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<p>I'm not against it, but the stuff at the top of the page about
related libraries, docs, getting started, etc. should not
disappear, though it might move to another site, or be at the head
of all the related sites. Since NumPy is the base package, and is
now better known than SciPy, perhaps that material can move
there. I think it would be a mistake to have one page per package
and not to let new users know what the other packages are, how
they fit together, how to get docs that describe using them
together, how to connect to the community, etc.<br>
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<p>Also, there should be no confusion on a well written and well
designed site. The text can concisely communicate that "SciPy"
refers both to a specific package and to the community of
packages, other resources, and people. Whether it's "SciPy" or
not, we need a term for this ecosystem. It isn't the worst thing
in the world to change the term, especially as use has spread from
science to pretty much everything numerical. We've used "Python
Numerical Core" in a recent funding proposal and community white
paper. "Numerical Python" is shorter, though the term has some
history from the early days. I don't (yet!) have a strong opinion
on what the term should be, as long as it is relatively short,
descriptive, and obvious.</p>
<p>It isn't even clear to me that the term itself needs its own web
page, though of course that's a possibility. I think most people
will land in our universe either by googling the term "numpy" or
something like "python math library" (which might take them to the
wrong place at first), or going to numpy.org, following someone's
advice or a link. Wherever users are likely to land should have
some intro material about the ecosystem at the top, and not just
dive into the specifics of that module, as numpy.org does,
currently.<br>
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<p>--jh--<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/24/19 5:59 AM, Ralf Gommers wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all,</div>
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<div>The <a href="https://scipy.org/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://scipy.org/</a>
website has always been about SciPy the ecosystem not SciPy
the project/library, and it's always resulted in confusion. I
propose we finally change that. From my review of a recent PR
[1] to the <a href="http://scipy.org" moz-do-not-send="true">scipy.org</a>
website repo:<br>
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<div>"""<br>
Perhaps the confusing thing here is that <a
href="https://scipy.org" moz-do-not-send="true">https://scipy.org</a>
is about "SciPy the ecosystem" rather than "SciPy the
library". That's what we would really like to fix, then this
becomes a lot more straightforward. So far I had in mind to
have a replacement "ecosystem site" before changing <a
href="http://scipy.org" moz-do-not-send="true">scipy.org</a>,
however we could go without that. There really isn't that much
content on the current site that we'd have to remove, and some
of the things that are there now (like SciPy Stack) have
become irrelevant. We could easily say that `<a
href="http://scipy.org" moz-do-not-send="true">scipy.org</a>`
will be about SciPy the library, while keeping a page like <a
href="https://scipy.org/about.html" moz-do-not-send="true">https://scipy.org/about.html</a>
that explains the ecosystem context.</div>
<div>"""</div>
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<div>Besides some news about and doc hosting for NumPy releases,
there's not much content about other projects, and those other
projects don't seem to care. The "ecosystem" thing really has
had its time. "SciPy ecosystem" isn't even a preferred term
anymore I think, the "scientific" is seen as too narrow by a
lot of people. PyData or NumPy would be better qualifiers (or
some new umbrella term).</div>
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<div>We may not be able to do all the work straight away, but I
want to get approval for the decision to make <a
href="http://scipy.org" moz-do-not-send="true">scipy.org</a>
about the SciPy project now. <br>
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<div>Thoughts?<br>
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<div>Cheers,<br>
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<div>Ralf</div>
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<div>[1] <a href="https://github.com/scipy/scipy.org/pull/309"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/scipy/scipy.org/pull/309</a></div>
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