuff is more stable, there. 
As far as I could see, Boa is really nice and it is able to support 
the creation of a GUI app  well enough, for me.

3) Thanks for your higly informative words about what's going on 
inside Boa that leads to this crash.

4) If I jump the menubar phase and step in the following phase I 
could go on with the tutorial. I'm sure I'll find some other crashes 
like this. Could it help if I report about them too ?

5) I found at least a crash occurring always in the same step also in 
wxGlade. Could it help if I report about that too?

Thanks so much for your help, anyhow :-)
Bye
Adriano


From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Tue Aug 16 01:57:23 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:57:23 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory
	authentication	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <20050815211941.GB24014@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <OF95800789.23F70C2A-ON8625705E.008377C4-8625705E.00839969@omsdal.com>

Thanks for the info, Nicolas. I will take a look at your Perl script.


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com

Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> wrote on 08/15/2005 04:19:41 PM:

> On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 03:46:31PM -0500, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:
> > Thanks for setting me straight. So, I'm unclear on whether LDAP
> > authentication actually uses Kerberos in some underlying way
> > (via SASL), or whether it actually sends the password across the 
> > network. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree by trying to use LDAP.
> 
> LDAP uses SASL which uses GSSAPI which uses Kerberos (I think :).  In
> several of these cases, the path you're following is one of several
> plugins.
> 
> I had a lot of trouble getting SASL binding to work from Python, at
> least on Linux, when I tried it a year ago.  Your best bet may be to
> simply wrap kinit (to get a TGT) and ldapsearch with Python.
> 
> You can see my eventual script (in Perl, not Python, because I
> couldn't get any Python module to do what I wanted) for doing a
> Kerberized LDAP search against Active Directory; there are Perl
> Kerberos bindings, I think, but I didn't bother using them, I just
> exec'ed kinit.
> 
> <http://njr.pycs.net/weblog/2004/06/03.html#P28>
> 
> -- 
> Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>
> 
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From ashearerw at shearersoftware.com  Tue Aug 16 02:54:00 2005
From: ashearerw at shearersoftware.com (Andrew Shearer)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on	 Mac using	
	Python
Message-ID: <17464c9e9a933f21e84b563b69ebb210@shearersoftware.com>

brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:
> I haven't even started working on authorization. The first problem
> is just basic authentication. Some LDAP servers, such as Active 
> Directory,
> supposedly supports authentication with queries, so if a username and
> password are included as parameters to a query, they will be handled
> appropriately. The part I'm not yet clear on has to do with the
> requirements on such queries. For instance, Apple's OpenLDAP comes
> with SASL authentication, but I haven't yet gotten that to work.
> I've tried testing various parameters to the ldapsearch command,
> for instance:
>
> ldapsearch -h adserver.ourdomain.org -D "cn=myuserid" -w mypassword -b 
> "dc=OURDOMAIN,dc=ORG"
>
> ...and here is the error I get on Mac OS 10.4.2:
>
> SASL/GSSAPI authentication started
> ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Local error (-2)
> ? ? ? ? additional info: SASL(-1): generic failure:
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? GSSAPI Error: Miscellaneous failure (No credentials 
> cache found)

You don't necessarily have to use Kerberos. Here's a command line that 
has worked for me on 10.3.9 against a Windows 2000 Active Directory 
server. It authenticates testuser at mydomain.sample.com by prompting for 
the password and then printing out some user information. (The flags 
could be simplified to do authentication only, but I don't have an AD 
server handy to test, so I didn't want to risk breaking it.)

$ ldapsearch -H ldap://mydomain.sample.com/ -D testuser -vx -b 
dc=mydomain,dc=sample,dc=com -W "(samaccountname=testuser)" sn cn fn 
uid sAMAccountName

--
Andrew Shearer
http://www.shearersoftware.com/
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From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Tue Aug 16 15:59:31 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:59:31 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD8@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>


> > Well...  It is working at this point now....
> >
> > After upgrading to 10.4.1.....  But the distribution is huge (!!) 
> > roughly 40 Mb....  I'll take a look into slimming it down in a few 
> > days...
> 
> Use PyObjC instead of wxPython and it will get a lot smaller ;)

True...  And I know your teasing... But there are several reasons that
PyObjC may not be suitable for this task.

1) I am using PythonCard for the GUI
2) I am not up to speed in PyObjC to feel that I can manage
	to use it in a timely manner.

3) This is a cross platform (Windows, Mac OS X, and possibly *Nix)
	application.  PyObjC will only help on the macintosh side...

		- Benjamin

From Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com  Tue Aug 16 16:08:49 2005
From: Benjamin.Schollnick at xerox.com (Schollnick, Benjamin)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:08:49 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] ODBC On the Macintosh via Python?
Message-ID: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD9@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>

Folks,

I have done some google research, but come up dry...

Is there a ODBC module for the Macintosh?  For example, the win32
distribution has an (old) odbc module, which works fine for my
purposes...

I am uncertain if mxODBC would work on the macintosh, but either way
it's unsuitable for my purposes...  (Licensing cost)

		- Benjamin

From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Tue Aug 16 16:40:31 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:40:31 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] ODBC On the Macintosh via Python?
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD9@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <OF878A2BF4.5B8F1BEC-ON8625705F.004FE308-8625705F.00509DDD@omsdal.com>

"Schollnick, Benjamin" wrote on 08/16/2005 09:08:49 AM:

> I have done some google research, but come up dry...
> 
> Is there a ODBC module for the Macintosh?  For example, the win32
> distribution has an (old) odbc module, which works fine for my
> purposes...
> 
> I am uncertain if mxODBC would work on the macintosh, but either way
> it's unsuitable for my purposes...  (Licensing cost)

Actual ODBC does work on the Mac:

http://www.actualtechnologies.com/

However, the only way I know of to get it to work with Python would
be to use mxODBC. I asked Actual Technologies about this and they
sent me some info about how to modify mxODBC to make it work
with Actual ODBC. I you decide to go this route, let me know and
I will forward you this info.


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From dangoor at gmail.com  Tue Aug 16 16:49:25 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:49:25 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app trying to create a symlink that already
	exists
In-Reply-To: <3f085ecd05081208161fa06e89@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3f085ecd05081208161fa06e89@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd05081607491cd329a9@mail.gmail.com>

Following up to my own message. I just got back to looking at this
again this morning and managed to fix it. I don't have the full
answer, but thought I would post what I do know.

This morning, I spotted a couple of things.

1) the unnecessary bin directory was still in the Firebird.framework
on my Panther drive. I didn't run otool to see if any of those were
pointing at suspect things.

2) there was a copy of Firebird.framework already in the
build/bdist.... directory. Deleting that ultimately fixed the problem.
Creating an embedded Firebird on the Mac is a manual process right
now, so it's possible or even likely that the Firebird copy in there
was not in the final state.

The files in the Firebird.framework directory under build were not
symlinked in the same way as the ones in /Library/Firebird.framework.
So, py2app was copying over that one with real files, and then later
tried to copy from /Library/Firebird.framework which had symlinks in
place of some of those files. That's where it failed, because
copy_tree doesn't overwrite files with symlinks.

Kevin

On 8/12/05, Kevin Dangoor <dangoor at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using the embedded version of the Firebird database, and that is
> where the problem is coming in. I built Firebird myself on both Tiger
> and Panther. I've looked at /Library/Frameworks/Firebird.framework in
> both and they look the same. So, now to what the problem is...
> 
> Looking through py2app's output, the first framework copied is
> Firebird.framework, picked up as a dependency of kinterbasdb. As
> py2app continues copying stuff over, it eventually hits
> linking /Users/tazzzzz/projects/app/dist/myapp.app/Contents/Frameworks/Firebird.framework/Firebird
> -> Versions/Current/Firebird

From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Tue Aug 16 18:27:05 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <4E82086C-001C-42BC-8B85-462C93122911@mac.com>
Message-ID: <OF4353BE70.49D5BF31-ON8625705E.005B28CE-8625705F.005A5FA0@omsdal.com>

Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren at mac.com> wrote on 08/14/2005 12:12:17 PM:

> I could build python-ldap 2.0.9 after I removed 'sasl2' from the 
> 'libs' line in setup.cfg, OSX doesn't seem to have the header files 
> needed for sasl support in python-ldap.

I was trying to include SASL because I thought that would be needed
to do secure authentication with AD. Not that I really understand
anything about SASL, I just naively expected it would be necessary
(and found that python-ldap on Windows without SASL wouldn't authenticate
to our Active Directory).

I ended up trying to build OpenLDAP and Berkeley DB from source
to so that python-ldap could use that, but failed miserably after
serveral hours of trying.

It would be really nice if python-ldap could just use the existing
OpenLDAP with SASL support on Tiger; I recall from the python-ldap
mailing list that this was do-able under Panther. 

Henning Hraban Ramm wrote on 08/14/2005 11:22:45 AM:

> > Because of the difficulty in getting python-ldap to build on Mac OS 
10.4 
> 
> Perhaps this helps:
> 
> http://twistedmatrix.com/users/tv/ldap-intro/ldap-intro.html
> http://tv.debian.net/software/ldaptor/ (based on twisted, see http:
> //twistedmatrix.com)

That looks promising...I've been playing around with Twisted at
my web hosting service...I will try building and installing on a Mac.


Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Tue Aug 16 18:43:07 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:43:07 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication on	 Mac
	using		Python
In-Reply-To: <17464c9e9a933f21e84b563b69ebb210@shearersoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OFDD9485D4.D4C74EB3-ON8625705F.005A6832-8625705F.005BD77F@omsdal.com>

Andrew Shearer wrote on 08/15/2005 07:54:00 PM:

> You don't necessarily have to use Kerberos. Here's a command line that 
> has worked for me on 10.3.9 against a Windows 2000 Active Directory 
> server. It authenticates testuser at mydomain.sample.com by prompting for 
> the password and then printing out some user information. (The flags 
> could be simplified to do authentication only, but I don't have an AD 
> server handy to test, so I didn't want to risk breaking it.)
> 
> $ ldapsearch -H ldap://mydomain.sample.com/ -D testuser -vx -b 
> dc=mydomain,dc=sample,dc=com -W "(samaccountname=testuser)" sn cn fn 
> uid sAMAccountName

That is the quick and dirty solution, but it has a couple of problems.
One is that the -x option "Simple Authentication" sends the password
across the network in clear text. The other problem is that if I call this
from a Python script I will need to include the password as a parameter
and I think the password might be visible in a ps listing (however 
briefly).

I'm not sure how big a security hole the "ps" listing represents,
and our network dept may decide the risk of sending clear text passwords
across our secure internal network is acceptable. So, this may be a 
good fallback strategy if we don't succeed in making LDAP/SASL 
authentication work,
or if developing a straight Kerberos solution proves too costly.

Using -x option on ldapsearch has worked in my testing, but I'd really
like to find out how to configure LDAP/SASL. I'm not clear on whether this 
requires
that something be done just on the Mac client side, or if it also requires 
something be
done on the Active Directory server configuration. 

Brad Allen
IT Desktop Support

brad.allen at omsdal.com
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From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 16 19:10:54 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:10:54 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Py2app & wxPython problem...
In-Reply-To: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD8@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
References: <266589E1B9392B4C9195CC25A07C73B90183CFD8@usa0300ms04.na.xerox.net>
Message-ID: <E4DA729F-FD73-47A7-B9EC-65DD944F4624@redivi.com>

On Aug 16, 2005, at 3:59 AM, Schollnick, Benjamin wrote:

>
>
>>> Well...  It is working at this point now....
>>>
>>> After upgrading to 10.4.1.....  But the distribution is huge (!!)
>>> roughly 40 Mb....  I'll take a look into slimming it down in a few
>>> days...
>>>
>>
>> Use PyObjC instead of wxPython and it will get a lot smaller ;)
>>
>
> True...  And I know your teasing... But there are several reasons that
> PyObjC may not be suitable for this task.
>
> 1) I am using PythonCard for the GUI
> 2) I am not up to speed in PyObjC to feel that I can manage
>     to use it in a timely manner.
>
> 3) This is a cross platform (Windows, Mac OS X, and possibly *Nix)
>     application.  PyObjC will only help on the macintosh side...

40mb uncompressed is the price you pay for that.. there isn't much to  
do about it.  It should get considerably smaller compressed, but C++  
has a nasty habit of generating a lot of code, and you're using a lot  
of it via wxWidgets.

-bob


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Tue Aug 16 21:31:11 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:31:11 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
Message-ID: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>

Hi all,

I'm working on a project in which we're trying to write a Web app that 
can also be run stand-alone on a non-networked machine. so far, I've got 
a little demo that creates a tiny little database-backed web site using:

Quixote
Cheetah
SQLite
pysqlite

If it's run as __main__, it starts up a little server (using Quixote 
SimpleServer) listening to localhost:8080, then uses the webbrowser 
module to start up a web browser pointing to that address. This all 
works great. In fact, I can use py2app to bundle it all up, and get a 
nice distributable clickable app that the user can click on and it fires 
up the web browser and away we go..

NOTE: Thanks Bob for py2app: It worked absolutely flawlessly for this, 
with no tweaking or anything...I'm not looking forward to the py2exe 
version....

So here's the issue:

When you start the app, it puts a little icon on the dock, and fires up 
the browser, all is good. However, if you try to start the app again, it 
doesn't do anything, as it's already running. I don't want it to start 
up again, but it would be nice if it would bring up the browser again.

I'm imagining that some sort of event is sent to the app when the user 
tries to start it up again. I'd like to catch that event and then start 
up the browser again. How would I do that...I've really only programmed 
in  Linux/Unix style and with wxPython, so I have no clue about Apple 
events and the like.

Another issue:
It puts an icon in the dock, but I don't have any wxWindows or anything, 
so it doesn't do much. The only way I can figure out how to stop it is 
to right click on the icon in the dock and select force quit. I see two 
possible solutions:

1) Have it not put an icon in the dock, and just run in the background. 
then it would just keep running forever, which would probably be OK, or 
I could have it automatically quit if it hadn't been used for some 
period of time. How do you have an app started with a double-click run 
without an icon in the dock?

2) Give it a menu, with a the usual quit, etc. items. As it doesn't have 
a window, I'm not sure it this is so good, but it might be a little more 
Mac-like. If I do this, what is the lightest weight way to give it a 
menu with the basic items.

Any thoughts are welcome.

-Chris

-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
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Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From listsub at wickedgrey.com  Tue Aug 16 21:36:17 2005
From: listsub at wickedgrey.com (Eli Stevens (WG.c))
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:36:17 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] libpython for 2.4.1 on OSX 10.3
Message-ID: <43024031.7000705@wickedgrey.com>

Hello,

List newbie here, sorry if this is a FAQ (I don't see it in the cached 
copy of the FAQ, and the wiki seems to be down).

I'm trying to get Inline::Python (allows python to be called from perl 
with very little glue) working on OSX 10.3.  I have installed the 
framework build of 2.4.1 and am able to use it, run scripts, etc.

Inline (the base for Inline::Python, Inline::C, etc.) seemd to install 
fine.  When I installed Inline::Python, however, it asked me:

> $ perl Makefile.PL 
> Found these python executables on your PATH:
> 1. /usr/local/bin/python
> 2. /usr/bin/python
> Use which? [1] 
> Using /usr/local/bin/python
> 
> This python's configuration files are messed up. You'll have have to
> answer the questions yourself. Here is what Python said:
> 
>    Extra Libs:  None
>    Python Library:  None/config/None
>    Include Path:    None
> 
>         1. LIBS option. I need to know what extra libraries, if any,  
>            are required by this build of python. I recommend this:
>            None
> 
> Enter extra libraries (e.g. -lfoo -lbar) [None] 
> 
>         2. LIBRARY option. The location of the python library. 
>            Inline::Python needs to link against it to use Python.
> 
>         Here are the libraries I know about:
> 
> Which? Or enter another. [1] /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/Python            
> 
>         3. INCLUDE option. The location of the python include files.
>            Inline::Python needs these to compile.
> 
>         Here are the locations I know about:
> 
> Which? Or enter another. [1] /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4/

Now, all of my entries above (everything after [1]) are just guesses 
that don't seem to work (I've tried fiddling with the things I gave it, 
and the include dir seems to be correct).  When I run something that 
uses Inline, I get the following:

> $ perl test.pl 
> Can't make loaded symbols global on this platform while loading /Library/Perl//darwin/auto/Inline/Python/Python.bundle at /Library/Perl//darwin/DynaLoader.pm line 229.
> dyld: /usr/local/bin/perl Undefined symbols:
> _PyCallable_Check
> _PyClass_Type
...much removed...
> __Py_NoneStruct
> __Py_TrueStruct
> Failed to autogenerate /Users/elis/code/play/perl/_Inline/config.
> 
>  at test.pl line 13
> BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at test.pl line 13.


In my searching the closest answer I have found is "use -framwork 
instead", but I'm not really in control of the code (and I'd rather not 
start munging around inside Inline internals if I don't have to).  What 
should I do?  Is there a libpython laying around somewhere that I am 
unable to locate?  Is there an easy way to build it?

Thanks for any help,
Eli




From kevino at tulane.edu  Tue Aug 16 21:45:04 2005
From: kevino at tulane.edu (Kevin Ollivier)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 12:45:04 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <4FD1AD2F-65BE-42F3-9A28-94C109C17362@tulane.edu>

Hi Chris,


On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm working on a project in which we're trying to write a Web app that
> can also be run stand-alone on a non-networked machine.

I can't answer the questions you posed below, as I do almost all of  
my Mac work with wxPython, but when I read about what you're trying  
to do I couldn't help but think that this is exactly what ActiveGrid  
AppBuilder is for:

http://www.activegrid.com

Granted, it's wxPython and thus not as lightweight, but apps you  
create with it can be run locally on the user's machine or can be  
deployed to a server with their server components installed. It  
allows you to use SQLite, Oracle, MySQL, or PostGreSQL for the  
database. It's also pretty nice for point-and-click creation of full- 
fledged database apps, so the apps are easy to customize. (See their  
Petstore demo that comes with the app.) Not sure what your exact  
needs are, but this might be at least worth a look if you haven't  
seen it already.

Kevin

> so far, I've got
> a little demo that creates a tiny little database-backed web site  
> using:
>
> Quixote
> Cheetah
> SQLite
> pysqlite
>
> If it's run as __main__, it starts up a little server (using Quixote
> SimpleServer) listening to localhost:8080, then uses the webbrowser
> module to start up a web browser pointing to that address. This all
> works great. In fact, I can use py2app to bundle it all up, and get a
> nice distributable clickable app that the user can click on and it  
> fires
> up the web browser and away we go..
>
> NOTE: Thanks Bob for py2app: It worked absolutely flawlessly for this,
> with no tweaking or anything...I'm not looking forward to the py2exe
> version....
>
> So here's the issue:
>
> When you start the app, it puts a little icon on the dock, and  
> fires up
> the browser, all is good. However, if you try to start the app  
> again, it
> doesn't do anything, as it's already running. I don't want it to start
> up again, but it would be nice if it would bring up the browser again.
>
> I'm imagining that some sort of event is sent to the app when the user
> tries to start it up again. I'd like to catch that event and then  
> start
> up the browser again. How would I do that...I've really only  
> programmed
> in  Linux/Unix style and with wxPython, so I have no clue about Apple
> events and the like.
>
> Another issue:
> It puts an icon in the dock, but I don't have any wxWindows or  
> anything,
> so it doesn't do much. The only way I can figure out how to stop it is
> to right click on the icon in the dock and select force quit. I see  
> two
> possible solutions:
>
> 1) Have it not put an icon in the dock, and just run in the  
> background.
> then it would just keep running forever, which would probably be  
> OK, or
> I could have it automatically quit if it hadn't been used for some
> period of time. How do you have an app started with a double-click run
> without an icon in the dock?
>
> 2) Give it a menu, with a the usual quit, etc. items. As it doesn't  
> have
> a window, I'm not sure it this is so good, but it might be a little  
> more
> Mac-like. If I do this, what is the lightest weight way to give it a
> menu with the basic items.
>
> Any thoughts are welcome.
>
> -Chris
>
> -- 
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
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>


From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 16 21:51:57 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 09:51:57 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>

On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:31 AM, Chris Barker wrote:

> When you start the app, it puts a little icon on the dock, and  
> fires up
> the browser, all is good. However, if you try to start the app  
> again, it
> doesn't do anything, as it's already running. I don't want it to start
> up again, but it would be nice if it would bring up the browser again.
>
> I'm imagining that some sort of event is sent to the app when the user
> tries to start it up again. I'd like to catch that event and then  
> start
> up the browser again. How would I do that...I've really only  
> programmed
> in  Linux/Unix style and with wxPython, so I have no clue about Apple
> events and the like.

IIRC, on Mac OS X, there isn't a difference between "re-launching"  
and becoming active.  Double-clicking the app should have the same  
behavior as cmd-tabbing over to it (or using expos?, or the dock,  
etc.), because LaunchServices recognizes that the application is  
already open and just tells it to activate.  Unless, of course,  
your .app is really just a launcher stub for a different process, in  
which case you could wire up your own behavior to the double-click  
because your launcher process wouldn't be around for LaunchServices  
to see post-launch.

> Another issue:
> It puts an icon in the dock, but I don't have any wxWindows or  
> anything,
> so it doesn't do much. The only way I can figure out how to stop it is
> to right click on the icon in the dock and select force quit. I see  
> two
> possible solutions:
>
> 1) Have it not put an icon in the dock, and just run in the  
> background.
> then it would just keep running forever, which would probably be  
> OK, or
> I could have it automatically quit if it hadn't been used for some
> period of time. How do you have an app started with a double-click run
> without an icon in the dock?

put LSUIElement = True in your plist (using the appropriate syntax  
for doing that).
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ 
BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/PListKeys.html

> 2) Give it a menu, with a the usual quit, etc. items. As it doesn't  
> have
> a window, I'm not sure it this is so good, but it might be a little  
> more
> Mac-like. If I do this, what is the lightest weight way to give it a
> menu with the basic items.

The absolute lightest way to do that is to write the Objective-C code  
to do it yourself, otherwise, you should use PyObjC.  The majority of  
this work is just making the menu in Interface Builder.

-bob


From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 16 22:05:05 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 10:05:05 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] libpython for 2.4.1 on OSX 10.3
In-Reply-To: <43024031.7000705@wickedgrey.com>
References: <43024031.7000705@wickedgrey.com>
Message-ID: <6B03CCA9-A550-4E4E-8354-5704B788B0F4@redivi.com>


On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Eli Stevens (WG.c) wrote:

> I'm trying to get Inline::Python (allows python to be called from perl
> with very little glue) working on OSX 10.3.  I have installed the
> framework build of 2.4.1 and am able to use it, run scripts, etc.

Sounds like their build scripts are broken.  The correct way to  
determine how to link to Python is to ask Python (via distutils, or  
read its Makefile directly).  You should talk to them about this  
problem.

However, the quick & dirty workaround would to be to do something  
like this:

sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/ 
python2.4 /usr/local/include/python2.4
sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/Python / 
usr/local/lib/libpython2.4.dylib

It should be able to use -lpython2.4 at that point, and might even  
find the include files where it expects to find them.

-bob


From njriley at uiuc.edu  Tue Aug 16 22:11:49 2005
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
	<F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <20050816201149.GA63373@uiuc.edu>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 09:51:57AM -1000, Bob Ippolito wrote:
> IIRC, on Mac OS X, there isn't a difference between "re-launching"  
> and becoming active.  Double-clicking the app should have the same  
> behavior as cmd-tabbing over to it (or using expos?, or the dock,  
> etc.), because LaunchServices recognizes that the application is  
> already open and just tells it to activate.

It used to be, back in System 7, but at some point (7.6? 8.0?) the
'aevt'/'rapp' (kAEReopenApplication) event was sent when an
application is double-clicked in the Finder and is already open.  The
same occurs when you click on the application's dock icon in OS X.

You can test this, for example, with TextEdit.  Open it, close the
untitled window, switch somewhere else, then cmd-tab to it: you don't
get an untitled window.  Then switch somewhere else and click on its
icon in the dock: you do get an untitled window.

> > Another issue: It puts an icon in the dock, but I don't have any
> > wxWindows or anything, so it doesn't do much. The only way I can
> > figure out how to stop it is to right click on the icon in the
> > dock and select force quit. I see two possible solutions:

It depends on the Web server you're using and how well it fits with
CF/NSRunLoop and friends.  Chris might be able to run a regular PyObjC
app (from which you can easily set up a NSApplication delegate to
implement applicationShouldHandleReopen_hasVisibleWindows_) and the
Web server in other threads, or not...

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Tue Aug 16 22:31:12 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:31:12 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <4FD1AD2F-65BE-42F3-9A28-94C109C17362@tulane.edu>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
	<4FD1AD2F-65BE-42F3-9A28-94C109C17362@tulane.edu>
Message-ID: <43024D10.2030603@noaa.gov>

Kevin Ollivier wrote:
> I can't answer the questions you posed below, as I do almost all of  my 
> Mac work with wxPython, but when I read about what you're trying  to do 
> I couldn't help but think that this is exactly what ActiveGrid  
> AppBuilder is for:
> 
> http://www.activegrid.com
> 
> Granted, it's wxPython and thus not as lightweight, but apps you  create 
> with it can be run locally on the user's machine or can be  deployed to 
> a server with their server components installed. It  allows you to use 
> SQLite, Oracle, MySQL, or PostGreSQL for the  database. It's also pretty 
> nice for point-and-click creation of full- fledged database apps, so the 
> apps are easy to customize. (See their  Petstore demo that comes with 
> the app.) Not sure what your exact  needs are, but this might be at 
> least worth a look if you haven't  seen it already.

No, I hadn't. It's a little hard to tell what the heck it really is from 
the web page..the usual marketing-speak, no mention of wx, for instance. 
However, these are our needs:

The web version needs to run on a basic browser, with not extra plug-ins 
or custom clients.

We'd like to make the stand-alone version share as much code as possible 
with the web version. That means the same GUI, which means it would run 
in a browser. It also needs to be a simple install, i.e. not MySQL + 
apache + our app. Activegrid really doesn't seem to provide this, but 
I'll look into it more.

While I'm talking to Kevin: The other idea I had was to use wxMozilla, 
to embed a browser in a wxPython app, then we could use the same code to 
generate all the HTML, and display the UI through wxMozilla, without 
having to use a client-server set up and http. This came up because 
apparently some Windows systems turn off all TCP/IP when the Ethernet 
cable is disconnected.

My question is: with wxMozilla, can you capture all the GET and/or POST 
events, so that you can essentially run a web app and browser all within 
one process?

-Chris

-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug 17 00:02:04 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:02:04 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
	<F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <4302625C.3000101@noaa.gov>

Bob Ippolito wrote:
> IIRC, on Mac OS X, there isn't a difference between "re-launching"  and 
> becoming active.  Double-clicking the app should have the same  behavior 
> as cmd-tabbing over to it (or using expos?, or the dock,  etc.), because 
> LaunchServices recognizes that the application is  already open and just 
> tells it to activate.

Nicholas Riley wrote:
> It used to be, back in System 7, but at some point (7.6? 8.0?) the
> 'aevt'/'rapp' (kAEReopenApplication) event was sent when an
> application is double-clicked in the Finder and is already open.  The
> same occurs when you click on the application's dock icon in OS X.

OK, so how do I catch the 'aevt'/'rapp' (kAEReopenApplication) event?

> It depends on the Web server you're using and how well it fits with
> CF/NSRunLoop and friends.  Chris might be able to run a regular PyObjC
> app (from which you can easily set up a NSApplication delegate to
> implement applicationShouldHandleReopen_hasVisibleWindows_) and the
> Web server in other threads, or not...

So, even if all I want to do is catch that OpenApplication event, I 
would need to have a PyObjApp running, event loop and all? Which may not 
be a big deal, but I will have to deal with Nicholas' issue of the web 
servers loop and the apps loop.

> Unless, of course,  your .app is really just a 
> launcher stub for a different process, in  which case you could wire up 
> your own behavior to the double-click  because your launcher process 
> wouldn't be around for LaunchServices  to see post-launch.

Well, it's not, but that is an idea. If I have a little launcher stub, 
it could just check and see what's running, and then launch what it 
needs to, then quit. That way it would just get started up again if the 
user double clicked again, and then do what it needed to. That would 
require more than one app to be installed, however.

Which leads me to another idea: Can I tell OS-X that I DO want another 
instance of the app launched rather than raising an existing one? That 
way, I could do the Windows trick: On launch, check for an existing one, 
of it's there, start the browser and quit. If it's not, start the 
server, then the browser, and don't quit. This would let me have the app 
and the "launching stub" be the same app.

>> How do you have an app started with a double-click run
>> without an icon in the dock? 
> 
> put LSUIElement = True in your plist (using the appropriate syntax  for 
> doing that).
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ 
> BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/PListKeys.html

Thanks, I'll give that a try

>> What is the lightest weight way to give it a
>> menu with the basic items.
> 
> The absolute lightest way to do that is to write the Objective-C code  
> to do it yourself, otherwise, you should use PyObjC.  The majority of  
> this work is just making the menu in Interface Builder.

Sounds easy enough, though I might just go with wxPython, as I need to 
do something similar on Windows and Linux anyway. It's kind of a lot of 
overhead for such a small task, however.

Thanks for your input,

-Chris



-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From njriley at uiuc.edu  Wed Aug 17 00:07:57 2005
From: njriley at uiuc.edu (Nicholas Riley)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <4302625C.3000101@noaa.gov>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
	<F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
	<4302625C.3000101@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <20050816220757.GC66286@uiuc.edu>

On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 03:02:04PM -0700, Chris Barker wrote:
> Well, it's not, but that is an idea. If I have a little launcher stub, 
> it could just check and see what's running, and then launch what it 
> needs to, then quit. That way it would just get started up again if the 
> user double clicked again, and then do what it needed to. That would 
> require more than one app to be installed, however.
> 
> Which leads me to another idea: Can I tell OS-X that I DO want another 
> instance of the app launched rather than raising an existing one? That 
> way, I could do the Windows trick: On launch, check for an existing one, 
> of it's there, start the browser and quit. If it's not, start the 
> server, then the browser, and don't quit. This would let me have the app 
> and the "launching stub" be the same app.

You can do this (LaunchServices lets you multi-launch apps, or you can
always execute the binary directly), but not from the Finder.
However, you could do something slightly different, and closer to your
first idea: embed the actual app inside the launcher app's
bundle. Then start your real app, with an icon or not, when the
launcher app runs; the launcher app would then exit.  If the launcher
app notes that the real app is already running, then just open the
page in the browser.

The user would only see one app, and since the Finder in OS X no
longer shows apps differently when they're open, they'd never know the
difference.

-- 
Nicholas Riley <njriley at uiuc.edu> | <http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/njriley>

From listsub at wickedgrey.com  Wed Aug 17 00:36:18 2005
From: listsub at wickedgrey.com (Eli Stevens (WG.c))
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:36:18 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] libpython for 2.4.1 on OSX 10.3
In-Reply-To: <6B03CCA9-A550-4E4E-8354-5704B788B0F4@redivi.com>
References: <43024031.7000705@wickedgrey.com>
	<6B03CCA9-A550-4E4E-8354-5704B788B0F4@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <43026A62.9000908@wickedgrey.com>

Bob Ippolito wrote:
> 
> On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Eli Stevens (WG.c) wrote:
> 
>> I'm trying to get Inline::Python (allows python to be called from perl
>> with very little glue) working on OSX 10.3.  I have installed the
>> framework build of 2.4.1 and am able to use it, run scripts, etc.
> 
> 
> Sounds like their build scripts are broken.  The correct way to  
> determine how to link to Python is to ask Python (via distutils, or  
> read its Makefile directly).  You should talk to them about this  problem.

Thanks for the quick response.  :)

I'll see what trouble I can stir up on that side of the fence and will 
report back.  :)


> However, the quick & dirty workaround would to be to do something  like 
> this:
> 
> sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/ 
> python2.4 /usr/local/include/python2.4
> sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/Python / 
> usr/local/lib/libpython2.4.dylib
> 
> It should be able to use -lpython2.4 at that point, and might even  find 
> the include files where it expects to find them.

Previously, I had tried giving the real filenames to the inline install, 
and it didn't work.  After creating the symlinks, the behavior remained 
unchanged (including a make clean; make; make install of 
Inline::Python).  :/  As far as I know, I used the standard MacPython 
package to install[1], and I don't believe that I chose anything but 
standard/default options.  Are there other libraries that need to be 
pulled in along with libpython?  Some -lfoo I need to specify?

I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but I'm a relative OSX 
newbie, and am not really familiar with the spin OSX puts on things 
targeted for Linux (not that I'm a Linux guru either).

Thanks again for your help,
Eli

[1] - MD5 (MacPython-OSX-2.4.1-1.dmg) = 1db4d575a2c5d6ab24be10c38154551a


From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Wed Aug 17 01:10:08 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <20050816220757.GC66286@uiuc.edu>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
	<F68F5869-5893-413B-BE71-02F7867B3C72@redivi.com>
	<4302625C.3000101@noaa.gov> <20050816220757.GC66286@uiuc.edu>
Message-ID: <43027250.9080604@noaa.gov>

Nicholas Riley wrote:
>>Which leads me to another idea: Can I tell OS-X that I DO want another 
>>instance of the app launched rather than raising an existing one? 

> You can do this (LaunchServices lets you multi-launch apps, or you can
> always execute the binary directly), but not from the Finder.

Darn.

> However, you could do something slightly different, and closer to your
> first idea: embed the actual app inside the launcher app's
> bundle. Then start your real app, with an icon or not, when the
> launcher app runs; the launcher app would then exit.  If the launcher
> app notes that the real app is already running, then just open the
> page in the browser.
> 
> The user would only see one app, and since the Finder in OS X no
> longer shows apps differently when they're open, they'd never know the
> difference.

I like this. Now I have to figure out how to put another app inside a 
Py2app'd bundle. The "main" app and the one inside would both be python 
apps.

It looks to me like a Py2app bundle has a little stub as the executable. 
Could I build two py2app bundles, of two different scripts, then just 
drag the executable from one into the other to get two in one, that 
would share all the resources?

I guess I'll go try.

-Chris

-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 17 02:53:24 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:53:24 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] libpython for 2.4.1 on OSX 10.3
In-Reply-To: <43026A62.9000908@wickedgrey.com>
References: <43024031.7000705@wickedgrey.com>
	<6B03CCA9-A550-4E4E-8354-5704B788B0F4@redivi.com>
	<43026A62.9000908@wickedgrey.com>
Message-ID: <1C1815DF-462F-42E7-9D2B-229FA104FC2E@redivi.com>


On Aug 16, 2005, at 12:36 PM, Eli Stevens (WG.c) wrote:

> Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>> On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Eli Stevens (WG.c) wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to get Inline::Python (allows python to be called from  
>>> perl
>>> with very little glue) working on OSX 10.3.  I have installed the
>>> framework build of 2.4.1 and am able to use it, run scripts, etc.
>>>
>> Sounds like their build scripts are broken.  The correct way to   
>> determine how to link to Python is to ask Python (via distutils,  
>> or  read its Makefile directly).  You should talk to them about  
>> this  problem.
>>
>
> Thanks for the quick response.  :)
>
> I'll see what trouble I can stir up on that side of the fence and  
> will report back.  :)
>
>
>
>> However, the quick & dirty workaround would to be to do something   
>> like this:
>> sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/ 
>> include/ python2.4 /usr/local/include/python2.4
>> sudo ln -s /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/ 
>> Python / usr/local/lib/libpython2.4.dylib
>> It should be able to use -lpython2.4 at that point, and might  
>> even  find the include files where it expects to find them.
>>
>
> Previously, I had tried giving the real filenames to the inline  
> install, and it didn't work.  After creating the symlinks, the  
> behavior remained unchanged (including a make clean; make; make  
> install of Inline::Python).  :/  As far as I know, I used the  
> standard MacPython package to install[1], and I don't believe that  
> I chose anything but standard/default options.  Are there other  
> libraries that need to be pulled in along with libpython?  Some - 
> lfoo I need to specify?

Nope, that's it.

> I feel like I'm missing something obvious, but I'm a relative OSX  
> newbie, and am not really familiar with the spin OSX puts on things  
> targeted for Linux (not that I'm a Linux guru either).

Well, the obvious thing is that Inline::Python's build process is  
broken :)

-bob


From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 17 03:01:38 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 15:01:38 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
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	<43027250.9080604@noaa.gov>
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On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote:

> Nicholas Riley wrote:
>
>>> Which leads me to another idea: Can I tell OS-X that I DO want  
>>> another
>>> instance of the app launched rather than raising an existing one?
>>>
>
>
>> You can do this (LaunchServices lets you multi-launch apps, or you  
>> can
>> always execute the binary directly), but not from the Finder.
>>
>
> Darn.
>
>
>> However, you could do something slightly different, and closer to  
>> your
>> first idea: embed the actual app inside the launcher app's
>> bundle. Then start your real app, with an icon or not, when the
>> launcher app runs; the launcher app would then exit.  If the launcher
>> app notes that the real app is already running, then just open the
>> page in the browser.
>>
>> The user would only see one app, and since the Finder in OS X no
>> longer shows apps differently when they're open, they'd never know  
>> the
>> difference.
>>
>
> I like this. Now I have to figure out how to put another app inside a
> Py2app'd bundle. The "main" app and the one inside would both be  
> python
> apps.
>
> It looks to me like a Py2app bundle has a little stub as the  
> executable.
> Could I build two py2app bundles, of two different scripts, then just
> drag the executable from one into the other to get two in one, that
> would share all the resources?
>
> I guess I'll go try.

Nope that doesn't work..  What you should do is simply re-execute the  
same application with different command line arguments.   
LaunchServices won't pick up on the second launch because it was done  
outside of LaunchServices.

-bob


From matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com  Wed Aug 17 17:02:59 2005
From: matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com (matthias.oberlaender@daimlerchrysler.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 17:02:59 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Set/get finder color label of a file
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1124272802.16892.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <OF426B17F2.A93E587F-ONC1257060.0050869B-C1257060.0052AC14@dcx.dcx>

I would very much like to get and set the color label (or 'label index') 
of a file programmatically from Python. I spent quite some time googling, 
but  was unable to extract the necessary bits how to do it with a few 
Carbon calls. Can somebody on the list help me out on this?  (I surely 
don't want to get any deeper into Carbon. Long live Cocoa and PyObjc ! ;-)

greetings,

matthias

From dave.opstad at monotypeimaging.com  Wed Aug 17 19:18:49 2005
From: dave.opstad at monotypeimaging.com (Dave Opstad)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 10:18:49 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] New PyObjC article
Message-ID: <BF28BF89.5851%dave.opstad@monotypeimaging.com>

I just noticed a new article (dated Monday) on using PyObjC has been posted
at the Apple Developer site:

http://developer.apple.com/cocoa/pyobjc.html

Cheers!
Dave


From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Wed Aug 17 09:55:43 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:55:43 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Active Directory authentication
	on	Mac	using	Python
In-Reply-To: <OF4353BE70.49D5BF31-ON8625705E.005B28CE-8625705F.005A5FA0@omsdal.com>
References: <OF4353BE70.49D5BF31-ON8625705E.005B28CE-8625705F.005A5FA0@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <EF120D93-21C2-4627-92E3-B4CAD961860D@mac.com>


On 16-aug-2005, at 18:27, brad.allen at omsdal.com wrote:

>
> It would be really nice if python-ldap could just use the existing
> OpenLDAP with SASL support on Tiger; I recall from the python-ldap
> mailing list that this was do-able under Panther.

The required header files are not installed by default. You might be  
able to get away with using the sasl.h from cygnus' SASL implementation.

Ronald

From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Thu Aug 18 18:23:16 2005
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 17:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Set/get finder color label of a file
Message-ID: <a05200f04bf29f8d8d8c1@[82.13.37.78]>

matthias oberlaender wrote:

>I would very much like to get and set the color label (or 'label index')
>of a file programmatically from Python. I spent quite some time googling,
>but  was unable to extract the necessary bits how to do it with a few
>Carbon calls.

Dunno about Carbon APIs, but it's easy enough using IPC:

#!/usr/bin/env pythonw

from appscript import *
from macfile import Alias

path = '/Users/has/test.txt'
label = 3

app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.set(label)
print app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.get()


See <http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/appscript.html>. Note: if you install appscript using the binary installer (easiest), you'll also need to d/l the latest appscript-0.13.1.tar.gz package from <http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/appscript_source.html> and install that as well.

HTH

has
-- 
http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/

From fonnesbeck at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 03:20:58 2005
From: fonnesbeck at gmail.com (Chris Fonnesbeck)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] compiling wxPython
Message-ID: <723eb69305081818205dbe46a3@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone had success compiling wxPython on Tiger? I get the
following when trying to compile:

./bk-make-pch .pch/wxprec_basedll/wx/wxprec.h.gch wx/wxprec.h g++
-I.pch/wxprec_basedll -D__WXMAC__     -I./src/tiff -I./src/jpeg    
-I./src/expat/lib -DwxUSE_GUI=0 -DWXMAKINGDLL_BASE -DwxUSE_BASE=1
-dynamic -fPIC -DPIC -DWX_PRECOMP -DNO_GCC_PRAGMA
-Ilib/wx/include/mac-ansi-release-2.6 -I./include
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES -fpascal-strings
-I./src/mac/carbon/morefilex -I/Developer/Headers/FlatCarbon -O2 -Wall
-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -fno-common
cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fpascal-strings"
make: *** [.pch/wxprec_basedll/wx/wxprec.h.gch] Error 1

Thanks,
Chris

From bob at redivi.com  Fri Aug 19 03:27:53 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 15:27:53 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] compiling wxPython
In-Reply-To: <723eb69305081818205dbe46a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <723eb69305081818205dbe46a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CFBF64D9-12D7-454E-8A6C-7C1AB9948BEE@redivi.com>

On Aug 18, 2005, at 3:20 PM, Chris Fonnesbeck wrote:

> Has anyone had success compiling wxPython on Tiger? I get the
> following when trying to compile:
>
> ./bk-make-pch .pch/wxprec_basedll/wx/wxprec.h.gch wx/wxprec.h g++
> -I.pch/wxprec_basedll -D__WXMAC__     -I./src/tiff -I./src/jpeg
> -I./src/expat/lib -DwxUSE_GUI=0 -DWXMAKINGDLL_BASE -DwxUSE_BASE=1
> -dynamic -fPIC -DPIC -DWX_PRECOMP -DNO_GCC_PRAGMA
> -Ilib/wx/include/mac-ansi-release-2.6 -I./include
> -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_LARGE_FILES -fpascal-strings
> -I./src/mac/carbon/morefilex -I/Developer/Headers/FlatCarbon -O2 -Wall
> -Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -fno-common
> cc1plus: error: unrecognized command line option "-fpascal-strings"
> make: *** [.pch/wxprec_basedll/wx/wxprec.h.gch] Error 1

I haven't tried it, but are you sure you're using Apple's g++?  Mine  
understands -fpascal-strings just fine.

% g++ --version
powerpc-apple-darwin8-g++-4.0.0 (GCC) 4.0.0 (Apple Computer, Inc.  
build 5026)

-bob


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Fri Aug 19 04:37:15 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:37:15 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <42FCFCD9.1070002@noaa.gov>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>	<7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>
	<EAEB965E-99AC-4392-9A43-852FB02A8CE6@samuelsmith.org>
	<42FCFCD9.1070002@noaa.gov>
Message-ID: <13192D4F-0C4A-4AA9-8B4B-BABCDC6F561D@samuelsmith.org>

How do I get it to include the g77 install which it needs to build?

On 12 Aug, 2005, at 13:47, Chris Barker wrote:

>
>
> Samuel M. Smith wrote:
>
>> The gcc 3.3 issue was the key. Thanks for help.
>>
>> Below is a list of what I did.
>>
>> Could someone take these directions and create a pkg installer for
>> scipy? So others can just double click to install?
>>
>
> Great idea..why not you? py2app bdist_mpkg is fabulous. If you can  
> run:
>
> python setup.py build
>
> then you should be able to run
>
> bdist_mpkg
>
> and have it build a package for you. The trick is shared libs. When I
> did this for matplotlib, I ended up making sure the libs it needed  
> were
> statically linked.
>
> -good luck!
>
>
>
>> ******************
>> scipy installation instruction for framework python 2.4.1 on OS X  
>> 10.4.2
>>
>> Get the following files
>> http://pythonmac.org/packages/Numeric-23.7-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
>> http://pythonmac.org/packages/numarray-1.1.1-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
>> http://prdownloads.sf.net/hpc/g77v3.4-bin.tar.gz?download
>> http://www.fftw.org/fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz
>> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquaterm/AquaTerm1.0.b2.dmg
>> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuplot/Gnuplot-4.0.0.dmg
>> http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz
>>
>> Make sure framework python 2.41 is default python by putting
>> /usr/local/bin at the front of shell PATH variable
>>
>> Install Numeric 23.7 from pkg installer
>> Install numarray 1.1.1 from pkg installer
>>
>> Set default gcc compiler to version 3.3 this must be so for
>> compatibility with g77 fortran compiler used in scipy
>>
>>
>>> sudo gcc_select 3.3
>>>
>>
>> Install g77 3.4
>>
>>> sudo tar -xvf g77v3.4-bin.tar -C /
>>>
>>
>> Install fftw 2.1.5
>>
>>
>>> tar -xvzf fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz (or tar -xvf if it has already been
>>>
>> gunzipped)
>>
>>> cd fftw*
>>> ./configure
>>> make
>>> sudo make install
>>>
>>
>>
>> Install F2PY 2.1.5
>>
>>> tar -xvzf F2PY-2-latest.tar.gz
>>> cd  F2PY*
>>> sudo python setup.py install
>>>
>>
>> Install AquaTerm 1.0b2 from pkg installer
>>
>> Install GnuPlot 4.0 from pkg installer
>>
>> Untar the scipy_cvs_2005_07_29.tgx
>> cd to the scipy directory
>> Build and Install scipy
>>
>>
>>> python setup.py build
>>> sudo python setup.py install
>>>
>>
>> Test
>>
>>> python
>>>
>>>>> import scipy
>>>>> scipy.test()
>>>>>
>>
>> Expect that some tests will fail. The test function should  
>> complete OK.
>>
>> ********************************************
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>>
>
> -- 
> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
> Oceanographer
>
> NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>
> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
> _______________________________________________
> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>

**********************************************************************
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2966 Fort Hill Road
Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
801-768-2768 voice
801-768-2769 fax
**********************************************************************
"The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
**********************************************************************


From matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com  Fri Aug 19 14:11:52 2005
From: matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com (matthias.oberlaender@daimlerchrysler.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:11:52 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Set/get finder color label of a file
In-Reply-To: <mailman.12.1124445602.10827.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <OF20D29AE3.4B0E7804-ONC1257062.00415C52-C1257062.004301A9@dcx.dcx>

has wrote:
> matthias oberlaender wrote:
> >I would very much like to get and set the color label (or 'label 
index')
> >of a file programmatically from Python. I spent quite some time 
googling,
> >but  was unable to extract the necessary bits how to do it with a few
> >Carbon calls.
> 
> Dunno about Carbon APIs, but it's easy enough using IPC:
> 
> #!/usr/bin/env pythonw
> 
> from appscript import *
> from macfile import Alias
> 
> path = '/Users/has/test.txt'
> label = 3
> 
> app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.set(label)
> print app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.get()
> 
> 
> See <http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/appscript.html>. 
> Note: if you install appscript using the binary installer (easiest),
> you'll also need to d/l the latest appscript-0.13.1.tar.gz package from 
<
> http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/appscript_source.html> 
> and install that as well.
> 
> HTH
> 
> has

Looked promising. Very concise. Thank you very much. However, I had no 
look installing appscript. I installed the two packages as you suggested 
(OS X 10.3 with Apple supplied Python). Below is what happened. Maybe some 
more updates necessary? (I assume installing appscript-0.13.1.tar.gz was 
meant as a patch to the pure binary installation.)


from appscript import app
from macfile import Alias
import os

path = '/Users/oberlaender/dead.letter'
assert os.path.exists(path)
print app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.get()


Without AppscriptTerminologyServer running:

pythonw -i test.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "test.py", line 8, in ?
    print app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.get()
  File 
"/Users/oberlaender/Desktop/appscript-0.13.1/appscript/specifier.py", line 
390, in __init__
    translationTables = tablesForLocalApp(path)
  File 
"/Users/oberlaender/Desktop/appscript-0.13.1/appscript/translationtablereader.py", 
line 142, in tablesForLocalApp
    classes, enums, properties, elements, commands = buildTables(path)
  File 
"/Users/oberlaender/Desktop/appscript-0.13.1/appscript/translationtablebuilder.py", 
line 99, in buildTables
    aeteparser.parse(getaete(path), p)
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/osaterminology/aeteparser.py", 
line 254, in parse
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/osaterminology/aeteparser.py", 
line 64, in list
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/osaterminology/aeteparser.py", 
line 182, in _parseSuite
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/osaterminology/aeteparser.py", 
line 64, in list
  File 
"/System/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.3/lib/python2.3/site-packages/osaterminology/aeteparser.py", 
line 100, in _parseCommand
TypeError: start_command() takes exactly 6 arguments (7 given)
>>> 

With AppscriptTerminologyServer running:

pythonw -i test.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "test.py", line 8, in ?
    print app('Finder').items[Alias(path)].label_index.get()
  File 
"/Users/oberlaender/Desktop/appscript-0.13.1/appscript/specifier.py", line 
203, in __call__
    raise CommandError(self, (args, kargs), e)
appscript.specifier.CommandError: event() got an unexpected keyword 
argument 'resulttype'
        Failed command: 
app(u'/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app').items[Alias(u'/Users/oberlaender/dead.letter')].label_index.get()
>>> 

 
-- Matthias

From hengist.podd at virgin.net  Fri Aug 19 14:46:16 2005
From: hengist.podd at virgin.net (has)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:46:16 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Set/get finder color label of a file
Message-ID: <a05200f00bf2b83a7add0@[82.3.64.182]>

matthias oberlaender wrote:

>I had no
>look installing appscript. I installed the two packages as you suggested
>(OS X 10.3 with Apple supplied Python). Below is what happened. Maybe some
>more updates necessary?

Oops, binary installer's older than I thought. You'll also need the latest versions of aem and osaterminology:

http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/aem-0.8.0.tar.gz
http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/osaterminology-0.6.0.tar.gz

That should do it. Any problems, let me know.

has
-- 
http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/

From Chris.Barker at noaa.gov  Fri Aug 19 18:00:11 2005
From: Chris.Barker at noaa.gov (Chris Barker)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 09:00:11 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SciPy install on Tiger with Python
	2.4.1	framework
In-Reply-To: <13192D4F-0C4A-4AA9-8B4B-BABCDC6F561D@samuelsmith.org>
References: <mailman.11456.1123784814.10511.pythonmac-sig@python.org>	<107F5E58-78BB-47B1-8FA4-4201667986E4@unsw.edu.au>	<7DBA349F-5AA0-49D7-B12E-AB2CA2D7B620@samuelsmith.org>
	<EAEB965E-99AC-4392-9A43-852FB02A8CE6@samuelsmith.org>
	<42FCFCD9.1070002@noaa.gov>
	<13192D4F-0C4A-4AA9-8B4B-BABCDC6F561D@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <4306020B.9020901@noaa.gov>

Samuel M. Smith wrote:
> How do I get it to include the g77 install which it needs to build?

I'm not sure I understand your question. bdist_mpkg creates a binary 
package from a python package created with distutils, so it doesn't need 
to include the compiler. However, you may be asking about shared libs 
that come with g77. In that case, I don't think you can get it to 
include them. This leaves two options:

1) Package up the required libs another way, as a tarball or whatever.

2) statically link everything that isn't a system library --that's what 
I did for matplotlib

It's also possible to include the shared libs in a package, but I don't 
think bdist_mpkg does that for you. However, it's built on the py2app 
machinery, which can include shared libs in a application bundle, so it 
may be possible.

Charles Moad created a matplotlib package that includes the shared libs 
required, you might try to find out how he did it.

http://sda.iu.edu/projects.html

Also be sure to check out Robert Kern's MacEnthon project as well.

http://www.scipy.org/wikis/featurerequests/MacEnthon

-Chris







> On 12 Aug, 2005, at 13:47, Chris Barker wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Samuel M. Smith wrote:
>>
>>> The gcc 3.3 issue was the key. Thanks for help.
>>>
>>> Below is a list of what I did.
>>>
>>> Could someone take these directions and create a pkg installer for
>>> scipy? So others can just double click to install?
>>>
>>
>> Great idea..why not you? py2app bdist_mpkg is fabulous. If you can  run:
>>
>> python setup.py build
>>
>> then you should be able to run
>>
>> bdist_mpkg
>>
>> and have it build a package for you. The trick is shared libs. When I
>> did this for matplotlib, I ended up making sure the libs it needed  were
>> statically linked.
>>
>> -good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>>> ******************
>>> scipy installation instruction for framework python 2.4.1 on OS X  
>>> 10.4.2
>>>
>>> Get the following files
>>> http://pythonmac.org/packages/Numeric-23.7-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
>>> http://pythonmac.org/packages/numarray-1.1.1-py2.4-macosx10.3.zip
>>> http://prdownloads.sf.net/hpc/g77v3.4-bin.tar.gz?download
>>> http://www.fftw.org/fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz
>>> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/aquaterm/AquaTerm1.0.b2.dmg
>>> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/gnuplot/Gnuplot-4.0.0.dmg
>>> http://ipython.scipy.org/tmp/scipy_cvs_2005-07-29.tgz
>>>
>>> Make sure framework python 2.41 is default python by putting
>>> /usr/local/bin at the front of shell PATH variable
>>>
>>> Install Numeric 23.7 from pkg installer
>>> Install numarray 1.1.1 from pkg installer
>>>
>>> Set default gcc compiler to version 3.3 this must be so for
>>> compatibility with g77 fortran compiler used in scipy
>>>
>>>
>>>> sudo gcc_select 3.3
>>>>
>>>
>>> Install g77 3.4
>>>
>>>> sudo tar -xvf g77v3.4-bin.tar -C /
>>>>
>>>
>>> Install fftw 2.1.5
>>>
>>>
>>>> tar -xvzf fftw-2.1.5.tar.gz (or tar -xvf if it has already been
>>>>
>>> gunzipped)
>>>
>>>> cd fftw*
>>>> ./configure
>>>> make
>>>> sudo make install
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Install F2PY 2.1.5
>>>
>>>> tar -xvzf F2PY-2-latest.tar.gz
>>>> cd  F2PY*
>>>> sudo python setup.py install
>>>>
>>>
>>> Install AquaTerm 1.0b2 from pkg installer
>>>
>>> Install GnuPlot 4.0 from pkg installer
>>>
>>> Untar the scipy_cvs_2005_07_29.tgx
>>> cd to the scipy directory
>>> Build and Install scipy
>>>
>>>
>>>> python setup.py build
>>>> sudo python setup.py install
>>>>
>>>
>>> Test
>>>
>>>> python
>>>>
>>>>>> import scipy
>>>>>> scipy.test()
>>>>>>
>>>
>>> Expect that some tests will fail. The test function should  complete OK.
>>>
>>> ********************************************
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
>> Oceanographer
>>
>> NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
>> 7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
>> Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception
>>
>> Chris.Barker at noaa.gov
>> _______________________________________________
>> Pythonmac-SIG maillist  -  Pythonmac-SIG at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig
>>
> 
> **********************************************************************
> Samuel M. Smith Ph.D.
> 2966 Fort Hill Road
> Eagle Mountain, Utah 84043
> 801-768-2768 voice
> 801-768-2769 fax
> **********************************************************************
> "The greatest source of failure and unhappiness in the world is
> giving up what we want most for what we want at the moment"
> **********************************************************************
> 

-- 
Christopher Barker, Ph.D.
Oceanographer
                                     		
NOAA/OR&R/HAZMAT         (206) 526-6959   voice
7600 Sand Point Way NE   (206) 526-6329   fax
Seattle, WA  98115       (206) 526-6317   main reception

Chris.Barker at noaa.gov

From kevino at tulane.edu  Sat Aug 20 06:00:51 2005
From: kevino at tulane.edu (Kevin Ollivier)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:00:51 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to tell if a .app is clicked again?
In-Reply-To: <43024D10.2030603@noaa.gov>
References: <43023EFF.2050901@noaa.gov>
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Hi Chris,

Sorry for the late reply. ;-/

On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:31 PM, Chris Barker wrote:

> Kevin Ollivier wrote:
>
>> I can't answer the questions you posed below, as I do almost all  
>> of  my
>> Mac work with wxPython, but when I read about what you're trying   
>> to do
>> I couldn't help but think that this is exactly what ActiveGrid
>> AppBuilder is for:
>>
>> http://www.activegrid.com
>>
>> Granted, it's wxPython and thus not as lightweight, but apps you   
>> create
>> with it can be run locally on the user's machine or can be   
>> deployed to
>> a server with their server components installed. It  allows you to  
>> use
>> SQLite, Oracle, MySQL, or PostGreSQL for the  database. It's also  
>> pretty
>> nice for point-and-click creation of full- fledged database apps,  
>> so the
>> apps are easy to customize. (See their  Petstore demo that comes with
>> the app.) Not sure what your exact  needs are, but this might be at
>> least worth a look if you haven't  seen it already.
>>
>
> No, I hadn't. It's a little hard to tell what the heck it really is  
> from
> the web page..the usual marketing-speak, no mention of wx, for  
> instance.

It's basically a web app development tool. The big benefit is that  
you can use it to very quickly throw this sort of app together (you  
can just point it at a database, tell it what forms you want, and  
it'll draft a web app for you), which is why I thought you may be  
interested in it. It sets up a local server automatically (based on  
Python's httpserver, like Quioxte, CherryPy, etc.) so that users can  
run and test the web app locally, and then there's a set of server  
components to install to a server. So it'd be similar to your  
situation now where you'd use py2app/py2exe to bundle the server  
components and your web app together.

Of course, if you've already got a static web-app built that you just  
want to be able to run on machines with no (or slow) internet access,  
then there's probably no need to switch tools. I haven't done a bake- 
off of the various httpserver-based web servers out there, so I can't  
say for sure which one best deals with the various quirks in various  
browsers. (I know that ActiveGrid's server handles the IE post bug  
fine where it sends an extra two byte line feed sometimes.)

>
> However, these are our needs:
>
> The web version needs to run on a basic browser, with not extra  
> plug-ins
> or custom clients.
>
> We'd like to make the stand-alone version share as much code as  
> possible
> with the web version. That means the same GUI, which means it would  
> run
> in a browser. It also needs to be a simple install, i.e. not MySQL +
> apache + our app. Activegrid really doesn't seem to provide this, but
> I'll look into it more.
>
> While I'm talking to Kevin: The other idea I had was to use wxMozilla,
> to embed a browser in a wxPython app, then we could use the same  
> code to
> generate all the HTML, and display the UI through wxMozilla, without
> having to use a client-server set up and http. This came up because
> apparently some Windows systems turn off all TCP/IP when the Ethernet
> cable is disconnected.
>
> My question is: with wxMozilla, can you capture all the GET and/or  
> POST
> events, so that you can essentially run a web app and browser all  
> within
> one process?

At present at least, there's no way to do this using wxMozilla.  
There're probably ways to do this using some Mozilla hacks, but I  
doubt they'd be supported. And considering that even Mozilla's  
primary embedding interface is still (as of 1.7.x) considered a  
'private' interface subject to change, I'm not sure you could even  
rely on the hack to continue working in the future. The server route  
is a bit of a pain but is probably the more sustainable solution in  
the long run.

Kevin

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From wrightca at hotmail.com  Sat Aug 20 17:33:58 2005
From: wrightca at hotmail.com (Chris Wright)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 01:33:58 +1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] internet config
Message-ID: <BAY102-F12DF5CBB6FC3DE3E0F8F07DAB40@phx.gbl>

I've just been bitten by urllib (and urllib2) finding a proxy via ic.py when 
I'm actually at a location which doesn't have a proxy set in system 
preferences. I don't know much about Internet Config, but I was wondering if 
there is an alternative for urllib/urllib2 to use the System Preferences?

cheers

Chris

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From jlp at nerim.net  Mon Aug 15 17:06:01 2005
From: jlp at nerim.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Luc_Peuri=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:06:01 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] help  about python frameworks in blender
Message-ID: <8f01ac174ff9686379f32cff257834be@nerim.net>

Hello,

I'm the Os X platform manager for blender (3D app, see  
www.blender.org), and we are facing some problems about embedding last  
version of python in it.

Until now, we were using python 2.3 which meant that we statically  
linked the Os X 10.2 build with a fink installed python, and used the  
apple framework for 10.3 and later.

Blender need to link against a core python for its internal use, and if  
an installed python is present, for non-core modules used by scripts.

Now, our python team wants to switch to python 2.4.1 for blender 2.40  
(nice versions match ;) which puts the Os X version a bit in jeopardy :

- compiling with the "unofficial official" version works of course, but  
that means that users must have the same lib installed, or there is  
crash at launch as the lib resides in a different place than the apple  
one. Although installing the lib is not hard, we are not pleased to  
introduce a dependancy.
- weak linking the framework leads to errors as non weak references are  
presents (which is normal) in our core python API
- i did not manage yet to compile a static version out of the framework  
(which is straightforward with a fink installed python), and dont want  
to force coders to install by fink (or darwinports).
- The 10.2 build will stay with its static 2.3 lib, so is out of  
questioning
- Those building against CVS wont have problems as we can automate  
choice of the correct lib, but we are in trouble for releases

So my questions are :

- Do we have a way of linking against the 2.4 framework that allow a  
fallback against the apple provided 2.3 lib ?

- If that dont work, how static compiling out of the framework, or  
include the framework in the app bundle ?

Blender is build with 3 systems : makefiles, scons or xcode

scons build settings for framework :

PYTHON_INCLUDE =  
['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/python2.4']
PYTHON_LIBPATH =  
['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/ 
config']
PYTHON_LIBRARY = []
PYTHON_LINKFLAGS = ['-u', '_PyMac_Error', '-framework', 'python' ]


Please keep the CC, I'm not suscribed to this mlist, even if i will try  
to monitor this subject via archives

-- 
Lukep
Blender Os X platform manager


From adriano at euma.com  Tue Aug 16 13:27:56 2005
From: adriano at euma.com (Adriano)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 13:27:56 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] supposed bug in MacOs X wxGlade
Message-ID: <a06230904bf277db4e1bc@[192.168.0.20]>

Dear Kevin, dear listers,

following the Kevin Ollivier's suggestion I'm moving this discussion 
about some bugs I found in the MacOs X wxPython based apps (wxGlade 
and Boa Constructor) in this list, that seems more appropriate.

Ok I think I have found a bug in wxGlade similar to the one I found in Boa.

I repeated this process 3 (three times) and it always crashed.

The stacktraces seems similar, they always claim about the same 
method (SetEventParameter + 24)

The process is to follow the wxGlade tutorial, that is:

1) create a frame and set its title to "Frame with Notebook"

2) clicking on the "has menubar" checkbox and filling in some menus

3) clickig on the "has status bar" ckeckbox

4) editing the only field the status bar has, at that point

5) in order to save the edited text, click somewhere to let the 
textfield to loose focus

Here comes the crash

The stacktrace follows.

Thanks so much for the attention !
Bye
Adriano

Date/Time:      2005-08-16 11:11:07.155 +0200
OS Version:     10.4.2 (Build 8C46)
Report Version: 3

Command: Python
Path:    /Users/adri/Desktop/SPE-OSX/wxGladeOSX.app/Contents/MacOS/Python
Parent:  WindowServer [63]

Version: ??? (???)

PID:    593
Thread: 0

Exception:  EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes:      KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0xbf7ffff0

Thread 0 Crashed:
0   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121a40 SetEventParameter + 24
1   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93146c20 
HIView::EventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 7260
2   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
3   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
4   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
5   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93166fbc 
SendControlDefGetFocusPart(HIView*, short*) + 96
6   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cb0 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 76
7   com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
8   libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
9   libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
10  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
11  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
12  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
13  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
14  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
15  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
16  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
17  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
18  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
19  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
20  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
21  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
22  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
23  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
24  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
25  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
26  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
27  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
28  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
29  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
30  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
31  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
32  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
33  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
34  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
35  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
36  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
37  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
38  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
39  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
40  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
41  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
42  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
43  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
44  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
45  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
46  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
47  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
48  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
49  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
50  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
51  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
52  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
53  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
54  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
55  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
56  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
57  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
58  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
59  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
60  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
61  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
62  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
63  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
64  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
65  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
66  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
67  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
68  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
69  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
70  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
71  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
72  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
73  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
74  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
75  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
76  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
77  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
78  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
79  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
80  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
81  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
82  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
83  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
84  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
85  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
86  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
87  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
88  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
89  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
90  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
91  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
92  com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
93  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
94  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
95  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
96  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
97  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
98  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
99  libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
100 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
101 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
102 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
103 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
104 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
105 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
106 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
107 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
108 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
109 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
110 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
111 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
112 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
113 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
114 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
115 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
116 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
117 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
118 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
119 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
120 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
121 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
122 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
123 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
124 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
125 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
126 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
127 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
128 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
129 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
130 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
131 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
132 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
133 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
134 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
135 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
136 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
137 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
138 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
139 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
140 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
141 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
142 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
143 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
144 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
145 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
146 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
147 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
148 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
149 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
150 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
151 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
152 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
153 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
154 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
155 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
156 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
157 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
158 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
159 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
160 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
161 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
162 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
163 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
164 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
165 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
166 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
167 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
168 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
169 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
170 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
171 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
172 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
173 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
174 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
175 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
176 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
177 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
178 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
179 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
180 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
181 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
182 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
183 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
184 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
185 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
186 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
187 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
188 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
189 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
190 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
191 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
192 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
193 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
194 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
195 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
196 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
197 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
198 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
199 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
200 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
201 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
202 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
203 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
204 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
205 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
206 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
207 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
208 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
209 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
210 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
211 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
212 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
213 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
214 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
215 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
216 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
217 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
218 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
219 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
220 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
221 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
222 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
223 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
224 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
225 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
226 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
227 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
228 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
229 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
230 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
231 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
232 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
233 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
234 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
235 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
236 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
237 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
238 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
239 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
240 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
241 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
242 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
243 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
244 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
245 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
246 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
247 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
248 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
249 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
250 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
251 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
252 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
253 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
254 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
255 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
256 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
257 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
258 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
259 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
260 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
261 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
262 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
263 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
264 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
265 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
266 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
267 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
268 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
269 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
270 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
271 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
272 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
273 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
274 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
275 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
276 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
277 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
278 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
279 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
280 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
281 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
282 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
283 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
284 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
285 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
286 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
287 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
288 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
289 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
290 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
291 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
292 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
293 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
294 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
295 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
296 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
297 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
298 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
299 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
300 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
301 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
302 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
303 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
304 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
305 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
306 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
307 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
308 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
309 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
310 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
311 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
312 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
313 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
314 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
315 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
316 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
317 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
318 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
319 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
320 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
321 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
322 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
323 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
324 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
325 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
326 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
327 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
328 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
329 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
330 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
331 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
332 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
333 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
334 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
335 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
336 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
337 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
338 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
339 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
340 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
341 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
342 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
343 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
344 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
345 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
346 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
347 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
348 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
349 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
350 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
351 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
352 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
353 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
354 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
355 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
356 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
357 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
358 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
359 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
360 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
361 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
362 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
363 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
364 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
365 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
366 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
367 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
368 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
369 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
370 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
371 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
372 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
373 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
374 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
375 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
376 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
377 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
378 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
379 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
380 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
381 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
382 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
383 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
384 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
385 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
386 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
387 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
388 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
389 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
390 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
391 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
392 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
393 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
394 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
395 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
396 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
397 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
398 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
399 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
400 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
401 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
402 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
403 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
404 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
405 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
406 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
407 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
408 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
409 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
410 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
411 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
412 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
413 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
414 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
415 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
416 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
417 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
418 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
419 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
420 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
421 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
422 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
423 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
424 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
425 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
void*) + 128 (icplusplus.c:27)
426 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x931229f4 
DispatchEventToHandlers(EventTargetRec*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
HandlerCallRec*) + 692
427 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x9312214c 
SendEventToEventTargetInternal(OpaqueEventRef*, 
OpaqueEventTargetRef*, HandlerCallRec*) + 372
428 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93121fc8 
SendEventToEventTargetWithOptions + 40
429 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93163140 
SendControlDefSetFocusPart(HIView*, short, unsigned char, short*) + 
172
430 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162e6c 
HIView::SetFocusPartInternal(short, unsigned char, unsigned char, 
short*, short) + 112
431 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162cd4 
HIView::SetFocusPart(short, unsigned char) + 112
432 com.apple.HIToolbox            	0x93162a78 SetKeyboardFocus + 168
433 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x0109bf74 
wxMacControl::SetFocus(short) + 44 (icplusplus.c:27)
434 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fc41c 
wxWindow::SetFocus() + 80 (icplusplus.c:27)
435 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
wxGrid::HideCellEditControl() + 216 (icplusplus.c:27)
436 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e2fac 
wxGrid::EnableCellEditControl(bool) + 248 (icplusplus.c:27)
437 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
438 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
wxEvtHandler*, wxEvent&) + 156 (icplusplus.c:27)
439 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093318 
wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
(icplusplus.c:27)
440 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)
441 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fa42c 
wxMacWindowControlEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, 
OpaqueEventRef*, void*) + 960 (icplusplus.c:27)
442 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x010fab98 
wxMacWindowEventHandler(OpaqueEventHandlerCallRef*, OpaqueEventRef*, 
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488 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
wxGridCellEditorEvtHandler::OnKillFocus(wxFocusEvent&) + 32 
(icplusplus.c:27)
489 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEventIfMatches(wxEventTableEntryBase const&, 
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503 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011e388c 
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505 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x011d112c 
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506 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093c34 
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wxEventHashTable::HandleEvent(wxEvent&, wxEvtHandler*) + 220 
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508 libwx_macud-2.6.0.dylib        	0x01093e14 
wxEvtHandler::ProcessEvent(wxEvent&) + 252 (icplusplus.c:27)

Thread 1:
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1   com.apple.DesktopServices      	0x9278cad8 
TFSNotificationTask::FSNotificationTaskProc(void*) + 56
2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 	0x90b39690 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 76
3   libSystem.B.dylib              	0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 2:
0   libSystem.B.dylib              	0x9002ca98 
semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 8
1   libSystem.B.dylib              	0x9003127c pthread_cond_wait + 508
2   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 	0x90b39880 MPWaitOnQueue + 224
3   com.apple.DesktopServices      	0x9278d330 
TNodeSyncTask::SyncTaskProc(void*) + 108
4   ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 	0x90b39690 PrivateMPEntryPoint + 76
5   libSystem.B.dylib              	0x9002c3d4 _pthread_body + 96

Thread 0 crashed with PPC Thread State 64:
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vrsave: 0x0000000000000000
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0x0000000093146c20  ctr: 0x000000009314debc
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0x0000000000000000  r15: 0x00000000a3122758
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0x00000000636e746c  r19: 0x0000000000000008
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From bob at redivi.com  Mon Aug 22 00:17:27 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:17:27 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] help  about python frameworks in blender
In-Reply-To: <8f01ac174ff9686379f32cff257834be@nerim.net>
References: <8f01ac174ff9686379f32cff257834be@nerim.net>
Message-ID: <6C415D5C-E42E-4478-80C3-B8A3247AECB1@redivi.com>


On Aug 15, 2005, at 5:06 AM, Jean-Luc Peuri?re wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm the Os X platform manager for blender (3D app, see
> www.blender.org), and we are facing some problems about embedding last
> version of python in it.
>
> Until now, we were using python 2.3 which meant that we statically
> linked the Os X 10.2 build with a fink installed python, and used the
> apple framework for 10.3 and later.
>
> Blender need to link against a core python for its internal use,  
> and if
> an installed python is present, for non-core modules used by scripts.
>
> Now, our python team wants to switch to python 2.4.1 for blender 2.40
> (nice versions match ;) which puts the Os X version a bit in  
> jeopardy :
>
> - compiling with the "unofficial official" version works of course,  
> but
> that means that users must have the same lib installed, or there is
> crash at launch as the lib resides in a different place than the apple
> one. Although installing the lib is not hard, we are not pleased to
> introduce a dependancy.
> - weak linking the framework leads to errors as non weak references  
> are
> presents (which is normal) in our core python API
> - i did not manage yet to compile a static version out of the  
> framework
> (which is straightforward with a fink installed python), and dont want
> to force coders to install by fink (or darwinports).
> - The 10.2 build will stay with its static 2.3 lib, so is out of
> questioning
> - Those building against CVS wont have problems as we can automate
> choice of the correct lib, but we are in trouble for releases
>
> So my questions are :
>
> - Do we have a way of linking against the 2.4 framework that allow a
> fallback against the apple provided 2.3 lib ?
>
> - If that dont work, how static compiling out of the framework, or
> include the framework in the app bundle ?
>
> Blender is build with 3 systems : makefiles, scons or xcode
>
> scons build settings for framework :
>
> PYTHON_INCLUDE =
> ['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/include/ 
> python2.4']
> PYTHON_LIBPATH =
> ['/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.4/lib/python2.4/
> config']
> PYTHON_LIBRARY = []
> PYTHON_LINKFLAGS = ['-u', '_PyMac_Error', '-framework', 'python' ]

You want to include the framework in the application bundle.  If you  
run the macho_standalone utility from py2app over blender.app after  
it's built, this will happen automatically (and any other library  
dependencies will also be included).  This can save you a  
considerable amount of time, as you no longer have to worry about  
statically compiling everything and ensuring that the dynamic  
libraries are not present on the linker's path.

-bob


From bob at redivi.com  Mon Aug 22 00:19:58 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:19:58 -1000
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] supposed bug in MacOs X wxGlade
In-Reply-To: <a06230904bf277db4e1bc@[192.168.0.20]>
References: <a06230904bf277db4e1bc@[192.168.0.20]>
Message-ID: <11F5E98C-890D-45E0-8E5A-531ADA03B8F9@redivi.com>


On Aug 16, 2005, at 1:27 AM, Adriano wrote:

> following the Kevin Ollivier's suggestion I'm moving this discussion
> about some bugs I found in the MacOs X wxPython based apps (wxGlade
> and Boa Constructor) in this list, that seems more appropriate.

wxPython bugs on Mac OS X are probably best reported to the wxPython- 
mac list <http://wxpython.org/maillist.php>.

-bob


From heimo.mueller at mac.com  Mon Aug 22 17:18:26 2005
From: heimo.mueller at mac.com (heimo.mueller)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 17:18:26 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] pygame - how to get rid of the windows decorations
Message-ID: <C257FE44-A236-463F-9C5F-CF5F927A7367@mac.com>

i'm using pygame on OS X 10.4.2. my challenge is to get rid of the
window manger decorations, resulting in a pure openGL display.

i can not use the FULLSCREEN option, since I plan to  use on a dual  
monitor
configuration with one screen in normal mode, and the other screen as
fullscreen surface.

best regards

heimo 
  

From spe.stani.be at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 02:45:38 2005
From: spe.stani.be at gmail.com (SPE - Stani's Python Editor)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:45:38 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SPE 0.7.5.c released (feature rich python ide)
Message-ID: <430A71B2.8010200@gmail.com>

Hi,

A new version of SPE is released, see http://pythonide.stani.be

I am eager to port SPE to the Mac. Recently I tried to put a lot effort
to get SPE on the Mac. I started a spe-mac-user list and was posting
there all kind of patches, than I had to wait for some reactions with
feedback of tracebacks and screenshots. This went bit by bit and seemed
endless. However it became clear for me that at least it should be
possible to port SPE to the mac. But needless to say that development
cycle was slow and very inefficient.

Suddenly Rich Brown, a spe mac user, took the initiative to start a
fundraising so I could buy a mac to develop SPE properly. For me this
was more than welcome as I almost start giving up as developing SPE for
Mac took me a lot of time in proportion to the effort I had to put on
it. Moreover it frozes the development of SPE itself. This campaign
looks like if it is going to work. This means I will buy a Mac and start
finally the Mac port.

As Hraban told me I should announce SPE to this list, I tought of giving
it a try. To my surprise I found in the archives that there was already
quite some posting about SPE. That gave me the hope this interest might
not be gone. Therefore some of you might be willing to donate the last
bits to make the purchase of a Mini-Mac for SPE possible. (Please
mention with the donation is for the mac.) It would be nice if you
consider this seriously. This is the deal: you give me a Mac and I give
you SPE.

Thanks,
Stani

http://pythonide.stani.be
http://pythonide.stani.be/screenshots

----------------------------------------------------------------
More info about the fund raising:
?*What it would be worth to you to have a new release of SPE running on
your Mac Os X
the same day as it appears on other platforms? $50? $75? $100? My
company, Dartware, has contributed 250 Euros to start the fundraising.
We're willing to give a major boost because it's worth it for us to have
a nice environment for Python programming.
<http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/python-spe-mac/2005-August/000054.html>*? 

/- Rich Brown (Dartware) <http://www.dartware.com/>

/Do you work on Mac Os X? To support the development of SPE for Mac,
some enthousiastic SPE users have started a fund raising campaign to buy
a Mac. Acquiring a Mac for SPE will allow to optimize it properly and to
release simultaneously for Mac Os X. Any donation is welcome, but of
course generous donations are necessary. Due to the high Paypal
commission fees, European users are explicitly requested to donate
through IBAN. More info on the donation
<http://www.stani.be/python/spe/blog/sm_donate> page.

In the chart on http://pythonide.stani.be you see in red how much is
still required to make the purchase (mini Mac & KVM switch) go through.
If some people would donate 50 euros, this target could easily get
archieved. Otherwise if you have an old Mac, which runs Os X and which
you are ready to give to SPE, contact me
<mailto:spe.stani.be%20at%20gmail.com?subject=About%20SPE...&amp>. If
someone is able to convince Mac to do some sponsering, please contact me
<mailto:spe.stani.be%20at%20gmail.com?subject=About%20SPE...&amp> as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posting which started the fundraising:
http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/python-spe-mac/2005-August/000054.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------

List of people who donated (donations without paypal commission fees):

    * Rich Brown, Dartware (250 euro)
    * Brian Myers (100 euro)
    * Stefan Csomor, Advanced Concepts (50 euro)
    * Stefano Morandi (50 euro)
    * Kenneth McDonald (40 euro)
    * Phil Hargett (10 euro)

Who is next?




From matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com  Tue Aug 23 12:05:37 2005
From: matthias.oberlaender at daimlerchrysler.com (matthias.oberlaender@daimlerchrysler.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 12:05:37 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Set/get finder color label of a file
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1124532002.12132.pythonmac-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <OF12160441.ADC15983-ONC1257066.0036F8EB-C1257066.00377333@dcx.dcx>

 > Oops, binary installer's older than I thought. You'll also need the 
> latest versions of aem and osaterminology:
> 
> http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/aem-0.8.0.tar.gz
> http://freespace.virgin.net/hamish.sanderson/osaterminology-0.6.0.tar.gz
> 
> That should do it. Any problems, let me know.
> 
> has
>
You are right, works fine now. Thanks! (Wouldn't it be a good idea to 
update the binary installer? ;-) )

-- Matthias

From rowen at cesmail.net  Tue Aug 23 22:58:12 2005
From: rowen at cesmail.net (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:58:12 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
Message-ID: <rowen-FD3422.13581223082005@sea.gmane.org>

I've been considering upgrading my Mac to 10.4.2. However, I notice that 
there are very few python packages for 10.4 at 
<http://pythonmac.org/packages/>. I was wondering if this was innocuous 
(i.e. those who build such packages just aren't at 10.4 themselves) or 
something more ominous such as a problem with building python packages 
on 10.4?

Also, I distribute a semi-standalone python app (which includes 
everything except python itself). Right now it's compatible with 10.3.x 
and 10.4.x. But if I upgrade...are users on 10.3.9 likely to be able to 
use an app created under 10.4.x 9 (with the built-in python 2.3.5)? In 
case it matters, I presently create the app with bundlebuilder, though I 
plan to switch to py2app someday.

As an aside, I'd love to upgrade to python 2.4.x but then to distribute 
my app I'd have to figure out how to build a fully standalone app (one 
that includes python).

-- Russell


From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 23 23:29:31 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 14:29:31 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
In-Reply-To: <rowen-FD3422.13581223082005@sea.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-FD3422.13581223082005@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3773FB37-F878-419C-80BD-E9869A8881B1@redivi.com>


On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:

> I've been considering upgrading my Mac to 10.4.2. However, I notice  
> that
> there are very few python packages for 10.4 at
> <http://pythonmac.org/packages/>. I was wondering if this was  
> innocuous
> (i.e. those who build such packages just aren't at 10.4 themselves) or
> something more ominous such as a problem with building python packages
> on 10.4?

The version marker for a package is the minimum required version  
(really -- the version of Mac OS X on which it was built).  10.3  
packages work fine on 10.4, especially those for Python 2.4.

> Also, I distribute a semi-standalone python app (which includes
> everything except python itself). Right now it's compatible with  
> 10.3.x
> and 10.4.x. But if I upgrade...are users on 10.3.9 likely to be  
> able to
> use an app created under 10.4.x 9 (with the built-in python 2.3.5)? In
> case it matters, I presently create the app with bundlebuilder,  
> though I
> plan to switch to py2app someday.

Well, semi-standalone apps are basically guaranteed not to work on  
10.5, so you really should be looking to do standalone apps unless  
you want to maintain multiple versions in the future.

> As an aside, I'd love to upgrade to python 2.4.x but then to  
> distribute
> my app I'd have to figure out how to build a fully standalone app (one
> that includes python).

If you're using py2app, that happens by default when using a non- 
System interpreter.

-bob


From rowen at cesmail.net  Wed Aug 24 01:45:14 2005
From: rowen at cesmail.net (Russell E. Owen)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
References: <rowen-FD3422.13581223082005@sea.gmane.org>
	<3773FB37-F878-419C-80BD-E9869A8881B1@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <rowen-5C6715.16451423082005@sea.gmane.org>

In article <3773FB37-F878-419C-80BD-E9869A8881B1 at redivi.com>,
 Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:

> On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
> 
> > I've been considering upgrading my Mac to 10.4.2. However, I notice  
> > that
> > there are very few python packages for 10.4 at
> > <http://pythonmac.org/packages/>...
> 
> The version marker for a package is the minimum required version  
> (really -- the version of Mac OS X on which it was built).  10.3  
> packages work fine on 10.4, especially those for Python 2.4.

That is great news!

It would be helpful for the page to note that fact. Any suggestions on 
how to encourage or help that to happen?

> > Also, I distribute a semi-standalone python app (which includes
> > everything except python itself). Right now it's compatible with  
> > 10.3.x
> > and 10.4.x. But if I upgrade...are users on 10.3.9 likely to be  
> > able to
> > use an app created under 10.4.x 9 (with the built-in python 2.3.5)? In
> > case it matters, I presently create the app with bundlebuilder,  
> > though I
> > plan to switch to py2app someday.
> 
> Well, semi-standalone apps are basically guaranteed not to work on  
> 10.5, so you really should be looking to do standalone apps unless  
> you want to maintain multiple versions in the future.

I would prefer fully standalone, I just didn't know how to make it 
happen (bundlebuilder has the flag but I don't recall it actually 
working) until...

> > As an aside, I'd love to upgrade to python 2.4.x but then to  
> > distribute
> > my app I'd have to figure out how to build a fully standalone app (one
> > that includes python).
> 
> If you're using py2app, that happens by default when using a non- 
> System interpreter.

Perfect. And I'm guessing that py2app can be asked to make fully 
standalone even if using the built-in python interpreter (thus allowing 
me to eventually build on 10.5 and run on 10.4).

Thank you very much for all your help. This is excellent news all around.

Plus it offers the perfect justification to switch to py2app. I already 
refactored my code a few months ago to simplify packaging. (I had 
resource files mixed in with bits of python code to make the resource 
files easier to find, and my main module search for modules to load at 
startup. Both of which worked fine but made packaging a pain).

-- Russell


From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 24 01:59:37 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:59:37 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
In-Reply-To: <rowen-5C6715.16451423082005@sea.gmane.org>
References: <rowen-FD3422.13581223082005@sea.gmane.org>
	<3773FB37-F878-419C-80BD-E9869A8881B1@redivi.com>
	<rowen-5C6715.16451423082005@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <EBE57BC2-A2DA-46FB-8179-2AF989E96A75@redivi.com>


On Aug 23, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:

> In article <3773FB37-F878-419C-80BD-E9869A8881B1 at redivi.com>,
>  Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
>
>
>> On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I've been considering upgrading my Mac to 10.4.2. However, I notice
>>> that
>>> there are very few python packages for 10.4 at
>>> <http://pythonmac.org/packages/>...
>>>
>>
>> The version marker for a package is the minimum required version
>> (really -- the version of Mac OS X on which it was built).  10.3
>> packages work fine on 10.4, especially those for Python 2.4.
>>
>
> That is great news!
>
> It would be helpful for the page to note that fact. Any suggestions on
> how to encourage or help that to happen?

Write the copy and I'll paste it in :)

>>> As an aside, I'd love to upgrade to python 2.4.x but then to
>>> distribute
>>> my app I'd have to figure out how to build a fully standalone app  
>>> (one
>>> that includes python).
>>>
>>
>> If you're using py2app, that happens by default when using a non-
>> System interpreter.
>>
>
> Perfect. And I'm guessing that py2app can be asked to make fully
> standalone even if using the built-in python interpreter (thus  
> allowing
> me to eventually build on 10.5 and run on 10.4).

py2app refuses to place any files that are part of the operating  
system into an application.  If you want a standalone application,  
you must use a standalone interpreter to build it.  Generally,  
software that ships with OS X is built with flags such that it won't  
work on previous versions of Mac OS X anyway.

-bob



From kquirk at solidworks.com  Wed Aug 24 15:35:00 2005
From: kquirk at solidworks.com (Kent Quirk)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 09:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
Message-ID: <AD85EF0CD3800548B3B22C832F08788E019440D4@CORP-MAIL6.solidworks.swk>

To this end, Bob, what would it take to make it possible to create
10.3-capable builds from 10.4?

In other words, is it technically feasible to support this? If so, what
has to be changed? 

If you could document what needs to happen, maybe some of the rest of us
could tackle the pieces. 

Especially with the intel stuff coming down the pike, I'd dearly like to
be able to develop the C++ portions of my app under 10.4 and XCode 2.1,
but still ship apps that could run under 10.3.

	Kent

-----Original Message-----
Bob Ippolito wrote:

On Aug 23, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Russell E. Owen wrote:

> I've been considering upgrading my Mac to 10.4.2. However, I notice  
> that
> there are very few python packages for 10.4 at
> <http://pythonmac.org/packages/>. I was wondering if this was  
> innocuous
> (i.e. those who build such packages just aren't at 10.4 themselves) or
> something more ominous such as a problem with building python packages
> on 10.4?

The version marker for a package is the minimum required version  
(really -- the version of Mac OS X on which it was built).  10.3  
packages work fine on 10.4, especially those for Python 2.4.

From bob at redivi.com  Wed Aug 24 19:46:56 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 10:46:56 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
In-Reply-To: <AD85EF0CD3800548B3B22C832F08788E019440D4@CORP-MAIL6.solidworks.swk>
References: <AD85EF0CD3800548B3B22C832F08788E019440D4@CORP-MAIL6.solidworks.swk>
Message-ID: <557CD28D-A625-468B-853D-A3DFD6AD1684@redivi.com>

On Aug 24, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Kent Quirk wrote:

> To this end, Bob, what would it take to make it possible to create
> 10.3-capable builds from 10.4?

Build as much as possible on 10.3, and anything you build on 10.4  
should be build against the SDK with GCC 3.3 (if you care about  
pre-10.3.9).

The most important thing is to build as much as possible on the  
target platform.  For example, Python itself does a lot of feature  
detection in its configure script, and it will find things that the  
target platform may not have, and will not work there!  In your own  
code, you can avoid this, but do not trust ANYTHING you did not write  
to be portable unless you've tested it.

> In other words, is it technically feasible to support this? If so,  
> what
> has to be changed?

It's possible to do, but it's a royal pain.  I do it for our  
products, but we don't (and likely won't) support x86, because it's  
just an installer and isn't worth the universal binaries trouble  
since they don't go anywhere near 10.2 and we do.

> If you could document what needs to happen, maybe some of the rest  
> of us
> could tackle the pieces.

This is the interesting from the script that runs setup.py:

import os
from subprocess import Popen

# Python.framework for 10.2, plus a python2.3 executable are in the  
"deps" folder
PYTHON_ENV = dict(os.environ)
PYTHON_ENV['DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH'] = os.path.abspath('deps')
Popen(['deps/python2.3', 'setup.py', 'py2app'], env=PYTHON_ENV).wait()

This is what we do at the top of our setup.py:

import os
# check to make sure we're running against the 10.2 Python
if os.path.abspath('deps') not in os.environ.get 
('DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH', ''):
     raise RuntimeError, 'This is the wrong Python'

# Try and compile in a 10.2 compatible manner
os.environ['CC'] = '/usr/bin/gcc-3.3'
deps = os.path.abspath('deps').replace(' ', '\\ ')
os.environ['LDSHARED'] = '/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 -Wl,-x -Wl,-F%s -bundle - 
framework Python' % (deps,)
os.environ['MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET'] = '10.2'
JAGUAR_SDK = '/Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.2.8.sdk'
if os.path.exists(JAGUAR_SDK):
     os.environ['NEXT_ROOT'] = JAGUAR_SDK
     os.environ['DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH'] = JAGUAR_SDK + '/usr/lib' + ':'  
+ JAGUAR_SDK + '/usr/lib/system'
     os.environ['DYLD_FRAMEWORK_PATH'] += ':' + JAGUAR_SDK + '/System/ 
Library/Frameworks'


> Especially with the intel stuff coming down the pike, I'd dearly  
> like to
> be able to develop the C++ portions of my app under 10.4 and XCode  
> 2.1,
> but still ship apps that could run under 10.3.

This is ESPECIALLY hard to do, because you basically have to compile  
it with gcc 3.3 (for ppc), then compile it with gcc 4 (for x86)  
somewhere else and then lipo everything together.  Unless you only  
care about 10.3.9, in which case you could build with gcc 4 against  
the universal SDK.  I think PyObjC has some experimental code in its  
setup.py to build against the universal sdk (look for -isysroot --  
the SDK flags changed in gcc4).

-bob


From smithsm at samuelsmith.org  Thu Aug 25 17:53:55 2005
From: smithsm at samuelsmith.org (Samuel M. Smith)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:53:55 -0600
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] PythonCard on OS X 10.4 with Python 2.4.1
In-Reply-To: <OF321BD70B.93065960-ON8625701F.0071766A-8625701F.00728946@omsdal.com>
References: <OF321BD70B.93065960-ON8625701F.0071766A-8625701F.00728946@omsdal.com>
Message-ID: <D40E8FDF-A7F9-4CB4-9B12-110FCA317DC1@samuelsmith.org>

Anybody have any luck in getting PythonCard to work on OS X 10.4x  
with Python 2.4.1?
The PythonCard websit is limited to Panther instructions. I saw a  
post where someone got it to work with Python 2.3.5.



From brad.allen at omsdal.com  Thu Aug 25 18:11:14 2005
From: brad.allen at omsdal.com (brad.allen@omsdal.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 11:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] PythonCard on OS X 10.4 with Python 2.4.1
In-Reply-To: <D40E8FDF-A7F9-4CB4-9B12-110FCA317DC1@samuelsmith.org>
Message-ID: <OF8EC2AFD2.65DBDBDF-ON86257068.005856A4-86257068.0058EB2E@omsdal.com>

"Samuel M. Smith" <smithsm at samuelsmith.org> wrote on 08/25/2005 10:53:55 
AM:

> Anybody have any luck in getting PythonCard to work on OS X 10.4x 
> with Python 2.4.1?
> The PythonCard websit is limited to Panther instructions. I saw a 
> post where someone got it to work with Python 2.3.5.

There's a current thread about this in the PythonCard-users group,
under the non-clear subject name: 

        Re: update (was: Re: [Pythoncard-users] supposed bug in 
PythonCard)



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From ronaldoussoren at mac.com  Thu Aug 25 16:16:03 2005
From: ronaldoussoren at mac.com (Ronald Oussoren)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 16:16:03 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Some questions about going to MacOS X 10.4
In-Reply-To: <557CD28D-A625-468B-853D-A3DFD6AD1684@redivi.com>
References: <AD85EF0CD3800548B3B22C832F08788E019440D4@CORP-MAIL6.solidworks.swk>
	<557CD28D-A625-468B-853D-A3DFD6AD1684@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <9952665D-BA64-4B85-8306-B8538157E8E4@mac.com>


On 24-aug-2005, at 19:46, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
>> Especially with the intel stuff coming down the pike, I'd dearly
>> like to
>> be able to develop the C++ portions of my app under 10.4 and XCode
>> 2.1,
>> but still ship apps that could run under 10.3.
>>
>
> This is ESPECIALLY hard to do, because you basically have to compile
> it with gcc 3.3 (for ppc), then compile it with gcc 4 (for x86)
> somewhere else and then lipo everything together.  Unless you only
> care about 10.3.9, in which case you could build with gcc 4 against
> the universal SDK.  I think PyObjC has some experimental code in its
> setup.py to build against the universal sdk (look for -isysroot --
> the SDK flags changed in gcc4).

PyObjC does indeed contain some experimental code to build universal  
binaries. I don't think this is really the Right Way (TM) to do it,  
although the SDK-part is be correct. Two seperate compiles + lipo  
seems to be the more flexible approach.

What I'd like to do, but probably won't happen until the week grows  
days between Saturday and Sunday, is hack on the Python build process  
and distutils to make it support cross-compiling on OSX: universal  
binaries that run on anything from 10.2 on PPC and 10.4 on Intel,  
with a PPC64 version added for fun. There's lots of issues that have  
to be dealt with before getting to this ideal situations, most of  
which have to do with autoconf (and simular constructs in setup.py  
files).

Ronald

From adriano at euma.com  Thu Aug 25 21:35:51 2005
From: adriano at euma.com (adriano@euma.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:35:51 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] PythonCard on OS X 10.4 with Python 2.4.1
Message-ID: <84A0916DE0C449648B8DF7D3366FCAFA.MAI@eutropia.biz>

Hello listers,


"Samuel M. Smith" <smithsm at samuelsmith.org> wrote on 08/25/2005 10:53:55 
AM:

> Anybody have any luck in getting PythonCard to work on OS X 10.4x 
> with Python 2.4.1?
> The PythonCard websit is limited to Panther instructions. I saw a 
> post where someone got it to work with Python 2.3.5.

There's a current thread about this in the PythonCard-users group,
under the non-clear subject name: 

        Re: update (was: Re: [Pythoncard-users] supposed bug in 
PythonCard)


Yes I originated the thread. I found a bug in Pythoncard with python 2.4.1 and wxPython 2.6.1.0 and
PythonCard 0.8.1

It's not "supposed". It's a quite clearly a bug.

The installation worked. The "Minimal" application started correctly and you can consider this as a
test for correct installation, as stated in the tutorial.

What I found is:

a) when starting the resource editor, a .cfg file was looked for in PythonCard/somethin/something/
instead it was in PythonCard/
Now I don't remember exactly but you can read my posts. I reported it, I think
Or you can follow the tutorial instructions and you probably reproduce it

b) The ResourceEditor doesn't start correctly. It looks for sources to load in the wrong position,
i don't know why.

That' s it

I think you can reproduce theese problems quite easly, if you try

And if you can find something more than what I found, I'd be grateful if you would report too.

Thanks so much
Bye
Adriano


From s_t_a_n_i at gmx.net  Tue Aug 23 02:45:03 2005
From: s_t_a_n_i at gmx.net (Stani)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 02:45:03 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] SPE 0.7.5.c released (feature rich python ide)
Message-ID: <430A718F.3030409@gmx.net>

Hi,

A new version of SPE is released, see http://pythonide.stani.be

I am eager to port SPE to the Mac. Recently I tried to put a lot effort 
to get SPE on the Mac. I started a spe-mac-user list and was posting 
there all kind of patches, than I had to wait for some reactions with 
feedback of tracebacks and screenshots. This went bit by bit and seemed 
endless. However it became clear for me that at least it should be 
possible to port SPE to the mac. But needless to say that development 
cycle was slow and very inefficient.

Suddenly Rich Brown, a spe mac user, took the initiative to start a 
fundraising so I could buy a mac to develop SPE properly. For me this 
was more than welcome as I almost start giving up as developing SPE for 
Mac took me a lot of time in proportion to the effort I had to put on 
it. Moreover it frozes the development of SPE itself. This campaign 
looks like if it is going to work. This means I will buy a Mac and start 
finally the Mac port.

As Hraban told me I should announce SPE to this list, I tought of giving 
it a try. To my surprise I found in the archives that there was already 
quite some posting about SPE. That gave me the hope this interest might 
not be gone. Therefore some of you might be willing to donate the last 
bits to make the purchase of a Mini-Mac for SPE possible. (Please 
mention with the donation is for the mac.) It would be nice if you 
consider this seriously. This is the deal: you give me a Mac and I give 
you SPE.

Thanks,
Stani

http://pythonide.stani.be
http://pythonide.stani.be/screenshots

----------------------------------------------------------------
More info about the fund raising:
?*What it would be worth to you to have a new release of SPE running on 
your Mac Os X
the same day as it appears on other platforms? $50? $75? $100? My 
company, Dartware, has contributed 250 Euros to start the fundraising. 
We're willing to give a major boost because it's worth it for us to have 
a nice environment for Python programming. 
<http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/python-spe-mac/2005-August/000054.html>*? 
/- Rich Brown (Dartware) <http://www.dartware.com/>

/Do you work on Mac Os X? To support the development of SPE for Mac, 
some enthousiastic SPE users have started a fund raising campaign to buy 
a Mac. Acquiring a Mac for SPE will allow to optimize it properly and to 
release simultaneously for Mac Os X. Any donation is welcome, but of 
course generous donations are necessary. Due to the high Paypal 
commission fees, European users are explicitly requested to donate 
through IBAN. More info on the donation 
<http://www.stani.be/python/spe/blog/sm_donate> page.

In the chart on http://pythonide.stani.be you see in red how much is 
still required to make the purchase (mini Mac & KVM switch) go through. 
If some people would donate 50 euros, this target could easily get 
archieved. Otherwise if you have an old Mac, which runs Os X and which 
you are ready to give to SPE, contact me 
<mailto:spe.stani.be%20at%20gmail.com?subject=About%20SPE...&amp>. If 
someone is able to convince Mac to do some sponsering, please contact me 
<mailto:spe.stani.be%20at%20gmail.com?subject=About%20SPE...&amp> as well.

-----------------------------------------------------------------

Posting which started the fundraising:
http://lists.berlios.de/pipermail/python-spe-mac/2005-August/000054.html

-----------------------------------------------------------------

List of people who donated (donations without paypal commission fees):

    * Rich Brown, Dartware (250 euro)
    * Brian Myers (100 euro)
    * Stefan Csomor, Advanced Concepts (50 euro)
    * Stefano Morandi (50 euro)
    * Kenneth McDonald (40 euro)
    * Phil Hargett (10 euro)

Who is next?



From aryeh at bigfoot.com  Tue Aug 23 16:20:25 2005
From: aryeh at bigfoot.com (ah)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 16:20:25 +0200
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] macholib  example
Message-ID: <003101c5a7ed$ce458f00$f30101c0@dev03>

Hello all,

Does someone have a usage example of macholib for 
Re-writing all Libraries in a directory with @executable_path ?


Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Arye.



From bob at redivi.com  Fri Aug 26 02:38:30 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 17:38:30 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] macholib  example
In-Reply-To: <003101c5a7ed$ce458f00$f30101c0@dev03>
References: <003101c5a7ed$ce458f00$f30101c0@dev03>
Message-ID: <4ACCF8C9-70AC-4E80-B7FB-4FE0A88DA5E1@redivi.com>


On Aug 23, 2005, at 7:20 AM, ah wrote:

> Does someone have a usage example of macholib for
> Re-writing all Libraries in a directory with @executable_path ?

Take a look at the macho_standalone script it comes with.  It does  
that for an application, which is probably what you're trying to do  
anyway.

-bob


From alex at tweedly.net  Fri Aug 26 17:35:44 2005
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 16:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] [Pythoncard-users] Re: PythonCard on OS X 10.4
 with Python 2.4.1
In-Reply-To: <84A0916DE0C449648B8DF7D3366FCAFA.MAI@eutropia.biz>
References: <84A0916DE0C449648B8DF7D3366FCAFA.MAI@eutropia.biz>
Message-ID: <430F36D0.2070500@tweedly.net>

adriano at euma.com wrote:

>Hello listers,
>
>
>"Samuel M. Smith" <smithsm at samuelsmith.org> wrote on 08/25/2005 10:53:55 
>AM:
>
>  
>
>>Anybody have any luck in getting PythonCard to work on OS X 10.4x 
>>with Python 2.4.1?
>>The PythonCard websit is limited to Panther instructions. I saw a 
>>post where someone got it to work with Python 2.3.5.
>>    
>>
>
>There's a current thread about this in the PythonCard-users group,
>under the non-clear subject name: 
>
>        Re: update (was: Re: [Pythoncard-users] supposed bug in 
>PythonCard)
>
>
>Yes I originated the thread. I found a bug in Pythoncard with python 2.4.1 and wxPython 2.6.1.0 and
>PythonCard 0.8.1
>
>It's not "supposed". It's a quite clearly a bug.
>
>  
>
Adriano -
the only reason the subject line says "supposed bug ..." is because 
that's the subject line you chose for your initial posting to the 
Pythoncard list on this topic :-)

As you say, there definitely is a bug, and I believe it can be reliably 
reproduced (since it's Mac only, I cannot reproduce it myself, but I 
believe everyone on Mac can do so).

Something appears to have changed wrt the path that Python's sys.modules 
reports for imported files. As far as I know, no-one has yet verified 
for sure whether it is a Python bug or merely a platform-specific change 
that Pythoncard will need to adjust for. (Nor do I know how we'll be 
able to adjust - but I'm hoping that some of the PythonCard / Mac users 
are investigating ....)

-- 
Alex Tweedly       http://www.tweedly.net

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From simon.brunning at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 18:53:21 2005
From: simon.brunning at gmail.com (Simon Brunning)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:53:21 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
Message-ID: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>

Complete and utter Mac newbie here - be gentle with me!

Hi, all. I've downloaded and installed MacPython 2.4.1 from
undefined.org. It installed happily enough, and seems to run fine. But
when I attempt to install PyObjC (from
pyobjc-1.3.7-py2.4-macosx10.4.zip) it says that it requires Python
2.4.

I think that may be something to do with the fact that the original
version of Python that came with the machine is still 'in charge'.
Starting Python on the command line gives me version 2.3.5 - and when
I installed appscript, it beccame available to Python 2.3.5 but not to
Python 2.4.

Now, I can appreciate that changing the version of Python that the OS
uses might not be a good idea, but how do I get 2.4.1 working with
appscript and PyObjC? Or is that a bad idea?

I'm running OSX 10.4.2 in a nice shiny new Powerbook, if that helps. ;-)

-- 
Cheers,
Simon B,
simon at brunningonline.net,
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/

From bob at redivi.com  Tue Aug 30 20:40:56 2005
From: bob at redivi.com (Bob Ippolito)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:40:56 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E36998E-ABDC-4871-B38E-1E6337BE3395@redivi.com>


On Aug 30, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Simon Brunning wrote:

> Complete and utter Mac newbie here - be gentle with me!
>
> Hi, all. I've downloaded and installed MacPython 2.4.1 from
> undefined.org. It installed happily enough, and seems to run fine. But
> when I attempt to install PyObjC (from
> pyobjc-1.3.7-py2.4-macosx10.4.zip) it says that it requires Python
> 2.4.

I think that installer is broken, compile from source.

> I think that may be something to do with the fact that the original
> version of Python that came with the machine is still 'in charge'.
> Starting Python on the command line gives me version 2.3.5 - and when
> I installed appscript, it beccame available to Python 2.3.5 but not to
> Python 2.4.

appscript does not have an installer for 2.4, you'll have to compile  
it and its 5 or 6 dependencies.

> Now, I can appreciate that changing the version of Python that the OS
> uses might not be a good idea, but how do I get 2.4.1 working with
> appscript and PyObjC? Or is that a bad idea?
>
> I'm running OSX 10.4.2 in a nice shiny new Powerbook, if that  
> helps. ;-)

-bob


From cdamundsen at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 20:59:35 2005
From: cdamundsen at gmail.com (Craig Amundsen)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 11:59:35 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -

On 8/30/05, Simon Brunning <simon.brunning at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that may be something to do with the fact that the original
> version of Python that came with the machine is still 'in charge'.
> Starting Python on the command line gives me version 2.3.5 - and when
> I installed appscript, it beccame available to Python 2.3.5 but not to
> Python 2.4.

The python you installed lives in /usr/local/bin. If you want it to
run when you type 'python' at the prompt you need to make sure that
/usr/local/bin is before /usr/bin in your path.

> Now, I can appreciate that changing the version of Python that the OS
> uses might not be a good idea, but how do I get 2.4.1 working with
> appscript and PyObjC? Or is that a bad idea?

When you build modules they are available to the version of python
that built them. So if you build appscript (and its many dependencies)
and PyObjC with 2.4.1, you'll be able to load them with 2.4.1.

- Craig

PS - Oh, and don't try to replace the Apple-supplied Python with a
newer version. Down that path lies madness and reinstallation of the
system. With proper attention, multiple versions of Python can live
quite happily on the Mac.

From simon.brunning at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 15:49:32 2005
From: simon.brunning at gmail.com (Simon Brunning)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:49:32 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <0E36998E-ABDC-4871-B38E-1E6337BE3395@redivi.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E36998E-ABDC-4871-B38E-1E6337BE3395@redivi.com>
Message-ID: <8c7f10c6050831064946f2564e@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/30/05, Bob Ippolito <bob at redivi.com> wrote:
> I think that installer is broken, compile from source.
> appscript does not have an installer for 2.4, you'll have to compile
> it and its 5 or 6 dependencies.

Thanks. I've grabbed source copies of all of these, and I'll have a
bash with them this evening.

It should be just a matter of unzipping and running:

/usr/local/bin/python setup install

On each of them, right? (In the right order, naturally. ;-)

-- 
Cheers,
Simon B,
simon at brunningonline.net,
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/

From simon.brunning at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 15:56:22 2005
From: simon.brunning at gmail.com (Simon Brunning)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:56:22 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/30/05, Craig Amundsen <cdamundsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> The python you installed lives in /usr/local/bin. If you want it to
> run when you type 'python' at the prompt you need to make sure that
> /usr/local/bin is before /usr/bin in your path.

Or I can just invoke the /usr/local/bin version explicitly, yes? Seems
to work...

How do I specify that in a shebang line? I tried "#!/usr/local/bin
python", but I got a "bad interpreter: Permission denied" error
message.

> > Now, I can appreciate that changing the version of Python that the OS
> > uses might not be a good idea, but how do I get 2.4.1 working with
> > appscript and PyObjC? Or is that a bad idea?
> 
> When you build modules they are available to the version of python
> that built them. So if you build appscript (and its many dependencies)
> and PyObjC with 2.4.1, you'll be able to load them with 2.4.1.

As I thought.

> PS - Oh, and don't try to replace the Apple-supplied Python with a
> newer version. Down that path lies madness and reinstallation of the
> system. With proper attention, multiple versions of Python can live
> quite happily on the Mac.

Thanks. I won't do that, then. ;-)

-- 
Cheers,
Simon B,
simon at brunningonline.net,
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/

From cdamundsen at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 17:26:09 2005
From: cdamundsen at gmail.com (Craig Amundsen)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 08:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
	<8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8dc0c28f05083108266c8ac273@mail.gmail.com>

Hi -

> Or I can just invoke the /usr/local/bin version explicitly, yes? Seems
> to work...
> 
> How do I specify that in a shebang line? I tried "#!/usr/local/bin
> python", but I got a "bad interpreter: Permission denied" error
> message.

Did you mean #! /usr/local/bin/python
or                  #! /usr/local/bin python ?

The first line works for me, the second does not.

- Craig

From simon.brunning at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 17:47:35 2005
From: simon.brunning at gmail.com (Simon Brunning)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:47:35 +0100
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8dc0c28f05083108266c8ac273@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
	<8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>
	<8dc0c28f05083108266c8ac273@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c7f10c605083108474a863cce@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/31/05, Craig Amundsen <cdamundsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Or I can just invoke the /usr/local/bin version explicitly, yes? Seems
> > to work...
> >
> > How do I specify that in a shebang line? I tried "#!/usr/local/bin
> > python", but I got a "bad interpreter: Permission denied" error
> > message.
> 
> Did you mean #! /usr/local/bin/python
> or                  #! /usr/local/bin python ?

I meant the latter - the first version works for me too. Thanks.

I extrapolated "#! /usr/local/bin python" from the shebang line that
ran stuff with the OS's version of Python, "#!/usr/bin/env python".
Clearly, I don't have a clue as yet. ;-)

Still-in-the-foothills-ly y'rs,
Simon B,
simon at brunningonline.net,
http://www.brunningonline.net/simon/blog/

From dangoor at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 20:53:27 2005
From: dangoor at gmail.com (Kevin Dangoor)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 14:53:27 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <8c7f10c605083108474a863cce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>
	<8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>
	<8dc0c28f05083108266c8ac273@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c7f10c605083108474a863cce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f085ecd050831115310490917@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/31/05, Simon Brunning <simon.brunning at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/31/05, Craig Amundsen <cdamundsen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Did you mean #! /usr/local/bin/python
> > or                  #! /usr/local/bin python ?
> 
> I meant the latter - the first version works for me too. Thanks.
> 
> I extrapolated "#! /usr/local/bin python" from the shebang line that
> ran stuff with the OS's version of Python, "#!/usr/bin/env python".
> Clearly, I don't have a clue as yet. ;-)

#!/usr/bin/env python

is actually saying to invoke the "env" command (you can type 'man env'
to see what that command's all about). This particular usage of env
does not actually do anything of value, as far as I can see. You could
have gotten the equivalent working with your python of choice by doing
this:

#!/usr/bin/env /usr/local/bin/python

Kevin

From rkern at ucsd.edu  Wed Aug 31 21:18:39 2005
From: rkern at ucsd.edu (Robert Kern)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 12:18:39 -0700
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python 2.4.1 not replacing earlier versions.
In-Reply-To: <3f085ecd050831115310490917@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c7f10c60508300953742b2874@mail.gmail.com>	<8dc0c28f05083011594b8ca217@mail.gmail.com>	<8c7f10c605083106562457c074@mail.gmail.com>	<8dc0c28f05083108266c8ac273@mail.gmail.com>	<8c7f10c605083108474a863cce@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f085ecd050831115310490917@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4316028F.7000206@ucsd.edu>

Kevin Dangoor wrote:

> #!/usr/bin/env python
> 
> is actually saying to invoke the "env" command (you can type 'man env'
> to see what that command's all about). This particular usage of env
> does not actually do anything of value, as far as I can see.

It selects the first executable named "python" in the PATH. The shebang
line requires an explicit executable. For example,

  #!python

does not work.

-- 
Robert Kern
rkern at ucsd.edu

"In the fields of hell where the grass grows high
 Are the graves of dreams allowed to die."
  -- Richard Harter

From bsharitt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 01:46:19 2005
From: bsharitt at gmail.com (Brandon Sharitt)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Pythonmac-SIG] py2app and Bittornado
Message-ID: <4164bfb2050830164636b23b73@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to get Bittornado to run on Mac OS X (10.4 with Python 
2.3.5) but I've only ever dealt with Python at lower lever scripting 
stuff, never wxPython or another GUI stuff. py2app is supposed to be 
the tool to create Mac friendly Python applications(like py2exe on 
Windows), but the documentation for py2app doesn't seem to be much 
help. The setup.py script that comes with BitTornado doesn't run when I 
type python setup.py py2app and produces the following error: 

usage: setup.py [global_opts] cmd1 [cmd1_opts] [cmd2 [cmd2_opts] ...] 
   or: setup.py --help [cmd1 cmd2 ...] 
   or: setup.py --help-commands 
   or: setup.py cmd --help 

error: invalid command 'py2app' (no module named 
'distutils.command.py2app') 

When I drag the script to PackageInstaller, it creates a Mac installer 
package, but all that does is mostly copy the the sane stuff stuff to 
/usr/local/bin and when I try to run btdownloadgui.py all I get is: 

Traceback (most recent call last): 
  File "btdownloadgui.py", line 29, in ? 
    from BitTornado.ConfigReader import configReader 
  File "/Library/Python/2.3/site-pack ages/BitTornado/ConfigReader.p y", 
line 40, in ? 
    _CHECKINGCOLOR = 
ColorToHex(wxSystemSettings_Ge tColour(wxSYS_COLOUR_3DSHADOW) ) 
  File 
"/BinaryCache/wxWidgets/wxWidg ets-2.root~174/System/Library/
Frameworks/Python.framework/Ve rsions/2.3/Extras/lib/python/w
x-2.5.3-mac-unicode/wx/_misc.p y",
line 145, in SystemSettings_GetColour 
wx._core.PyNoAppError: The wx.App object must be created first! 

I also made my own setup file using the sparse documentation on
py2app, but that just produces a broken app. Maybe I got the setup.py
wrong.

Any help would be appreciated. Either reply to this or email me.