<html><head></head><body>-1, as others. The suggestions given so far are good: prominent message on the website, and in the main docstring.<div><br></div><div>Juan. </div><div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote" style="color:black"><br>From: <span style="color:black">'Kevin Keraudren' via scikit-image</span> <a href="mailto:scikit-image@googlegroups.com"><scikit-image@googlegroups.com></a><br>Reply: <span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:scikit-image@googlegroups.com">scikit-image@googlegroups.com</a></span> <a href="mailto:scikit-image@googlegroups.com"><scikit-image@googlegroups.com></a><br>Date: <span style="color:black">26 April 2016 at 9:49:15 PM</span><br>To: <span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:scikit-image@googlegroups.com">scikit-image@googlegroups.com</a></span> <a href="mailto:scikit-image@googlegroups.com"><scikit-image@googlegroups.com></a><br>Subject: <span style="color:black"> Re: Opinion poll: feedback URL upon import <br></span></div><br> <blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_quote"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Noisy output at import is bad. In addition to the
suggestions previously made, what about also mentioning the
feedback url in the main docstring of skimage, something like
here: <a href="https://github.com/scikit-image/scikit-image/blob/master/skimage/__init__.py#L9">https://github.com/scikit-image/scikit-image/blob/master/skimage/__init__.py#L9</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Jaidev
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:40 PM, 'Robin
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<div dir="ltr">I agree with the others: please don't do this!
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<div>However, being more obvious about wanting feedback, via the
website, mailing list, in conference presentations etc, is
definitely a good idea.</div>
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On Tuesday, 26 April 2016 08:05:42 UTC+1, Christoph wrote:</span>
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<div><span>Hi,</span></div>
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<div><span>I agree with Emma, as a scikit-image user, I would find
it annoying.</span></div>
<div><span>Especially if it catches on and many other Python
packages start doing the same.</span></div>
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<div><span>It’s probably very rare, but if people check the text
output of their library or application and use scikit-image
somewhere, this could even break their test build.</span></div>
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<div><span>In Astropy there has also been some discussion about how
to get feedback from users. There the discussion was more along the
lines of wanting to collect info which platform, versions are in
use, and which sub-packages and functions in the Astropy package
are used. I.e. there was discussion about adding some code to send
such usage stats info to a server, like many apps do. This didn’t
happen, I think the idea has been dropped.</span></div>
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<div><span>It would be very nice and important to get more feedback
from users!</span></div>
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<div><span>But it seems to me that asking for it on the website
like Emma proposes or in conversations and presentations might be
the safer way.</span></div>
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<div><span>Christoph</span></div>
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<div>On 26 Apr 2016, at 08:49, Emmanuelle Gouillart <<a rel="nofollow">emmanuelle...@nsup.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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Hi Stéfan</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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I'm quite against it, since it's a feature that would push
scikit-image</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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to be more an application and less a self-standing library: we
would like</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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any other package to be able to import skimage in their code
without</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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bothering about such messages. Indeed, such a message at import is
only</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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useful/relevant for people that use scikit-image deliberately and
as an</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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important part of their workflow, not so much for people that
import</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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skimage in another projects, or that just use a couple of functions
of</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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scikit-image (but it's not the core part of their workflow). I
consider</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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it important for scikit-image to be a versatile block of the
ecosystem,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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and not only an application at the end of the "food
chain".<span> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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We could advertise the feedback form in a different way, for
example by</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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making it very visible on the website. With 20000 unique visitors
coming</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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to the website every month, I hope that we could get some
feedback...<span> </span></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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Best,</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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Emma</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:29:03PM +0000, Stéfan van der Walt
wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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Hi all,<br></blockquote>
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It has been difficult to discover use cases of scikit-image out in
the wild<br>
(even though I know they are plentiful, and users would excitedly
tell me about<br>
them at conferences once the topic is broached).<br></blockquote>
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So, I was wondering if it would be considered bad form to print a
message upon<br>
importing scikit-image, something along the lines
of:<br></blockquote>
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"Thank you for using scikit-image v0.12! Please help us by telling
us about<br>
your use-case at <a href="http://scikit-image.org/feedback?v=0.12.3" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://scikit-image.org/feedback?v=0.12.3</a>"<br></blockquote>
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Thanks for your feedback,<br></blockquote>
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Stéfan<br></blockquote>
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How about posting this message when skimage is installed? It could
be added to the setup.py script. But that would be visible only for
users installing skimage from source, since pip / conda / enpkg
would most probably suppress the message.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Would it make sense to add a message in
the LICENSE file?</div>
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