From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 01:04:56 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:05:07 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Toolbar Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A141@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have had to uninstall and reinstall Spambayes and after the > reinstall the Toolbar does not appear. I have tried > everything that was listed in the troubleshooting.html and it > has not been corrected. Any advice? What version of SpamBayes are you using? What do your log files have in them? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 01:06:38 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:06:56 2003 Subject: [SPAM] [Spambayes] Potential New Bug Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A143@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm running Windows XPSP1, Outlook 2003, and SpamBayes .081. > The incoming spam messages are marked as read, however, I > still get the Notificaion Area Icon for New Unread Messages. > Any ideas? Please read FAQ 3.9: =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 01:11:30 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:11:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A14A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Publish an installer which includes all 4 programs: > Python, Python-Win32, SpamBayes and SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup ! > > Would that be a good idea? > Obviously you have to ask Python.org - but they'd gain a lot > by being installed on many more computers... In the not-too-distant future, there will be an installer for Windows that installs either the Outlook plug-in, or a binary version of sb_server (covering those using POP3), or both if you really need both. Neither Python nor the win32 extensions are needed in that case (or, more accurately, the parts that are needed are included). =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 01:18:43 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 01:19:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Compiled proxy as exe Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A14C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Because i tried to get it running under Windows Xp Home > Edition, and it just complains about something (forgot to copy that) As Mark said, you're likely to get the same error with a compiled version, but it'll be harder to track down. If you can let us know what the error message is, we can probably suggest how you can fix it... =Tony Meyer From services at AndreasK.de Wed Oct 1 08:38:58 2003 From: services at AndreasK.de (AndreasK) Date: Wed Oct 1 08:41:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi! > > What a great program! Many many thanks ...! That was my main reason for writing. Just say thankyou ;-) Especially as it is a FREE programm. How do you all make money? > > because many Dummies might not be able to do all 4 steps ;-) > > Publish an installer which includes all 4 programs: > > Python, Python-Win32, SpamBayes and SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup ! > In the not-too-distant future, there will be an installer for > Windows that installs either the Outlook plug-in, or a binary > version of sb_server (covering those using POP3), or both if > you really need both. > Neither Python nor the win32 extensions are needed in that > case (or, more accurately, the parts that are needed are included). Good to know! Inform me so that I can inform my Dummy-friends. > > SpamBayes works just fine, removes 80%-90% SPAM automatically > spambayes "should be" doing better than that. Actually, it does. Far better. 80-90% was a fast-shot-from-the-hip. I have retrained (1674 good and 1900 spam) - and today it sucked away 80 spam mails and missed only 2. The problem is obviously NEW FORMS of spam. And I don't blame SpamBayes for it. And then it's a quick click-and-away, that's ok for me. > If your primary language isn't English, > that could explain it, as *most* developers and testers here use English. > If, for example, your primary email language is German, then the Outlook > addin's > [Tokenizer] > replace_nonascii_chars: True > setting may be inappropriate for you OK, I have changed it to: replace_nonascii_chars: False correct? Do I have to RETRAIN? Should I discard my "old" spambayes database before? > and the default skip_max_word_size value of 12 may be too small > (13-character words like Unterst?tzung are hurt by both of those: > first the ? gets replaced by a question mark due to > replace_nonascii_chars, and then the whole word gets replaced by a > synthesized "skip: U 10" token because 13 > 12). Do you really think I should change that, too? Any disadvantages? WHERE, in which file (there are 2 Options.py and 2 tokenizer.py files containing skip_max_word_size) Why is there no .INI file for the main spambayes program? > Still, I appreciate that it's better than nothing even > with the poor performance you reported . YES. Thanks again, Andreas From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 1 10:09:32 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:09:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16250.57372.554691.534279@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> SpamBayes works just fine, removes 80%-90% SPAM automatically and >> learns with each manually deleted spam mail. Wow. Great. Only 4 >> non-spam mails (out of hundreds) were wrongly treated as spam so far >> - and they actually looked like Spam, I have to admit. Tim> spambayes "should be" doing better than that. [lots of good stuff deleted] I used that as the basis for a new q&a in the FAQ about using SpamBayes with non-English languages. What does "?nterst?tzung"mean? Skip From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 1 10:32:42 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:32:56 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16250.58762.107779.893252@montanaro.dyndns.org> Andreas> OK, I have changed it to: Andreas> replace_nonascii_chars: False Andreas> correct? Yup. Andreas> Do I have to RETRAIN? It would be helpful. Andreas> Should I discard my "old" spambayes database before? Yes. >> and the default skip_max_word_size value of 12 may be too small >> (13-character words like Unterst?tzung are hurt by both of those: >> first the ? gets replaced by a question mark due to >> replace_nonascii_chars, and then the whole word gets replaced by a >> synthesized "skip: U 10" token because 13 > 12). Andreas> Do you really think I should change that, too? Any Andreas> disadvantages? It's definitely worth a try. You should probably keep it below 30. If you set it longer than that, you will probably start to treat lots of binary gibberish as words. In any case, you might want to test to see how it does with various values (15, 20, 25, 30). The longer this is, the larger your database will be as well. Andreas> WHERE, in which file (there are 2 Options.py and 2 tokenizer.py Andreas> files containing skip_max_word_size) Why is there no .INI file Andreas> for the main spambayes program? There is, but you have to create it. Call it anything you want then set the BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable to point to it. There should be no need to modify the Options.py source file. Skip From Alexander at Leidinger.net Wed Oct 1 10:49:06 2003 From: Alexander at Leidinger.net (Alexander Leidinger) Date: Wed Oct 1 10:49:36 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: <16250.57372.554691.534279@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <16250.57372.554691.534279@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20031001164906.24c2641d.Alexander@Leidinger.net> On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 09:09:32 -0500 Skip Montanaro wrote: > > >> SpamBayes works just fine, removes 80%-90% SPAM automatically and > >> learns with each manually deleted spam mail. Wow. Great. Only 4 > >> non-spam mails (out of hundreds) were wrongly treated as spam so far > >> - and they actually looked like Spam, I have to admit. > > Tim> spambayes "should be" doing better than that. > [lots of good stuff deleted] > > I used that as the basis for a new q&a in the FAQ about using SpamBayes with > non-English languages. What does "?nterst?tzung"mean? The first one is not an umlaut, it's a plain "U". German <-> English Unterst?tzung {f}; Begleitung {f}; Zusatz {m}; R?ckhalt {m} <-> backing Unterst?tzung {f}; St?tze {f}; R?ckhalt {m} <-> support Unterst?tzung {f}; F?rderung {f} <-> funding Erleichterung {f}; Unterst?tzung {f}; Hilfe {f} <-> relief F?rderung {f}; Unterst?tzung {f} <-> promotion Hilfe {f}; Unterst?tzung {f} <-> assistance ohne Unterst?tzung <-> unassisted moralische Unterst?tzung {f} <-> moral support Bye, Alexander. -- Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach him to use the Net and he won't bother you for weeks. http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander @ Leidinger.net GPG fingerprint = C518 BC70 E67F 143F BE91 3365 79E2 9C60 B006 3FE7 From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 1 11:52:08 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Oct 1 11:52:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] gold mine In-Reply-To: <200310011359.h91DxP9h012807@superman.pns.networktel.net> References: <200310011359.h91DxP9h012807@superman.pns.networktel.net> Message-ID: <16250.63528.74090.559285@montanaro.dyndns.org> Scott> Please let me know when the new installer will be ready. Is there Scott> a cost for this software? If you system will work with Goldmine, Scott> it will open up a very large market for you. Your best bet is to subscribe to the low-volume spambayes-announce mailing list. You can subscribe here: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-announce SpamBayes is free software, so no matter how big the Goldmine market is, we won't make a penny. There is a group working on a commercial version of the Outlook plugin: http://www.inboxer.com/ They may be interested in that market. Skip From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 1 14:55:03 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Wed Oct 1 14:55:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Error converting database to a pickle Message-ID: <002a01c3884d$85f76c30$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Hi, Because of my problems with pop3proxy_service, I was advised to switch to a pickle. I have tried converting my existing database to a pickle as I don't really want to loose my training, but I get the following error :- C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -D message_info_database.db -f mess age.export Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 262, in ? runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 110, in runExport words.remove(bayes.statekey) ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list I have also tried using the -d instead of -D, but that produced the following error :- C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -d message_info_database.db -f mess age.export Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 262, in ? runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 112, in runExport bayes = spambayes.storage.PickledClassifier(dbFN) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 90, in __init_ _ self.load() File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 113, in load tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) EOFError Any suggestions ? TIA Alan --- mailto:alan@mullen.demon.co.uk http://www.mullen.demon.co.uk/ From Darrell.Comeau at nserc.ca Wed Oct 1 15:26:04 2003 From: Darrell.Comeau at nserc.ca (Darrell.Comeau@nserc.ca) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:23:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Drag and Drop does not work when in "Find" mode Message-ID: <64AEE8C4C552D4408549B1AB659500AE013EB4ED@ntmail1> I have installed SpamBayes (Outlook Addin beta, Binary Version 0.6 July 29, 2003) in Outlook 2002 (Office XP) running on Windows 2000 Professional SP2. When I do a search of my mailbox using the "Find" or "Advanced Find" feature in Outlook, I cannot drag and drop anything that is in the find display into another folder. A Microsoft Outlook message appears saying "Can`t move item" or "Can`t copy item". I am able to select the item(s) and then use the menu command "Edit > Move to folder..." or "Edit > Copy to folder...". If I clear the find so that all the messages display, I am then able to drag and drop items between folders. If SpamBayes is not installed, I am able to drag and drop items that display in the "Find" or "Advanced Find" feature in Outlook. Any suggestions on how I can leave SpamBayes installed and still have the drag and drop function work while using the "Find" or "Advanced Find" feature in Outlook. -End- From gerrit at nl.linux.org Wed Oct 1 15:49:21 2003 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:49:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trained as ham, classified as spam Message-ID: <20031001194921.GA13917@nl.linux.org> Hi, I have trained the forwarded message as ham, and fed it to sb_filter.py afterwards. It is still classified as spam! Does this mean that looks like ham, but looks much more like spam? 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Her brothers can raise no claim thereto. -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law -- Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering: http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/ Het zijn tijden om je zelf met politiek te bemoeien: http://www.sp.nl/ From bpage at rtconline.com Wed Oct 1 15:50:50 2003 From: bpage at rtconline.com (Brooks Page) Date: Wed Oct 1 15:54:44 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Duplicate messages Message-ID: <000001c38855$50beb8e0$6f2da8c0@rtcreserve.rtconline.com> I installed SpamBayes a week ago on this PC and immediately began receiving duplicate messages. I am running Win2K w/ SP4; Outlook 2002 w/ SP2; SpamBayes binary version 0.81; and have no log files for SpamBayes in my \documents and settings\username\local settings\temp files, although there are other temp files shown. SpamBayes seems to be running OK- filtering most of the spam to the Spam folder now, but most of the time, I get multiple copies of the same message- anywhere from two or three, and up to as many as nineteen. I do receive some messages only once. (I have had SpamBayes running at home for about a month with no problems, using the same mailserver as here at work.) I had several rules here at work which I created in the past which were working fine before SpamBayes, and I unchecked all of them to prevent any conflicts, but it made no difference. I have about six e-mail addresses I monitor. I temporarily disabled all but my primary address, but this made no difference. (I happened to look at my mailbox on the mailserver and saw a couple of e-mails on the mailserver that I had already received!) I then unchecked the "Enable SpamBayes" checkbox in the manager. I immediately stopped getting multiple messages. I then enabled SpamBayes again and began receiving multiple messages again. I am running Norton's Corporate Edition anti-virus which I can't temporarily disable, so I can't eliminate that as a possible cause. Now I'm hitting the proverbial brick wall. Sure could use some words of experience here... From cagii at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 17:05:38 2003 From: cagii at earthlink.net (CAG) Date: Wed Oct 1 17:06:05 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py takes over system when using web interface? Message-ID: Hello, I am (attempting) to run spambayes pop3proxy on a debian/GNU linux machine (~500mhz celeron). Python v2.3. After setting the BAYESCUSTOMIZE env variable and setting the .ini file to use a pickle for storage, I am able to successfully start spambayes by running the sb_server.py script and configure spambayes through the web interface. However, whenever I attempt to classify ham/spam through the web interface, the sb_server.py process jumps to ~99% cpu and will stay there, during which time no incoming or outgoing pop3/smtp connections are possible. Using the mail forward method of classifying ham/spam seems to work O.K. Any suggestions? I am totally new to python/spambayes and am kind of stuck here! Thanks. From seant at webreply.com Wed Oct 1 18:49:34 2003 From: seant at webreply.com (Sean True) Date: Wed Oct 1 18:49:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamAtBay 1.1 Final Beta available. Message-ID: <003c01c3886e$48e23430$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com> It's been a while since I updated the list on where we were with SpamAtBay/InBoxer. We are now in the prerelease cycle for 1.1, and I am announcing a final beta. I plan to wait a week and then change the version string and call it a release. SpamAtBay is a commercial spam filter for Outlook 2000+, based on the open source Spambayes project, extended with bug fixes, functionality, documentation, and support. We share ideas and occasional code with Mark Hammond. Many of the features announced here have been added independently to the SpamBayes code base. We've (regretably, and with regrets) forked the Outlook code. Mark adds features faster than we can absorb them, and we have a customer base to _answer_ to. The core engine remains the same, thank goodness. Brief history: I wrote the first, really, really bad integration with Outlook, using VBA and a Python COM server. Mark Hammond thought the idea was neat, but that the execution was, err, flawed, and pretty much rewrote it from scratch. Over the last 5 months, I've had a team of several people working on polishing, layout, docs, QA, and (gag) marketing oriented features. We have released a version for sale under the InBoxer label which is getting very nice reviews (most of the credit to the developers here). We're focusing on Tim's "easy enough for my sister" metric. Supported systems: Win98SE, ME, NT 4, Win2K, XP; Outlook 2000/2002/XP/2003. Not supported: Win95; Outlook Express. If you were a beta tester for 1.0 you already have a permanent activation code. If you are a SpamBayes developer (code, docs, frequent question on the list answerer, etc) you can ask me for an activation code, and get one. If you are interested in testing SpamAtBay or evaluating, you get a 14 day trial from our standard download site. Go to http://sean.t.spamatbay.com/referafriend.fhtml and fill out the brief form. A download link will come back to you via email. If you want to test the other product built from this codebase, you can find it at http://www.inboxer.com. InBoxer comes with a 21 day free trial, and SpamBayes developers (see above for loose definition) are also entitled to a free activation key. Feel free to use it for a parent or a sibling. Then they can call us instead of you. ================================================================ Changes to SpamAtBay Version 1.1 New features include : * The advanced menu now offers an option for merging an external database of Spam statistics with your current database. You can use this feature for sharing your Spam statistics with friends, or for merging Spam statistics provided by us. * There is a checkbox in the filter dialog (which can be reached from the control panel) which enables the new "Mark Spam as read" feature. Messages which are categorized as spam by statistics, or which are designated as spam using the toolbar button are marked as "read" before being moved into the Spam folder. * There is a new button on the control panel which will allow you to change the data directory. If you use multiple workstations to read your mail, but only use them one at the time, and you have access to a network drive you can use this button to let each workstation access your personal Spam statistics. Simultaneous access by two users, or by two copies of Outlook from the same user is not supported. * Multiple Outlook profiles are now supported: when you upgrade to version 1.1 your statistics databases will be copied into new profile specific files. Additional profiles will use unique statistics files, and if you downgrade to version 1.0 any changes to your statistics since the installation of version 1.1 will be lost. * Hotmail folders are now supported for filtering, and can be watched like any other Outlook mail folder in Outlook 2002, Outlook XP, and Outlook 2003. The Hotmail "junk mail" folder cannot be watched. This is a limitation of Microsoft Outlook. * A new menu item, Filter Current Folder Now, has been added to the advanced menu. This menu item allows you to quickly filter your currently selected folder. * A system tray icon now shows when the software is actively filtering messages. Typically, this will happen right after Outlook downloads messages into your inbox. The system tray icon will also show a green envelope when there is non-spam waiting to be read. Double-clicking the system tray icon when the green envelope is present will read the oldest unread, non-Spam message. The green envelope will show only mail that arrives in folders we are watching. * If you hover over the system tray icon, the software will now show you statistics of Spam, non--Spam, and unsure messages for the current run of Outlook, as well as how many messages are waiting to be seen with a double-click. * Right clicking on the system tray icon brings up a popup menu. * The system tray icon can be disabled and enabled from the Control Panel. * The sliders in the filtering dialog which set the threshold above which a message will be categorized as unsure, or as spam, are now linked in such a way that the threshold for unsure Spam cannot be set higher than the threshold for certain Spam; and so that the threshold for certain Spam cannot be set lower than the threshold for unsure Spam. * Outlook 2003 is now show is completely supported by the install dialog. * The size of the adults, health, and money statistics databases have been decreased, and they will now adapt faster to your personal definitions. In general, these databases have been superseded by the default database, and will be made into an optional download in a future version of the software. Other specialized databases for particular kinds of Spam may also be made available for download. * In Outlook 2003, we now use any messages in the "Junk E-mail" folder as training messages. * The Setup Wizard now warns the user if the configuration that was selected is not valid, which can happen if the user cancels the Setup Wizard. * The registration code is now insensitive to leading or trailing blanks. Bug fixes: * Uninstall will now optionally uninstall all data files, allowing you to do a complete uninstall of the program. The default behavior is to leave data files intact, while uninstalling the program files. This allows you to uninstall and install an upgrade of the software without losing your current Spam statistics. * Mail filtering is now disabled during training, and when you are manually filtering a selected folder. Items which come and during these times will be filtered when the activities are complete. * Additional users on the same machine can now be installed without administrative privileges. Previously, the software allowed such installation but it did not work consistently. * Unicode folder names are now accepted, improving the usability of the software in non-English environments. * The size of the impersonal database has been reduced substantially, and the database will now adapt much more quickly to your personal definition of Spam. The database is still derived from more than 17,000 messages, but only the most significant information is now retained. * Microsoft Exchange compatibility has been improved, and failures due to temporary network or server issues appear to be less common. * We now put up an hourglass while building the folder views for selecting filters for training and filtering. * Occasionally, messages would get remarked unread after being read. This should now be corrected. * White list and blacklist code has been substantially improved, and will deal with bad or missing addresses better. In particular, this code should now work better with internal Exchange addresses, allowing you to white list all people on your own Exchange server. * The persistent bug with occasionally missing toolbar buttons now appears to be fixed. * The about dialog now shows the proper length of trial period for the software. * Toolbar buttons are now shown even when the inbox is empty at startup. Thanks for your indulgence and occasional encouragement. -- Sean Sean True and the SpamAtBay and InBoxer teams. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 19:38:22 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:40:03 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trained as ham, classified as spam Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A335@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have trained the forwarded message as ham, and fed it to > sb_filter.py afterwards. It is still classified as spam! Does > this mean that looks like ham, but looks much more like spam? > Is there a way to have this false positive being classified as ham? More useful than the message itself would be the clues that it generates with your database. You can get these via the web interface (the classify message box). You should be able to see why it's being classified as spam (i.e. which tokens are making the difference), but you can post them here, too, and someone is bound to comment. It would also help to know how much data you have fed to spambayes - note that it works best with roughly equal numbers of ham and spam, so if this isn't the case, then that might be the problem. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 19:39:48 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:40:07 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Drag and Drop does not work when in "Find" mode Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A338@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have installed SpamBayes (Outlook Addin beta, Binary > Version 0.6 July 29, 2003) in Outlook 2002 (Office XP) running > on Windows 2000 Professional SP2. [...] > Any suggestions on how I can leave SpamBayes installed and > still have the drag and drop function work while using the > "Find" or "Advanced Find" feature in Outlook. I don't know whether this will work or not, but a lot of things have been fixed since version 006, so this might have been as well (although I don't recall seeing a description like this before, it might be related to the dialog problems that have been fixed). In any case, it would definitely be worth downloading 008.1 and seeing if that fixes the problem. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 1 19:52:27 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 1 19:52:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Toolbar Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A358@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I was using Outlook addin Version .7 but when I couldn't see > the toolbars I read the Bugs on Sourceforge and it looked > like the new version corrected the problem. So I downloaded > and installed Outlook addin version .8. As far as spambayes > being initialized on startup it appears to be working but the > toolbars are not showing up. Your logs all just have the "Registered SpamBayes" message, and none have the "Starting SpamBayes" message, so it looks like SpamBayes isn't starting up when you open up Outlook. Maybe the plug-in has been disabled by Outlook? You can see the list of diabled items (and re-enable them) from the "About Outlook" item in the "Help" menu (odd place for it, but not our fault...). =Tony Meyer From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 2 00:41:22 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 2 00:41:17 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Duplicate messages In-Reply-To: <000001c38855$50beb8e0$6f2da8c0@rtcreserve.rtconline.com> Message-ID: <064301c3889f$6e3858f0$f502a8c0@eden> Try going to the SpamBayes manager, the "Advanced" tab, and "Diagnostics" button. De-select "save spam score", and see if this fixes it. Also, the "background filtering" option may also have some impact. Please let me know either way. There is a bug on this at https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=61702&atid=498103&func=detail&aid= 747107, but it looks like it was closed - I just re-opened it. If it doesn't fix it, please attach a short log to that bug. Try starting Outlook, then the very first time you see this behaviour, immediately shut down Outlook - then attach the log from that session. Thanks, Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Brooks Page > Sent: Thursday, 2 October 2003 5:51 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Duplicate messages > > > I installed SpamBayes a week ago on this PC and immediately > began receiving > duplicate messages. I am running Win2K w/ SP4; Outlook 2002 w/ SP2; > SpamBayes binary version 0.81; and have no log files for > SpamBayes in my > \documents and settings\username\local settings\temp files, > although there > are other temp files shown. SpamBayes seems to be running > OK- filtering > most of the spam to the Spam folder now, but most of the time, I get > multiple copies of the same message- anywhere from two or > three, and up to > as many as nineteen. I do receive some messages only once. > (I have had > SpamBayes running at home for about a month with no problems, > using the same > mailserver as here at work.) I had several rules here at work which I > created in the past which were working fine before SpamBayes, and I > unchecked all of them to prevent any conflicts, but it made > no difference. > I have about six e-mail addresses I monitor. I temporarily > disabled all but > my primary address, but this made no difference. (I happened > to look at my > mailbox on the mailserver and saw a couple of e-mails on the > mailserver that > I had already received!) I then unchecked the "Enable > SpamBayes" checkbox > in the manager. I immediately stopped getting multiple > messages. I then > enabled SpamBayes again and began receiving multiple messages > again. I am > running Norton's Corporate Edition anti-virus which I can't > temporarily > disable, so I can't eliminate that as a possible cause. Now > I'm hitting the > proverbial brick wall. Sure could use some words of > experience here... > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Thu Oct 2 02:55:16 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Thu Oct 2 02:55:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Error converting database to a pickle Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A53E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have tried converting my existing database to a pickle > as I don't really want to loose my training, but I get the following > error :- > > C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts>sb_dbexpimp.py -e -D > message_info_database.db -f message.export > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 262, in ? > runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN) > File "C:\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_dbexpimp.py", line 110, in > runExport > words.remove(bayes.statekey) > ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list This is quite strange, because the db really should have that statekey in there. You could simply try removing that line from sb_dbexpimp.py and looking at the file produced. If it looks right (i.e. a '`' separated file filled with lots of ham/spam counts), then keep going, otherwise report back. > I have also tried using the -d instead of -D, but that produced the > following error :- [...] > tempbayes = pickle.load(fp) > EOFError This is the expected error when trying to open a pickle as a dbm, as in this case. IOW, -D is right, even though it's opposite to the other scripts (sigh). =Tony Meyer From gerrit at nl.linux.org Thu Oct 2 04:08:30 2003 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Thu Oct 2 04:08:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trained as ham, classified as spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A335@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A335@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20031002080830.GA2646@nl.linux.org> Meyer, Tony wrote: > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] trained as ham, classified as spam > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 01:40:48 +0200 > > I have trained the forwarded message as ham, and fed it to > > sb_filter.py afterwards. It is still classified as spam! Does > > this mean that looks like ham, but looks much more like spam? > > Is there a way to have this false positive being classified as ham? > > More useful than the message itself would be the clues that it generates > with your database. You can get these via the web interface (the > classify message box). Ah, this is indeed useful. I did not know this was possible, I thought the web interface was only for pop. I have been able to asnwer the question for myself now: it was a message which, by my ISP, was unjustly classified to contain a virus, and all messages which were justly classified as such have been trained as spam. Actually quite logical, now I think about it. > You should be able to see why it's being > classified as spam (i.e. which tokens are making the difference), but > you can post them here, too, and someone is bound to comment. It would > also help to know how much data you have fed to spambayes - note that it > works best with roughly equal numbers of ham and spam, so if this isn't > the case, then that might be the problem. Well, it is roughly equal, although I don't know how roughly is roughly. I trained with a little more spam than ham: probably approximately 60% spam. Maybe it would be the best to restart with training, because although ham and spam have been evenly spaced, a lot of trained spam was similar. I guess I have to learn to work with spambayes better. Thanks for your answer! Gerrit. -- 204. If a freed man strike the body of another freed man, he shall pay ten shekels in money. -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law -- Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering: http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/ Het zijn tijden om je zelf met politiek te bemoeien: http://www.sp.nl/ From jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 2 04:17:26 2003 From: jackmanlosa at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Jackie=20Lan=20Manlosa?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 04:17:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Effectiveness Message-ID: <20031002081726.18097.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I know that Spambayes uses bayesian filtering... Now, I am asking would it still be effective if I am for example receiving 4 millions mails a day? Would it not tire my CPU, coz as far as I know it, Bayesian Algorythm is a CPU intensive Algorythm (Im still faithful to bayesian though, just asking) Thanks! --------------------------------- Want to chat instantly with your online friends??Get the FREE Yahoo!Messenger From kj-tor at online.no Thu Oct 2 05:48:15 2003 From: kj-tor at online.no (=?Windows-1252?Q?Kjell_T._Borgsj=F8?=) Date: Thu Oct 2 05:42:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about Spambayes Outlook Plug In Message-ID: <000001c388ca$4dd67ee0$fddb4382@MICROSOFT.NO> I did install your program, and did learn it to recognize spam over some time. After a while my Outlook mail program start to do strange things. When I sent an e-mail it stored this e-mail in the outbox folder. Even if I did configure Outlook to send e-mails immediately. Now I have uninstalled Spambayes, but still there is some files left. Where are they? If a user go to the control panel and choose to uninstall Spambayes, so far ok. But after uninstalling it says that not all of the Spambayes files are deleted. That is quite irritating. Wher are these files etc.??? I have deleted the program folder in Programfiles, but still a Spambayes toolbar appears in Outlook. Kjell In Norway -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 4056 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031002/21feae34/winmail.bin From mgb at lindaandgary.com Thu Oct 2 08:17:14 2003 From: mgb at lindaandgary.com (gary) Date: Thu Oct 2 08:17:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Install problems Message-ID: <000301c388df$1d975f50$6801a8c0@universe> I have tried to install the outlook add in two times and have failed on both occasions. I just download the file this morning from http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html Near the end of the install I get the error message: Unable to register the Dll/ocx Dll Register server failed Code 0x000000000 The log file is empty. Thank Gary Gary R. Morrison From criecke at cxtec.com Thu Oct 2 09:06:19 2003 From: criecke at cxtec.com (Craig Riecke) Date: Thu Oct 2 09:06:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Building Outlook Plug-in From Source - Something Missing? Message-ID: I have been trying to build SpamBayes OL2K plugin from source by running in Outlook2000/installer/crank.py. I had to hard-code the directory in, and get the latest CVS copy of spambayes_addin.spec (not included in the source distrib). The script runs build.py OK, builds a spambayes_addin.dll, but then coughs on looking for gencache.dat. It looks like there needs to be a Outlook2000/installer/dist/support/gen_py directory when I'm done, but there is none there. Everything else under dist looks fine - /images, /doc, and all the python DLL's and so forth are there. Looking over everything, it seems that makepy must generate COM object wrappers that go here, but this is not being done. Vitals: WinXP, Python 2.2.3, McMillan Installer 5b5_5, win32all-156, Outlook 2000 installed on the build box. From pgp at AndreasK.de Thu Oct 2 10:44:54 2003 From: pgp at AndreasK.de (Andreas K (PGP please)) Date: Thu Oct 2 10:45:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: <16250.58762.107779.893252@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: Hi! Two thoughts that might make the thingy easier for beginners: > Andreas> OK, I have changed it to: > Andreas> replace_nonascii_chars: False > Andreas> correct? > Yup. 1) There are 2 places with a "default_bayes_customize.ini" Delete one - or rename it. Otherwise ... > Andreas> WHERE, in which file (there are 2 Options.py and 2 tokenizer.py > Andreas> files containing skip_max_word_size) Why is there no .INI file > Andreas> for the main spambayes program? > There is, but you have to create it. Call it anything you want then set the > BAYESCUSTOMIZE environment variable to point to it. There should be no need > to modify the Options.py source file. 2) Too complicated. Not for me, but for other people. Just include a *.INI file in the next distribution. my2(euro)cents, Andreas From cagii at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 11:03:52 2003 From: cagii at earthlink.net (CAG) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:04:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py takes over system when using web interface? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Strangely enough, this problem seems to be caused by the browser! Switching from mozilla firebird to internet explorer appears to have resolved it. Going back to firebird will replicate the error, restart the sb_server and connect with explorer, everything works great! tested with: Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 Internet Explorer 6.0.2800.1106 -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of CAG Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:06 PM To: spambayes@python.org Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py takes over system when using web interface? Hello, I am (attempting) to run spambayes pop3proxy on a debian/GNU linux machine (~500mhz celeron). Python v2.3. After setting the BAYESCUSTOMIZE env variable and setting the .ini file to use a pickle for storage, I am able to successfully start spambayes by running the sb_server.py script and configure spambayes through the web interface. However, whenever I attempt to classify ham/spam through the web interface, the sb_server.py process jumps to ~99% cpu and will stay there, during which time no incoming or outgoing pop3/smtp connections are possible. Using the mail forward method of classifying ham/spam seems to work O.K. Any suggestions? I am totally new to python/spambayes and am kind of stuck here! Thanks. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From Brandon.Jones at NAU.EDU Thu Oct 2 11:53:27 2003 From: Brandon.Jones at NAU.EDU (Jones, Brandon) Date: Thu Oct 2 11:55:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help - mysterious problem Message-ID: We've used SpamBayes for several months on 2 Windows XP (with Outlook XP) machines with no problems - it's a terrific product and we plan to deploy it for many of our 100+ users throughout the college. Last week we installed it on a Windows 2K (with Outlook XP) machine, and it seemed to be working fine. But when the user logged off and logged back in (he had Outlook in his startup folder so it loaded automatically on login), Outlook froze and an error message popped up saying that SpamBayes had caused a fatal error. The error asked if the user wanted to deactivate SpamBayes so Outlook could load, and he selected yes. Outlook loaded fine, but the SpamBayes buttons were gone from the toolbar. The user then called me for help. A description of what I tried is listed below. In each case, "FAILED" means the Object Libraries didn't load upon the first opening of Outlook after installing SpamBayes, and the SpamBayes buttons didn't show up on the Outlook toolbar. 1. Followed your suggestions in troubleshooting.html for resetting Outlook's toolbars and checking the logs. The logs contained no errors, and resetting the toolbars didn't bring the SpamBayes buttons back; Result: FAILED 2. Un-installed SpamBayes from the control panel; rebooted; re-installed SpamBayes; Opened Outlook; Result: FAILED 3. Un-installed SpamBayes and Outlook XP from the control panel; rebooted; re-installed Outlook XP (+ updates); re-installed SpamBayes; Opened Outlook; Result: FAILED 4. Un-installed SpamBayes and Outlook XP from the control panel; deleted all SpamBayes entries in the registry; rebooted; re-installed Outlook XP (+ updates); re-installed SpamBayes; Opened Outlook; Result: FAILED 5. Un-installed SpamBayes and Office XP from the control panel; deleted all SpamBayes entries in the registry; rebooted; re-installed Office XP (+ updates); re-installed SpamBayes; Opened Outlook; Result: FAILED 6. Un-installed SpamBayes and Office XP from the control panel; deleted all SpamBayes entries in the registry; Re-installed Windows 2000 Service Pack 4; rebooted; re-installed Office XP (+ updates); re-installed SpamBayes; Opened Outlook; Result: FAILED Each time SpamBayes was re-installed, the SpamBayes folder was put in C:/Program Files, and SpamBayes showed up in the Control Panel. But for some reason it will not load up with Outlook no matter what we do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brandon M. Jones Help Desk Coordinator College of Business Administration Northern Arizona University Box 15066 Flagstaff, AZ 86001 Eml: Brandon.Jones@nau.edu Web: http://www.cba.nau.edu Tel: 928.523.7237 Fax: 928.523.7331 From esterhai at foresitesports.com Thu Oct 2 13:36:59 2003 From: esterhai at foresitesports.com (Greg Esterhai) Date: Thu Oct 2 13:36:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Download Spambayes Message-ID: <004001c3890b$c8906e20$6501a8c0@BackComputer> I have downloaded spambayes and everything looks like it should be functioning properly but for some reason, no filtering is occurring. I have the check box selected next to "enable filtering" and it has been trained. When I go to my inbox and click on a spam message that has not been filtered to "Junk mail" I check the spam score and it reads 100%, which means it is recognizing it as spam but it isn't moving it to the "junk mail" folder. I am running Outlook 2002 on Windows XP. Do you have any suggestions. Thank you, Greg Esterhai US Hole In One 632 Germantown Pike Lafayette Hill, PA 19444 610-825-2441 ext. 11# www.usholeinone.com From Leigh.Klotz at pahv.xerox.com Thu Oct 2 16:20:33 2003 From: Leigh.Klotz at pahv.xerox.com (Klotz, Leigh) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:19:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] My bitmaps Message-ID: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE146D892F@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com> I made two bitmaps for Delete As Spam and Recover From Spam. One is a red X and the other a green uparrow. Here they are if anybody wants them. I've attached them as they are so small (1KB). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icons.zip Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1089 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031002/5bd0a68c/icons.obj From rossman at xtra.co.nz Thu Oct 2 16:32:44 2003 From: rossman at xtra.co.nz (Mark I. Ross) Date: Thu Oct 2 16:39:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-User Setup on WinXP Pro In-Reply-To: <004001c3890b$c8906e20$6501a8c0@BackComputer> Message-ID: <001601c38924$557c18d0$020b0a0a@winxpmark> G'day all, I have downloaded and installed the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in (v0.81). Additionally I have two users setup on my Windows XP - an account for myself and an account for my wife. I installed SpamBayes under my account and it works in my Outlook XP no problem. However, under my wifes account, I cannot get the Configuration Wizard to load. It loaded the first time I ran Outlook under her account but I was too tired to configure it then so I cancelled the wizard and closed Outlook. Now if I select the SpamBayes Manager... option, I get the dialog box with the "Configuration Wizard" button, but if I click that, nothing happens. I have tried to re-install under her account with no resolution (I tried installing to a separate folder under "Program Files" as well) Is this a supported configuration? Does anyone have any suggestions about how I could fix this. Thanks for your time! Cheers, mark ;) rossman@therossman.org From cwalling at WATG.com Thu Oct 2 18:57:51 2003 From: cwalling at WATG.com (Christopher Walling) Date: Thu Oct 2 18:57:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Support request Message-ID: <77A58E8E3DC2D411825D0002A507C011D7BC4C@honex01.honolulu.watg> I am running windows XP pro and outlook xp, with spambayes 0.7. Spambayes is not automatically filtering spam. It only scores email when I manually run the filter. I have looked at the trouble-shooting guide, but am stil having trouble. Any assistance would be most appreciated. Thank you Mahalo Nui Loa! Christopher Walling, AIA Wimberly Allison Tong & Goo, Inc. 700 Bishop Street, Suite 1800 Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 Direct Line 808-540-5205 cwalling@watg.com > <> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 5034 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031002/7668a163/spambayes1.obj From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 2 19:52:22 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:52:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Support request In-Reply-To: <77A58E8E3DC2D411825D0002A507C011D7BC4C@honex01.honolulu.watg> Message-ID: <000201c38940$39dbbc40$f502a8c0@eden> Your log has the following entry: SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Top of Information Store I suspect you have the "top level" folter of your store selected, rather than the "Inbox". SpamBayes should prevent you selecting a top-level folder, but it doesn't :) Try setting the folder to watch to the Inbox or other "real" folder that contains messages. Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Christopher Walling > Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 8:58 AM > To: 'spambayes@python.org' > Subject: [Spambayes] Support request > > > I am running windows XP pro and outlook xp, with spambayes 0.7. > > Spambayes is not automatically filtering spam. It only > scores email when I > manually run the filter. > > I have looked at the trouble-shooting guide, but am stil > having trouble. > > Any assistance would be most appreciated. > > Thank you > > Mahalo Nui Loa! > Christopher Walling, AIA > Wimberly Allison Tong & Goo, Inc. > 700 Bishop Street, Suite 1800 > Honolulu, Hawaii 96813 > Direct Line 808-540-5205 > cwalling@watg.com > > > <> > From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 2 19:54:21 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 2 19:54:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-User Setup on WinXP Pro In-Reply-To: <001601c38924$557c18d0$020b0a0a@winxpmark> Message-ID: <000301c38940$7fdda410$f502a8c0@eden> > Outlook. Now if I select the SpamBayes Manager... option, I get the > dialog box with the "Configuration Wizard" button, but if I > click that, > nothing happens. I suspect that your log file will have something interesting in this case. > I have tried to re-install under her account with no > resolution (I tried > installing to a separate folder under "Program Files" as well) > > Is this a supported configuration? Does anyone have any suggestions > about how I could fix this. This is supported, but obviously not working for you :) It is almost certain the log will contain everything I need to know. Mark. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 2 20:00:45 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:19:28 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Please help - mysterious problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c38941$66a5d750$f502a8c0@eden> > 1. Followed your suggestions in troubleshooting.html for resetting > Outlook's toolbars and checking the logs. The logs contained > no errors, > and resetting the toolbars didn't bring the SpamBayes buttons back; > Result: FAILED There is a section in the troubleshooting guide ("Addin doesn't load") that deals with re-enabling SpamBayes via Help->About->Disabled Objects. I am fairly certain this is all you need to do. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1736 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031003/e4519a54/winmail.bin From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 2 20:06:06 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:23:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Building Outlook Plug-in From Source - SomethingMissing? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c38942$24b3dd00$f502a8c0@eden> > I have been trying to build SpamBayes OL2K plugin from source > by running in > Outlook2000/installer/crank.py. I had to hard-code the > directory in, and > get the latest CVS copy of spambayes_addin.spec (not included > in the source > distrib). The script runs build.py OK, builds a > spambayes_addin.dll, but > then coughs on looking for gencache.dat. You will need to use the modified Installer at http://starship.python.net/crew/mhammond/spambayes However, I suggest you don't bother :) The next version is almost certain to be released using "py2exe", and will include binaries for the Outlook addin + the pop3proxy application. See the file "windows\py2exe\README.txt" - this has very basic instructions. Feel free to mail me directly if you get stuck. Mark. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Thu Oct 2 20:25:48 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Thu Oct 2 20:26:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trained as ham, classified as spam Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A6E3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Ah, this is indeed useful. I did not know this was possible, > I thought the web interface was only for pop. That's (one of the) reason(s) that pop3proxy.py has been renamed to sb_server.py in the latest release, to indicate that it's doing more than the pop proxy. > Well, it is roughly equal, although I don't know how roughly > is roughly. I trained with a little more spam than ham: > probably approximately 60% spam. That shouldn't be a problem, although AFAIK no-one has done any actual testing to determine when problems start. Many people have a ratio of 2:1/1:2 and find it works fine for them, though - it's just if the ratio is 100:1 or something like that, spambayes really struggles. =Tony Meyer From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 21:24:19 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Oct 2 21:24:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Effectiveness In-Reply-To: <20031002081726.18097.qmail@web41803.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: [Jackie Lan Manlosa] > I know that Spambayes uses bayesian filtering... Not in the sense that most people mean it, but it does have a Bayesian component. > Now, I am asking would it still be effective if I am for example > receiving 4 millions mails a day? I don't know. What if you received 4 million emails a day and *didn't* use SpamBayes? Would you be able to handle that load? That's a lot of email. > Would it not tire my CPU, coz as far as I know it, Bayesian > Algorythm is a CPU intensive Algorythm We spend more time tokenizing the message, and doing I/O, than doing the spam-score calculation. 4 million emails a day is probably more than 4 gigabytes of data a day, and any algorithm will consume non-trivial resources. SpamBayes is on the efficient end of the scale for spam filters. Of course it would be cheaper to just store the incoming bytes without looking at them at all. From ckolenda162527 at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 00:26:14 2003 From: ckolenda162527 at comcast.net (ckolenda162527) Date: Fri Oct 3 00:26:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] re: Error Message Message-ID: <000201c38966$7be7bc80$0201a8c0@Laptop1> When I begin installing SpamBayes, on my Compaq Presario laptop( 2yrs old) I get this pop-up message. I tried 'retry' but that did not work. I choose 'Ignore'. I assume the app is not running since I do not the usual message-- on choosing manual Vs automatic learn mode. . I'm using native windows X-P, MS Office 2000; 256 RAM, 20 GB HD, I GHz processor. Any suggestions? Carl -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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What version of Firebird with what OS is this? All works fine for me on WinXP with Firebird 0.6. Were you training many messages? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Fri Oct 3 02:17:05 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Fri Oct 3 02:17:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A880@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1) There are 2 places with a "default_bayes_customize.ini" > Delete one - or rename it. Otherwise ... I think I missed reading a message before this, because this doesn't make sense to me. If *you* have two .ini files, then you can delete one. SpamBayes doesn't include any [1]. If you mean that there are multiples places that spambayes looks for an ini, this is deliberate, and helps a lot when running the testing stuff. > 2) Too complicated. Not for me, but for other people. > Just include a *.INI file in the next distribution. There's no point including an .ini file, because we wouldn't know what to put in it - all the default settings are stored in Options.py, and the .ini is only necessary if you want to override those. If anyone wants a simple way to enter in their configuration, they can run "sb_server.py" and do it via the web interface (this creates the .ini file for you). The "replace_nonascii_chars" option is on the advanced configuration page under "Tokenization Options", and is called "Replace non-ascii characters". The web interface is a much better method for people that don't have the knowledge to be mucking about with .ini files. Note that people running Windows that have the win32 extensions installed will have an .ini created for them because it automatically sets some options for them (the location of storage files). If they use the autoconfigure script, then the .ini will get additional information (the servers needed). The extra assistance is for Windows users because they tend to be the ones that need the most extra help. =Tony Meyer [1] Well, the Outlook plug-in does, but that's not used by anything else, like everything in the Outlook2000 directory. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Fri Oct 3 02:28:22 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Fri Oct 3 02:28:30 2003 Subject: Training Errors (Was: Re: [Spambayes] Can't Save Configuration) Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A881@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Did the following message of mine get lost in the shuffle? > I'm still getting errors, and would like very much to know > what's causing them. No, I just got busy with real work :) Sorry I didn't get to this earlier. > > I think the problem here may be that the directories don't exist. [...] > Whoopee! It looks like that was my problem all along. Even > though I got an error on the changeopts page the first time I > tried to save my configuration, it seems that the > configuration WAS actually saved, but the database wasn't > created. Then, the next time I tried to run pop3proxy it > refused to run because there was no database (and gave a > meaningless error number). > > I'm used to applications asking me if I want the directory to > be created. Can it be made to work this way? If not, it needs > to be clearly documented that the directories must exist > before specifying them in the configuration. > >> Can you explain the "sb_server/pop3proxy" notation to me? > > You mean, why do I refer to sb_server/pop3proxy? [...] > Oh! So the '/' just means OR! This was very confusing to me. > In my state of ignorance, I assumed that > "sb_server/pop3proxy" was the name of some single process I > needed to run, but it didn't make sense to have a slash in > the middle of a program name.... Sorry, I should be less lazy. Or maybe I should just call it sb_server.py and if anyone doesn't know what that is, I should encourage them to upgrade ;) [explanation of pop3proxy_tray, pop3proxy_service, sb_service] > Okay, it's starting to make sense.... Is Mark another one of > the programmers? > Does he participate in this list? Sorry, I really should be more clear. I was in a bit of a hurry when I wrote that. "Mark", is Mark Hammond, who is the main force behind the Outlook plug-in and, recently, the pop3proxy service and (forthcoming) sb_server binary release. He does read this list, but doesn't always have time to get through everything, and tends to concentrate on people asking for help with the plug-in that no-one else has managed to help, because he's the expert there. > How do I > install the service, or do I need to ask him that? To install it, you should just have to run "pop3proxy_service.py install". You can then start it with "net start pop3proxy", stop it with "net stop pop3proxy" and remove it with "pop3proxy_service.py remove". If something goes wrong, you can run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" and it will print out the error (otherwise it goes to the Event Log which you get to somehow (can't recall how) via Windows). Note that you need to have installed the Python win32 extensions before you can do this. (There's a link on ) > I see. Looks like I came in right in the midst of change, > which has contributed to my confusion! Indeed. > Now...One more problem. Now that I'm up and running, I > trained on the first message I received, using the Web > interface. It appears that the training was successful (the > count was incremented), but I got the following: > > Training... Trained on 1 message. Saving... [...] > File "F:\PROGRA~1\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ > self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() > TypeError: object does not support item assignment I think this is an instance of a bug that 1.0a6 had (which is the main reason behind the proposed 1.0a7, which might come out soon). If it is, then what's happening is that you can't use the database after using the web interface to change any options (it gets closed, but not reopened, basically). You should be able to fix it by simply restarting pop3proxy_tray or sb_server (whichever you're using) after you use the web interface to change any options. If this *doesn't* fix it, then maybe it's not that bug after all, and it would be great to know this so that one of the developers (maybe me) can try and track it down. =Tony Meyer From stefan at tspse.net Fri Oct 3 07:27:40 2003 From: stefan at tspse.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Gr=F6nberg?=) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:27:58 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 2 Questions Message-ID: <200310031321256.SM01024@vandread> hi, if just trained my spambayes, will it score wrong if i have 418 ham and only 189 spam? (Maybe i should sign up for more spam-crap so i get an even number to train?) is there any posibility to make a complete complete complete uninstall so theres NO trace of spambayes on the computer or the registry? (because i installed it with outlook 2002 and later upgraded to outlook 2003) and i want to make a new fresh reinstall, without any trace of it in the beginning. /Stefan From fms27 at cam.ac.uk Fri Oct 3 07:48:53 2003 From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano) Date: Fri Oct 3 07:48:40 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 500 Server error when training from web page In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382A880@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20031003124553.01f5b898@localhost> This is with 1.0a6 on Windows 2000, sb_server.py, eudora. I went to Spambayes Web Interface: Home > Review and clicked some radio buttons to classify the unsures as spam. Then I clicked on Train and got the following: Training... Trained on 111 messages. Saving... 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "d:\python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "d:\python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 324, in onReview self._doSave() File "d:\python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 470, in _doSave classifier.store() File "d:\python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 229, in store self._write_state_key() File "d:\python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 233, in _write_state_key self.db[self.statekey] = (classifier.PICKLE_VERSION, File "d:\python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() TypeError: object does not support item assignment Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/ From papaDoc at videotron.ca Fri Oct 3 08:50:18 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Fri Oct 3 08:52:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Probelm with procmail and sb_filter Message-ID: <3F7D708A.608@videotron.ca> Hi, I have a problem with procmail and sb_filter after and upgrade (CVS of 2003.10.02) It was working with (CVS of 2003.08.28). The mail don't have the X-Spambayes-Classification header. This is my .procmailrc :0 c backup :0 c | setenv > $HOME/tata :0 fw:hamlock | path_to_sb_server/sb_server -f -d $HOME/hammie.db :0 * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam spam :0 * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure unsure I know I'm able to run sb_server since on a command line cat a_mail_message | path_to_sb_server/sb_server -f -d $HOME/hammie.db print out the mail message with the good header I know I'm accessing/reading the procmalrc file since a copy of the mail it sent to backup and the file $HOME/tata is filled with the environment variable. If I change the lines: :0 fw:hamlock | path_to_sb_server/sb_server -f -d $HOME/hammie.db for :0 fw:hamlock | path_to_sb_server/sb_server -f -d $HOME/hammie.db > $HOME/titi The file titi is filled with the mail with the good header. So the problem is Under RH 8.0 using evolution 1.4 my mail is not filtered (I does not have the X-Spambayes-Classification header. (evolution is set to display all the header) To be sure I also check the file ~/evolution/local/Inbox/mbox and look for the latest mail and It does not have the header but the mail is there. Remi From Mike.Palombo at BlackBox.com Fri Oct 3 09:02:01 2003 From: Mike.Palombo at BlackBox.com (Mike Palombo) Date: Fri Oct 3 09:02:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes enhancement request Message-ID: <5ABB259D7DCE4443A8F1063A5636CCC202CF6334@saturn.blackbox.com> It would be nice to have a toolbar icon or drop down box choice to delete all mail in the 'quarantine' folder at one time (like 'IHateSpam' does). **************************************************************************** **** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended for the sole use of the individual to whom they are addressed. Black Box Corporation reserves the right to scan all e-mail traffic for restricted content and to monitor all e-mail in general. If you are not the intended recipient or you have received this email in error, any use, dissemination or forwarding of this email is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender by replying to this email. From bpage at rtconline.com Fri Oct 3 10:02:31 2003 From: bpage at rtconline.com (Brooks Page) Date: Fri Oct 3 10:06:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Duplicate messages Message-ID: <003b01c389b6$fe4c43d0$6f2da8c0@rtcreserve.rtconline.com> Mark, I deselected "Save spam score" and still had the problem. I then deselected "Enable background filtering" and still had the problem. (BTW, I realized later that I did have the Junk Mail coloring rule on). At some point after this, the problem cleared up. I'm not sure why. Perhaps I had opened and closed Outlook without specifically checking to see if this made a difference. I have everything back to default now-- Spambayes is enabled; "Save spam score" is enabled; "Enable background filtering" is enabled; I still have the Junk Mail coloring rule enabled, and Spambayes is working OK. Will continue to monitor the situation... From skip at pobox.com Fri Oct 3 11:57:11 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Fri Oct 3 11:57:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Probelm with procmail and sb_filter In-Reply-To: <3F7D708A.608@videotron.ca> References: <3F7D708A.608@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <16253.40023.925166.949561@montanaro.dyndns.org> Remi, I can't tell why you wouldn't get an X-Spambayes-Classification header. I recommend you add LOGABSTRACT=yes VERBOSE=yes LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log and then look in ~/.procmail.log for any error message from procmail or Python tracebacks. Remi> :0 fw:hamlock Remi> | path_to_sb_server/sb_server -f -d $HOME/hammie.db Why are you running sb_server.py instead of sb_filter.py? (I wasn't aware filtering with the server was supported.) The server is much larger and will probably incur larger startup costs. Skip From jeff at leyser.org Fri Oct 3 14:16:43 2003 From: jeff at leyser.org (Jeff Leyser) Date: Fri Oct 3 14:16:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Background filter timer not working Message-ID: <000a01c389da$82485480$0f06010a@collabneleyser> Hi, This is with 0.8 version of the addin. I have background filtering enabled, but filtering seems to be happening as soon as mail is received. I bumped the logging to "1", and found this in my log: New message timer started - id=19394, delay=10000 New message timer started - id=19375, delay=10000 Message '[deleted]' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' New message timer started - id=19374, delay=10000 Message '[deleted]' had a Spam classification of 'No' New message timer started - id=19370, delay=10000 Message '[deleted]' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' New message timer started - id=19366, delay=10000 Message '[deleted]' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' New message timer started - id=19365, delay=10000 Message '[deleted]' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' The timer with id=19365 fired The new message timer found no new items, so is stopping Those 5 messages all came in from one Send/Receive, over about a 15 second period of time, with no more than a second or two between them. I'm not certain about this, but I'm pretty sure the timer was working until I changed my Outlook configuration to create two Send/Receive groups, both of which are checked on Send/Receive, but only one of which checks the server on a regular basis. The above log is from hitting Send/Receive. I'd really like to get back to using timers, so any help very much appreciated. Thanks, J From fred.geil at ngc.com Fri Oct 3 15:06:10 2003 From: fred.geil at ngc.com (Geil, Fred G.) Date: Fri Oct 3 15:06:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work with JUNO email? Message-ID: <719D3578FB78E340B980FD3AFC8305C9325608@xcgmd061.md.essd.northgrum.com> Gentlemen I use JUNO for my hone email, with windows 98. Will spambayes work? Fred Geil fgeil@juno.com From bob at 1776.com Sat Oct 4 11:36:20 2003 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:46:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Feature Request -(optional) Ham Folder In-Reply-To: <223286A46C32EE42BF7C2E4177EAD4260AEF28@sylvester2.snetworking.com> Message-ID: <00e301c38a8d$439c3b80$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.GOV> > From: John Hall [mailto:JohnH@snetworking.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 11:02 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Feature Request -(optional) Ham Folder > > > SpamBayes has a Spam and Unsure Folder. In our case, we > forward email a Blackberry. But the Blackberry gets ALL the > email including the Spam. Grrrrr. > > If SpamBayes had an (optional) Ham Folder, we could forward > all the Ham email to the Blackberry that goes to the Ham folder. > > What do you think? > > John I haven't seen an answer posted to this question, so I'm going to assume that it's still current. Unless the RIM people have changed their approach, I believe the forwarding to the Blackberry is done at the Exchange Server level. I think this means that by the time Spambayes (running on the client) sees the incoming messages, copies have already been sent to the Blackberry. I won an early model of the Blackberry in a raffle, but you needed Exchange Server to make use of it. I ended up giving it to the Fire Chief, because Public Safety already had Exchange Server and we didn't. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 From bob at 1776.com Sat Oct 4 11:37:32 2003 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sat Oct 4 11:46:30 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Support request In-Reply-To: <000201c38940$39dbbc40$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: <00e401c38a8d$6df30210$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.GOV> > From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 7:52 PM > To: 'Christopher Walling'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Support request > > > Your log has the following entry: > > SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Top of > Information Store > > I suspect you have the "top level" folter of your store selected, > rather than the "Inbox". SpamBayes should prevent you selecting > a top-level folder, but it doesn't :) You can put messages in the top-level folder (although they can be pretty hard to find later); I've done it myself inadvertently. So allowing it to be scanned isn't all *that* far-fetched. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 From jason at directresponse.com Sat Oct 4 14:07:25 2003 From: jason at directresponse.com (Jason Wolfe) Date: Sat Oct 4 14:07:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trying to send in a suggestion for your software.. Message-ID: I love your software - our CTO suggested it and I dove right and and it is working nicely for me. Being an online figure with alot of traffic to our sites I end up on alot of lists and get hundreds of spam emails every day. I used MailWasher - which was nice -- but it wasnt built into Outlook like yours, and wasnt built to learn. However, one of the good items they had was to 'bounce' my spam back to the spammer. Then the spammer thinks the email address is not active. Do you have plans to add this functionality? Thanks for a great product, Jason Jason Wolfe President/CEO Direct Response Technologies, Inc. http//www.directresponse.com t) 412-921-6881 f) 412-921-1844 e) jason@directresponse.com "Direct Response Technologies, an industry leader in media services and technology solutions for the direct response industry" From tim.one at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 14:26:26 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sat Oct 4 14:26:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trying to send in a suggestion for your software.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Jason Wolfe] > I love your software - our CTO suggested it and I dove right and and > it is working nicely for me. Being an online figure with alot of > traffic to our sites I end up on alot of lists and get hundreds of > spam emails every day. I used MailWasher - which was nice -- but it > wasnt built into Outlook like yours, and wasnt built to learn. > > However, one of the good items they had was to 'bounce' my spam back > to the spammer. Then the spammer thinks the email address is not > active. > > Do you have plans to add this functionality? Nope, but we have firm plans not to add it . See FAQ question 6.5 Why can't I bounce spam back to the sender? http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html The short course is that spammers almost always forge the sender address, which you can't fully appreciate until they start forging *your* address, and you get overwhelmed by angry people sending spam back to *you*. Rejecting the attempt to deliver the message to your mail server in the first place would be OK, but Outlook is too late in the chain to do that. Note that the MailWasher FAQ says: If the spammer has used a fake address, then your bounce message will itself be bounced back to the postmaster and you won't receive the bounced bounce email. You will, however, clog your ISP with two sdditional rounds of useless traffic: your futile bounce attempt, and the bounce back of your futile bounce attempt. What the MailWasher FAQ doesn't say is that this doesn't usually happen: the return address on spam is usually a good (not fake) address, but a forged good address that has nothing to do with the spammer. If you're an online figure, you'll eventually experience this joy yourself. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Sat Oct 4 14:46:05 2003 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Sat Oct 4 14:46:08 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: trying to send in a suggestion for your software.. Message-ID: > From: Jason Wolfe [mailto:jason@directresponse.com] > Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:07 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Cc: Greg Stoltz > Subject: [Spambayes] trying to send in a suggestion for your > software.. > > > However, one of the good items [a competing spam catcher] had was > to 'bounce' my spam back to the spammer. Then the spammer thinks > the email address is not active. > > Do you have plans to add this functionality? Not a good idea. Such a misfeature is worse than a waste of effort. These days almost no spammers use a legitimate reply address. At best the bounce attempt contributes an additional undeliverable message to the clutter. Often it goes instead to some poor wretch whose reply address was used by the spammer without the wretch's knowledge or permission. At worst, the reply address is the original list itself, and the bounce message goes to EVERYBODY. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 From anachronox at tatanova.com Sat Oct 4 14:54:27 2003 From: anachronox at tatanova.com (Gautham) Date: Sat Oct 4 14:55:17 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: i'm not able to use spambayes. i get a message tat it is not initialized. i tried adding it thru com add-ins in tools>options of outlook2000. i've ihatespam running on win98se. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So far, if works very nice for me, and my system does not seem to take a big performance penalty for using your filtering solution(a P75 with 40 megs of RAM). This is actually my first bayesian filtering solution, and I am impressed. I would also like to suggest a small improvement that is based just on my way of dealing with email, which is that I filter it in separate folders (mailing list postings). If procmail decides that something should stay in my INBOX then that email is bound to be either adressed to me for something important (girlfriend, friends, people that contact off-list, etc.) or it can be spam. Somewhere in the docs that come with spambayes, you say that the rule that tells procmail to use sb_filter as a filter for email should the the topmost rule. In my case that would be a little bit overdoing mail filtering since it seems that all mailing lists benefit now from spam protection (SpamAssasin or some bayesian filtering). So I think it makes more sennse (to me at least) that I should train spambayes with the spam/ham that I get in my INBOX and that's that. -- One way to make your old car run better is to look up the price of a new model. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sat Oct 4 18:36:16 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sat Oct 4 18:36:05 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <03de01c38ac7$ed170660$f502a8c0@eden> Installing SpamBayes never creates or updates the database - SpamBayes itself does this when is run. The only way I can see this happening is if you went to the "Training" dialog, and selected "rebuild entire database". The "Troubleshooting guide" has information where the database is stored - do you have your own backup you can use? 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Thank you to whomever can provide this help. John Coulter. From jerry at maconsys.com Sun Oct 5 10:51:59 2003 From: jerry at maconsys.com (Jerry Macon) Date: Sun Oct 5 10:47:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation Failure Message-ID: <000001c38b50$3b2f8380$6401a8c0@macono6b8eaww3> Spambayes installation has failed due to a failure to register the DLL. I am running XP Service Pack 1. I have disabled my Norton Anti-virus and Norton Internet Security after a fresh reboot, with no other programs running. I get this message: C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook AddIn\spambayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCS: DllRegisterServer failed: Code 0x00000000 The install and setup worked fine for me on another pc running W2000. I am very impressed with Spambayes and am really anxious to get it running on my XP. Thanks for any help you can provide. Jerry Macon 719-520-1555 From grberry at shaw.ca Sun Oct 5 12:16:49 2003 From: grberry at shaw.ca (Gary Berry) Date: Sun Oct 5 12:23:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes in Crossover Office Message-ID: <000801c38b5c$151d4e00$0300a8c0@mshome.net> Recently I have been working with a Linux product called crossover office. It is a great little product which allows one to install Office 2000 in a native Linux environment. Outlook works just fine, however, when I try to install Spambayes it says that it cannot find the Outlook installation. I tell it to go ahead and install anyway. I have checked the COM Addin manager and the addin doesn't show up on the list. Is there some way to activate Spambayes in this type of environment??? I would really appreciate any help someone could give me. Thanks From jason at directresponse.com Sun Oct 5 13:30:30 2003 From: jason at directresponse.com (Jason Wolfe) Date: Sun Oct 5 13:30:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] trying to send in a suggestion for your software.. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Great point ..thanks again for a great product. Jason Jason Wolfe President/CEO Direct Response Technologies, Inc. http//www.directresponse.com t) 412-921-6881 f) 412-921-1844 e) jason@directresponse.com "Direct Response Technologies, an industry leader in media services and technology solutions for the direct response industry" -----Original Message----- From: Tim Peters [mailto:tim.one@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 2:26 PM To: jason@directresponse.com Cc: Greg Stoltz; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] trying to send in a suggestion for your software.. [Jason Wolfe] > I love your software - our CTO suggested it and I dove right and and > it is working nicely for me. Being an online figure with alot of > traffic to our sites I end up on alot of lists and get hundreds of > spam emails every day. I used MailWasher - which was nice -- but it > wasnt built into Outlook like yours, and wasnt built to learn. > > However, one of the good items they had was to 'bounce' my spam back > to the spammer. Then the spammer thinks the email address is not > active. > > Do you have plans to add this functionality? Nope, but we have firm plans not to add it . See FAQ question 6.5 Why can't I bounce spam back to the sender? http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html The short course is that spammers almost always forge the sender address, which you can't fully appreciate until they start forging *your* address, and you get overwhelmed by angry people sending spam back to *you*. Rejecting the attempt to deliver the message to your mail server in the first place would be OK, but Outlook is too late in the chain to do that. Note that the MailWasher FAQ says: If the spammer has used a fake address, then your bounce message will itself be bounced back to the postmaster and you won't receive the bounced bounce email. You will, however, clog your ISP with two sdditional rounds of useless traffic: your futile bounce attempt, and the bounce back of your futile bounce attempt. What the MailWasher FAQ doesn't say is that this doesn't usually happen: the return address on spam is usually a good (not fake) address, but a forged good address that has nothing to do with the spammer. If you're an online figure, you'll eventually experience this joy yourself. From KHart at BasicBS.Com Sun Oct 5 15:54:44 2003 From: KHart at BasicBS.Com (Kenneth Hart) Date: Sun Oct 5 15:54:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for your reply. Do you not even want to see any log files? Do you knot even want to know the environment? It happened as I stated, I did not select to "rebuild entire db". While I understand that you encounter novice users that do this type of thing, please respect that it happened as I stated. You appear to have decided that "that simply can't happen". I asked a question that you didn't answer. Does the install do a backup of the db prior to installation? If not, why not?? At least anticipate problems & offer the end user the option to backup the db. I am frustrated as I now must re-train SB. I have been using SB for five months & feel that all of that time in training is now lost because you didn't give me the option during the upgrade to backup my db. Do not just blame it on me. Do not simply write this off to the folly of an inexperienced user. While you may have never seen this behavior, rest assured, it happened! I have been working with PC's & networks for 16 years. As a network consultant I have some idea as to what not to do. I am reporting to you a problem that I encountered. Give this report its due attention. Kenneth Hart -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Sat 10/4/2003 3:36 PM To: Kenneth Hart; spambayes@python.org Cc: Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db Installing SpamBayes never creates or updates the database - SpamBayes itself does this when is run. The only way I can see this happening is if you went to the "Training" dialog, and selected "rebuild entire database". The "Troubleshooting guide" has information where the database is stored - do you have your own backup you can use? Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth Hart > Sent: Sunday, 5 October 2003 7:17 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db > > > Tony, > > I just updated from 0.7 to 0.81 Sept.9 & now have no db. My > db had over > 18,000 spam & now has 14. > > That's a great deal of time lost. Now I will have to retrain for the > product to work. > > What happened? Do you make a backup of the db prior to installing the > update? Where can I find the backup? > > Kenneth Hart > > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 16:46:29 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Oct 5 16:46:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Kenneth Hart] > Thanks for your reply. Do you not even want to see any log files? > Do you knot even want to know the environment? It happened as I > stated, I did not select to "rebuild entire db". While I understand > that you encounter novice users that do this type of thing, please > respect that it happened as I stated. You appear to have decided > that "that simply can't happen". > > I asked a question that you didn't answer. Does the install do a > backup of the db prior to installation? No, it doesn't. > If not, why not?? Well, for the same reason it doesn't back up, e.g., msvcrt.dll, or any of thousands of other files on your box -- installation doesn't touch it. > At least anticipate problems & offer the end user the option to > backup the db. > > I am frustrated as I now must re-train SB. I have been using SB for > five months & feel that all of that time in training is now lost > because you didn't give me the option during the upgrade to backup my > db. If the installer doesn't touch the db, it wouldn't make sense to offer such an option. > Do not just blame it on me. Do not simply write this off to the > folly of an inexperienced user. While you may have never seen this > behavior, rest assured, it happened! I have been working with PC's > & networks for 16 years. As a network consultant I have some idea > as to what not to do. I am reporting to you a problem that I > encountered. Give this report its due attention. If you have 16 years' experience, then you're surely aware of the need for backing up *all* your data frequently, and especially on Windows. It's not Mark's fault if you were lax in that regard. WRT your bug report, you have to try to see the other side of it too: yours is the only report of this kind we've seen, and Mark wrote the installer code and knows it doesn't delete the database. I don't question that your database went missing, but Mark is being helpful in ruling out your guess at the cause. There's some chance that he's wrong, but offhand (having known Mark for years) I have to judge there's a greater chance that some other nastiness was at work in your case. Making a copy of the database before installation may be a prudent safeguard against those as-yet-unknown gremlins; whether it's worth the bother based on a one-sentence incident report isn't clear (the time Mark spends on that would be taken away from other spambayes work; if you're convinced it's worth it, then the most helpful thing you could do is contribute code to make it happen). From syver-en at online.no Sun Oct 5 17:34:38 2003 From: syver-en at online.no (Syver Enstad) Date: Sun Oct 5 17:33:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail Message-ID: X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "I:\build\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_server.py", line 442, in onRetr . evidence=True) . File "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob . clues = self._getclues(wordstream) . File "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues . prob = self.probability(record) . File "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line 242, in probability . assert hamcount <= nham .AssertionError I get this exception in almost all mails I get. -- Vennlig hilsen Syver Enstad From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 5 20:27:00 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:27:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 2 Questions Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AB6B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > if just trained my spambayes, will it score wrong if i have > 418 ham and only 189 spam? Well, technically spambayes can't (except for bugs) score *wrong* - but the score might not match what you want. It's really impossible for us to answer this. How well spambayes works depends on many factors, not just the number of ham and spam that have been trained. Other factors include how different (token-wise) your ham and spam are, how different your training data and classification data are, and many other things. Really, the best thing would be to try it out and see how things go. It'll certainly be better than blind chance, or no filtering at all. > (Maybe i should sign up for more > spam-crap so i get an even number to train?) Well, presumably you regularly get more, or there isn't much point in using spambayes. Just train on it as it arrives, or train on anything misclassified or unsure. You could also try reducing the amount of ham to match the spam more closely - more isn't always better. In the end, though, you're the only one that can check how well your training data works. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 5 20:29:34 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:29:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Does spambayes work with JUNO email? Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AB6F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I use JUNO for my hone email, with windows 98. Will > spambayes work? If you are using POP3 or IMAP to get your mail, then almost certainly yes. The readme has instructions about what to do. (Note I know absolutely nothing about JUNO). =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 5 20:37:45 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Sun Oct 5 20:37:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and direct help with Netscape integration Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AB81@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have to admit that I am not sure from the text files as > to exactly how to configure my Netscape 7 to interact with spambayes > which I have downloaded together with the suggested version > of Python. > Can someone give me simple directions as to what I put > where in which file to get this program up and running with > Netscape? Basically you need to: * Configure Netscape to get mail from "localhost" rather than from your mail server "pop.example.com". * Run "setup.py install" in the directory you expanded the spambayes archive into. * Run "sb_server.py -b" in the directory that it was installed into (probably "c:\python23\scripts"). * Click on the configuration link at the top right of the browser window that opens. * Enter in your mail server details (top couple of sections). * Click "Save and Shutdown" * Run "sb_server.py" - you'll need to have this running whenever you check mail, so you need to organise that. If you're using Windows, then you can use the "pop3proxy_tray.py" application in the windows directory of the directory you expanded the spambayes archive into instead. What would greatly help *us*, is if you could let us know exactly what in the readme.txt file was too complicated, so that we can improve it for future users. =Tony Meyer From Carol at insightcounselors.com Sun Oct 5 21:28:33 2003 From: Carol at insightcounselors.com (Carol J. Crow) Date: Sun Oct 5 21:27:30 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Clean Sweep Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for a great product. If I use "Clean Sweep" from Norton, I seem to lose my listing of identified Spam. Can you tell me where this list is stored on my directory so that I can tell Clean Sweep to ignore it? Thanks, Carol From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sun Oct 5 21:43:15 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sun Oct 5 21:43:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Clean Sweep In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <070001c38bab$373cb620$f502a8c0@eden> Assuming you are asking about version 0.8 of the Outlook addin, you should select the "SpamBayes Manager", select the "Advanced" tab, then click on "Show Data Folder". This is where SpamBayes stores everything (other than a couple of things stored with each message, and these are stored by Outlook along with the mail itself) Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Carol J. Crow > Sent: Monday, 6 October 2003 11:29 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Clean Sweep > > > Hi, > > Thanks for a great product. If I use "Clean Sweep" from > Norton, I seem to > lose my listing of identified Spam. Can you tell me where > this list is > stored on my directory so that I can tell Clean Sweep to ignore it? > > Thanks, > Carol > > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 5 22:08:32 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:09:07 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 500 Server error when training from web page Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AC3A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > This is with 1.0a6 on Windows 2000, sb_server.py, eudora. > > I went to > Spambayes Web Interface: Home > > Review and clicked some radio buttons to classify the unsures > as spam. Then I clicked on Train and got the following: [...] > File "d:\python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ > self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() > > TypeError: object does not support item assignment This is a bug with 1.0a6 - after you change any options via the web interface you need to restart spambayes before you do anything with the database. This should fix the problem. The cause is fixed in cvs, so will be fixed for the next release. =Tony Meyer From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 22:33:03 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:33:09 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spamBayes is great, thank you all! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Tim] >> If your primary language isn't English, that could explain it, as >> *most* developers and testers here use English. If, for example, >> your primary email language is German, then the Outlook addin's >> >> [Tokenizer] >> replace_nonascii_chars: True >> >> setting may be inappropriate for you [AndreasK] > OK, I have changed it to: > replace_nonascii_chars: False > correct? Yup! > Do I have to RETRAIN? For best results, yes. The option affects the tokens that get stored into your database. For example, if R?ckhalt appeared in your trained email when the option was True, r?ckhalt got stored in your database, but after you change the option to False, r?ckhalt will get looked up in new email. That won't match the r?ckhalt stored before. > Should I discard my "old" spambayes database before? For best results, yes, and for the same reason. >> and the default skip_max_word_size value of 12 may be too small >> (13-character words like Unterst?tzung are hurt by both of those: >> first the ? gets replaced by a question mark due to >> replace_nonascii_chars, and then the whole word gets replaced by a >> synthesized "skip: U 10" token because 13 > 12). > Do you really think I should change that, too? If and only if you want to experiment. We didn't experiment with German here -- nobody has, as far as I know. > Any disadvantages? Your database will grow larger, and it *may* work worse for you. It's impossible to guess without trying it. You don't *have* to try it! We're happy to have you here even if you "just use" the program . > WHERE, in which file (there are 2 Options.py and 2 tokenizer.py > files containing skip_max_word_size) > Why is there no .INI file for the main spambayes program? If you're using the Outlook client, there's a file named default_bayes_customize.ini That's the same .ini file you changed when you set replace_nonascii_chars to False. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Sun Oct 5 22:54:42 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Sun Oct 5 22:55:14 2003 Subject: [SPAM] [Spambayes] 500 server error on trying to configure IMAP trainigfolders Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AC88@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > imapfilter -b > > successfully entered IMAP server name, login and password, > but then on page http://qub.DOMAIN:8880/trainingfolders > it gives an error -- > > 500 Server error [...] > NameError: global name 'IMAPSession' is not defined This is a bug in 1.0a6, sorry. If you simply restart imapfilter the problem won't occur again. This has been fixed in cvs, so will be fixed for the next release. =Tony Meyer From martin at dbg400.net Mon Oct 6 02:01:13 2003 From: martin at dbg400.net (Martin Rowe) Date: Mon Oct 6 02:01:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200310060701.13858.martin@dbg400.net> On Sunday 05 October 2003 22:34, Syver Enstad wrote: > X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): > . File "I:\build\spambayes-1.0a6\scripts\sb_server.py", line 442, in > onRetr . evidence=True) > . File > "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line > 158, in chi2_spamprob . clues = self._getclues(wordstream) . File > "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line > 395, in _getclues . prob = self.probability(record) > . File > "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", line > 242, in probability . assert hamcount <= nham .AssertionError > > I get this exception in almost all mails I get. Since moving to 1.0a6 I get something similar pretty frequently too: X-Spambayes-Exception: Traceback (most recent call last): . File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 439, in onRetr . msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName()) . File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 193, in setId . msginfoDB._getState(self) . File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 131, in _getState . (msg.c, msg.t) = self.db[msg.getId()] . File "/usr/lib/python2.3/shelve.py", line 118, in __getitem__ . f = StringIO(self.dict[key]) . File "/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 116, in __getitem__ . return self.db[key] .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') This is inserted into each mail instead of the usual spam/ham/unsure header line. Yesterday I tried switching from using dbhash to a pickle, and a fresh hammie.db to see if it made any difference, but it threw up this error again overnight :( Any ideas/suggestions? Using sb_server.py from 1.0a6 on Debian GNU/Linux (unstable) with Python 2.3.1. Regards, Martin -- martin@dbg400.net AIM/Gaim: DBG400dotNet http://www.dbg400.net /"\ DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities - AS/400 / iSeries Open \ / Source free test environment tools and others (file/spool/misc) X Debian GNU/Linux | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail & news / \ From fms27 at cam.ac.uk Mon Oct 6 06:43:22 2003 From: fms27 at cam.ac.uk (Frank Stajano) Date: Mon Oct 6 06:43:12 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 500 Server error when training from web page In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382AC3A@its-xchg4.massey. ac.nz> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.1.20031006113650.03677aa0@localhost> At 2003-10-06 03:08, you wrote: >This is a bug with 1.0a6 - after you change any options via the web >interface you need to restart spambayes before you do anything with the >database. This should fix the problem. Thanks a lot for this tip, knowing this it works ok. At the time I was browsing around to see what was new (for me) so I must have also changed some options before reviewing messages. I really LOVE this retraining interface! It's an amazing piece of design, to give people a portable and actually USABLE way of classifying messages even without access to the mail client. Frank (filologo disneyano) http://www-lce.eng.cam.ac.uk/~fms27/ From papaDoc at videotron.ca Mon Oct 6 08:38:35 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Mon Oct 6 08:38:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F81624B.9040402@videotron.ca> Hi, >Do not just blame it on me. Do not simply write this off to the folly of an inexperienced user. While you may have never seen this behavior, rest assured, it happened! I have been working with PC's & networks for 16 years. As a network consultant I have some idea as to what not to do. I am reporting to you a problem that I encountered. Give this report its due attention. > Do not just blame it on us ! Why blame other on something you could have done... You should have done a backup of your important files before doing an upgrade in case something goes wrote with an "alpha" software. This is what I learned on my first year with computers, The information is available to find the database. What are you using ? The outlook plugins the sb_filter or the sb_server ? Remi papaDoc@videotron.ca From NATHAN.NAKAO at newline.com Mon Oct 6 11:15:20 2003 From: NATHAN.NAKAO at newline.com (NAKAO, NATHAN) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:15:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] issues with plug-in Message-ID: <7B845C3072B9D3119A6500508B8BAC6407731EED@nlclaexmb01.newline.com> I'm running Windows 2000 Professional. I've just installed the 8.1 for windows. The issue I'm having is when opening Outlook the program hangs for 'x' amount of seconds. If I have an excessive amount of spam, the program hangs and generates a windows error (access violation). What other info do you need to troubleshoot. =========================== Much Mahalo, Nathan Nakao - Technical Analyst New Line Cinemas 116 North Robertson Blvd Los Angeles, CA 90048 PH: (310) 967-6910 FA: (310) 659-7160 http://www.newline.com/ From cdhgold at tecman.com Mon Oct 6 11:20:45 2003 From: cdhgold at tecman.com (Chris Goldsmith) Date: Mon Oct 6 11:22:47 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please Message-ID: <003f01c38c1d$6ad85ad0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> Please help I realize I have posted this once before but I never got a resposne so i'm trying again. I'm getting the following error when trying to train on my latest batch of incoming spam thru the web interface. The pc in use in w2k pro. using the pop3proxy_service.py in conjunction with Outlook express. Browser is Mozilla 1.4 although I get same error in IE6 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line 309, in onReview targetCorpus.takeMessage(id, sourceCorpus) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 201, in takeMessage self.addMessage(msg) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\FileCorpus.py", line 143, in addMessage Corpus.Corpus.addMessage(self, message) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\Corpus.py", line 136, in addMessage obs.onAddMessage(message) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\storage.py", line 552, in onAddMessage self.train(message) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\storage.py", line 560, in train self.bayes.learn(message.tokenize(), self.is_spam) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\classifier.py", line 276, in learn self._add_msg(wordstream, is_spam) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\classifier.py", line 411, in _add_msg self._wordinfoset(word, record) File "C:\download\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes\storage.py", line 257, in _wordinfoset self.db[word] = record.__getstate__() File "C:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() File "C:\Python23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 90, in __setitem__ self.db[key] = value DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') Also when i try to run the which_database.py to confirm which database I'm running I get Pickle is available. Dumbdbm is available. Dbhash is available. Bsddb[3] is available. Your storage hammie.db is a: None Please help any advice or suggestions are appreciated. From jvinsky at asbury.com Mon Oct 6 14:00:40 2003 From: jvinsky at asbury.com (Joseph Vinsky) Date: Mon Oct 6 13:58:18 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Addin does not load - Buttons Not Removed With Uninstall - Addin cannot be Enabled Message-ID: I have used Spam Bayes in the past with much success. However I have some issues regarding a recent Spam Bayes install. The PC is a Windows 2000 pro machine with Outlook 2002 installed. After installing SpamBayes 8.0 - the latest available, the buttons on the tool bar were unresponsive. I went to the COM Add-in and noticed the spambayes addin was not present. I tried installing it by running regsvr32.exe without any luck. I also tried to enable it through Help > About Microsoft outlook, but once enable Outlook would not open without spambayes being disabled. I also tried to register the addin as per the README.txt file, again without luck. I then uninstalled SpamBayes and removed any left over files manually, but when I open Outlook the spambayes tool bar is still present and it is not functional. At this point I can't seem to get it entirely uninstalled ( the toolbar buttons) and I cannot get the addin to load at all. I have enclosed the log file, but I don't think it contains anything of value. Thanks for you help. Sincerely, Joseph Vinsky Information Analyst Asbury Graphite Mills, Inc. 405 Old Main Street PO Box 144 Asbury, New Jersey 08802-0144 Voice: 908.537.2155 x 263 Fax: 908.537.2908 Email: jvinsky@asbury.com From jgoldman at fujigreenwood.com Mon Oct 6 14:00:45 2003 From: jgoldman at fujigreenwood.com (Goldman, Jason) Date: Mon Oct 6 14:01:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Plugin with Japanese Character Set Message-ID: <3A6D7EF53E23D611A10300034770EBB104B97BA9@email.fujigreenwood.com> Does the SpamBayes Outlook plug-in work on a Japanese PC running the Multilanguage pack? Jason From KHart at BasicBS.Com Mon Oct 6 14:31:12 2003 From: KHart at BasicBS.Com (Kenneth Hart) Date: Mon Oct 6 14:31:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db Message-ID: You are simply missing the point. Give me the ability to backup the db that SB depends on. I don't want to go into explorer & copy files. Make SB user friendly; help me to help keep SB working. If I loose my db, SB is useless. How hard is it to put a "Backup" tab on SB? Give the user the ability to choose the folder to which the backup is made, & at what frequency. -----Original Message----- From: papaDoc [mailto:papaDoc@videotron.ca] Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 5:39 AM To: Kenneth Hart; spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db Hi, >Do not just blame it on me. Do not simply write this off to the folly >of an inexperienced user. While you may have never seen this behavior, rest assured, it happened! I have been working with PC's & networks for 16 years. As a network consultant I have some idea as to what not to do. I am reporting to you a problem that I encountered. Give this report its due attention. > Do not just blame it on us ! Why blame other on something you could have done... You should have done a backup of your important files before doing an upgrade in case something goes wrote with an "alpha" software. This is what I learned on my first year with computers, The information is available to find the database. What are you using ? The outlook plugins the sb_filter or the sb_server ? Remi papaDoc@videotron.ca From MiChong at co.alameda.ca.us Mon Oct 6 15:55:17 2003 From: MiChong at co.alameda.ca.us (Chong, Michael, Public Health, Admin) Date: Mon Oct 6 16:03:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Folder not showing up Message-ID: <676391DE2A05D61189A900065B1A5DC304537D43@ALCOEX12> Hi, I am new to SpamBayes so I anm unsure on how to trouble shoot this problem. I installed the latest on a users computer, he has administrator privs so the dlls, etc have been registered. When I start Outlook (XP) and run through the configuration manager, the "Following Folders will be watched" is empty. We are using an Exchange server as well. Has anyone had this problem and how was it fixed? Thanks, mike From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Oct 6 17:44:46 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Oct 6 17:44:36 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <012001c38c53$106e3ca0$f502a8c0@eden> [Kenneth] > You are simply missing the point. One of us is, I agree! > Give me the ability to > backup the db > that SB depends on. I don't want to go into explorer & copy files. > Make SB user friendly; help me to help keep SB working. If I loose my > db, SB is useless. So you seriously expect that *every* application provides it own, application specific way to backup data files? Each application should deal with the concept of incremental backups, or tape devices and removable media? Each application should implement its own scheduling, and user interface to support all this? Can you tell me any other application which offers this? Certainly none of the software I use on my machine. > How hard is it to put a "Backup" tab on SB? Significantly harder than spouting unreasonable demands! Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2032 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031007/f7b65114/winmail.bin From KHart at BasicBS.Com Mon Oct 6 21:02:20 2003 From: KHart at BasicBS.Com (Kenneth Hart) Date: Mon Oct 6 21:02:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db Message-ID: Loose the attitude Mark. I am not spouting unreasonable demands. I am making a reasonable suggestion. MS SQL Server gives the user the ability to backup DB's, as dose MSDE, and Pervasive Server likewise. Outlook gives the user the ability to export thereby creating a backup. Are you not able to see that what I am asking would help improve your software?? Kenneth -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Mon 10/6/2003 2:44 PM To: Kenneth Hart; 'papaDoc'; tim.one@comcast.net Cc: spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db [Kenneth] > You are simply missing the point. One of us is, I agree! > Give me the ability to > backup the db > that SB depends on. I don't want to go into explorer & copy files. > Make SB user friendly; help me to help keep SB working. If I loose my > db, SB is useless. So you seriously expect that *every* application provides it own, application specific way to backup data files? Each application should deal with the concept of incremental backups, or tape devices and removable media? Each application should implement its own scheduling, and user interface to support all this? Can you tell me any other application which offers this? Certainly none of the software I use on my machine. > How hard is it to put a "Backup" tab on SB? Significantly harder than spouting unreasonable demands! Mark. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:06:44 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:07:03 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B032@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Please help I realize I have posted this once before but I > never got a resposne so i'm trying again. Replying to your original message was on my list, but I hadn't managed to find the time yet. Part of the problem is that over the last couple of weeks people have been trying to figure out the cause of this corruption problem (unsuccessfully so far), and figure out what we should do about it. > I'm getting the > following error when trying to train on my latest batch of > incoming spam thru the web interface. The pc in use in w2k > pro. using the pop3proxy_service.py in conjunction with > Outlook express. Browser is Mozilla 1.4 although I get same > error in IE6 [...] > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') Our advice here is really to just retrain from scratch (or from a backup of the database). There is a recovery tool from Berkeley (if you google through the archives of the list, someone had a standalone copy available), which you could try running, but we're not sure whether that will work or not. Spambayes learns fast, though, so starting from fresh is probably the best bet. Did the error begin after anything unusual? (Like not shutting spambayes down, or a power cut, or ...) > Also when i try to run the which_database.py to confirm which > database I'm running I get [...] > Your storage hammie.db is a: None which_database.py has been updated (in cvs) to print out a more informative message in this case. None should mean either the file doesn't exist, or it can't be read. Given the above, I suspect the latter is true here. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:10:11 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:10:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B035@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [...] > "D:\devtools\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\classifier.py", > line 242, in probability . assert hamcount <= nham .AssertionError > > I get this exception in almost all mails I get. This means that your database has become corrupted - specifically, your database says that you have trained on x ham, and you have a token that has appeared in more than x messages (which is impossible). You basically have two options: 1. Export (with sb_dbexpimp.py) your database to a flat text file, find the tokens which appear most in ham and spam, and fix the count (at the top of the file) manually. Then import this file back into a pickle/db. 2. Restart training from scratch (recommended). Did anything unusual happen before this started happening? Like an interruption in training for some reason? What training method(s) do you use? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:13:54 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:14:09 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B03D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Since moving to 1.0a6 I get something similar pretty frequently too: [...] > .DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') This is worse than Syver's error since our only recommendation is to start from scratch. > Yesterday I tried switching from using dbhash to a pickle, > and a fresh hammie.db to see if it made any difference, but > it threw up this error again overnight :( If you can regularly reproduce this error, that would be very helpful to us (we can't). If you're using a pickle, then the db that's getting corrupted must be the messageinfo one (i.e. this is [ spambayes-Bugs-807217 ] fatal region error detected; run recovery). You can safely delete that database and leave the other one there and still have things work. What do you have to do to reproduce the error? If you only do classification and no training, do you still get it? What training method do you use? What version of Python and bsddb do you have? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:18:16 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:18:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem starting pop3proxy_service on XP Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B042@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I did not have an appropriate DBM installed. Installing > bsddb3 helpped. That's good. > Funny enough, the which_database utitlity said I did have the > right dbm, which put me on the wrong foot for a while. [...] > C:\sb\spambayes-1.0a6\windows>..\utilities\which_database.py > Pickle is available. > Dumbdbm is available. > Dbhash is available. > Bsddb[3] is available. [...] > Note: this was BEFORE I installed bsddb3. That's odd. What version of Python are you using? This is probably a bug with which_database.py; you could open a bug report if you like . =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:24:15 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:24:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B04F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I can run SpamBayes with: > > pop3proxy_service.py debug > > but when I try to run it with: > > net start pop3proxy_service > SpamBayes does not start and puts the follwoing error in Event Log: [...] > Python could not import the service's module [...] > "C:\PROGRA~1\PYTHON\lib\site-packages\bsddb3\__init__.py", line > 162, in hashopen > d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode) What if you use a pickle (see the FAQ) instead of dbm? It might still not work because of the messageinfo db, but it might. I haven't seen anyone report this problem before. Does it work if you just run pop3proxy_tray or sb_server rather than via the service? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:26:03 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:26:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Lost all of my ham/spam training Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B053@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been using Spambayes on a W2K server via the proxy > server for for about 2 weeks now and had trained it on about > 80 spam and 60 ham. Everything was going fine and it was > classifying virtually all of my mails correctly, until today. > I got home from work and checked my mail and everything came > through as unsure. > > After further investigation, it appears all my training has > been lost somehow. The web server home page shows that 0 ham > and spam have been trained. Does your database (hammie.db, probably) still exist? You can find the location via the configuration page (towards the end of the page). If it does, how big is it? Is your mail coming through classified as unsure, or with the "X-Spambayes-Exception" header? =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 6 22:34:17 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:34:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and direct help with Netscape integration Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B067@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > As for the rest of your instructions this is what happened: > I had downloaded Spambayes into C:\programs\netscape\spambayes-1.0a5 > When I searched in this folder for 'setup.py install' I > found a file called 'setup' and a folder called 'installer'. > Double clicking 'setup' very briefly flashed a black Dos type > window on the screen. You need to open up a console window (also called command window or dos prompt) - START->Run->cmd.exe or START->Run->command.exe should work, or you should have a "Command prompt" (or "DOS Prompt") item in the start menu. Once that's open, you need to navigate to the appropriate folder - type in "c:" and then "cd c:\programs\netscape\spambayes-1.0a5". Then type in "setup.py install", and it should print out various information about spambayes being installed. Note that we're currently working on a binary installer that means that people won't have to run from the source code like this anymore, and can just run a 'standard' windows installer. It's not quite ready yet, though. > Should I have downloaded spambayes and python into different > places, It doesn't matter where you put spambayes. When you install Python, it's usually best to put it in the default location (c:\python23, probably), but it doesn't really matter. > do they need to be in the same general folder No. The "setup.py install" command above will copy the appropriate files into the appropriate places. > and do they need to be with the Netscape folder? No. > Should I uninstall python and reinstall it? No. > Should python be installed before spambayes? Yes. Hope this helps. =Tony Meyer From dans at audifans.com Mon Oct 6 22:56:52 2003 From: dans at audifans.com (Dan Simoes) Date: Mon Oct 6 22:58:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline Message-ID: <3F822B74.1060703@audifans.com> I looked in the archives but didn't see anything like this. I am running xp pro, outlook 2002, and SB 008.1 (latest). When I am in the office or VPNd into work and start outlook, no worries. When I am home, I often want to fire up outlook, hit "work offline" since there is no exchange server, and check my pop3 account on another provider. This worked fine on my previous laptop, same config. On this laptop, outlook complains it cannot load the spambayes addin, saying: "There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin, Please restart outlook and try again". Well, no amount of restarting cures this. I either have to VPN into work, or remove spambayes completely to get outlook working in offline mode. Any solutions? Thanks. Please cc me as I am not on the list (yet). From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Oct 6 23:34:37 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Oct 6 23:34:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline In-Reply-To: <3F822B74.1060703@audifans.com> Message-ID: <01a401c38c83$efadb910$f502a8c0@eden> It should work fine - I have the same configuration and always hit "work offline". Can you please attach a log file for such a session (see the "troubleshooting guide")? It may simply be that you can not watch the folders you have configured while offline - I agree a better message could be given, but even then I don't see how it causes Outlook itself to fail... Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Simoes > Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:57 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline > > > I looked in the archives but didn't see anything like this. > I am running xp pro, outlook 2002, and SB 008.1 (latest). > When I am in the office or VPNd into work and start outlook, > no worries. > When I am home, I often want to fire up outlook, hit "work offline" > since there is no exchange server, and check my pop3 account > on another > provider. This worked fine on my previous laptop, same config. > > On this laptop, outlook complains it cannot load the spambayes addin, > saying: > "There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin, Please restart > outlook and try again". > Well, no amount of restarting cures this. I either have to VPN into > work, or remove spambayes completely to get outlook working > in offline mode. > > Any solutions? Thanks. Please cc me as I am not on the list (yet). > > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From peteg at wt.net Tue Oct 7 00:04:16 2003 From: peteg at wt.net (Pete) Date: Tue Oct 7 00:04:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes deleate from pop server? Message-ID: <1065499456.13511.7.camel@DerHawg> Sirs, Using Kmail for a while I was impressed by it's filtering system which says it will remove email from the pop server prior to downloading. I set this filter up and then generated a filter which is supposed to remove mail with a certain string. I didn't see this ever work but I sure like the concept. I am using Spambyes with Evolution on Linux. Pop3proxy does a good job but is it possible to consider including a means of the pop3proxy to examine the headers and remove those emails which match SPAM requirements from the server prior to bringing email down to pop3proxy? Sure would save a lot of bandwidth problems for those of us with slow connections. -- Pete Gandy Pearland, TX 77581 Protect privacy, boycott Intel: http://www.bigbrotherinside.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031006/db2a0df8/attachment.bin From lists at webcrunchers.com Tue Oct 7 00:49:53 2003 From: lists at webcrunchers.com (John D.) Date: Tue Oct 7 00:49:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] I have some questions.... Message-ID: I used to be getting postings from people who are able to acquire a database of word count probabilities... Something like this... penis .997 mortgage .887 . . . myname .001 Where there is a word, then a decimal number from 0 - 1, giving it a probability.... I know some people were generating these files from processing their Corpuses. I just donloaded a fresh release of the SpamBayes work, would some sample files like that be in there? Or was this generated by a program which processes the corpuses, or is this a corpus? Does a file like this exist? If so, could someone send it to me? Or tell me where I can download it? Another problem I'm having is getting the web based configuration to work remotely. I can access it via "localhost", but I also want to be able to access it remotely (because our server is not here). I'm not that concerned with security, because we're just doing some testing, and need to test it from outside the localhost. Initially, I thought it might be because I had not opened up the ports on the firewall, but I eliminated that possibility. What do I have to do, to get access to it remotely. I know eventually, Im not going to want to configure it remotely, but right now, I do. John From martin at dbg400.net Tue Oct 7 03:34:27 2003 From: martin at dbg400.net (Martin Rowe) Date: Tue Oct 7 03:34:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B03D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B03D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200310070834.27529.martin@dbg400.net> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 03:13, Meyer, Tony wrote: [snip] > > If you can regularly reproduce this error, that would be very helpful > to us (we can't). If you're using a pickle, then the db that's getting > corrupted must be the messageinfo one (i.e. this is [ > spambayes-Bugs-807217 ] fatal region error detected; run recovery). > You can safely delete that database and leave the other one there and > still have things work. I moved the spambayes.messageinfo.db out of the way and restarted last night. A new one has been generated and so far no more crashes :) > o up_id=61702> > > What do you have to do to reproduce the error? If you only do > classification and no training, do you still get it? What training > method do you use? What version of Python and bsddb do you have? I couldn't determine what would make it crash, only that it did fairly frequently. I changed my KMail settings to run a pre-command on fetch, which restarted sb_server.py each time before collecting mail. About 1/2 of my mail ended up with the exception error in the headers. All the training I've done (and still do) has been by having Spambayes cache the messages it's fetched which I train on the http:// localhost:8880/review page. Python is 2.3.1 (latest from Debian unstable/ Sid). mrowe@jamaro:~$ spambayes-1.0a6/utilities/which_database.py Pickle is available. Dumbdbm is available. Dbhash is available. Bsddb[3] is available. Your storage hammie.db is a: dbhash It still failed with the same error when I temporarily switched to using a pickle with a new hammie.db. Would my old spambayes.messageinfo.db be of any use? Regards, Martin -- martin@dbg400.net AIM/Gaim: DBG400dotNet http://www.dbg400.net /"\ DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities - AS/400 / iSeries Open \ / Source free test environment tools and others (file/spool/misc) X Debian GNU/Linux | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail & news / \ From dfrench at legato.com Tue Oct 7 05:25:33 2003 From: dfrench at legato.com (David French) Date: Tue Oct 7 05:25:53 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes problem - Outlook 2003 Message-ID: <200310070925.h979PgNp017011@mta1.legato.com> Hello, I can't get SpamBayes working properly on Outlook 2003 Beta. I hope this isn't a really obvious error but I can't work it out. SpamBayes is grading messages correctly (ie, spam messages get high percentages up to 100%), but it's not moving them out of the Inbox. "Enable SpamBayes" is checked and "Filter status" is showing it is watching the inbox. Everything under the "Filtering" tab is set to the defaults. It's been trained on 5089 good and 424 spam mails. The toolbar seems to be working fine, although the log file (attached) seems to contest this. If I select "Delete as Spam" then SpamBayes correctly moves the mails into the relevant spam mail folder, but it doesn't do it automatically. I'm using the Outlook 2003 Beta client, and SpamBayes binary 0.81. A colleague is successfully using SpamBayes with the same client. I believe I have all the correct updates, although I'm open to suggestions here. My log file is attached. I'd love to know what's wrong, as I'm tearing my hair out with all the spam! Thanks, David. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Browser Chris> is Mozilla 1.4 although I get same error in IE6 Chris> 500 Server error Chris> Traceback (most recent call last): ... Chris> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run Chris> database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') You'll only get this error with a bsddb[3] database. We don't yet know precisely why this is happening. Since you're using the pop3proxy_service, I suggest you switch to the Pickle format database. Skip From roy at roywmiller.com Tue Oct 7 08:34:35 2003 From: roy at roywmiller.com (Roy Miller) Date: Tue Oct 7 08:34:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't tell if filtering is working or not Message-ID: <000001c38ccf$5ea841f0$8b01a8c0@roys8200> I hope somebody can shed some light on what's going on (or not going on). I installed the Outlook plugin for SpamBayes on my laptop running Windows XP and Outlook 2002. My mail setup is pretty simple: I have an Inbox, a Spam folder, and a folder hierarchy called Sorted Mail. All mail comes into Inbox first, of course. I believe I configured SpamBayes to examine Inbox when messages arrive, and to send spam to the Spam folder. Doesn't appear to be happening. When I run filtering manually on the Spam folder, it seems to work (i.e., messages are marked as read, as I told SpamBayes to do, etc.). Any idea what might be going wrong? -------------------------------- Roy Miller Software development coach, consultant, author http://www.roywmiller.com From cdhgold at tecman.com Tue Oct 7 09:13:28 2003 From: cdhgold at tecman.com (Chris Goldsmith) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:15:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please References: <003f01c38c1d$6ad85ad0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> <16258.10448.108584.519314@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <005701c38cd4$cf70afd0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> I'll retrain from scratch not a problem as i save all my spam for just such a reason. how do I make sure it is using pickle database? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skip Montanaro" To: "Chris Goldsmith" Cc: Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please > > Chris> Please help I realize I have posted this once before but I never > Chris> got a resposne so i'm trying again. I'm getting the following > Chris> error when trying to train on my latest batch of incoming spam > Chris> thru the web interface. The pc in use in w2k pro. using the > Chris> pop3proxy_service.py in conjunction with Outlook express. Browser > Chris> is Mozilla 1.4 although I get same error in IE6 > > Chris> 500 Server error > Chris> Traceback (most recent call last): > > ... > > Chris> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run > Chris> database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') > > You'll only get this error with a bsddb[3] database. We don't yet know > precisely why this is happening. Since you're using the pop3proxy_service, > I suggest you switch to the Pickle format database. > > Skip > From dhirst at pavilion.co.uk Tue Oct 7 05:39:43 2003 From: dhirst at pavilion.co.uk (David Hirst) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:17:08 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] IEE and Deleting Message-ID: <00f701c38cb6$f5888fd0$6401a8c0@DavidHomeXP> I expect you are aware of the letter in the IEE review commending Spambayes, but I attach a PDF of it in case it is news. It was this that persuaded me to install Spambayes, and I am very happy with the results so far. I did have a minor problem installing it on my notebook. The registration initially failed, but, after repeated attempts, including uninstallation, it seems now to have taken. I am happy to enlarge on my experience if this is likely to be helpful. My discussion point concerns deleting emails. It has been my habit to delete junk from everywhere where it might exist as early as possible. There are three reasons for this: 1. Much of it is offensive, and I just do not want it on any space that I own or manage. 2. I have a PC and a notebook, and use both to download mail. If I have not thoroughly deleted junk mail from the server, it can come back to haunt me when I change "mode" from notebook to PC or vice versa. 3. When travelling, and so with only a low bandwidth connection, my habit is to download only headers, and delete the junk before it reaches my notebook. So I find myself uncomfortable with your suggestion that I maintain a library of junk mail in order to train spambayes if I should lose the spambayes database. I want to delete it fully and as soon as I can. In following up, I see you keep the database where Microsoft suggests, under application data, but I now also find that the spambayes database is probably the most important thing kept in the whole of the application data, and deserves my normal thorough cross computer backup. So application data is not, for me, the best place to keep such data. I would prefer to keep it in my high volatility directories for which I have routine protection processes, which also serve to synchronise my PC and notebook. Since the Application Data "belongs" to applications, is very specific to my desktop on the particular PC, and I do not understand it well enough to feel secure swapping such data across machines, I cannot sensibly keep these bits synchronised across the PC and notebook. So I guess one plea is for the Outlook add-in to have a mechanism to redirect to another directory, which I can then more readily share and backup. My other and more speculative plea is to have a mechanism that would work on just headers, so that when I am on the road, and have only low bandwidth, Spambayes can do some of the work of detecting the junk from the headers alone. It need not have the same reliability as for normal use, and can restrict itself to deleting just the very high probability stuff. But do not let these suggestions imply that I am not very happy indeed with spambayes. It is a super product, and addresses a problem that has been becoming an increasing nuisance to me (and I am sure to many others). Regards David Hirst !-!?!-Hirst Solutions Limited Mobile +44 7831 405443 Home/Office +44 1273 570113 Innovation Technology Sustainability www.davidhirst.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Replying to your original message was on my list, but I hadn't managed to find the time yet. Part of the problem is that over the last couple of weeks people have been trying to figure out the cause of this corruption problem (unsuccessfully so far), and figure out what we should do about it. > I'm getting the > following error when trying to train on my latest batch of > incoming spam thru the web interface. The pc in use in w2k > pro. using the pop3proxy_service.py in conjunction with > Outlook express. Browser is Mozilla 1.4 although I get same > error in IE6 [...] > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, > run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') Our advice here is really to just retrain from scratch (or from a backup of the database). There is a recovery tool from Berkeley (if you google through the archives of the list, someone had a standalone copy available), which you could try running, but we're not sure whether that will work or not. Spambayes learns fast, though, so starting from fresh is probably the best bet. Did the error begin after anything unusual? (Like not shutting spambayes down, or a power cut, or ...) > Also when i try to run the which_database.py to confirm which > database I'm running I get [...] > Your storage hammie.db is a: None which_database.py has been updated (in cvs) to print out a more informative message in this case. None should mean either the file doesn't exist, or it can't be read. Given the above, I suspect the latter is true here. =Tony Meyer From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 7 09:42:28 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:42:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16258.49860.811198.527281@montanaro.dyndns.org> Kenneth> Loose the attitude Mark. I am not spouting unreasonable Kenneth> demands. I am making a reasonable suggestion. Kenneth> MS SQL Server gives the user the ability to backup DB's, as Kenneth> dose MSDE, and Pervasive Server likewise. Outlook gives the Kenneth> user the ability to export thereby creating a backup. Kenneth> Are you not able to see that what I am asking would help Kenneth> improve your software?? You seem to think Mark is getting rich off SpamBayes. He contributes a lot of his own time, and for all I know, all he gets is attaboys from the SpamBayes community. This is open source software. Mark gets to do work on whatever floats his boat. No manager is breathing down his neck to satisfy a cranky customer. I don't know if Mark is using WISE or InnoSetup to create the installer for the Outlook plugin. In either case, I'll bet you a quarter that it's in CVS, right where you can check it out and change it. If you contribute the change back to the project (use the patch submission form on ) I suspect your change will be incorporated into the installer. At minimum, you will have to * ask the user if they want to back up the database * if yes, ask the user where it is (the location is configurable, not static) * figure out where to copy it Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 7 09:44:44 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:45:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B03D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130382B03D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16258.49996.292201.547889@montanaro.dyndns.org> Tony> If you're using a pickle, then the db that's getting corrupted Tony> must be the messageinfo one (i.e. this is [ spambayes-Bugs-807217 Tony> ] fatal region error detected; run recovery). You can safely Tony> delete that database and leave the other one there and still have Tony> things work. Maybe the messageingo database should [also/always/when pickle is chosen] be stored as a pickle? Skip From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 7 09:55:04 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Oct 7 09:55:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please In-Reply-To: <005701c38cd4$cf70afd0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> References: <003f01c38c1d$6ad85ad0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> <16258.10448.108584.519314@montanaro.dyndns.org> <005701c38cd4$cf70afd0$118512ac@lanierhealthcare.com> Message-ID: <16258.50616.654152.303619@montanaro.dyndns.org> Chris> I'll retrain from scratch not a problem as i save all my spam for Chris> just such a reason. how do I make sure it is using pickle Chris> database? Check out (currently) question 4.18 of the FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-do-i-use-a-pickle-for-storage I realize now after reading some of Tony's responses to other messages that even if you choose the pickle format for the training database that there is a messageinfo database which will still default to using bsddb[3]. If you switch to the pickle format and still get those db_run_recovery errors, try deleting the messageinfo database. Skip From gerrit at nl.linux.org Tue Oct 7 10:07:13 2003 From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:07:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] I have some questions.... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031007140713.GA5386@nl.linux.org> John D. wrote: > Another problem I'm having is getting the web based configuration to work > remotely. I can access it via "localhost", but I also want to be able to access it remotely (because our server is not here). I'm not that concerned with security, because we're just doing some testing, and need to test it > from outside the localhost. Initially, I thought it might be because I had not opened up the ports on the firewall, but I eliminated that possibility. > > What do I have to do, to get access to it remotely. I know eventually, > Im not going to want to configure it remotely, but right now, I do. You can set the 'allow_remote_connections' in the .spambayesrc or spambayes.ini configuration file, in the [html_ui] section, to '*': [html_ui] allow_remote_connections - "Allowed remote connections" Do not restore: False Valid values: \*|localhost|((\*|[01]?\d\d?|2[04]\d|25[0-5])\.(\*|[01]?\d\d?|2[04]\d|25[0-5])\.(\*|[01]?\d\d?|2[04]\d|25[0-5] )\.(\*|[01]?\d\d?|2[04]\d|25[0-5]),?)+ Multiple values allowed: False "Enter a list of trusted IPs, separated by commas. Remote connections from any of them will be allowed. You can trust any IP using a single '*' as field value. You can also trust ranges of IPs using the '*' character as a wildcard (for instance 192.168.0.*). The localhost IP will always be trusted. Type 'localhost' in the field to trust this only address." yours, Gerrit. -- 6. If any one steal the property of a temple or of the court, he shall be put to death, and also the one who receives the stolen thing from him shall be put to death. -- 1780 BC, Hammurabi, Code of Law -- Asperger Syndroom - een persoonlijke benadering: http://people.nl.linux.org/~gerrit/ Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet: http://www.sp.nl/ From lists at strisik.com Tue Oct 7 10:49:24 2003 From: lists at strisik.com (Peter Strisik) Date: Tue Oct 7 10:49:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes problem - Outlook 2003 In-Reply-To: <200310070925.h979PgNp017011@mta1.legato.com> Message-ID: <0HME000XY6IESL@mmp-3.gci.net> Try unchecking background filtering if you have it checked. Counterintuitive but it fixed the same problem for me. .......Peter David French <> emailed on Tuesday, October 07, 2003 1:26 AM: (at least in part)..... > Hello, > > I can't get SpamBayes working properly on Outlook 2003 Beta. I hope > this isn't a really obvious error but I can't work it out. > > SpamBayes is grading messages correctly (ie, spam messages get high > percentages up to 100%), but it's not moving them out of the Inbox. > "Enable SpamBayes" is checked and "Filter status" is showing it is > watching the inbox. Everything under the "Filtering" tab is set to > the defaults. It's been trained on 5089 good and 424 spam mails. > The toolbar seems to be working fine, although the log file > (attached) seems to contest this. If I select "Delete as Spam" then > SpamBayes correctly moves the mails into the relevant spam mail > folder, but it doesn't do it automatically. > > I'm using the Outlook 2003 Beta client, and SpamBayes binary 0.81. A > colleague is successfully using SpamBayes with the same client. I > believe I have all the correct updates, although I'm open to > suggestions here. > > My log file is attached. I'd love to know what's wrong, as I'm > tearing my hair out with all the spam! > > Thanks, > David. From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 09:23:08 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:09:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes deleate from pop server? In-Reply-To: <1065499456.13511.7.camel@DerHawg> References: <1065499456.13511.7.camel@DerHawg> Message-ID: <3F82BE3C.8000007@videotron.ca> Hi, >I am using Spambayes with Evolution on Linux. >Pop3proxy does a good job but is it possible to consider including a >means of the pop3proxy to examine the headers and remove those emails >which match SPAM requirements from the server prior to bringing email >down to pop3proxy? > If you want to do that you need to install the filtering on the server. Do you have access to the server ? Some people tried downloading only the header of the mail and make a good guest if it was spam of ham then download only ham. If you browse the mailing list you will find some info on how other tried that. Remi From janzens at mmfi.com Tue Oct 7 12:44:57 2003 From: janzens at mmfi.com (Sheldon Janzen) Date: Tue Oct 7 12:42:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Certain Spam box - Deleted Items? Message-ID: <001001c38cf2$59ca99d0$d136c3cf@sheldon> Is it possible that you could add the Deleted Items folder as a option for the Certain Spam folder? Sheldon Janzen Technical Support Mennonite Mutual Fire Insurance Tel: (306) 945-2239 Fax: (306) 945-4666 www.mmfi.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. From David.Bear at asu.edu Tue Oct 7 13:09:58 2003 From: David.Bear at asu.edu (David Bear) Date: Tue Oct 7 13:19:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spam clues Message-ID: <20031007100958.E5451@asu.edu> sorry to ask a question like this, but I couldn't find the answer in the faq. the windows spambayes has a great feature to show the spam clues for the current message. I'm wondering how to do that on linux.. would it me a call the hammie.py? -- David Bear phone: 480-965-8257 fax: 480-965-9189 College of Public Programs/ASU Wilson Hall 232 Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing" From carlgroner at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 13:32:32 2003 From: carlgroner at earthlink.net (Carl) Date: Tue Oct 7 13:33:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spam clues In-Reply-To: <20031007100958.E5451@asu.edu> Message-ID: David, Are you using the pop3proxy? if so, you can view the spam clues for proxied messages through the web interface. After receiving a message, connect to the web interface, click review and you should see the list of messages. Click 'show clues' on the message you want to review. Hope this helps, Carl. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of David Bear > Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 10:10 AM > To: spam bayes > Subject: [Spambayes] spam clues > > > sorry to ask a question like this, but I couldn't find the answer in > the faq. > > the windows spambayes has a great feature to show the spam clues for > the current message. > > I'm wondering how to do that on linux.. would it me a call the > hammie.py? > > -- > David Bear > phone: 480-965-8257 > fax: 480-965-9189 > College of Public Programs/ASU > Wilson Hall 232 > Tempe, AZ 85287-0803 > "Beware the IP portfolio, everyone will be suspect of trespassing" > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From spambayes at whateley.com Tue Oct 7 14:08:38 2003 From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:08:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spam clues In-Reply-To: <20031007100958.E5451@asu.edu> References: <20031007100958.E5451@asu.edu> Message-ID: <200310071108.38050.spambayes@whateley.com> You can also set the "Add evidence header" option in the advanced config page. (Or edit the *.ini file). Then if you set your email reader to "show all headers" you will see the "clues". I personally leave my email reader set to "smart headers" and just use its "view message source" when I want to see all the headers, including the spam evidence headers... Brendon. On Tuesday 07 October 2003 10:09 am, David Bear wrote: > sorry to ask a question like this, but I couldn't find the answer in > the faq. > > the windows spambayes has a great feature to show the spam clues for > the current message. > > I'm wondering how to do that on linux.. would it me a call the > hammie.py? From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 7 14:17:38 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Tue Oct 7 14:17:36 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Total emails trained on web interface Message-ID: <000201c38cff$4abf8380$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Where is this information stored ? I had clocked up 90 spam and 78 ham. I rebooted the server and this went back to 0 for both. I am using pop3proxy_service (version 1.0ab) running on a W2K server as a service. The ini file and pickle are still in place and the ini file is being picked up when I run the web interface. I assume that my training is still there, just not reporting the totals ? Alan From rclilly at cox.net Tue Oct 7 15:21:20 2003 From: rclilly at cox.net (Robert Lilly) Date: Tue Oct 7 15:23:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Which DBM storage type am I using? Message-ID: I'm trying to learn the ins and outs of how SpamBayes is functioning on my system. I've figured out that it's using a db to store, as that is the default. I can see the files ending in .db so I'm pretty sure that's correct. I've also figured out that the default dbm_type is 'best' and that I have the following available as per which_database.py: >which_database.py Pickle is available. Dumbdbm is available. Dbhash is available. Bsddb[3] is available. Your storage hammie.db is a: None So, it isn't using Pickle, since it using a db. It isn't using hammie.db as that is 'None'. That leaves Dumbdbm, Dbhash, and Bsddb[3]. How do I know which one it is using? Also, how do I know this is actually the best dbm for my system? Obviously this isn't a life or death question and SpamBayes is working just fine. As I said above I'm just trying to learn the ins and outs. Thanks, Robert --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 2003.09.29 From papaDoc at videotron.ca Tue Oct 7 15:51:45 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Tue Oct 7 15:50:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Which DBM storage type am I using? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F831951.7080600@videotron.ca> Hi, >I have the following available as per which_database.py: > > >which_database.py > Pickle is available. > Dumbdbm is available. > Dbhash is available. > Bsddb[3] is available. > > Your storage hammie.db is a: None > If I remember correctly since it is "my script'" (which_database.py that what skip said ) The first 4 lines enumerate the available "databases" on your system. The last line looks at your hammie.db file and tell you what is kind of database you are using. If you get None this means that the script was not able to find the hammie.db file you are using for spambayes. (Are you on windows and using the plugins ?) If not: You can try: 1- Execute the file in the same directory of where you start sb_*.py. It should use the same options. 2- Copy the file hammie.db (with size different than 0) to the directory where you find which_database.py and try again. Remi From richardjones at optushome.com.au Tue Oct 7 19:10:21 2003 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Tue Oct 7 19:11:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError Message-ID: <200310080910.21097.richardjones@optushome.com.au> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031008/fa092e69/attachment.bin From tim.one at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 22:21:24 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Tue Oct 7 22:21:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Update to 0.81 deleted md db In-Reply-To: <16258.49860.811198.527281@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: [Skip Montanaro, to Kenneth Hart] > You seem to think Mark is getting rich off SpamBayes. What, he's not?! The lying bastard . Kenneth, Skip is right: you're not paying any of us, and nobody else is either, to work on this. Open source software is about scratching your own itches. It's generally futile to try to convince someone else that the itch you have is also their itch. You can scratch your own, though, and contribute the work back to the project. Then everyone with your particular itch gets relief. Mark has been scratching a lot of my itches, and me his, so we get along famously. Problems with corrupted databases have been frequent and mysterious and disruptive enough that *maybe* making backups is a decent short-term hack; problems with installation seemingly deleting a database remain unique to you. > ... > I don't know if Mark is using WISE or InnoSetup to create the > installer for the Outlook plugin. He's using InnoSetup, which is also free and open source. > In either case, I'll bet you a quarter that it's in CVS, right where > you can check it out and change it. Yes. All the code for the Outlook addin lives here: http://cvs.sf.net/viewcvs.py/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/ and can be checked out by anyone via CVS. The InnoSetup files live in the installer/ subdirectory of that; the .iss file is "the installer" (the input to InnoSetup), and fits on a page. > If you contribute the change back to the project (use the patch > submission form on ) I suspect > your change will be incorporated into the installer. At minimum, you > will have to > > * ask the user if they want to back up the database > > * if yes, ask the user where it is (the location is configurable, > not static) > > * figure out where to copy it I don't know whether it would be accepted -- we'd have to see. We're aiming more at mass-market users than sysadmin types in the Outlook addin, and have made some real progress in that direction. My sisters don't understand software backup schemes. They do understand me buying a box for them (an external hard drive), plugging it in, and pressing the "backup now" button. They're confused when, e.g., Quicken tells them it's time to back up their data file, and the first time their Quicken data fails to fit on a single floppy they never back it up again. From sam at bbinet.com Tue Oct 7 20:00:29 2003 From: sam at bbinet.com (Sam T.S. Wong) Date: Tue Oct 7 22:27:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes_addin.dll won't register Message-ID: <9080DEFE0A5A994585DFE294AEDB7C150A92@concerto.bbinet.com> Windows: XP SP1 Outlook: 2002 (10.2627.2625) Spambayes: 008.1 I downloaded the latest version of Outlook Plugin and successfully installed on my laptop. I then shutdown outlook on my laptop and tried to install on my desktop, I got: C:\Program files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code 0x00000000. Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or Abort to cancel installation. Retry didn't make it go away. I then clicked ignore and let the install finish. I then tried to register spambayes_addin.dll manually with regsvr32.exe and got: DllRegisterServer in spambayes_addin.dll failed. Return code was: 0xc0000005 I checked the log files, all log files are empty. I then uninstalled Spambayes from my laptop, rebooted the laptop, uninstalled spambayes from my desktop, rebooted my desktop and tried installing again on my desktop and got the same results as above. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Sam Wong. From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Tue Oct 7 22:37:13 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Tue Oct 7 22:37:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-dev] SPAMBAYES DUPLICATING EMAIL Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C567@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have installd the latest version of spambayes, > i am having a problem with multiple duplications > of emails, in one case this morning i received 32 > of the same e-mail messages from the same person. > Can you advise how to correct? I am running windows > 2000 ver5 service pack 4. 1. The correct place for messages like this is either the spambayes mailing list - spambayes@python.org, or via a bug tracker on sourceforge's system: . spambayes-dev is intended for discussion of development of spambayes, and it helps if mail is kept in the right place. 2. What part of spambayes are you using? The Outlook plug-in? sb_server.py? sb_imapfilter.py? sb_filter.py? pop3proxy.py? Something else? 3. What version of spambayes are you using ("the latest" might not be)? 008.1? 1.0a5? 1.0a6? Current CVS? If you're using imapfilter.py with 1.0a5, then please try upgrading to 1.0a6, as a bug sounding like this was fixed then. If not, then please supply more information! =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Tue Oct 7 22:52:39 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Tue Oct 7 22:52:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Total emails trained on web interface Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C57A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Where is this information stored ? With the statistical information about the tokens in a database. > I had clocked up 90 spam and 78 ham. I rebooted the server > and this went back to 0 for both. The two most obvious explanations for this are that your database has become corrupted, or that spambayes can't find your database. If you use the web interface configuration page, you can set the location of the database - a full path ("C:\whatever\hammie.db", not just "hammie.db") is best. > The ini file and pickle are still in > place and the ini file is being picked up when I run the web > interface. I assume that my training is still there, just > not reporting the totals ? Are you definitely using a pickle and not dbm? If that's the case, then it's extremely unlikely that the database has become corrupted. The easy way to check if the training is still there is to type a message into the "Classify message" box on the front page of the web interface and see what it scores (anything will do). If it's exactly 0.5, and the aren't any clues generated (apart from the *H* and *S* ones), then there isn't any training information. If the training data is there and the interface does report that it isn't, you should probably open a bug report so that we get this fixed: =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Tue Oct 7 23:02:19 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:02:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Certain Spam box - Deleted Items? Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C58E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is it possible that you could add the Deleted Items folder as > a option for the Certain Spam folder? >From the new FAQ 3.12: Why can't I set spam to be moved to the Deleted Items folder? ------------------------------------------------------------- The problem with this is that you can also set SpamBayes to train all messages moved to the designated spam folder. If you set the deleted items folder as the spam folder (early versions of the plug-in allowed this), then *all* messages that you delete would be trained as spam. To get this restriction removed, you'll have to convince the developers that there is a way to do this without confusing people - for example, if we let you choose the deleted items folder as the spam folder, only if the 'incremental training' option was off, people would get confused about why it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Note that Outlook 2003 has a "Junk Mail" folder that has many of the deleted items folder's properties, and you *can* get SpamBayes to move spam to this folder. You may also find some good advice in the answer to . =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Tue Oct 7 23:12:10 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:12:17 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] I have some questions.... Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C5A0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I used to be getting postings from people who are able to acquire > a database of word count probabilities... Something like this... > > penis .997 > mortgage .887 [...] > Where there is a word, then a decimal number from 0 - 1, giving it > a probability.... [...] If you want results for the entire database, then you can use the sb_dbexpimp.py tool in the scripts directory to export the database to a 'flat' text file. Note that this won't include the score, but will include the number of times each token has been seen in ham or spam. If you want to generate the score, you can get the formula from classifier.py, and work it out from that (in Excel, for example). If you want the scores for particular words, then the web interface has a "Word Query" box that will give you this. In 1.0a6 you can put a '*' at the end of a word as a wildcard (it will give a maximum of 10 results, although you can edit UserInterface.py to change this). If you use current CVS, there is an 'Advanced Find' that you can enable that will let you change the maximum number of results, do regular expression searches, and so on (you could get the entire database this way, too, but setting the maximum number of results to an impossibly huge number and doing a wildcard search for "*"). If you want the clues for a particular message, you can get this by either enabling the 'evidence' header, by pasting the message into the "Classify message" box on the web interface, or by using the "Show Clues" link in the review page. If you want the tokens for a particular message, current cvs will offer these from the review page, too. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Tue Oct 7 23:19:05 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Tue Oct 7 23:19:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] IEE and Deleting Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C5B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > So I find myself uncomfortable with your suggestion that I > maintain a library of junk mail in order to train spambayes > if I should lose the spambayes database. It's worth noting that database corruption in the Outlook plug-in is pretty rare these days. Spambayes should also learn fast, so it's not a total disaster to have to train from scratch. > So I guess one plea is for the Outlook add-in to have a > mechanism to redirect to another directory, which I can then > more readily share and backup. This already exists, although you have to manually edit the configuration file (i.e. it's not exposed via the GUI). The configuration guide (linked to from the 'about' page in the 'help' submenu) has details (it's the "data_directory" option). > My other and more speculative plea is to have a mechanism > that would work on just headers, so that when I am on the > road, and have only low bandwidth, Spambayes can do some of > the work of detecting the junk from the headers alone. It > need not have the same reliability as for normal use, and can > restrict itself to deleting just the very high probability stuff. This is a quite common request (although more for non-Outlook users, IIRC). Feel free to open a feature request: , and someone will probably look into it at some point. (Actually, I started doing something along these lines a while back, but then ended up getting busy with some other work and haven't ever gone back to it). =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:25:13 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:25:30 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C60E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've just got the attached error when submitting training in > message review. > Is there a way to recover at this point? I can find no > information about *how* to "run database recovery". The "database recovery" mentioned is an error from Berkeley's dbm; there is a recovery application that you can get from them, but it probably isn't any use in this case. We're trying to figure out the cause of the corruption problems at the moment. For now, what you can do is: 1. Try moving the messageinfo db out of the way and see if that fixes it. 2. Try moving the stats (hammie) db out of the way and see if that fixes it. (This one is very optional) 3. Wait until anonymous cvs access via sourceforge updates, get a copy from there, and see if that fixes it. Note that #2 means losing all your training information and starting from scratch, but that might be the only option. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:25:58 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:26:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Need help with coprrupt database please Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C610@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > no nothing unusual .. should i be stopping the > pop3proxy_service manully before i shut my pc down? That shouldn't be necessary, no. Hopefully we'll figure out the cause of the corruption problems shortly - we seem to be making progress, at any rate. Thanks, Tony Meyer From richardjones at optushome.com.au Wed Oct 8 00:35:58 2003 From: richardjones at optushome.com.au (Richard Jones) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:36:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C60E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C60E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <200310081436.02348.richardjones@optushome.com.au> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 02:25 pm, Meyer, Tony wrote: > We're trying to figure out the cause of the corruption problems at the > moment. For now, what you can do is: > 1. Try moving the messageinfo db out of the way and see if that fixes > it. No change. > 2. Try moving the stats (hammie) db out of the way and see if that > fixes it. That did the job. > Note that #2 means losing all your training information and starting > from scratch, but that might be the only option. Interestingly, the messages awaiting review were still classified ham/spam/unsure, so I just had to fix the unsure and I've already got a good training set from the last day or so... Richard -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031008/430ea0fd/attachment.bin From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:38:24 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:38:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] DBRunRecoveryError Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C61B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > > For now, what you can do is: 1. Try moving the messageinfo > > db out of the way and see if that fixes it. > No change. Drat, I was hoping it was that one that was corrupted. > > 2. Try moving the stats (hammie) db out of the way and see if that > > fixes it. > > That did the job. Good. If it happens again (it shouldn't), then any information about anything that happened just prior would possibly be helpful to try and track this down. > Interestingly, the messages awaiting review were still classified > ham/spam/unsure, so I just had to fix the unsure and I've > already got a good training set from the last day or so... That's good :) Thanks for letting us know what worked. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:40:21 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:40:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and direct help with Netscape integration Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C61D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I went to the dos prompt and followed your > instructions but 'setup.py install' resulted in > a message 'Bad command or file name'. You were definitely in the right directory? You definitely typed that exactly? If you do "dir" in that directory, do you see the setup.py file? > There is a > file in the directory called setup.py but this > appears to contain only the python icon and the > file name. Why do you think it only contains the icon and the file name? What you are trying to do is run the file "setup.py" with the parameter "install". Try typing "c:\python23\python.exe setup.py install" (maybe you don't have Windows setup to run .py files through Python). (If you installed Python somewhere that wasn't c:\python23, then change that in the command). =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:51:38 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:52:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C623@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I did solve the problem by looking at "Properties" of the SpamBayes > Service, the "Log On" tab and changing it from "Local System" > to my user acccount. I'm not sure whether this is the right way to solve > it, but it works! Thanks for letting us know this - now we'll know what to suggest next time we see this problem :) Cheers, Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 00:53:14 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 00:53:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C624@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I moved the spambayes.messageinfo.db out of the way and > restarted last > night. A new one has been generated and so far no more crashes :) Good :) I suspect that you will end up having it happen again, though, but should be able to do this same 'fix'. Hopefully the next release will have this ironed out. > Would my old spambayes.messageinfo.db be of any use? Probably not, but thanks for the offer. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Wed Oct 8 01:31:44 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Wed Oct 8 01:31:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C631@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm now getting a problem with the Windows Spambayes service. It is > installed but I cannot start it. It gives an > application-specific error of 1. > > I used the pop3proxy_service.py remove then did the install. > The service sits there but cannot be started. There should be an error message in the event log for the service, which would be of use. If you're not sure how to get to that (I'm not :), then you can run "pop3proxy_service.py debug", which attempts to start the service, and if it fails, prints out the error message to the screen. If you can pass this on, we'll try to figure out what the problem is. =Tony Meyer From jadams at tvi.edu Wed Oct 8 10:22:55 2003 From: jadams at tvi.edu (Adams, Jonathan) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:23:03 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Install .81 Message-ID: Hey guys I have heard great things about your Spambayes product, when attempting to install this on my machine we had a power failure. It happened during the training portion of the install, this left me without anything in the drop down list and could not start anything at that point. I removed the product and attempted to reinstall but it did not work. The log says that it was successfully installed however there are no icons in Outlook and I have no option to train. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated Thanks "Thus far you have been adrift in the sheltered harbor of my patience." -Cobra Bubbles 2002 ****************************************************************** ALBUQUERQUE TECHNICAL VOCATIONAL INSTITUTE 525 Buena Vista SE * Albuquerque, New Mexico 87106 Application Development & Support Department Jonathan Adams * JADAMS@tvi.edu Student/Web Module Programmer Telephone - 505.224.4499 * Fax - 505.224.3041 ****************************************************************** From joe at FWCCINC.com Wed Oct 8 10:52:56 2003 From: joe at FWCCINC.com (Joe Durden) Date: Wed Oct 8 10:51:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express Message-ID: <000901c38dab$dbf22770$6401a8c0@JOES> I've been using both Outlook and Outlook Express, so I would know which address was on the spammer's list and would not be providing them an address they did not have. Can I set-up Spambayes on Outlook Express? Thanks, Joe. From rberger3 at cox.net Wed Oct 8 12:12:34 2003 From: rberger3 at cox.net (Ray Berger) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:12:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Where is the default Outlook plug-in database? Message-ID: <000001c38db6$fbb0d420$1600a8c0@P800XP> I have downloaded and installed the Outlook plugin. The Docs/FAQ says that the database for the Outlook plug-in is default_bayes_database, but This does not seem to exist, nor is there any other .db file in the SpamBayes directory tree. What is the correct name & location for this file? Thanks Ray Berger rsberger@hotmail.com From tim.one at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 12:16:23 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Wed Oct 8 12:16:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Where is the default Outlook plug-in database? In-Reply-To: <000001c38db6$fbb0d420$1600a8c0@P800XP> Message-ID: [Ray Berger] > I have downloaded and installed the Outlook plugin. > The Docs/FAQ says that the database for the Outlook plug-in is > default_bayes_database, but This does not seem to exist, nor is there > any other .db file in the SpamBayes directory tree. What is the > correct name & location for this file? With Outlook running, start with the SpamBayes toolbar menu, like so: SpamBayes -> SpamBayes Manager ... -> Advanced -> Show Data Folder From Thomas at Bornhaupt.de Wed Oct 8 13:10:17 2003 From: Thomas at Bornhaupt.de (Thomas Bornhaupt) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:10:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Tricks of Spammer Message-ID: <000401c38dbf$0ca7cf60$0202a8c0@NEUSTADT> Hi all, i got thi Email: -------------------- A revolutionary new service connecting cheating wives with single men They are lonely and they need a real man to satisfy their intimate desires Browse the database and get a date with a cheating wife tonight http://datemakermania.com/ocw/100136.html If you don't want to hear from us again please follow the link below http://1stfriendfinder.com/goodbye.html gkolxibilnxyb jxxifjdbjw tstbmjbskr sltdawdqhs fnbrxzdxffcmmb chwrpldaxqpzc nfltamcejojbi ixiibxbump hizwtfdnzqwc obzmkgcrloja joefopylxgcewt swmscsuuuef oqncbobldecoxd bvibtvcoswe oecapgbiytyv zlrfyrtacg ieelakjzfjiyd ygwumecipzl dzgzrdjfdj ukcisycarn ghraejbaegjmyd fvoeqlcmztsdu stakibdzwzwy ciiimabanpewrd bnxhgsdkptp ihtrbvdxcwdabd rixmmhwdjppnc plviwubrud lrfvcqclpegm Thanks bye. -------------------------------- with the funny, nonsence words at the end of the eamil. they got only 72.1% Spam. I think we need three lists 1: Spam words 2: Ham words 3: Real words --> Spelling Dictionary from Word (German, English, ..)? Is this an idear. regards Thomas From fhurst at charter.net Wed Oct 8 13:36:28 2003 From: fhurst at charter.net (Ferrell Hurst) Date: Wed Oct 8 13:36:39 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Which One for My Puter Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20031008122345.01ae5da8@pop.charter.net> Hi, Since I am an amateur operator I am not sure what I am reading half the time. I am curently using a PC with Windows XP Home Edition. I have installed Spam Pal and it is doing absolutely nothing. Since I am an amateur I don't know exactly what to do to make it work thus, I want to uninstall it and use something else. I was hoping I could use SpamBayes. Chris Parillo thinks it is the best and I trust his judgement and would like to try it. Can you please tell me which version I should use use and how to install it. Please, also, include a link or address to the Web page where it can be found. Thank You, Ferrell From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Wed Oct 8 14:32:28 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:31:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Total emails trained on web interface Message-ID: <000c01c38dca$877ef320$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> >> I had clocked up 90 spam and 78 ham. I rebooted the server >> and this went back to 0 for both. >The two most obvious explanations for this are that your database has >become corrupted, or that spambayes can't find your database. If you >use the web interface configuration page, you can set the location of >the database - a full path ("C:\whatever\hammie.db", not just >"hammie.db") is best. The full path was being specified. >> The ini file and pickle are still in >> place and the ini file is being picked up when I run the web >> interface. I assume that my training is still there, just >> not reporting the totals ? >Are you definitely using a pickle and not dbm? If that's the case, then >it's extremely unlikely that the database has become corrupted. The >easy way to check if the training is still there is to type a message >into the "Classify message" box on the front page of the web interface >and see what it scores (anything will do). If it's exactly 0.5, and the >aren't any clues generated (apart from the *H* and *S* ones), then there >isn't any training information. Very strange, I only have one database file, the message_info_database.pck file. The statistics_database.pck file doesn't exist ! I had problems with the origional files, which were dbm and I was advised to change to a pickle. I couldn't get the convertion script to work on them (different thread), so I decided to cut my loses and start from scratch, following the instruction in the FAQ on how to use a pickle. I have stopped and restarted the pop3proxy_server several times, but it doesn't want to create the stats pickle. I downloaded the trainer database, renamed that to statistics_database.pck and placed it in the directory that I have setup (c:\spambayes\proxy) and it reports 18 spam and 22 ham. I have stopped and restarted the service a couple of times and its still reporting 18/22. I will see how this goes. Thanks for the assistance. Alan From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Wed Oct 8 14:39:30 2003 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (jacob-spambayes-list@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Wed Oct 8 14:44:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Is SSL functional in sb_imapfilter? Message-ID: <4121.156.56.72.217.1065638370.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Hello everyone, I have been trying to determine if SSL connections are possible in the most recent release of sb_imapfilter. I can succesfully connect to a non-SSL IMAP server, but when I change the address to be mail.mywebserver.com:993, I can no longer connect. sb_imapfilter complains that "Invalid server or port, please check these settings." I can connect to the server via other major programs, so I suspect that the connection is being sent on the right port, but not over SSL. How do I correct that? So you know, the relevant line from the .ini file is: server:xxxxx.xxxxxxx.xxx:993 From hsmith at bpu.com Wed Oct 8 16:12:37 2003 From: hsmith at bpu.com (Hal Smith) Date: Wed Oct 8 16:12:47 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Multiple inboxes seemingly treated as one in Message-ID: I have my Outlook 2000 configured to open two mailboxes, my primary email account, and the account that I use for my Intranet. If we have an enterprise-wide message sent to our Global list, I only see (now, after Spambayes, the last 3 releases) all messages in my primary mailbox. The Intranet's mailbox doesn't ever get any mail like that if my outlook is online, spambayes grabs it all and puts it in my mailbox. I think it even grabs stuff from the Intranet's mailbox when it starts up, but I am not really sure. I just sent a message from myself to the Intranet Mailbox with several good triggering phrases from the traditional porn teasers to selected items from the MS outlook filer. It showed up in my BayesUnsure mail box with a 49% score. I was please that after I deleted it as spam that the score shot up to 87%. And I only have that one instance of the product that Bob Dole pitched for in that one message, love the on the fly training. But, I have to keep my mailbox open while at the office all the time. Is there any way to beat the Spambayes taking over Both inboxes? Thanks Hal Smith, Systems Analyst Web - Database - Middleware PlanetBPU Intranet Administrator Board of Public Utilities 540 Minnesota Ave Kansas City, KS 66101-2930 Phone 913-573-9185 E-mail hsmith@bpu.com Serving the Water and Electric Needs of Kansas City, Kansas From Jill_n_Ringo at margaritasrus.com Wed Oct 8 18:30:23 2003 From: Jill_n_Ringo at margaritasrus.com (Jill_n_Ringo) Date: Wed Oct 8 18:30:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Help installing spambayes Message-ID: <000201c38deb$c9d9c8f0$bb00a8c0@Ringo> I'm running winxp using outlook xp. I downloaded SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe. When I tried to install it it said something like "can't register file xxx" I hit abort and tried it again. It did not give an error, but looked like it was registering then the box went away. It looks like it did not install, I don't have the button in outlook. Any idea on how to fix it? Thanks Ringo From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 19:14:09 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:14:20 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Which One for My Puter In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0D31@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B028@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Can you please tell me which version I should use use and how > to install it. Please, also, include a link or address to the Web page > where it can be found. If you using Microsoft Outlook (not Express), then you want the Outlook plug-in. If you don't, and you get your mail via POP3 (probably), you want to use sb_server.py (pop3proxy). If you use IMAP, then you want to use sb_imapfilter.py. Installation instructions are included if you download it. (Read the README.txt file). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 19:16:47 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:17:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Is SSL functional in sb_imapfilter? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0D33@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B029@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been trying to determine if SSL connections are > possible in the most recent release of sb_imapfilter. I can > succesfully connect to a non-SSL IMAP server, but when I > change the address to be mail.mywebserver.com:993, I can no > longer connect. sb_imapfilter complains that "Invalid server > or port, please check these settings." You need to tell spambayes to use ssl. Add this to the ini file in the [imap] section: use_ssl: True This option should be exposed on the web configuration page, but isn't, due to a bug in 1.0a6. (This is fixed in cvs, so will be fixed in the next release). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 19:11:50 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:24:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Express In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0D2D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B027@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've been using both Outlook and Outlook Express, so I would > know which address was on the spammer's list and would not be > providing them an address they did not have. > > Can I set-up Spambayes on Outlook Express? Please read FAQ 2.1: =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 19:37:13 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:37:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Tricks of Spammer In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0D30@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B02B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > 1: Spam words > 2: Ham words > 3: Real words --> Spelling Dictionary from Word (German, English, ..)? Note that spambayes doesn't know what a spam word or ham word is - it's just a word with a couple of numbers (times seem in ham and spam). Any word might be considered ham, spam, or somewhere in between, depending on the training you've done. This is basically the same as: [ spambayes-Feature Requests-817813 ] Consider badspelling a sign of spam It's come up a few times; feel free to add comments to that tracker. I imagine someone will play around with testing the idea at some point (to close the tracker, if for no other reason), but it'll have to wait until someone finds the time and inclination to do that. FWIW, those 'junk' words in your messages shouldn't have affected the score at all. If they hadn't been seen before, they would have scored 0.5, and tokens that score between 0.4 and 0.6 aren't included in calculating the message's score (unless you've changed the defaults). If you look at the clues for the message, it should become apparent why it scored what it did - note that even 72% isn't that bad - training on a single message like this may very well push all future ones into certain spam territory. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 19:42:23 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:42:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Which One for My Puter In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0E48@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2994@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Earlier today I received an email from Brendon Whiteley in > reply to this email. He had me go to his website to download > Python and another file. His instructions had me click on the > install wizzard and then add text to some path variable but, > at that point I am not sure what I was doing and why so, > I stopped before I did any damage. Brendon called me on the > phone but my last email did not get replyed to as yet. > > Do you know what these path variables are for? Presumably then, you're not using Outlook. In that case what you need to do is: 1. Install Python - just clicking OK/next at all the install prompts is sufficient. 2. If you are using Windows, you probably want to install the win32 extensions as well, although this isn't 100% necessary. Again, all the installer defaults should be fine. 3. Download spambayes-1.0a6.zip (or spambayes-1.0a5.zip), and expand it. 4. Open the README.txt file in the directory you expanded it into. 5. Follow the instructions in the "Installation" section. I don't know exactly what you were doing before, so I can't help with that. You don't *have* to modify any 'path variable' to install spambayes, but if you want to use it from a particular place, then you might. Probably best to just continue with the instructions you received from him, if he knows your system. =Tony Meyer From rclilly at cox.net Wed Oct 8 19:55:32 2003 From: rclilly at cox.net (Robert Lilly) Date: Wed Oct 8 19:55:41 2003 Subject: [SpamBayes] Which DBM storage type am I using? In-Reply-To: <3F831951.7080600@videotron.ca> Message-ID: > From: papaDoc [mailto:papaDoc@videotron.ca] > Subject: Re: [SpamBayes] Which DBM storage type am I using? > > >I have the following available as per which_database.py: > > > > >which_database.py > > Pickle is available. > > Dumbdbm is available. > > Dbhash is available. > > Bsddb[3] is available. > > > > Your storage hammie.db is a: None > > > If I remember correctly since it is "my script'" (which_database.py that > what skip said ) > The first 4 lines enumerate the available "databases" on your system. Ok, that's what I assumed. > The last line looks at your hammie.db file and tell you what is kind of > database you are using. > If you get None this means that the script was not able to find the > hammie.db file you are using for spambayes. (Are you on windows and > using the plugins ?) I am on Windows, but am not using the plug-in, I am using the pop3proxy_service. I deleted then reinstalled SpamBayes and re-ran which_database.py. This time it told me it was using dbhash. Is this the default, or is this really the best choice for my system, given that all 4 options are available? Thanks! --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 2003.10.06 From services at AndreasK.de Wed Oct 8 19:59:59 2003 From: services at AndreasK.de (AndreasK) Date: Wed Oct 8 20:00:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] copying db to other computer? ; 2 ini files Message-ID: Hi! I have just installed SB & SB-Outlook-Plugin onto another computer (with less organized folders - so that I do not have such a clean division between 2000 spam and 1600 ham mails). Thus, I would like to take the (well trained) machine-1-Bayes-knowledge and transfer it to machine-2. Is there any problem in just copying the files default_bayes_database.db (5,112 KB) and default_message_database.db (168 KB) to another computer with another Outlook? Or should I rather only copy the default_bayes_database.db as the messages will be different on that machine? Or is there no chance of transporting the Bayes-Knowledge at all? Thanks a lot in advance! Andreas P.S.: There ARE actually 2 (TWO) configuration files "default_bayes_customize.ini", one in the Documents and Settings\Andreas\Application Data\SpamBayes and another in the Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin So I changed the (German) settings replace_nonascii_chars: False in BOTH of them, just to be shure In danger of repeating myself, I suggest to you to remove or rename one or the other of those 2 files in the next distribution, in order not to confuse people which of these 2 is the relevant. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 20:00:08 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 20:00:16 2003 Subject: [SpamBayes] Which DBM storage type am I using? In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0E61@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B02E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I am on Windows, but am not using the plug-in, I am using the > pop3proxy_service. which_database has troubles with the service, because the database is stored in the Windows 'application data' directory, and this is different for services and users, so it can't find it. > I deleted then reinstalled SpamBayes and re-ran > which_database.py. This time it told me it was using dbhash. > Is this the default, or is this really the best choice for my > system, given that all 4 options are available? The default is to use the best dbm; in your case this is dbhash. It's really up to you whether you use dbhash or a pickle; the help string and the FAQ have information comparing the two. (You definitely don't want to be using dumbdbm). =Tony Meyer From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Wed Oct 8 20:59:31 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Wed Oct 8 20:59:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] copying db to other computer? ; 2 ini files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <034401c38e00$99ced8c0$f502a8c0@eden> > Is there any problem in just copying the files > default_bayes_database.db (5,112 KB) > and > default_message_database.db (168 KB) > to another computer with another Outlook? This should work fine. You will obviously lose the ability to "untrain" on any messages, but the rest should work fine. > P.S.: There ARE actually 2 (TWO) configuration files > "default_bayes_customize.ini", one in the > Documents and Settings\Andreas\Application Data\SpamBayes > and another in the > Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin > > So I changed the (German) settings > replace_nonascii_chars: False > in BOTH of them, just to be shure > > In danger of repeating myself, I suggest to you to remove or > rename one or the other of those 2 files in the next distribution, > in order not to confuse people which of these 2 is the relevant. The one in your personal directory is the relevant one. The problem is that one "program" directory is used to support multiple users. The first time SpamBayes is run for a user, we copy the .INI file from the program directory to the user's directory, then use the one there. So the one in the "program" directory is really just the default for new users. If I remove this file from the distribution, I remove the ability to "auto-configure" for each new user as we do now. As we use a dumb file-copy, I can't even add a warning to the file indicating anything, as the warning will also be copied :) Another strategy is possible, but personally I don't think the problem is worth the effort of fixing :) A note in the docs would be good, I agree - please suggest where :) Mark. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 21:11:17 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 21:11:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] copying db to other computer? ; 2 ini files In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0E88@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2995@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [AndreasK] > In danger of repeating myself, I suggest to you to remove or rename > one or the other of those 2 files in the next distribution, > in order not to confuse people which of these 2 is the relevant. [Mark] > If I remove this file from the distribution, I remove the > ability to "auto-configure" for each new user as we do now. Two additional reasons :) * Users shouldn't have to do anything with those .ini files anyway; they can change all their options via the GUI in Outlook, which is much safer. If you do want to change something, then that implies an option so advanced it's not even in the advanced tab of the GUI, and you should know what you are doing anyway. * There are only two options left in that file now; all the others are now the same as the defaults for all spambayes applications. Of those, I suspect that one will eventually be exposed via the GUI (replace_nonascii_chars), and that the other may become the default for everyone (record_header_absence). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 21:43:15 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 21:43:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Install .81 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0D2C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B031@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Hey guys I have heard great things about your Spambayes > product, when attempting to install this on my machine we had > a power failure. It happened during the training portion of > the install, this left me without anything in the drop down > list and could not start anything at that point. I removed > the product and attempted to reinstall but it did not work. > The log says that it was successfully installed however there > are no icons in Outlook and I have no option to train. It's probably best to completely uninstall and start again. Uninstall in the usual way, and the also: * Delete (if it exists) the data directory folder that gets created. The FAQ has details about how to find this, but it's probably C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\Spambayes. The uninstaller doesn't remove this data. * Delete the toolbar (if it exists). Right click on any toolbar in Outlook, choose customize, and then remove the SpamBayes toolbar. Then try reinstalling; everything *should* work again. =Tony Meyer From lists at webcrunchers.com Wed Oct 8 22:42:16 2003 From: lists at webcrunchers.com (John D.) Date: Wed Oct 8 22:42:46 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: from the "Shell#" prompt you see below, I typed in this following line. Shell# python hammie.py -g '/home/test/ham' -s '/home/test/spam' -D '/home/test/db_trained2' Traceback (most recent call last): File "hammie.py", line 263, in ? import hammiebulk File "/usr/src/spambayes-1.0a6/spambayes/hammiebulk.py", line 71, in ? SPAM_THRESHOLD = options.spam_cutoff AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 'spam_cutoff' Why am I getting this? Before when II tried it last night, it worked fine. Why is it not working now, and why am I getting this error message? JOhn From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 8 23:03:06 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 8 23:03:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0EA9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B032@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "hammie.py", line 263, in ? > import hammiebulk > File "/usr/src/spambayes-1.0a6/spambayes/hammiebulk.py", > line 71, in ? > SPAM_THRESHOLD = options.spam_cutoff > AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 'spam_cutoff' This is a bug. I've checked in a fix for it just now (no idea how it was missed before) - change lines 71 and 72 of hammiebulk.py from: """ SPAM_THRESHOLD = options.spam_cutoff HAM_THRESHOLD = options.ham_cutoff """ to: """ SPAM_THRESHOLD = options["Categorization", "spam_cutoff"] HAM_THRESHOLD = options["Categorization", "ham_cutoff"] """ and that should fix it. > Before when II tried it last night, it worked fine. Why it worked then, I don't know. Presumably you were doing something slightly different (i.e. maybe there wasn't any training, or wasn't any classification to be done). =Tony Meyer From services at AndreasK.de Wed Oct 8 23:44:20 2003 From: services at AndreasK.de (AndreasK) Date: Wed Oct 8 23:44:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] copying db to other computer? ; 2 ini files In-Reply-To: <034401c38e00$99ced8c0$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: Hi! Thanks for the VERY quick answer. > > Is there any problem in just copying the files > > default_bayes_database.db (5,112 KB) > > default_message_database.db (168 KB) > > to another computer with another Outlook? > This should work fine. You will obviously lose the > ability to "untrain" on any messages, on ANY messages? Really? But if I then train with more ham/spam (after copying), those trainings can be undone, can't they? > but the rest should work fine. Very good. I am just testing it - and it seems to work. What is strange, though, is that the filesize of the default_bayes_database.db hasn't changed at all, even after more training on machine-2, it stays at 5,112 KB. > > default_bayes_customize.ini > The one in your personal directory is the relevant one. I suspected so. > The problem is that one "program" directory is used to support > multiple users. The first time SpamBayes is run for a user, > we copy the .INI file from the program directory > [...] > As we use a dumb file-copy, Here's the solution: Do a copy+rename instead of dumb-copy with this one file. call it default_bayes_customize.ini in one place and personal_bayes_customize.ini in the other. Or original_bayes_customize.ini and bayes_customize.ini > A note in the docs would be good, > I agree - please suggest where :) I don't know where, because I learnt about that option replace_nonascii_chars: False here on this mailinglist, not in the manual. > * Users shouldn't have to do anything with those .ini files > anyway; they can change all their options via the GUI in > Outlook, which is much safer. I'd agree on that, if (and only if) there were a GUI option for replace_nonascii_chars: False/True, but there is none. ;-) thanks anyway, program works fine. Andreas From dans at audifans.com Thu Oct 9 00:22:22 2003 From: dans at audifans.com (Dan Simoes) Date: Thu Oct 9 00:22:40 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline In-Reply-To: <01a401c38c83$efadb910$f502a8c0@eden> References: <01a401c38c83$efadb910$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: <3F84E27E.80006@audifans.com> I tried switching my spam folders to be within my personal folders and not on the exchange server (though that used to work). It still crashes. Error connecting to Outlook! Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1156, in OnConnection File "out1.pyz/manager", line 850, in GetManager File "out1.pyz/manager", line 378, in __init__ File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 171, in __init__ File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 237, in _GetMessageStore com_error: (-2147221219, 'OLE error 0x8004011d', None, None) ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin\r\n\r\nPlease re-start Outlook and try again.' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1156, in OnConnection File "out1.pyz/manager", line 850, in GetManager File "out1.pyz/manager", line 378, in __init__ File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 171, in __init__ File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 237, in _GetMessageStore com_error: (-2147221219, 'OLE error 0x8004011d', None, None) SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook Addin terminating: 0 COM client and 1 COM servers exist. Mark Hammond wrote: >It should work fine - I have the same configuration and always hit "work >offline". > >Can you please attach a log file for such a session (see the >"troubleshooting guide")? It may simply be that you can not watch the >folders you have configured while offline - I agree a better message could >be given, but even then I don't see how it causes Outlook itself to fail... > >Mark. > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: spambayes-bounces@python.org >>[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Simoes >>Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:57 PM >>To: spambayes@python.org >>Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline >> >> >>I looked in the archives but didn't see anything like this. >>I am running xp pro, outlook 2002, and SB 008.1 (latest). >>When I am in the office or VPNd into work and start outlook, >>no worries. >>When I am home, I often want to fire up outlook, hit "work offline" >>since there is no exchange server, and check my pop3 account >>on another >>provider. This worked fine on my previous laptop, same config. >> >>On this laptop, outlook complains it cannot load the spambayes addin, >>saying: >>"There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin, Please restart >>outlook and try again". >>Well, no amount of restarting cures this. I either have to VPN into >>work, or remove spambayes completely to get outlook working >>in offline mode. >> >>Any solutions? Thanks. Please cc me as I am not on the list (yet). >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Spambayes@python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html >> >> From services at AndreasK.de Thu Oct 9 01:10:14 2003 From: services at AndreasK.de (AndreasK) Date: Thu Oct 9 01:10:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] crashing outlook with pgp plugin In-Reply-To: <034401c38e00$99ced8c0$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: Hi! NOW I have a "real" problem: Outlook now crashes every now and then. Completely! And sometimes without any possibility of restarting! SYMPTOM: -------- After some ~30 mails (I am emptying my long-not-have-fetched Notebook-pop-account), Outlook just crashes suddenly after fetching certain mails. Sometimes I can restart Outlook, fetch the mails AGAIN (after crashing, Outlook re-fetches all mails since last start-up) - and it happens AGAIN WITH THE SAME MESSAGE! But sometimes, I can't even start Outlook again! With a restart of Outlook, it immediately crashes again, again and again. Outlook's a Zombie then. Dead. Unusable. ...Until I UNINSTALL the SpamBayes Outlook plugin. Then it works fine again (without SpamBayes functionality), but even after reinstalling the SpamBayes Outlook plugin, everything's fine again then. Until the next bad message makes it crash again. Hmpf. Grmpf. So I have to uninstall the Outlook plugin again. Goto SYMPTOM: ;-) -------- The error is sth like "Outlook.exe - Application Error" The instruction at "0x33010542" referenced memory at "0x20217369". The memory could not be "written". Click OK to terminate the program. Click on Cancel to debug the program. In the debugger, there is another error alert window: Unbehandelte Ausnahme in OUTLOOK.EXE (PGPEXCH.DLL): 0xC0000005: Access Violation and the cursor is on 33010542 mov dword ptr [ecx+4],edi The library PGPEXCH.DLL is part of the PGPi.org (v7) enc/decryption suite with Outlook integration and never made any hassle before now. Never. The version is 7.0.3.0 build 222 (7.0.3 Hotfix 1) So somehow SpamByes Outlook Plugin is interfering with PGPi.org Outlook Plugin of Network Associates. hmmmm.... In the Outlook Plugin Panel "Advanced" I have already increased the "Processing start delay" to 3.0s and the "Delay between" to 2.0 seconds. Moreover I have increased the Diagnostics Log File verbosity from 0 to 1, in the hope that we can find out what's going on. What is a good verbosity? More than 1? Andreas From lists at webcrunchers.com Thu Oct 9 02:33:41 2003 From: lists at webcrunchers.com (John D.) Date: Thu Oct 9 02:33:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Still cannot use hammie.py Message-ID: Hi, After making the suggested change and bug fix in "hammiebulk.py" I tried it again, but it still isn't working. Shell# python hammie.py -g '/home/test/ham' -s '/home/test/spam' -D '/home/test/db_trained2' Positional arguments not allowed Usage: hammie.py [-D|-d] [options] Where: -h show usage and exit -d Why am I getting this???? And why did it work the first time?? When I did it the first time, I specified the filename of 'db_trained' When I tried it the 2nd time, I specified a new Pickled filename called 'db_trained2' then I got this error. I did make the change suggested by Tony Meyer.... but there must me something ELSE I'm doing wrong.... What is a 'Positional argument'? John From subram at sstil.com Thu Oct 9 05:09:11 2003 From: subram at sstil.com (Subramonian) Date: Thu Oct 9 05:08:53 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter Message-ID: <003201c38e45$0270a450$7901a8c0@garlic> Hi I have developed SMTP Mail server to receive mails and another module to Parse the mail and the store the contents In the Database.(in C language). Now I wand to Filter the spam Mails, before putting the mails to the Database.I also came to understand that Bayesian filters are the best choice to do this.I am interested to develop the same in C lanlguage. Shall I get any Documentation or sample code for the same. Thanks in Advance. Regards K.S.Subramonian From Doug.Potter at hds.com Thu Oct 9 08:00:56 2003 From: Doug.Potter at hds.com (Douglas Potter) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:01:40 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Download of Spambayes Message-ID: <7AF8FA7F9342D840B920BE8F98023C2565AA28@usdalem02.hds.com> I have been trying to download your software to try and I keep getting directed to a site to select a mirror. Even if I choose a site, I can not download the software. Do you know what is wrong? Doug From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 8 23:01:56 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Thu Oct 9 08:40:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] exception in mail In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C624@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395C624@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <16260.53156.195252.883123@montanaro.dyndns.org> >> Would my old spambayes.messageinfo.db be of any use? Tony> Probably not, but thanks for the offer. Actually, it might be interesting to see if db_recover *can* fix the database. Skip From steveng at pop.jaring.my Thu Oct 9 11:28:42 2003 From: steveng at pop.jaring.my (Stephen Ng) Date: Thu Oct 9 11:29:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Default browser Message-ID: <1065713322.8853.6.camel@nutek-1> Hi! Is there a config that allows me to set which browser is started whenever I start pop3proxy.py? The reason I am asking is that even though I have designated another browser as my default in RedHat9, pop3proxy always seems to use Mozilla. I am pretty confident the default setting has been changed because other applications like Ximian mail will start the right browser whenever I click on a link. Thanks. Stephen Ng From spambayes at tobias-net.de Thu Oct 9 12:32:00 2003 From: spambayes at tobias-net.de (Andreas Tobias) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:29:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] ExpatError/500 Server Error (imapfilter) Message-ID: <000b01c38e82$dd7411d0$7a0206c0@tobias> i'm using python 2.3.2 and spambayes 1.0a6 (also tried with 1.0a5) after i configered my imap server over the web interface i get the well-known NameError/Server Error 500 when trying to configure the filterfolders or the trainingfolders. ok - so far, so good. but after i restart the imapfilter and again trying to access the folder configuration i get this error: 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ImapUI.py", line 225, in onTrainingfolders folderBox = self._buildFolderBox("imap", opt, available_folders) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\ImapUI.py", line 271, in _buildFolderBox folderRow.folderName = folder File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\PyMeldLite.py", line 738, in __setattr__ self._replaceNodeContent(node, value) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\PyMeldLite.py", line 654, in _replaceNodeContent node.children = self._nodeListFromSource(value) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\PyMeldLite.py", line 640, in _nodeListFromSource tree = _generateTree(""+value+"") File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\PyMeldLite.py", line 574, in _generateTree g.feed(source) File "C:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\PyMeldLite.py", line 499, in feed self._parser.Parse(data) ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column 21hope somebody can help me... From info at twestc.com Thu Oct 9 12:31:02 2003 From: info at twestc.com (Nelleke) Date: Thu Oct 9 12:34:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes toolbar problems Message-ID: A few days ago I have had Windows 2000 reinstalled and also upgraded to Office XP, instead of Office 2000. I was running Spambayes on the old configuration and it worked fine. I had to reinstall Spambayes as the original version didn't seem to work anymore and downloaded it from your website (Belgium mirror). I have 2(!) Spambayes toolbars on the toolbar menu. When I activate the one, the toolbar appears but it doesn't work. If I activate the other one nothing shows at all! I have uninstalled and reinstalled Spambayes 3 times allready, but nothing changes. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, regards Nelleke TWESTC (Antwerp, Belgium) From caroli at visual-design.com Thu Oct 9 13:05:46 2003 From: caroli at visual-design.com (Christian Caroli) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:07:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sound Message-ID: Hello everyone! I have a proposal for a new function: My outlook always plays a sound when new mails do arrive - also when new spam comes in. Since 90% of my mails are spam, this is really nerving. If spambayes could give out a sound when no-spam-mails arrive, then I could switch off the the standard-sound of outlook and only Spambayes reports "good" mails. Then we again have a true accustical message, when important mail arrive and are not irritated by spam. (Hope, you understand...) I hope, I used the correct eMail-Adress - please accept my apologize, if I did not. Best regards Christian Caroli From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Thu Oct 9 13:33:25 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Thu Oct 9 13:33:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6332CB@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> Good afternoon. After having used SpamBayes as Outlook-Plugin for almost half a year (and yeah: It rocks ;-) I registered with some high-traffic mailing lists. Due to the high traffic, I wanted to move these mails to another folder within my Inbox. The rule for the routing is indeed not the problem. Unfortunately, many of these mails by these lists LOOK LIKE spam for sb, but they're not. I do not accuse spambayes to be too dumb to distinguish real spam and mailinglists. It is certainly an question of training and ... endurance. It's rather the fact SpamBayes filters earlier than outlook is able to move the files away from the Inbox. If Outlook was able to handle more complicated rules (with negations for example) I would create a Inboxfolder for temporary stuff, moving it to the Inbox that SpamBayes watches by a rule like the following: "If the mail is not one of that mailing list, then move to Inbox". The rule "If the mail is one of that hughe list, move it to the ListContainer". I am aware of the fact that spam sent by this mailinglist would not be filtered anymore. Another possibility would be to extend these rules to look at OTHER Folders than the Inbox one like the "Spam" and the "Possible Spam" one. Unfortunately, once more, Outlook is ... let's say simple-minded. Is there a way to delay the sb-filter-process ? Is this what the "Background Scanning" in the "Advanced" tab means ? I wasn't able to find anything about that feature. Manuel From cdellario at whatif-productions.com Thu Oct 9 15:42:28 2003 From: cdellario at whatif-productions.com (Chris Dellario) Date: Thu Oct 9 15:37:07 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes Message-ID: <113EE4C6211B1D41A34E54A089F4795C0AFC5C@mailbox.whatif-productions.com> I paid for a nifty Outlook custom action plugin that not only marks an email as "Read" but also does not cause the display of the envelope icon on my taskbar. Unfortunately, I can't figure out how to use this plugin with Spambayes. I used POPFile in the past, and was able to set an Outlook rule to find a custom header line added by POPFile, but it doesn't look like Spambayes adds anything to the header. Does it? I wish I could set a rule that would always run AutoRead on any message in my "Spam" and "Possible Spam" folders, but Outlook won't let me. ------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Dellario Lead Engineer Whatif Productions LLC http://www.whatif.info (617) 977-0115 From rmalayter at bai.org Thu Oct 9 16:11:11 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Thu Oct 9 16:11:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111532C@cliff.bai.org> From: Dejonghe, Manuel [mailto:Manuel.Dejonghe@cycos.com] > Is there a way to delay the sb-filter-process ? This has been an option in the INI file since (at least) version 0.7 of the SpamBayes plug-in, and is now configurable in the GUI of v0.81. > Is this what the "Background Scanning" in the "Advanced" tab means ? Yes, looks like you found it! > I wasn't able to find anything about that feature. It's been documented on this mailing list, and in the INI files themselves as comments. Not sure about anywhere else. Regards, Ryan From dburgin at finali.com Thu Oct 9 17:50:52 2003 From: dburgin at finali.com (Dan Burgin) Date: Thu Oct 9 17:58:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: We use Exchange Server on our coporate network. As such, I can login on multiple machines to my network instance via any number of machines on our network and administer my exact same mail/calender/etc. account. My question is, given this setup, can I install a copy of SpamBayes on a desktop machine which runs Outlook Client (and SpamBayes) 24/7, yet still run my laptop (on the LAN, or via VPN) with a seperate copy of SpamBayes (allowing me to "train" emails that mis-filter) without messing up my original instance of SpamBayes on the desktop machine? Thanks, Dan From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:08:03 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:08:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes toolbar problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F8B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B037@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I had to reinstall Spambayes as the original version didn't > seem to work anymore and downloaded it from your website > (Belgium mirror). I have 2(!) Spambayes toolbars on the > toolbar menu. When I activate the one, the toolbar appears > but it doesn't work. If I activate the other one nothing shows at all! Have you tried the steps in the troubleshooting guide (in particular the toolbar steps)? You can get to an online version of the guide via , or use the copy in the folder that spambayes was installed into. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:06:15 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:10:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Default browser In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F87@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B036@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is there a config that allows me to set which browser is > started whenever I start pop3proxy.py? >From the Python docs: """ Under Unix, graphical browsers are preferred under X11, but text-mode browsers will be used if graphical browsers are not available or an X11 display isn't available. If text-mode browsers are used, the calling process will block until the user exits the browser. Under Unix, if the environment variable BROWSER exists, it is interpreted to override the platform default list of browsers, as a colon-separated list of browsers to try in order. When the value of a list part contains the string %s, then it is interpreted as a literal browser command line to be used with the argument URL substituted for the %s; if the part does not contain %s, it is simply interpreted as the name of the browser to launch. """ > The reason I am asking > is that even though I have designated another browser as my > default in RedHat9, pop3proxy always seems to use Mozilla. I > am pretty confident the default setting has been changed > because other applications like Ximian mail will start the > right browser whenever I click on a link. If this doesn't work (and no-one else chimes in with anything), then you could try asking python-list@python.org why this doesn't work for you with this code: >>> import webbrowser >>> webbrowser.open("http://localhost:8880") (This is basically what pop3proxy is doing). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:11:47 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:12:09 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Filter In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F54@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B038@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have developed SMTP Mail server to receive mails and > another module to Parse the mail and the store the contents > In the Database.(in C language). Now I wand to Filter the > spam Mails, before putting the mails to the Database.I also > came to understand that Bayesian filters are the best choice > to do this.I am interested to develop the same in C lanlguage. Spambayes is written in Python, not in C. If you understand Python, then you could probably port the relevant code to C (although why you would want to is another question). You can also call the Python code from C (the Python documentation has information about doing this), but again, it's dubious that you would want to do this. You could also run spambayes as a separate process (using sb_xmlrpcserver.py, probably), and have your C program communicate with it. You might be better off finding a Bayesian filter coded in C that you can use. There are links to other Bayesian spam filters from our website: =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:13:40 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:13:47 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Download of Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F7E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B039@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been trying to download your software to try and I > keep getting directed to a site to select a mirror. This is how downloads from sourceforge work. > Even if I choose a site, I can not download the software. > Do you know what is wrong? What do you mean by "can not download"? Do you get a 404 (page not found)? Does nothing happen? (If so, have you tried clicking the "if nothing happens click this" link?) Does it download, but not validly? Have you tried more than one of the mirrors? Have you tried downloading anything else from sourceforge? Have you tried waiting for a few hours and trying again, in case it's just some temporary sourceforge/Internet glitch? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:15:23 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:15:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0EF6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B03A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Well - the first time it worked, but no other time after that. Exactly what happened the next time? (i.e. what was the traceback). > I'll try the fix... are there anymore bugs I should know about? This is the only hammiefilter/hammie/sb_filter bug that has been reported since the 1.0a6 release, so not as far as we know. This is alpha software, though, so the answer is "yes" . =Tony Meyer From petersta at melbpc.org.au Thu Oct 9 18:15:42 2003 From: petersta at melbpc.org.au (L. Peter Stacey) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:17:05 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Not able to install Setup-0081 Message-ID: I have been trying to install SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe but keep getting an error message that this file is not a valid WIN32 application. Have I got the wrong file? For windows 98SE? A problem I have with the current Spambayes version is that when I try to use the Spambayes toolbar options (Recover from or Delete as) I am not able to do this and an error box comes up with "... You must enable SpamBayes ...." But when it is operational such as when filtering or training that function is the only one that is able to be done at the time. I can't even click on another file to check it while SpamBayes is running. A pity because otherwise I am very happy with the program. Any help will be appreciated. Cheers Peter. ******************************** ,-._|\ L. Peter Stacey / Oz \ Melbourne Australia \_,--.x/ petersta@melbpc.org.au v From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:20:51 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:20:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Still cannot use hammie.py In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F0B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F2999@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Shell# python hammie.py -g '/home/test/ham' -s > '/home/test/spam' -D '/home/test/db_trained2' Positional > arguments not allowed The -D switch doesn't take an argument. You want to pass the database filename via the -p switch. So something like "python hammie.py -g '/home/test/ham' -s '/home/test/spam' -D -p '/home/test/db_trained2'". (We know that the use of the various command line tools should be more consistent, and the docstrings could be clearer. This will be fixed up at some point; you can open a bug report for it if you like). > What is a 'Positional argument'? Here it's meaning an argument standing by itself, i.e. without a corresponding switch. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:27:17 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:27:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F94@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I paid for a nifty Outlook custom action plugin that not only > marks an email as "Read" but also does not cause the display > of the envelope icon on my taskbar. Unfortunately, I can't > figure out how to use this plugin with Spambayes. I used > POPFile in the past, and was able to set an Outlook rule to > find a custom header line added by POPFile, but it doesn't > look like Spambayes adds anything to the header. Does it? The plug-in doesn't, no. If you receive you mail via POP3/IMAP, then you could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter, which do add headers. However I don't know how well using them *with* the Outlook plug-in would work (in theory you could use them to just add the headers and still use the Outlook plug-in for all the actual classification (they could share the database so that the headers could match), but I don't know anyone that has actually tried this. You could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter *instead* of the Outlook plug-in, but you lose the nice integration with Outlook. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:31:42 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:31:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook sound In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F8F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B03E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > My outlook always plays a sound when new mails do arrive - > also when new spam comes in. Since 90% of my mails are spam, > this is really nerving. If spambayes could give out a sound > when no-spam-mails arrive, then I could switch off the the > standard-sound of outlook and only Spambayes reports "good" > mails. Then we again have a true accustical message, when > important mail arrive and are not irritated by spam. (Hope, > you understand...) I've added this to [ 774978 ] Hide envelope icon when only spam received, since it's essentially the same thing. It *might* get added at some point :) In any case, you can monitor that tracker if you want to keep track of progress on the idea. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 18:38:10 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 18:38:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Tricks of Spammer In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F21@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > If in a mail are "random words" the Spam percent calculation > would be falsified. All "random words" are always new and > untrained. The list of words became bigger and bigger witout > any real information. So my idear is take only "no Radom > words" for the calculation. This is the case at the moment. If a word hasn't appeared before (it is "new and untrained"), then it will score 0.5. If *any* word scores 0.5 (or anywhere between 0.4 and 0.6), then it is not included in the calculation (of the message score). > This "real words" could we > compare with the spelling lists of word or any else. This > could also a be a magic number for the spam percent > calculation. How many random Words and real Words are in this email. Generating a "percentage of hapax legomena in message" token is an interesting idea. I'll add it to the NEWTRICKS.txt file, which lists ideas to try out at some time. (A hapax legomenon is a word or form occurring only once in a document or corpus; the plural is hapax legomena). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 19:04:25 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:04:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] ExpatError/500 Server Error (imapfilter) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F89@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > after i restart > the imapfilter and again trying to access the folder > configuration i get this error: [...] > ExpatError: not well-formed (invalid token): line 1, column > 21hope somebody can help me... This is a *bad* thing; it means something is wrong with ui_html.py or ui.html. I can't duplicate this, though, so I don't know whether it's a bug in 1.0a6, or something wrong with the files you have. Could you give a set of steps that produce this error? (Like whether you have server details entered or not). You could try replacing ui_html.py with a fresh copy (from a 1.0a6 archive), too. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 19:09:07 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:09:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes toolbar problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C10C3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is it correct that the Troubleshooting Guide is not working? > I get the following message: > > Proxy Error > The proxy server received an invalid response from an > upstream server. The proxy server could not handle the > request GET > /viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/docs/tr > oubleshoot > ing.html. > > Reason: Error reading from remote server I get this too. Presumably this is some temporary problem with sourceforge that will sort itself out shortly (they are doing a lot of maintenance on the cvs servers at the moment, so that's the likely reason). You should definitely have a local copy, though, which you could refer to. =Tony Meyer From rclilly at cox.net Thu Oct 9 19:09:31 2003 From: rclilly at cox.net (Robert Lilly) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:09:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: > On Behalf Of Tony Meyer > To: 'Chris Dellario'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes > > > I used > > POPFile in the past, and was able to set an Outlook rule to > > find a custom header line added by POPFile, but it doesn't > > look like Spambayes adds anything to the header. Does it? > > The plug-in doesn't, no. If you receive you mail via POP3/IMAP, then you > could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter, which do add headers. However I don't > know how well using them *with* the Outlook plug-in would work (in theory > you could use them to just add the headers and still use the > Outlook plug-in > for all the actual classification (they could share the database > so that the > headers could match), but I don't know anyone that has actually > tried this. > You could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter *instead* of the Outlook > plug-in, but > you lose the nice integration with Outlook. > > =Tony Meyer Tony, FYI, I am using both the proxy service AND the add-in and it appears to be working great. Robert Lilly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 2003.10.06 From rmalayter at bai.org Thu Oct 9 19:19:57 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Thu Oct 9 19:20:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111532F@cliff.bai.org> Yes, it can be done... Everything SpamBayes uses is stored by default in the "Application Data" section of the user profile on each individual machine. Stuff in the Application Data folder here gets copied to servers with the rest of the user profile so it can follow the user around the network. If you use the SpamBayes INI file settings to move your DB to the "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data" area of the user profile, you will get a different SpamBayes DB on each machine, and you won't have to worry about them overwriting one another. Files in this "Local Settings" section of the user profile do not roam to the network like the rest of the user profile in a Windows domain. Regards, Ryan -----Original Message----- From: Dan Burgin [mailto:dburgin@finali.com] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 4:51 PM To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network We use Exchange Server on our coporate network. As such, I can login on multiple machines to my network instance via any number of machines on our network and administer my exact same mail/calender/etc. account. My question is, given this setup, can I install a copy of SpamBayes on a desktop machine which runs Outlook Client (and SpamBayes) 24/7, yet still run my laptop (on the LAN, or via VPN) with a seperate copy of SpamBayes (allowing me to "train" emails that mis-filter) without messing up my original instance of SpamBayes on the desktop machine? Thanks, Dan From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 9 20:36:08 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:36:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111532F@cliff.bai.org> Message-ID: <023201c38ec6$7ff7c940$f502a8c0@eden> [Dan] > Yes, it can be done... Everything SpamBayes uses is stored by > default in > the "Application Data" section of the user profile on each individual > machine. Stuff in the Application Data folder here gets copied to > servers with the rest of the user profile so it can follow the user > around the network. > > If you use the SpamBayes INI file settings to move your DB to the > "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data" > area of the user profile, you will get a different SpamBayes > DB on each > machine, and you won't have to worry about them overwriting > one another. > Files in this "Local Settings" section of the user profile do not roam > to the network like the rest of the user profile in a Windows domain. Everything you say is correct, but it may not solve the problem. Specifically: > > given this setup, can I install a copy of SpamBayes on a desktop > > machine which runs Outlook Client (and SpamBayes) 24/7, yet still > > run my laptop (on the LAN, or via VPN) with a seperate copy of > > SpamBayes (allowing me to "train" emails that mis-filter) without > > messing up my original instance of SpamBayes on the desktop machine? If I understand it, the desktop is *always* running Outlook, even while the remote machine is. This is likely to be a problem: * If you stick with the default settings, the second version of Outlook running will be unlikely to be able to open the database for writing - therefore, training can not be done by the second instance. * If you change the data directory, then both instances will be able to train - but will have completely different databases. Training done on the remote machine will not be reflected back to the main machine's training database. Neither of these really seem suitable. I believe we could change things to make this work, and indeed, it may fall out of our investigations of the strange DB errors we are seeing - but at this point, we would need some help to make it happen in the short term. Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2648 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031010/e85ab7d6/winmail-0001.bin From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 9 20:42:41 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:47:28 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111532C@cliff.bai.org> Message-ID: <023d01c38ec7$69c6d3e0$f502a8c0@eden> > > Is this what the "Background Scanning" in the "Advanced" > tab means ? > > Yes, looks like you found it! > > > I wasn't able to find anything about that feature. > > It's been documented on this mailing list, and in the INI files > themselves as comments. Not sure about anywhere else. It is subtle, but the "tool tips" on all these dialogs work - click on the "?" at the top of the dialog, then on any item in the dialog to see what the option does. I wonder if we should add this information to the main dialog page - something like "For information on any option, click on the '?' button, then on the option"? Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1848 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031010/18f69319/winmail.bin From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 9 20:45:01 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:51:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] copying db to other computer? ; 2 ini files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <024101c38ec7$bdaddcb0$f502a8c0@eden> > on ANY messages? Really? > > But if I then train with more ham/spam (after copying), > those trainings can be undone, can't they? They can, yes. > > > but the rest should work fine. > Very good. I am just testing it - and it seems to work. > > > What is strange, though, is that the filesize of the > default_bayes_database.db hasn't changed at all, > even after more training on machine-2, it stays at 5,112 KB. This is a database of all the "words" in your mail. It is likely that your additional training is finding few new words (as they already existed) > Here's the solution: > > Do a copy+rename instead of dumb-copy with this one file. > call it default_bayes_customize.ini in one place > and personal_bayes_customize.ini in the other. > Or original_bayes_customize.ini and bayes_customize.ini Yeah, fair enough. Please open a bug at sourceforge and assign it to me. Mark. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 9 20:52:01 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:53:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] crashing outlook with pgp plugin In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <024701c38ec8$b7bd5d70$f502a8c0@eden> I have had identical problems with the PGP plugin. I rarely use it now, but when I did, I found it necessary to disable it immediately after use, else it would crash as certain mails came in. I found I could always restart it by starting "outlook /safe", then deleting the offending mail, then restarting. This was all happening before and during SpamBayes. I never saw anything that implied SpamBayes was involved in any way. However, I also never had to uninstall SpamBayes to make things work again. (Note that instead of uninstalling/reinstalling, you can use "regsvr32 spambayes_addin.dll" or "regsvr32 /u spambayes_addin.dll") > The error is sth like > > "Outlook.exe - Application Error" > The instruction at "0x33010542" referenced memory at "0x20217369". > The memory could not be "written". > Click OK to terminate the program. > Click on Cancel to debug the program. > > In the debugger, there is another error alert window: > Unbehandelte Ausnahme in OUTLOOK.EXE (PGPEXCH.DLL): > 0xC0000005: Access Violation These were the same errors I saw - always in the PGP extension. > Moreover I have increased the Diagnostics Log File verbosity > from 0 to 1, in the hope that we can find out what's going on. > What is a good verbosity? More than 1? 3 is about the highest we support at the moment. Mark. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Thu Oct 9 20:56:25 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Thu Oct 9 20:56:08 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline In-Reply-To: <3F84E27E.80006@audifans.com> Message-ID: <024801c38ec9$54930dc0$f502a8c0@eden> Yes, this is a bug, that I hope to fix with a change I just made. The problem is that we support this mode when all but the "default" message store is in "offline" mode. For example, if you have personal folders + an Exchange Server, the "default" store is generally the .pst, and never offline. We work correctly if the "Exchange" store is offline. However, if you default store is offline, then we fail. The actual reason for the failure is basically old code from old versions that is no longer necessary. Mark. > > I tried switching my spam folders to be within my personal > folders and > not on the exchange server (though that used to work). It > still crashes. > > Error connecting to Outlook! > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1156, in OnConnection > File "out1.pyz/manager", line 850, in GetManager > File "out1.pyz/manager", line 378, in __init__ > File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 171, in __init__ > File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 237, in _GetMessageStore > com_error: (-2147221219, 'OLE error 0x8004011d', None, None) > ERROR: 'There was an error initializing the SpamBayes > addin\r\n\r\nPlease re-start Outlook and try again.' > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "out1.pyz/addin", line 1156, in OnConnection > File "out1.pyz/manager", line 850, in GetManager > File "out1.pyz/manager", line 378, in __init__ > File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 171, in __init__ > File "out1.pyz/msgstore", line 237, in _GetMessageStore > com_error: (-2147221219, 'OLE error 0x8004011d', None, None) > SpamBayes - Disconnecting from Outlook > Addin terminating: 0 COM client and 1 COM servers exist. > > > > Mark Hammond wrote: > > >It should work fine - I have the same configuration and > always hit "work > >offline". > > > >Can you please attach a log file for such a session (see the > >"troubleshooting guide")? It may simply be that you can not > watch the > >folders you have configured while offline - I agree a better > message could > >be given, but even then I don't see how it causes Outlook > itself to fail... > > > >Mark. > > > > > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > >>[mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Dan Simoes > >>Sent: Tuesday, 7 October 2003 12:57 PM > >>To: spambayes@python.org > >>Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes outlook addin crashes offline > >> > >> > >>I looked in the archives but didn't see anything like this. > >>I am running xp pro, outlook 2002, and SB 008.1 (latest). > >>When I am in the office or VPNd into work and start outlook, > >>no worries. > >>When I am home, I often want to fire up outlook, hit "work offline" > >>since there is no exchange server, and check my pop3 account > >>on another > >>provider. This worked fine on my previous laptop, same config. > >> > >>On this laptop, outlook complains it cannot load the > spambayes addin, > >>saying: > >>"There was an error initializing the SpamBayes addin, Please restart > >>outlook and try again". > >>Well, no amount of restarting cures this. I either have to VPN into > >>work, or remove spambayes completely to get outlook working > >>in offline mode. > >> > >>Any solutions? Thanks. Please cc me as I am not on the > list (yet). > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Spambayes@python.org > >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > >>Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From tim.one at comcast.net Thu Oct 9 21:06:45 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Thu Oct 9 21:06:58 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules In-Reply-To: <023d01c38ec7$69c6d3e0$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: [Mark Hammond] > It is subtle, but the "tool tips" on all these dialogs work - click > on the "?" at the top of the dialog, then on any item in the dialog > to see what the option does. Ain't no "?" here (OL2K, CVS spambayes, Win98SE). > I wonder if we should add this information to the main dialog page > - something like "For information on any option, click on the '?' > button, then on the option"? I'd wait until the question mark exists first . Maybe relevant: whenever I start Outlook, FAILED to add the toolbar item 'SpamBayesCommand.Manager' - (-2147352567, 'Exception occurred.', (0, None, 'Member not found.', None, 0, -2147467259), None) Deleted the dead popup control - re-creating -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1032 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031009/91ab67ab/winmail.bin From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 21:57:21 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 21:57:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Install .81 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C0F8C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B047@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I went to extreme's on this one I cleaned out the registry as > dangerous as that is, ensured there were no files ("spam", > "python") related, uninstalled Office XP reinstalled and I > still cant get it to install. I guess I could flatten the > box? But I don't really want to do that. What exactly happens when you try and install? Does it all appear to work and you just don't get anything appear, or does an error occur during the install process? Have you checked that the plug-in isn't disabled? (you see disabled items via the "About Outlook" link in the "Help" menu). =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Thu Oct 9 22:10:35 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Thu Oct 9 22:10:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and direct help with Netscape integration Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130395CCD3@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I was certainly in the right directory. When I typed 'dir' > return in that directory I could see the file 'setup.py' > but whether I added the word install with or without a > space between made no difference. > Python is installed in C:\python23. In dos mode when > I typed 'C:\python 23\python.exe setup.py install' the > computer returned the message 'cannot open setup.py' This is very strange (I had hoped that someone else would have an idea, but no-one's spoken up yet). If you leave the "install" bit out (i.e. "C:\python23\python.exe setup.py" without the quotes) do you get a message saying "error: no commands supplied", or still the "python: cannot open setup.py"? You could try "C:\python23\python.exe .\setup.py install" in case python isn't searching the current directory for some reason. If you run "type setup.py" do you get the contents of setup.py printed to the screen? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 22:12:11 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 22:12:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Not able to install Setup-0081 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C109E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B04F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been trying to install > SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-0081.exe but keep getting an error > message that this file is not a valid WIN32 application. Have > I got the wrong file? For windows 98SE? That sounds like maybe the download didn't complete properly; you should probably try downloading the installer again. > A problem I have with the current Spambayes version is that > when I try to use the Spambayes toolbar options (Recover from > or Delete as) I am not able to do this and an error box comes > up with "... You must enable SpamBayes ...." Have you gone through the various steps in the FAQ (link at the bottom of this email) to enable spambayes? =Tony Meyer From ram at mastr.net Thu Oct 9 22:15:55 2003 From: ram at mastr.net (Ralph Mastrangelo) Date: Thu Oct 9 22:15:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: unsubscribe spamblows address=ram@mastr.net From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 9 22:20:12 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 9 22:20:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C1139@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B050@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > unsubscribe spamblows address=ram@mastr.net > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes If this is an attempt to unsubscribe from this mailing list, you would be better off clicking at the link at the bottom of every message (as above). If your mail client lets you view all the headers in a message, you could also look at the list-unsubscribe information in there. =Tony Meyer From jebebara at cox.net Thu Oct 9 22:35:00 2003 From: jebebara at cox.net (Mark Abbott) Date: Thu Oct 9 22:35:07 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to register spambayes_addin.dll Message-ID: When I try to install SpamBayes I get an error that says it could not register "SpamBayes_Addin.dll". I read the post on the forum in which someone had the same problem. I tried copying the dll file to the Outlook addin directory like he did but it still does not work. The spambayes.log file is empty. If you can help me please email jebebara@cox.net. Thank you, Mark From cdellario at whatif-productions.com Thu Oct 9 23:17:20 2003 From: cdellario at whatif-productions.com (Chris Dellario) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:11:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes Message-ID: <113EE4C6211B1D41A34E54A089F4795C0AFC5F@mailbox.whatif-productions.com> Tony, Thanks for the info. I know that you've added a feature request for disabling the email icon in Outlook if the message received is classified as spam (thanks for that), but in the meantime, could you add a custom line to the mail header when the message is classified as spam? Simply adding an "X-Text-Classification=spam" and "X-Text-Classification=possible_spam" would do the trick and allow my AutoRead custom action to work properly. Be well, Chris ------------------------------------------------------------ Chris Dellario Lead Engineer Whatif Productions LLC http://www.whatif.info (617) 977-0115 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:27 PM To: Chris Dellario; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes > I paid for a nifty Outlook custom action plugin that not only > marks an email as "Read" but also does not cause the display > of the envelope icon on my taskbar. Unfortunately, I can't > figure out how to use this plugin with Spambayes. I used > POPFile in the past, and was able to set an Outlook rule to > find a custom header line added by POPFile, but it doesn't > look like Spambayes adds anything to the header. Does it? The plug-in doesn't, no. If you receive you mail via POP3/IMAP, then you could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter, which do add headers. However I don't know how well using them *with* the Outlook plug-in would work (in theory you could use them to just add the headers and still use the Outlook plug-in for all the actual classification (they could share the database so that the headers could match), but I don't know anyone that has actually tried this. You could use sb_server/sb_imapfilter *instead* of the Outlook plug-in, but you lose the nice integration with Outlook. =Tony Meyer From dburgin at finali.com Thu Oct 9 23:35:17 2003 From: dburgin at finali.com (Dan Burgin) Date: Thu Oct 9 23:43:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: Right, the desktop runs Outlook with SpamBayes continuously, while the laptop comes and goes - meaning that at times both machines would be running Outlook with SpamBayes. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 6:36 PM To: 'Ryan Malayter'; Dan Burgin; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network [Dan] > Yes, it can be done... Everything SpamBayes uses is stored by > default in > the "Application Data" section of the user profile on each individual > machine. Stuff in the Application Data folder here gets copied to > servers with the rest of the user profile so it can follow the user > around the network. > > If you use the SpamBayes INI file settings to move your DB to the > "C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application Data" > area of the user profile, you will get a different SpamBayes > DB on each > machine, and you won't have to worry about them overwriting > one another. > Files in this "Local Settings" section of the user profile do not roam > to the network like the rest of the user profile in a Windows domain. Everything you say is correct, but it may not solve the problem. Specifically: > > given this setup, can I install a copy of SpamBayes on a desktop > > machine which runs Outlook Client (and SpamBayes) 24/7, yet still > > run my laptop (on the LAN, or via VPN) with a seperate copy of > > SpamBayes (allowing me to "train" emails that mis-filter) without > > messing up my original instance of SpamBayes on the desktop machine? If I understand it, the desktop is *always* running Outlook, even while the remote machine is. This is likely to be a problem: * If you stick with the default settings, the second version of Outlook running will be unlikely to be able to open the database for writing - therefore, training can not be done by the second instance. * If you change the data directory, then both instances will be able to train - but will have completely different databases. Training done on the remote machine will not be reflected back to the main machine's training database. Neither of these really seem suitable. I believe we could change things to make this work, and indeed, it may fall out of our investigations of the strange DB errors we are seeing - but at this point, we would need some help to make it happen in the short term. Mark. From rossman at xtra.co.nz Fri Oct 10 01:15:06 2003 From: rossman at xtra.co.nz (Mark I. Ross) Date: Fri Oct 10 01:15:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-User Setup on WinXP Pro In-Reply-To: <000301c38940$7fdda410$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: <004801c38eed$77d336b0$020b0a0a@winxpmark> G'day, How should I proceed in regards to this issue? I sent Mr. Hammond the log files mentioned but have heard no response. Did I not follow the correct process? Thanks for your time, mark -----Original Message----- From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hammond Sent: Friday, 3 October 2003 11:54 a.m. To: rossman@therossman.org; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Multi-User Setup on WinXP Pro > Outlook. Now if I select the SpamBayes Manager... option, I get the > dialog box with the "Configuration Wizard" button, but if I click > that, nothing happens. I suspect that your log file will have something interesting in this case. > I have tried to re-install under her account with no resolution (I > tried installing to a separate folder under "Program Files" as well) > > Is this a supported configuration? Does anyone have any suggestions > about how I could fix this. This is supported, but obviously not working for you :) It is almost certain the log will contain everything I need to know. Mark. _______________________________________________ Spambayes@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From spambayes at tobias-net.de Fri Oct 10 06:58:58 2003 From: spambayes at tobias-net.de (Andreas Tobias) Date: Fri Oct 10 06:56:44 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] ExpatError/500 Server Error (imapfilter) References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F299C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <00a001c38f1d$824ddbb0$7a0206c0@tobias> >This is a *bad* thing; it means something is wrong with ui_html.py or >ui.html. I can't duplicate this, though, so I don't know whether it's a bug >in 1.0a6, or something wrong with the files you have. > >Could you give a set of steps that produce this error? (Like whether you >have server details entered or not). You could try replacing ui_html.py >with a fresh copy (from a 1.0a6 archive), too. >=Tony Meyer ok. After succesfull installation of python and spambayes I started the imapfilter plugin from a dos prompt with the command "sb_imapfilter.py -b". At "localhost:8880" I just configured my IMAP server, username and password - nothing else! When I tried to configure the folders I got the well-known "NameError", so I closed imapfilter with "save & shutdown" on the webinterface and restarted it again from c:\python32\scripts with "sb_imapfilter.py -b". Then I tried to configure the folders again, but I got the "ExpatError". I also replaced ui_html.py with a fresh one from the archive, but it didn't help. Am I doing something wrong? - I think so, because it's all the same with my computer at home or with the older version 1.0a5. I even tried another mailserver (imap.web.de) - with the same result. So, where is the failure? Thanks for your efforts. -- Andreas From crzepski at absurgery.org Fri Oct 10 09:13:26 2003 From: crzepski at absurgery.org (Chris Rzepski) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:13:30 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Question About SpamBayes Message-ID: <8FAEADE52B612947AE2B544F2115B087110239@mixmaster.absurgery.org> Is there any way I can specify the directory where data files can be stored for the Outlook plugin? It currently stores it in C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAMEi\Application Data\SpamBayes and I would like to perhaps move it to the users' home directories on the network. I didn't com across anything in the FAQ that says one way or another. Thanks for you help, and by the way this is a great program. From rmalayter at bai.org Fri Oct 10 09:42:10 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:42:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115331@cliff.bai.org> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2003 7:36 PM To: Ryan Malayter; 'Dan Burgin'; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network > Everything you say is correct, but it may not solve the problem. Specifically: > > given this setup, can I install a copy of SpamBayes on a desktop > > machine which runs Outlook Client (and SpamBayes) 24/7, yet still > > run my laptop (on the LAN, or via VPN) with a seperate copy of > > SpamBayes (allowing me to "train" emails that mis-filter) without > > messing up my original instance of SpamBayes on the desktop machine? > If I understand it, the desktop is *always* running Outlook, even while the remote machine is. I somehow missed that 24/7 part. The only solution I see for this situation: - running one spambayes process server-side, at the SMTP or mail store level - making a central DB accessible to multiple processes, either on-line with row-level locking or off-line via a form of merge replication. I'm not sure if BSD database supports these, but Microsoft MSDE 2000 and IBM's DB2 universal engines do. Both are decidedly not free, though. Regards, -ryan- From SCohen at sportvision.com Fri Oct 10 09:57:02 2003 From: SCohen at sportvision.com (Steve Cohen) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:55:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall Message-ID: How is the SpamBayes 0.7 outlook plugin uninstalled? I find no documentation on that subject, nothing in Add/Remove Programs, nothing in the install directory, and nothing in the FAQ. I would keep it but my employer has now installed system-wide spamware and I don't want to have both systems running at once. Steve Cohen Sr. Software Engineer Sportvision, Inc. scohenATSportvisionDOTcom From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Fri Oct 10 09:59:17 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Fri Oct 10 09:59:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules - final Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6332CF@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > > > Is this what the "Background Scanning" in the "Advanced" > > tab means ? > > > > Yes, looks like you found it! I was just afraid from using it... > > > > > I wasn't able to find anything about that feature. > > > > It's been documented on this mailing list, and in the INI files > > themselves as comments. Not sure about anywhere else. I'm not on the mailinglist that long, and my INI-Files do not contain comments on this, I had a look in it, BEFORE ;-) > > It is subtle, but the "tool tips" on all these dialogs work - > click on the "?" at the top of the dialog, then on any item > in the dialog to see what the option does. Whoa ! Great ! > > I wonder if we should add this information to the main dialog > page - something like "For information on any option, click > on the '?' button, then on the option"? I dunno if I've overseen it or rather ignored. Maybe latter, as most of these TopicHelps do not work in other application, or when they do, it's very poor. Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm way confused searching for information or help on SpamBayes: The web page provides general information on the python project, a few webpages shipped with the outlook-addin do explain the most important steps, the troubleshooting-page refers to the faq (to be read online at best) and the mailing list. Did I miss something ? Thanks for help, Manuel From rmalayter at bai.org Fri Oct 10 10:12:00 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Fri Oct 10 10:12:03 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules - final Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D464@cliff.bai.org> From: Dejonghe, Manuel [mailto:Manuel.Dejonghe@cycos.com] > I'm not on the mailinglist that long, and my INI-Files do > not contain comments on this, I had a look in it, BEFORE ;-) Hmm... Now that I check, it doesn't appear to be documented anywhere but on the "tool tips" in the GUI. If you click in the box labeled "seconds" and press F1, you see the tool tips. There does not appear to be a ? Icon anywhere on my 0.81 screens. I think documentation for the delay settings it *used* to be inside the default INI file for 0.7, but I don't have one around anymore to be sure. Sorry for the bad info. From cagii at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 11:29:22 2003 From: cagii at earthlink.net (CAG) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:29:47 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] web interface training problems... Message-ID: Hello all. I often have a problem when training ham/spam through the web interface using the pop3proxy server. When it works correctly, I get a logon screen when connecting to myhost:8880, I then press review and classify my messages. I will then get the "training on X messages" message displayed almost immediately after pressing the train button. However, about 1 out of every 4 times I try this, I get another logon popup right after pressing the train button, and then the server seems to just hang! If I run top on the server, the sb_server process is showing 99% cpu usage in top. If I end and restart the pop3 proxy, I can usually train on exactly the same message selection/classification just fine. Any ideas on what may be causing this? Is there any log files that I should look for to give me an indication on what the sb_server is doing, and if not, is there any way to turn on such logging? Thanks for any advice you can offer. C. From kevin_thornsberry at compuserve.com Fri Oct 10 11:43:07 2003 From: kevin_thornsberry at compuserve.com (Kevin Thornsberry) Date: Fri Oct 10 11:55:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Has Stopped Working with Outlook 2002 Message-ID: <000001c38f45$33e70780$22b8cdd1@nor.texaco.com> I've been using SpamBayes for about a month with great success as an add-in to outlook 2002. Today, while configuring some software that synchronises an outlook contact folder with my Nokia phone I saw a brief message flash saying something about disabling spam filtering. Now SpamBays is no longer working. This is what I experience. Upon opening Outlook I do not get the usual delay before my Send/Receive begins. I see the SpamBayes dropdown in the toolbar but clicking on it doesn't drop anything down. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling several times. I've tried renaming the old SpamBays folders and *.ini files and reinstalling. No matter what I have tried, the SpamBays button still shows on the toolbar but does nothing. Can anyone recommend a way to get this fixed or to truly uninstall SpamBays so I can start from Scratch. Thank you. From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Fri Oct 10 13:14:40 2003 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Fri Oct 10 13:14:47 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in misfeature Message-ID: R. K. Coe _____ Here's something I noticed the other day. Consider an Outlook add-in user whose Windows profile has been configured for Spambayes. Up through about version .06, if that user opened Outlook on a computer on which Spambayes was installed, he'd see the appropriate toolbar and menu items; but if he opened Outlook on a non-Spambayes computer, he'd see no evidence of Spambayes: no toolbar and no options. I think that's pretty much how it should work. But it turns out that in version .081, a Spambayes-enabled user on a non-Spambayes computer does see the toolbar (which is, of course, non-functional, since the Spambayes executables aren't there). In other words, the presence of the toolbar follows the user, regardless of the computer's configuration. I think this is confusing and definitely not a step in the right direction. Intuitively, I think I understand the forces at work here: the developers tried (with at least partial success) to come up with a less clumsy installation procedure to deal with the tide of "I installed Spambayes but it doesn't work" complaints. But in any complex software package it's important to find the right partition between user-specific and computer-specific functionality. In this case, the toolbar should be visible only if it's active. Which means, I think, only if both the user and the computer are properly configured for Spambayes. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 From Bob.Diprima at sciatl.com Fri Oct 10 14:21:30 2003 From: Bob.Diprima at sciatl.com (Diprima, Bob) Date: Fri Oct 10 14:21:46 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambays Message-ID: Sir, I have a spambayes problem. The mail server had a problem and spambayes stopped working. When I click on the toolbar in outlook nothing happens. I uninstalled spambayes reinstalled it and rebooted and the same thing no action when I clisk on the toolbar. Any ideas on what to do to fix this? Thank You, Bob - - - - - - - Appended by Scientific-Atlanta, Inc. - - - - - - - This e-mail and any attachments may contain information which is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise protected by law. The information is solely intended for the named addressee (or a person responsible for delivering it to the addressee). If you are not the intended recipient of this message, you are not authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this message or any part of it. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from your computer. From lwapnitsky at mortoncapital.com Fri Oct 10 17:05:28 2003 From: lwapnitsky at mortoncapital.com (Larry) Date: Fri Oct 10 17:04:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP Duplication Message-ID: <69D0AAD07C86B447A695AD0E7189DA84197468@mcmsbs.mortoncapital.com> (apologies if this has been covered already) I just installed SpamBayes to use with Eudora. I read all my e-mail through an IMAP server. Whenever SB checks for spam, then Eudora checks for e-mail, I get duplicate headers. I've logged in to my webmail, and saw that the original messages have been deleted, but not purged yet. Is there any way to stop this from happening? I would love to use SB in this way, as it has stopped 95% of the spam I receive at work, and the built-in Eudora filters don't work with IMAP yet. Thanks, Larry From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sat Oct 11 00:17:35 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sat Oct 11 00:17:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115331@cliff.bai.org> Message-ID: <04ea01c38fae$99c2fc80$f502a8c0@eden> > > If I understand it, the desktop is *always* running > Outlook, even while the remote machine is. > > I somehow missed that 24/7 part. The only solution I see for > this situation: > > - running one spambayes process server-side, at the SMTP > or mail store level > - making a central DB accessible to multiple processes, either > on-line with row-level locking or off-line via a form of merge > replication. I'm not sure if BSD database supports these, but > Microsoft MSDE 2000 and IBM's DB2 universal engines do. > Both are decidedly not free, though. Another option may be to see if we can use MAPI itself as our database! Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1984 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031011/470279de/winmail.bin From rclilly at cox.net Sat Oct 11 00:33:30 2003 From: rclilly at cox.net (Robert Lilly) Date: Sat Oct 11 00:33:36 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Has Stopped Working with Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <000001c38f45$33e70780$22b8cdd1@nor.texaco.com> Message-ID: > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Thornsberry snip... > I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling several times. > I've tried renaming the old SpamBays folders and *.ini files and > reinstalling. When you uninstall, are you deleting all references to spambayes from the registry? I found that without doing that, it hasn't really been uninstalled. HTH, Robert Lilly --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 2003.10.06 From jpatter at gte.net Sat Oct 11 02:53:18 2003 From: jpatter at gte.net (John & Cindi) Date: Sat Oct 11 02:53:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Install problem; WinXP Message-ID: Hi, When I tried to execute the SpamBayes binary file, WinXP gave me an error, stating that it could not create the temp file \Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp\is-A898C. I went to \Documents and Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp and made sure the folder was not read only, but still no success. I read the troubleshooting page, but could not find any helpful advice. Before I have to go to the hassle of downloading the source code and additional applications to run it, do you have any suggestions? Thank you, John Patterson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3476 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031010/39462e54/winmail.bin From johnnycewe at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 10:28:05 2003 From: johnnycewe at yahoo.com (johnnycewe@yahoo.com) Date: Sat Oct 11 10:28:06 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stamina RX Message-ID: <177701c35f5a$c0410d90$c5b4e635@qlwbltynjrb> From airwin at users.sourceforge.net Sat Oct 11 11:23:12 2003 From: airwin at users.sourceforge.net (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Sat Oct 11 11:23:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes-1.0a6 bug: sb_mboxtrain.py fails to mark mail data as X-Spambayes-Trained Message-ID: Symptoms: I have chosen a two-message mbox folder called libtool as an example, but I get the same result with larger folders as well. irwin@starling> sb_mboxtrain.py -d ~/.spambayes/hammie.dbm -g ~/cdburn0/Mail/libtool Training ham (/home/irwin/cdburn0/Mail/libtool): Reading as Unix mbox Trained 2 out of 2 messages irwin@starling> sb_mboxtrain.py -d ~/.spambayes/hammie.dbm -g ~/cdburn0/Mail/libtool Training ham (/home/irwin/cdburn0/Mail/libtool): Reading as Unix mbox Trained 2 out of 2 messages Note the second time around it still trains 2 messages rather than 0. Also, that folder remains absolutely unchanged by these training efforts with a september date ls -l ~/cdburn0/Mail/libtool -rw------- 1 irwin irwin 4290 Sep 11 15:20 /home/irwin/cdburn0/Mail/libtool and no extra mail header line referring to X-Spambayes-Trained Configuration file: cat ~/.spambayesrc [Headers] include_trained: True [Storage] persistent_storage_file: ~/.spambayes/hammie.dbm persistent_use_database: True The include_trained: True should be redundant (since it is default), but I tried it anyway to force the X-Spambayes-Trained header to be in, but it didn't work. I believe this bug has serious consequences since there is no way to retrain spambayes with the recommended cron tasks using sb_mboxtrain.py since it acts as if the -f option was on all the time. To users unaware of this bug, the database gets slowly distorted by the cumulative repeating of the same data with no correction of previous classification mistakes possible. Of course, one workaround presumably (I haven't tried this yet) is to remove your database in the cron task and start from scratch every time, but this is somewhat wasteful of resources for the huge spam and ham collection of mail folders I have collected. If others here have trouble reproducing this bug, then here are some details about my system: I am running a Debian stable Linux distribution which I have modified by downloading and installing the python 2.3.2 tarball, Python-2.3.2.tgz, from python.org. python Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 10 2003, 17:38:20) [GCC 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)] on linux2 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> I have downloaded and installed spambayes-1.0a6.1.tar.gz from sourceforge.net. If there is any difficulty verifying this bug, I will be happy to supply more details about my system, run more tests, etc., since spam waits for no man, and it is fairly urgent I get it fixed. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin email: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca phone: 250-727-2902 Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org), the Yorick front-end to PLplot (yplot.sf.net), the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net), and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From airwin at users.sourceforge.net Sat Oct 11 11:55:08 2003 From: airwin at users.sourceforge.net (Alan W. Irwin) Date: Sat Oct 11 11:55:12 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes-1.0a6 bug: sb_mboxtrain.py fails to mark mail data as X-Spambayes-Trained In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2003-10-11 08:23-0700 Alan W. Irwin wrote: > [...]If there is any difficulty verifying this bug, I will be happy to supply > more details about my system, run more tests, etc., since spam waits for no > man, and it is fairly urgent I get it fixed. I have now reported this bug more formally. bug # 821808. However, I hope you don't mind me bringing it up here since it has the potential to distort users's spambayes databases unless they remove the old database before any attempt to train. Also, I would still appreciate a quick fix or workaround from this list, if anybody can supply one. Alan __________________________ Alan W. Irwin email: irwin@beluga.phys.uvic.ca phone: 250-727-2902 Astronomical research affiliation with Department of Physics and Astronomy, University of Victoria (astrowww.phys.uvic.ca). Programming affiliations with the PLplot scientific plotting software package (plplot.org), the Yorick front-end to PLplot (yplot.sf.net), the Loads of Linux Links project (loll.sf.net), and the Linux Brochure Project (lbproject.sf.net). __________________________ Linux-powered Science __________________________ From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 11 13:51:12 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:51:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Cut off doesn appear to be working Message-ID: <000001c39020$42e960d0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> I have set my cut off as follows :- Ham 0.2 Spam 0.8 I am still getting quite a few messages marked as unsure. When I checked the clues for one, it showed the following :- Spam probability: 0.928987696313 *H* 0.0590561523317 *S* 0.917031544958 skip:t 30 0.155172413793 subject:can 0.155172413793 subject:get 0.155172413793 header:Return-path:1 0.392454238181 subject:unsure 0.643244289586 subject:, 0.676647442122 content-type:multipart/alternative 0.746914410458 content-type:text/html 0.794961761144 url:gif 0.840754651709 subject:all 0.844827586207 to:2**1 0.844827586207 to:no real name:2**1 0.844827586207 from:addr:yahoo.com 0.908163265306 url:biz 0.969798657718 Surly this should be marked as spam, or have I got the wrong end of the stick ? Alan From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 11 13:56:47 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Sat Oct 11 13:56:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs Message-ID: <000101c39021$0a786a10$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> I have never been able to train Spambayes using the web interface. I am using pop3proxy_service on a W2K server. When I go to the training page, it shows the mails that I have received that day and their classification. I make a few adjustments and click on the train button, but nothing happens. The browser (MS IE 6) reports that it it opening page http://server1:8880/review and the progress bar starts go increment, but only ever gets as far as 6 bars. I letf it running for 2 hours last night, but still nothing. Are there any logs I can look at ? Anyone have any pointers as to how I can find out what is going on ? I think I read somewhere that if pop3proxy_service is compiled into a exe that it logs to a log file, but if its run from the .py source, it doesn't log. Is this correct ? Thanks Alan From fraga at comcast.net Sun Oct 12 14:34:53 2003 From: fraga at comcast.net (fraga@comcast.net) Date: Sun Oct 12 14:34:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] question Message-ID: Win XP Home Version 008.1 Question: Spambayes deletes a spam message I don?t wanted deleted. How do I train it to except this message in the future? Regards, John Fraga -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1034 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031012/383f642d/spambayes1.obj -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Trying to install the addin does not succeed * The spambayes toolbar in OUtlook appears and seems to work * Emails are not filtered automatically as they arrive in my inbox (or sub-directories specified to be scamnned in the Spambayes Manager) BUT they are filtered OK if started manually from the toolbar. I cannot see any previous bug reports which match this. Apologies for not logging a bug at Sourceforge but I couldn't see where to log it(??!) even after registering. I'd be grateful for any help on this problem. I assuem that arriving emails SHOULD be filtered automatically. Log files are attached. Using Outlook XP on Windows XP Home Thanks Neil Stone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Ensure that this is checked, and simply move the message back to the inbox. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of fraga@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 11:35 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] question > > > Win XP Home > Version 008.1 > > Question: Spambayes deletes a spam message I don?t wanted > deleted. How do I > train it to except this message in the future? > > Regards, > John Fraga > > From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sun Oct 12 19:38:41 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sun Oct 12 19:38:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules - final In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6332CF@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> Message-ID: <077001c39119$f8a504c0$f502a8c0@eden> > > > > It is subtle, but the "tool tips" on all these dialogs work - > > click on the "?" at the top of the dialog, then on any item > > in the dialog to see what the option does. > > Whoa ! Great ! Hmm - Tim Peters can't see them. Can anyone else confirm that a Windows 98 machine does not work with the tooltips on the main "SpamBayes Manager" dialog? > Maybe it has to do with the fact I'm way confused searching > for information or help on SpamBayes: The web page provides > general information on the python project, a few webpages > shipped with the outlook-addin do explain the most important > steps, the troubleshooting-page refers to the faq (to be read > online at best) and the mailing list. Did I miss something ? You didn't miss anything, but you do seem to be making the assumption that someone has actually put serious effort into any documentation! That simply hasn't happened. Most Outlook related docs have been written by me, and every time I try and put effort into improving them, I convince myself that my time is better spent in the code (at least until out bug list reduces). It is no coincidence that in a number of places we say "we need your help, but you don't need to be a programmer - please fix our docs!" (well, maybe not in those words, but that is what we mean ) Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2432 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031013/cd0153c6/winmail.bin From alacos at equitonica.org Sun Oct 12 19:48:00 2003 From: alacos at equitonica.org (SMD Alachouzos (Michael)) Date: Sun Oct 12 19:50:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] HTML error on your Sourcefforge site? Message-ID: <200310131480.008779@smda> Hi. Is there a HTML error on your Sourceforge site's http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/docs.html page? I have been unsuccessfully clicking the "installing Spambayes" link there, but the link seems to be broken/useless. Regards, SMD (Michael) Alachouzos alacos@equitonica.org http://equitonica.org Date (dd/mm/yyyy) = 10/13/03 From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Oct 12 19:50:48 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Oct 12 19:50:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes vs. Outlook Mailbox Rules - final In-Reply-To: <077001c39119$f8a504c0$f502a8c0@eden> Message-ID: [Mark Hammond] > Hmm - Tim Peters can't see them. Can anyone else confirm that a > Windows 98 machine does not work with the tooltips on the main > "SpamBayes Manager" dialog? I should clarify that tooltips work fine for me, in the sense that if I give a dialog item the focus, and then hit F1, a yellow word balloon pops up explaining the item. It's just the '?' in the upper right corner I don't see in the Manager dialog box. I do see it in other apps' dialog boxes (for example, in Explorer -> Tools -> Folder Options ..., and Outlook's Tools -> Options ..., just naming the first two others I tried). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1052 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031012/9d82fd3a/winmail-0001.bin From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 12 20:13:29 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:13:40 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Question About SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C124F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B057@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is there any way I can specify the directory where data files > can be stored for the Outlook plugin? It currently stores it > in C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAMEi\Application > Data\SpamBayes and I would like to perhaps move it to the > users' home directories on the network. I didn't com across > anything in the FAQ that says one way or another. Yes, you can do this. Please read the configuration guide, which you can get to via the "About" link from the Help sub-menu. It's towards the bottom of the page - particularly, the "data_directory" section. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 12 20:15:46 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:15:53 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C1267@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B058@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > How is the SpamBayes 0.7 outlook plugin uninstalled? I find > no documentation on that subject, nothing in Add/Remove > Programs, nothing in the install directory, and nothing in the FAQ. If you used the installer to install it (rather than running from source), then you should have an item in the standard "Add/Remove Programs" list (have another look). After doing this, then you will have to manually remove the spambayes toolbar - just right-click on a toolbar, choose customize, select the spambayes toolbar, and click delete. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 12 20:29:31 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:29:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] IMAP Duplication In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BA51@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29A0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I just installed SpamBayes to use with Eudora. I read all my > e-mail through an IMAP server. Whenever SB checks for spam, > then Eudora checks for e-mail, I get duplicate headers. I've > logged in to my webmail, and saw that the original messages > have been deleted, but not purged yet. Is there any way to > stop this from happening? Can't you configure Eudora to not display messages that are marked as deleted? You can set spambayes to purge messages on exit, although this will purge *all* messages marked as deleted, not just those that spambayes has used, and there is, of course, no way to get mail back if something goes wrong (and this is alpha software). If you want to do that, you can just add the "expunge" option in the "imap" section of your config file to "True" (this isn't exposed via the web interface). Unfortunately those extra copies of the messages have to be created because IMAP is a terrible protocol; the particular problem here is that IMAP doesn't allow you to make changes to a message, or even to move a message between folders. You should end up with two deleted copies of all mail - one with just a spambayes id header, which lets spambayes keep track of the message, and one that has the full classification. As soon as a new copy of the message is created, though, the old one is marked for deletion. Sorry this isn't much help; the only way around this that I've thought of is to have an IMAP proxy rather than an IMAP filter, but people were much keener on the filter at the time it was created, and even that could end up with some of the same problems. =Tony Meyer From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sun Oct 12 20:34:39 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:34:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in misfeature In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <078701c39121$ca80e8e0$f502a8c0@eden> I agree this is a bug, but really am lost as to what to do about it. Early versions worked probably as they had "temporary" toolbar items. I guess a solution would be to make the SpamBayes toolbar invisible as we exit, and visible as we initialize. Then a machine without SpamBayes wont make it visible. A better option of course is to arrange for SpamBayes to follow you too - install it to a directory that follows you, then on any machine execute "regsvr32 outlook_addin.dll" to make it function the the first time on a machine. Add "regsvr32 -s \path\to\outlook_addin.dll" to your startup group, and you can forget about it for all time Please open a bug though if you think it should be fixed (assign to me, and add my suggestion for a fix) Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Coe, Bob > Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 3:15 AM > To: spambayes@Python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook add-in misfeature > > > R. K. Coe > > _____ > > Here's something I noticed the other day. Consider an Outlook > add-in user whose Windows profile has been configured for > Spambayes. Up through about version .06, if that user opened > Outlook on a computer on which Spambayes was installed, he'd > see the appropriate toolbar and menu items; but if he opened > Outlook on a non-Spambayes computer, he'd see no evidence of > Spambayes: no toolbar and no options. I think that's pretty > much how it should work. > > But it turns out that in version .081, a Spambayes-enabled > user on a non-Spambayes computer does see the toolbar (which > is, of course, non-functional, since the Spambayes > executables aren't there). In other words, the presence of > the toolbar follows the user, regardless of the computer's > configuration. I think this is confusing and definitely not a > step in the right direction. Intuitively, I think I > understand the forces at work here: the developers tried > (with at least partial success) to come up with a less clumsy > installation procedure to deal with the tide of "I installed > Spambayes but it doesn't work" complaints. But in any complex > software package it's important to find the right partition > between user-specific and computer-specific functionality. In > this case, the toolbar should be visible only if it's active. > Which means, I think, only if both the user and the computer > are properly configured for Spambayes. > > Bob > > MIS Department, City of Cambridge > 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? > fax 617-349-6165 > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It should be fixed within the week; we don't really have any control over it, though (although we could put a local copy up instead of the cvs one). Note that this link is simply to a copy of the README.txt file that is included with the source releases, so you can get it from there instead. If you want the most up-to-date version, then you could check it out with anonymous cvs (I presume anon cvs is still working). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 12 20:51:05 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:51:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Install problem; WinXP In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BB32@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B05C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I tried to execute the SpamBayes binary file, > WinXP gave me an error, stating that it could not > create the temp file \Documents and Settings\{username} > \Local Settings\Temp\is-A898C. I went to \Documents and > Settings\{username}\Local Settings\Temp and made sure the > folder was not read only, but still no success. I read the > troubleshooting page, but could not find any helpful advice. > Before I have to go to the hassle of downloading the source > code and additional applications to run it, do you have > any suggestions? If you try and create the same file (i.e. a blank text file with the same name), does that work? Does the user in the filename have permission to create files in that directory? (It would be bizarre if they didn't). If you can't figure out why this is happening, it would be good to open a bug report on , so that we (Mark, probably) can try and figure out what the cause of this might be. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 12 20:54:46 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 12 20:54:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BB3D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B05D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have never been able to train Spambayes using the web interface. > > I am using pop3proxy_service on a W2K server. When I go to > the training page, it shows the mails that I have received > that day and their classification. I make a few adjustments > and click on the train button, but nothing happens. The > browser (MS IE 6) reports that it it opening page > http://server1:8880/review and the progress bar starts go > increment, but only ever gets as far as 6 bars. Does this happen if you use a different browser? Does it happen even if you try and train on a single message, and have the rest set to "defer"? > Are there any logs I can look at ? Yes, the service creates a log in the user's temp directory (where 'user' depends on how the service is setup) called SpamBayesService1.log (through to 5, IIRC). You could also run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" and try and train, and any error would print out to the console. > I think I read somewhere that if pop3proxy_service is compiled > into a exe that it logs to a log file, but if its run from the > .py source, it doesn't log. Is this correct ? Almost. If running from an .exe the log output is redirected to a file, yes. If you run from the source, then any errors will be printed to stdout or stderr, both probably the console window you're running the source from. =Tony Meyer From johnreed at optonline.net Sun Oct 12 21:27:03 2003 From: johnreed at optonline.net (Johnson/Reed) Date: Sun Oct 12 21:27:15 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Contribution Message-ID: What is your mailing address so that I may send a contribution? Ted Jamison -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1324 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031012/78455e80/winmail-0001.bin From tim.one at comcast.net Sun Oct 12 21:46:51 2003 From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters) Date: Sun Oct 12 21:46:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Contribution In-Reply-To: Message-ID: [Ted Jamison] > What is your mailing address so that I may send a contribution? Please see: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/donations.html We don't have a mailing address, and the project doesn't accept contributions directly. If you want to mail a donation to someone anyway, that page will suggest visiting: http://www.python.org/psf/donations.html and a mailing address for the PSF can be found there. If you send a check, please mention the spambayes project (donations thru the spambayes PayPal "Make a Donation" button automatically do this). If the PSF sees that a certain percentage of its contributions come from spambayes users, I think we can use that to justify (in part) asking them for a development grant. From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Sun Oct 12 22:58:14 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Sun Oct 12 22:58:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Help required please In-Reply-To: <000701c39113$ab89b240$f7fb0250@dell4300> Message-ID: <07b201c39135$d93acef0$f502a8c0@eden> It looks like you have 4 different inboxes being watched, but there is no evidence of SpamBayes seeing any new message in these folders. Are you sure you are watching the correct one? Otherwise, the only solution may be for you to run the sourcecode version, after which I will be able to add diagnostics for this specific problem. Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Neil Stone > Sent: Monday, 13 October 2003 8:54 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Help required please > > > I haev installed the latest version of the spambayes addin (0.81), and > trained the software. On the first installation there ws an error > incicated that the .dll file could not be registered. I > uninstalled and > reinstalled, and no error message came up. However: > > > * spambayes does not appear in the list of com add-ins under > Tools/Options/Other/Advanced. Trying to install the addin does not > succeed > * The spambayes toolbar in OUtlook appears and seems to work > * Emails are not filtered automatically as they arrive in my inbox > (or sub-directories specified to be scamnned in the Spambayes Manager) > BUT they are filtered OK if started manually from the toolbar. > > I cannot see any previous bug reports which match this. Apologies for > not logging a bug at Sourceforge but I couldn't see where to > log it(??!) > even after registering. > > I'd be grateful for any help on this problem. I assuem that arriving > emails SHOULD be filtered automatically. > > Log files are attached. Using Outlook XP on Windows XP Home > > Thanks > > Neil Stone > > From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Oct 13 00:32:54 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Oct 13 00:32:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Has Stopped Working with Outlook 2002 In-Reply-To: <000001c38f45$33e70780$22b8cdd1@nor.texaco.com> Message-ID: <07c201c39143$12539610$f502a8c0@eden> Please see the troubleshooting guide, and particularly the bit about Outlook 2002's "Help->About->Disabled Objects" dialog. Mark. > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Thornsberry > Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2003 1:43 AM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Has Stopped Working with Outlook 2002 > > > I've been using SpamBayes for about a month with great > success as an add-in to > outlook 2002. > > Today, while configuring some software that synchronises an > outlook contact > folder with my Nokia phone I saw a brief message flash saying > something about > disabling spam filtering. > > Now SpamBays is no longer working. This is what I experience. > > Upon opening Outlook I do not get the usual delay before my > Send/Receive begins. > I see the SpamBayes dropdown in the toolbar but clicking on > it doesn't drop > anything down. > > I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling several times. > I've tried renaming the old SpamBays folders and *.ini files > and reinstalling. > > No matter what I have tried, the SpamBays button still shows > on the toolbar but > does nothing. > > Can anyone recommend a way to get this fixed or to truly > uninstall SpamBays so I > can start from Scratch. > > Thank you. > > > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Mon Oct 13 00:36:26 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Mon Oct 13 00:36:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Using AutoRead with Spambayes In-Reply-To: <113EE4C6211B1D41A34E54A089F4795C0AFC5F@mailbox.whatif-productions.com> Message-ID: <07c301c39143$90c805d0$f502a8c0@eden> > Thanks for the info. I know that you've added a feature request for > disabling the email icon in Outlook if the message received is > classified as spam (thanks for that), but in the meantime, > could you add > a custom line to the mail header when the message is > classified as spam? > Simply adding an "X-Text-Classification=spam" and > "X-Text-Classification=possible_spam" would do the trick and allow my > AutoRead custom action to work properly. I see no reason we can't add this as a disabled-by-default option. However, we should do it properly, allowing the headers to be "fully specified" - ie, we should consider adding the complete set of headers the proxy does. Please open a feature request at sourceforge (and I doubt I will find the time in the short term) Mark. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I deinstalled the 7.0 version, cleaned the registry with "regclean", checked again with "RegCleaner" and couldn't find any entries in the registry (while the symbolbar was still possible to install in Outlook 2002. Then I shutdown the PC and started again. (Symbolbar still in Outlook). Then I installed the 8.1 Version. I clicked the Symbolbar entry again to show it up in Outlook 2002, but clicking on one of the entries gave no reaction. Is there anybody who knew how to start troubleshooting? 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Name: PGPexch.htm.asc Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1630 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031013/9be1153c/PGPexch.htm.obj From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Mon Oct 13 08:44:50 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Mon Oct 13 08:45:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes shows up in Outlook 2002, but no action is done Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6332EA@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Thomas Ischler [mailto:ischler@web.de] > Sent: Montag, 13. Oktober 2003 13:43 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes shows up in Outlook 2002,but no action is done > > Hi, > > I tried Spambayes 7.0 and was very content with the results. But > once I had a problem with Outlook 2002 and was asked to quit > Spambayes as the error was identified by the system in this > Add-IN :-(. As far as I know, Outlook loves to say that the problem "may be in this extension", and then shows up the name for the only one extension. With this message-box, it informs you of the fact he deactivated this add-in. To check whether it has been disabled, have a look at Menu Help->About->Disabled Items If it's disabled, you may reenable it by this way. If THEN, it starts over to crash again, I would say it starts to sound like it's the cause ;-) As far as I know, the Toolbar is shown, whether the AddIn is enabled or not. (especially with v0081) To reinstall, I would (and everybody else on thelist does) strongly recommend to uninstall before with the methods written in troubleshooting. That means a grep trough your registry too. -- Manuel From Hannes.Heckner at mobilexag.de Mon Oct 13 09:12:01 2003 From: Hannes.Heckner at mobilexag.de (Hannes Heckner) Date: Mon Oct 13 09:12:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Having problem with reinstalling spambayes under Win2000 Message-ID: Now I get the following error message runding the proxy-server (i don't use the = outlook plugin) Traceback (most recent call last): File "C:\internet\SpamBayes Proxy\spambayes-1.0a6\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line = 453, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "C:\internet\SpamBayes Proxy\spambayes-1.0a6\spambayes\ProxyUI.py", line = 324, in onReview self._doSave() File "C:\internet\SpamBayes = Proxy\spambayes-1.0a6\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 470, in _doSave classifier.store() File "C:\internet\SpamBayes Proxy\spambayes-1.0a6\spambayes\storage.py", line = 229, in store self._write_state_key() File "C:\internet\SpamBayes Proxy\spambayes-1.0a6\spambayes\storage.py", line = 233, in _write_state_key self.db[self.statekey] =3D (classifier.PICKLE_VERSION, File "D:\DEVELO~1\python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ self.dict[key] =3D f.getvalue() TypeError: object does not support item assignment I installed Python 2.3 and win32all=20 Thanks a lot Hannes --=20 Hannes Heckner Tel. +49 (89) 54 24 33 11 mobileX AG Mobil +49 (163) 54 24 33 0 80333 Muenchen Fax +49 (89) 54 24 33 55 Rottmannstr. 11 Web http://www.mobilexag.de From rmalayter at bai.org Mon Oct 13 10:15:10 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Mon Oct 13 10:15:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D46A@cliff.bai.org> From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] > Another option may be to see if we > can use MAPI itself as our database! My understanding from TechEd 2003 conference sessions, as well as various other articles about Exchange 2003, is that Microsoft may deprecate MAPI-RPC in favor of an HTTP/XML/SOAP based interface to Exchange server. It's already in Exchange/Outlook 2003 as "cached mode", and supposedly works much better than the MAPI-RPC stuff in an intermittently connected environment. I suppose you could save a pickle or BSD-DB image onto a custom MAPI form, and then load it and run everything from memory or temp files on the client. That would also be fast, I think, but I'm not sure how concurrent updates to the DB would work. Of course, MS might keep the MAPI interface in the client code, and just change the server access protocols from RPC to HTTP. Who knows. Whatever the state of MAPI, I think using a high-performance, multi-user DB engine is probably the cleanest move. What about supporting MySQL, or ODBC/OLEDB-compliant data sources? Most Outlook 2000+ users will have a license and the binaries for MSDE on their client as part of MS Office. But then again, using full-blown RDBMS with replication might be using a sledge-hammer on a thumbtack. How complex do you want this database code to get? -ryan- From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 13 16:47:37 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 13 16:47:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Having problem with reinstalling spambayes under Win2000 In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BE97@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B06F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [...] > File "D:\DEVELO~1\python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__ > self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() > TypeError: object does not support item assignment This is a known problem with 1.0a6, which is fixed in cvs, and so fixed for the next release. Basically you can't use the database after making any changes via the web interface configuration pages. To work around this, either restart spambayes after using the configuration pages, or use 1.0a5 until the next release comes out. =Tony Meyer From jfriedson at omniglow.com Mon Oct 13 16:51:28 2003 From: jfriedson at omniglow.com (John Friedson) Date: Mon Oct 13 16:51:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes not filtering - please help Message-ID: OK, I've trained it, enabled it, including backround processing, but no spam score is getting assigned. It does work in a batch mode. Reading the log, I wonder if there is a conflict with my popup stopper? thanks, John M. Friedson -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: spambayes1.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 23322 bytes Desc: spambayes1.log Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031013/0c244246/spambayes1-0001.obj From richie at entrian.com Mon Oct 13 16:56:26 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Mon Oct 13 16:56:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (fwd) Re: SpamBayes Problem Message-ID: [Forwarding this to the list with Chris's permission, in case others are having problems with DBRunRecoveryError, pop3proxy_service.py, or default port numbers.] Hi Chris, You should really send comments and questions to spambayes@python.org - individual developers don't always have time to answer questions, and if you send to the list then everyone else on the list benefits from the answers. I'll let you off because you're a fellow Forte Agent user, and such stubborn progress-o-phobes as us need to stick together. 8-) > DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run > database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery') Sadly this means that your training database is corrupted, and you have no choice but to delete it and train again from scratch. We don't know what causes this to happen, but we are trying to fix it. If you find it happens reliably for you (ie. the problem always comes back after deleting the database and retraining), please post a message saying as much to spambayes@python.org - no-one has yet found a case where we can reliably reproduce the problem, so tracking it down is proving very difficult. If you don't want to risk it happening again, switch to using the pickle storage (web interface: Configuration / Advanced Configuration / Storage Options / Use database for storage: No) instead. > The installation instructions say that you unzip the downloaded file > and run the install which will "put all the files in the right place - > Then you can delete the directory." This directory seems to be the > only place to find the script to create the SpamBayes Service and the > script which the service runs That's weird. It should have put pop3proxy_service.py in the same place as the other scripts (probably c:\python23\scripts) If you find the place where the installer put sb_server.py, is pop3proxy_service.py not there as well? >( I tried renaming the directory after I > had created the service and it failed to start). When you register, the location of the registration script determines the location of the service, so deleting it would make it fail, yes. > It would also be useful (for newbies) to say what the default values > for the port-numbers are (since I had not setup an SMTP port-number, > Forte Agent (my email client) was using the default and it took some > digging around to find it). If only the world were that simple. 8-) In the current CVS version, we actually default the port numbers to non-standard values and ask that you configure your email client to use those (which admittedly is obscure for Forte Agent - you have to edit the ini file). The reason is that on Unix (and probably on some future version of Windows as well), ordinary users don't have permission to create those default ports. Also, whatever platform you're on, there's a fair chance that you already have something on those ports - either a mail server, or another piece of mail proxy software like Spambayes. If you were using a Demon dialup with Forte Agent, you might well receive email by SMTP, in which case Agent itself would be using port 25 (I used to do this, and when I first ran the Spambayes SMTP proxy I got myself and my Demon account into a hell of a state by bouncing my own email back to myself...) In summary, the default ports would never work for unix users, and would be fine for most Windows users but would explode in various hard-to-debug ways for others. Hence we don't recommend it. Anyone savvy enough to know that they really *do* want to use the default ports is also savvy enough to type "default smtp port number" into Google. 8-) > It also takes some time to work out why a > Spam-filter needs to know anything about how you SEND email - a little > paragraph explaining this would help people. The web interface says "The Spambayes SMTP proxy intercepts outgoing email - if you forward mail to one of the addresses below, it is examined for an id and the message corresponding to that id is trained as ham/spam. All other mail is sent along to your outgoing mail server." Is that not enough? Any suggestions on improving it? Or were you expecting to see the explanation somewhere else - in what context were you looking for that information? > Thanks for some (otherwise) great software. Cheers! -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 13 17:11:12 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:11:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (fwd) Re: SpamBayes Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BFCF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29A4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> [DBRunRecoveryError] > If you don't want to risk it happening again, switch to using > the pickle storage (web interface: Configuration / Advanced > Configuration / Storage Options / Use database for storage: > No) instead. Note that there are two problems with this (although it's still a good idea): * If you have an existing db and use the web interface to change to a pickle, you'll get a traceback (500 error) as spambayes tries to open your non-pickle as a pickle. You can simply stop spambayes, remove the old db, and start spambayes up again to fix this. I'm not sure what the best way to handle this is; Skip suggested that we should check if there is an existing file, and offer to convert it, which does sound very nice of us, although a bit of work :) * The "message info" database in the 1.0x releases *always* uses a dbm, not a pickle. (This is fixed in cvs). Unless you are using sb_imapfilter.py, you can just delete this file if it becomes corrupted, though (assuming normal use of spambayes). Note that if you are using a pickle and get a DBRunRecoveryError, it *has* to be this file that is corrupted (a pickle will never give you one of those errors). > That's weird. It should have put pop3proxy_service.py in the > same place as the other scripts (probably > c:\python23\scripts) If you find the place where the > installer put sb_server.py, is pop3proxy_service.py not there as well? This is a mistake in either the readme or setup.py. It's fixed for the next release, so that pop3proxy_service.py and pop3proxy_tray.py will also be installed to the Python scripts directory (if the user is running win32). For the moment, people just have to copy those files manually, or just not delete them, and run them from the expanded archive location. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 13 17:23:49 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 13 17:24:05 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (fwd) Re: SpamBayes Problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3BFCF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B073@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > [Forwarding this to the list with Chris's permission, in case > others are having problems with DBRunRecoveryError, > pop3proxy_service.py, or default port numbers.] And see, also, the brand new FAQs 5.3, 5.4 and 5.5. :) =Tony Meyer From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Mon Oct 13 19:32:40 2003 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (jacob-spambayes-list@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Mon Oct 13 19:39:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem forcing database format Message-ID: <2673.156.56.138.64.1066087960.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> I've been having trouble with database corruption recently, so I read in the FAQ about how to prevent it, and it recommends using the Bsddb[3] database. However, I ran which_database.py and found that I have it avaliable, but Spambayes isn't using it. suslik% ./which_database.py Pickle is available. Dumbdbm is available. Dbhash is available. Bsddb[3] is available. Your storage hammie.db is a: dbhash I even tried nuking the database and starting over, but I'm still not able to create using the Bsddb[3] format. Is there a line I can add to my configuration file to make it work? All I can find instructions for is how to use Pickle. Thanks! From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 13 19:47:02 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 13 19:47:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] web interface training problems... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C129A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B07A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I often have a problem when training ham/spam through the web > interface using the pop3proxy server. When it works > correctly, I get a logon screen when connecting to > myhost:8880, I then press review and classify my messages. I > will then get the "training on X messages" message displayed > almost immediately after pressing the train button. However, > about 1 out of every 4 times I try this, I get another logon > popup right after pressing the train button, and then the > server seems to just hang! If I run top on the server, the > sb_server process is showing 99% cpu usage in top. If I end > and restart the pop3 proxy, I can usually train on exactly > the same message selection/classification just fine. > > Any ideas on what may be causing this? You have enabled http-auth for the web interface, I take it. This is a fairly new addition to spambayes, and so this might be a problem with it (I haven't seen it before, but I don't know that many people are using it). If you disabled http-auth, does the problem go away, or is it replaced with something else? What browser is this, with what version of spambayes? Are you using sb_server, the pop3proxy service, or pop3proxy_tray? > Is there any log files that I should look for to give me an > indication on what the sb_server is doing, and if not, is > there any way to turn on such logging? If you are using the pop3proxy service, then log files called "SpambayesServiceX.log" (where X is from 1 to 5) will be in the service's temp directory; you can also run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" to get this printed to the console window. Otherwise, any errors will either appear in the web interface itself, as a 500 error, or in the console window that you're running the script from. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 13 22:08:37 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 13 22:09:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Multi-User Setup on WinXP Pro In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C1183@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B082@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > How should I proceed in regards to this issue? I sent Mr. > Hammond the log files mentioned but have heard no response. > Did I not follow the correct process? Mark (like everyone) gets busy, so he probably just hasn't had time to get to it. In any case, the best procedure is to *always* cc the list, so that you can benefit from everyone's wisdom (if you did this, I apologise, but I don't recall the message). An alternative is to open a bug tracker via the sourceforge system rather than use the list; it certainly means that the report won't get lost, and makes it easier to add (and keep track of) information. =Tony Meyer From T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz Mon Oct 13 22:25:28 2003 From: T.A.Meyer at massey.ac.nz (Meyer, Tony) Date: Mon Oct 13 22:25:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and direct help with Netscape integration Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A8B6C8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > When I type > C:\python 23\python.exe setup.py > I get the message > cannot open setup.py This one is because the "setup.py" file is not in C:\python23 > When I type > C:\python23\python.exe.\setup.py install > I get the message > Bad command or file name This is because there needs to be a space between the exe and the '.' > If I type > C:\python23\type setup.py > I get the message > File not found - setup.py Again, wrong directory (I should have been more specific). > On the otherhand if I type > C:\spambayes-1.0a5\type setup.py > I get lines of code flashing across the screen (Once upon a > time in dos pressing Ctrl P before the return would cause these > lines to be printed but that doesn't seem to work). The lines of > code end with > ' Topic :: Communication :: Email :: Post-Office :: Pop3', > ] > ) This tells me that setup.py is there, and is the correct file - this is the correct behaviour. If you type "c:\python23\python.exe .\setup.py install" (exactly like that, particularly the spaces) then it should run it (type it in this directory). Or you could do "c:\python23\python.exe c:\spambayes-1.0a5\setup.py install". > One of the things I have noticed is that the files in spambayes are in a directory > C:\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes-1.0a5 > but I didn't have to go to the subdirectory for the code > of setup.py to appear on screen. I don't know whether this > is relevant to the file not opening? You should be in the directory that has the setup.py file in it, whichever one that is. > In the run mode in windows I have just put in > C:\spambayes-1.0a5\setup.py install and a return. This gave a brief > dos screen with lines of code flashing across it which looks as > though something installed. This should have the exact same effect as typing "C:\spambayes-1.0a5\setup.py install" in a console/DOS window, but whatever works :) > If this is the case how do I proceed from now? The easiest way is to double-click the "pop3proxy_tray.py" file that is in the "windows" directory in the "spambayes-1.0a5" directory. This should add a wee mail icon to the 'tray' (by the clock). If you right click that you should get a menu from which you can choose "configuration", and it's hopefully straight-forward from there. You'll want to start up pop3proxy_tray every time you start windows - the easiest way of doing this is to put a shortcut (right-click and choose "create shortcut") in the startup items folder. > running C:\spambayes-1.0a5\setup.py install > has certainly changed the files within spambayes. > For example before this change there was a file > C: \spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes-1.0a5\testtools\data\ spam (or ham)\set 1 (2,3,4) > There is no such file within testtools after running the setup.py install Those directories should only have been created if you were using the testing setup; presumably something you tried along the way created them. I have no idea why they would go, either. The way to check if the install occurred is to look in the "C:\python23\Scripts" directory. If there is a file called "pop3proxy.py", then it did. =Tony Meyer From spambayes at szmidt.org Tue Oct 14 02:33:31 2003 From: spambayes at szmidt.org (spambayes@szmidt.org) Date: Tue Oct 14 02:33:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] TypeError Message-ID: <200310140232.21211.spambayes@szmidt.org> Hi, I tried totrain msgs seen in the web i/f. I get this message when I do: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/ProxyUI.py", line 324, in onReview self._doSave() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 470, in _doSave classifier.store() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 229, in store self._write_state_key() File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 233, in _write_state_key self.db[self.statekey] = (classifier.PICKLE_VERSION, File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 77, in __setitem__ self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() TypeError: object does not support item assignment -- Steve __________________________________________________ I hear SCO are closing their doors soon, let's wish them farewell and good riddance! From MMARTINEZ at CSREES.USDA.GOV Tue Oct 14 08:09:05 2003 From: MMARTINEZ at CSREES.USDA.GOV (Martinez, Michael) Date: Tue Oct 14 08:11:08 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Request for interpretation of kernel messages Message-ID: <9908FCB837A50642B74E2BEC198843091A246F@csrees-exchsrvb.csrees.usda.gov> Guys, I'm getting the following messages in /var/log/messages, on my smtp system running spambayes. What do they mean? Oct 10 22:54:19 maat kernel: LDT allocated for cloned task! Oct 10 23:20:45 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3167 (python). Oct 10 23:21:36 maat last message repeated 2 times Oct 10 23:21:39 maat last message repeated 53 times Oct 10 23:21:39 maat kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed. Oct 10 23:21:39 maat kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed. Oct 10 23:21:39 maat kernel: VM: killing process python Oct 10 23:22:15 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3172 (python). Oct 10 23:22:44 maat last message repeated 4 times Oct 10 23:23:28 maat last message repeated 88 times Oct 10 23:23:28 maat kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed. Oct 10 23:23:28 maat kernel: VM: killing process python Oct 10 23:25:45 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3174 (python). Oct 10 23:26:09 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3174 (python). Oct 10 23:26:48 maat last message repeated 106 times Oct 10 23:26:48 maat kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed. Oct 10 23:26:48 maat kernel: __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed. Oct 10 23:26:48 maat kernel: VM: killing process python Oct 10 23:28:02 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3176 (python). Oct 10 23:28:19 maat kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 3176 (python). Oct 10 23:29:24 maat last message repeated 159 times Oct 11 03:08:56 maat kernel: LDT allocated for cloned task! Regards, Michael Martinez Linux System Administrator ISTM/CSREES United States Department of Agriculture From Batchelor.John at tbs-sct.gc.ca Tue Oct 14 09:56:24 2003 From: Batchelor.John at tbs-sct.gc.ca (Batchelor.John@tbs-sct.gc.ca) Date: Tue Oct 14 09:56:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] moving DB file Message-ID: <2B72A3822A391B41BBD5E1B7E7C32DFCEFC4A5@EXCH4.intranet.local> SpamBayes works great but it generates a substantial DB. It seems to be hardcoded to be in Documents and Settings. I would like to locate it elsewhere on my system. I can't find any choice in the configuration files that would let me move it. Is it possible? John Batchelor Manager, Results On-line | Gestionnaire, R?sultats en directe Results-based Management | Gestion ax?e sur les r?sultats Comptrollership Branch | Direction g?n?rale de la fonction de contr?leur Treasury Board of Canada, Secretariat | Secr?tariat du Conseil du Tr?sor du Canada Ottawa, Canada K1A 0R5 613-957-7179 | Batchelor.John@tbs-sct.gc.ca | facsimile/t?l?copieur 613-957-7044 From msherman at peregrinegroup.com Tue Oct 14 11:07:43 2003 From: msherman at peregrinegroup.com (Mike Sherman) Date: Tue Oct 14 11:07:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] use on outlook express Message-ID: <027401c39264$ebe2a570$24e97ad1@VAIO> According to your website Spam Bayes does not work on outlook express. However, you do have instructions for setting up for other email clients. Does this alternate route for outlook express? I am currently using version 6 of outlook express and it's multiple accounts feature make it an otherwise hands-down choice to Outlook 2000. I'd prefer not to update to Outlook 2002. I'd be interested to know if anyone has been successful in installing Spam Bayes with Outlook Express, and whether any special arise using the alternate procedure. Thanks, Mike Sherman From gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in Tue Oct 14 12:07:29 2003 From: gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in (K. H. Gowranga) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:07:17 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) Message-ID: Hello, I am not able to view the mailing list meant for users via the web and so I am sending you this mail. I have installed "python2.3", Berkeley4.1, bsddb3-4.1.6 and "spambayes-1.0a6" on a AIX 4.3.2. Compilation and installation went through well but permissions to create a new database ".hammiedb" requires root to do it. Kindly suggest how this can be done by a user himself. The error message when a user tries to run setup.py is: error: /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/cdb.py: Permission denied And on running sb_filter.py, the user gets the error: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 53, in ? from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils ImportError: No module named spambayes Thanks in advance -gowranga From carlgroner at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 12:33:35 2003 From: carlgroner at earthlink.net (Carl) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:34:14 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] web interface training problems... In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B07A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 4:47 PM > To: 'CAG'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] web interface training problems... > > > > I often have a problem when training ham/spam through the web > > interface using the pop3proxy server. When it works > > correctly, I get a logon screen when connecting to > > myhost:8880, I then press review and classify my messages. I > > will then get the "training on X messages" message displayed > > almost immediately after pressing the train button. However, > > about 1 out of every 4 times I try this, I get another logon > > popup right after pressing the train button, and then the > > server seems to just hang! If I run top on the server, the > > sb_server process is showing 99% cpu usage in top. If I end > > and restart the pop3 proxy, I can usually train on exactly > > the same message selection/classification just fine. > > > > Any ideas on what may be causing this? > > You have enabled http-auth for the web interface, I take it. This is a > fairly new addition to spambayes, and so this might be a problem > with it (I > haven't seen it before, but I don't know that many people are > using it). If > you disabled http-auth, does the problem go away, or is it replaced with > something else? What browser is this, with what version of > spambayes? Are > you using sb_server, the pop3proxy service, or pop3proxy_tray? Thank You. I was indeed using http-auth, more specifically, the digest mode. Switching this to 'Basic' mode seems to have solved the problem, or at least made it much less frequent (about 10 training sessions now without a problem). FYI I am using the sb_server (SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003), using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03) on Linux. Python v2.3. I have used several web browsers incl. MozillaFirebird 0.6.1, Mozilla 1.4, and Internet Explorer 6.0.28. It appeared to me that the problem would occur less frequently under internet explorer, but I have not made any thorough tests. Thanks again for the help. > > > Is there any log files that I should look for to give me an > > indication on what the sb_server is doing, and if not, is > > there any way to turn on such logging? > > If you are using the pop3proxy service, then log files called > "SpambayesServiceX.log" (where X is from 1 to 5) will be in the service's > temp directory; you can also run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" to get this > printed to the console window. > > Otherwise, any errors will either appear in the web interface itself, as a > 500 error, or in the console window that you're running the script from. > > =Tony Meyer > From vanhorn at whidbey.com Tue Oct 14 12:39:47 2003 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Tue Oct 14 12:42:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] use on outlook express References: <027401c39264$ebe2a570$24e97ad1@VAIO> Message-ID: <3F8C26D3.9830CD70@whidbey.com> The SpamBayes Outlook Plugin only works with Outlook, but SpamBayes will work with any POP3 or IMAP mail client as far as we know. I run both Eudora and Netscape mail clients behind the SpamBayes proxy, and I know that many Outlook Express users do too. Van Mike Sherman wrote: > According to your website Spam Bayes does not work on outlook express. However, you do have instructions for setting up for other email clients. Does this alternate route for outlook express? I am currently using version 6 of outlook express and it's multiple accounts feature make it an otherwise hands-down choice to Outlook 2000. I'd prefer not to update to Outlook 2002. > > I'd be interested to know if anyone has been successful in installing Spam Bayes with Outlook Express, and whether any special arise using the alternate procedure. > > Thanks, > > Mike Sherman > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted@whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From sales at videotutor.com Tue Oct 14 13:26:46 2003 From: sales at videotutor.com (Video Tutor) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:27:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes does not move Junk mail correctly Message-ID: <005801c39278$5df983f0$6c01a8c0@mikelaptop> Hello, I have Windows XP with Outlook XP. I have SpamBayes .081. I have included the last couple lines of my log file below. Basically, SpamBayes recognizes the email as spam, but does not move it to the Junk E-mail folder. These emails all have a spam score of 100% or 99%. SpamBayes correctly moves emails to the suspect folder, and it does correctly move some spam, but not most. Please help. Thanks. Message 'Windows 2003 Web Hosting for $4.99 with a FREE Domain name !' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'emhrate poluce' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'I can help you this time' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Message 'Get your FreeSample of weight loss products, look your best' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' All of these messages stayed in their original folders. Thanks. -- Regards, Mike Ingenito ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Michael Ingenito Video Tutor Sales Team sales@videotutor.com http://www.videotutor.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From richie at entrian.com Tue Oct 14 13:28:06 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Tue Oct 14 13:28:17 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] use on outlook express In-Reply-To: <027401c39264$ebe2a570$24e97ad1@VAIO> References: <027401c39264$ebe2a570$24e97ad1@VAIO> Message-ID: <3vboov86mhqgii05ibre07gdoahl2iu5gq@4ax.com> > According to your website Spam Bayes does not work on outlook express. Not true - the Outlook plugin doesn't work with Outlook Express, but the POP3 proxy does. Instructions are at: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/README.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain The POP3 proxy annotates your email as you retrieve it, by adding a header (X-Spambayes-Classification) and optionally by annotating the To and Subject headers. Because Outlook Express can only filter on a limited set of headers, you need to use this latter feature - to go the Configuration page in the web interface and check "Notate to" and/or "Classify in subject header". You can then set up an Outlook Express filter to move suspected spam into its own folder. (There's a known bug in some recent versions whereby you need to shutdown sb_server.py and restart it after changing your configuration - it's probably best to do that.) (Our documentation is poor... sorry about that!)) -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From skip at pobox.com Tue Oct 14 15:25:20 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Tue Oct 14 15:25:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem forcing database format In-Reply-To: <2673.156.56.138.64.1066087960.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> References: <2673.156.56.138.64.1066087960.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Message-ID: <16268.19872.400027.812981@montanaro.dyndns.org> jacob> I've been having trouble with database corruption recently, so I jacob> read in the FAQ about how to prevent it, and it recommends using jacob> the Bsddb[3] database. However, I ran which_database.py and jacob> found that I have it avaliable, but Spambayes isn't using it. jacob> suslik% ./which_database.py jacob> Pickle is available. jacob> Dumbdbm is available. jacob> Dbhash is available. jacob> Bsddb[3] is available. jacob> Your storage hammie.db is a: dbhash That's a bug in which_database.py. I just checked in a fix. If you execute: import bsddb print bsddb.__version__ and don't see an AttributeError exception, you have bsddb[3]. Skip From krulewit at myprivacy.iu.edu Tue Oct 14 15:55:56 2003 From: krulewit at myprivacy.iu.edu (Krulewitch, Sean) Date: Tue Oct 14 15:56:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 RTM and SpamBayes 0.8.1 Message-ID: <0560FE30E308454280C10066BBC4554C9E2156@iu-mssg-mbx05.exchange.iu.edu> I can't seem to get this to work. Has anyone had any luck with this? I can see the toolbar but it doesn't function. The addin is not listed with the COM Addins nor can I add it manually. I've tried uninstalling and reinstalling as well. Any thoughts or ideas? -Sean -- Sean Krulewitch, Security Engineer IT Security Office, Office of the VP for Information Technology Indiana University For PGP Key or S/MIME cert: https://www.itso.iu.edu/staff/krulewit/ From kthornton at pmionline.com Tue Oct 14 16:01:56 2003 From: kthornton at pmionline.com (Kim Thornton) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:02:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Message-ID: <03f901c3928e$058f13e0$346fa8c0@kim> For some reason, and quite frequently, my "spam" folder simply disappears. Recently I had to reinstate it 3 times within 15 minutes! Also, after I do that, and filter the folders, I'll get an e-mail from a "friend" one time into my regular folder and within a few mintues that same "friend" will be sent into spam. What's up? Kim Thornton Preferred Management, Inc. 804-897-3879 Association Management & Meeting Planning www.pmionline.com From Leigh.Klotz at pahv.xerox.com Tue Oct 14 16:22:32 2003 From: Leigh.Klotz at pahv.xerox.com (Klotz, Leigh) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:21:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Please use subject lines. Message-ID: <51B8ABCE456FD111899900805F6FD6EE146D8D8B@mercury.ADOC.xerox.com> A plea: Please use descriptive subject lines. Missing subject lines and and subjects such as "a question" and "spam" give no information. Thank you. From johnny at yahoo.com Tue Oct 14 16:38:32 2003 From: johnny at yahoo.com (johnny@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:38:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stamina RX Message-ID: <9d1a01c361e7$d39876f0$0316abcb@rfg> From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Tue Oct 14 16:44:18 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Tue Oct 14 16:44:03 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B05D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <000001c39293$f12f42c0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> > > I have never been able to train Spambayes using the web interface. > > > > I am using pop3proxy_service on a W2K server. When I go to > > the training page, it shows the mails that I have received > > that day and their classification. I make a few adjustments > > and click on the train button, but nothing happens. The > > browser (MS IE 6) reports that it it opening page > > http://server1:8880/review and the progress bar starts go > > increment, but only ever gets as far as 6 bars. > > Does this happen if you use a different browser? Does it > happen even if you try and train on a single message, and > have the rest set to "defer"? I havent tried a different browser, but I did try 1 message as a time and this worked. I then tried 2, 3, 4 and so on. It failed again when I got to 7, but I don't think its related to the number that I train on. It appears to be time related. If I spend too long looking through the list, choosing which ones are spam and ham, I get prompted with the login dialogue box after I press the train button. When the dialogue box appears again, training never works. If I choose quickly the the dialogue box doesn't appear and training works. I managed to train on 76, because I knew that only a few were spam and selected them quickly. Is there a timeout setting somewhere ? > > Are there any logs I can look at ? > > Yes, the service creates a log in the user's temp directory > (where 'user' depends on how the service is setup) called > SpamBayesService1.log (through to 5, IIRC). You could also > run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" and try and train, and any > error would print out to the console. > > > I think I read somewhere that if pop3proxy_service is > compiled into a > > exe that it logs to a log file, but if its run from the .py > source, it > > doesn't log. Is this correct ? > > Almost. If running from an .exe the log output is redirected > to a file, yes. If you run from the source, then any errors > will be printed to stdout or stderr, both probably the > console window you're running the source from. > Couldn't find any log file. Searched for spam* on the entire C drive, but still nothing. I ran the pop3proxy_service in debug while doing the above training, but it didn't report any errors. Alan From carlgroner at earthlink.net Tue Oct 14 17:13:19 2003 From: carlgroner at earthlink.net (Carl) Date: Tue Oct 14 17:13:58 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <000001c39293$f12f42c0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Alan Campbell > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 1:44 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs > > > > > I have never been able to train Spambayes using the web interface. > > > > > > I am using pop3proxy_service on a W2K server. When I go to > > > the training page, it shows the mails that I have received > > > that day and their classification. I make a few adjustments > > > and click on the train button, but nothing happens. The > > > browser (MS IE 6) reports that it it opening page > > > http://server1:8880/review and the progress bar starts go > > > increment, but only ever gets as far as 6 bars. > > > > Does this happen if you use a different browser? Does it > > happen even if you try and train on a single message, and > > have the rest set to "defer"? > > I havent tried a different browser, but I did try 1 message as a time > and this worked. I then tried 2, 3, 4 and so on. It failed again when > I got to 7, but I don't think its related to the number that I train on. > It appears to be time related. If I spend too long looking through the > list, choosing which ones are spam and ham, I get prompted with the > login dialogue box after I press the train button. When the dialogue > box appears again, training never works. If I choose quickly the the > dialogue box doesn't appear and training works. I managed to train on > 76, because I knew that only a few were spam and selected them quickly. > > Is there a timeout setting somewhere ? > > > > Are there any logs I can look at ? > > > > Yes, the service creates a log in the user's temp directory > > (where 'user' depends on how the service is setup) called > > SpamBayesService1.log (through to 5, IIRC). You could also > > run "pop3proxy_service.py debug" and try and train, and any > > error would print out to the console. > > > > > I think I read somewhere that if pop3proxy_service is > > compiled into a > > > exe that it logs to a log file, but if its run from the .py > > source, it > > > doesn't log. Is this correct ? > > > > Almost. If running from an .exe the log output is redirected > > to a file, yes. If you run from the source, then any errors > > will be printed to stdout or stderr, both probably the > > console window you're running the source from. > > > > Couldn't find any log file. Searched for spam* on the entire C drive, > but still nothing. I ran the pop3proxy_service in debug while doing the > above training, but it didn't report any errors. > > Alan > Hi Alan, Are you using the HTTP authentication in digest mode? Setting this to Basic seemed (so far) to have solved a similar problem for me. You may want to even experiment with disabling hhtp-auth. I do sometimes still have the problem when connecting with mozilla for some reason, but with ie 6 its seems to be working just fine now. You may want to take a look at my thread of what sounds like the same problem. RE: [Spambayes] web interface training problems... From spambayes at whateley.com Tue Oct 14 18:01:48 2003 From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:01:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Incorrect Header insertion Message-ID: <200310141501.48393.spambayes@whateley.com> Hi guys, I've received a few (3) email's that have had the spambayes header inserted into the text of the message instead of the header? Anybody else had this problem? Should I look into it? Thanks, Brendon. From dmcurd at wnclink.com Tue Oct 14 18:15:24 2003 From: dmcurd at wnclink.com (diane) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:15:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] multiple users of Outlook on Windows XP Message-ID: <000001c392a0$af0a5b20$0100a8c0@curd> Not sure where else to send this comment. I have two users on one machine using Windows XP, with separate Outlook accounts and mailboxes. I found that I had to "re-install" Spambayes while logged on to the second users account for it to actually catch the spam it attempted to train. It works great now. Diane Curd From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Oct 14 18:33:27 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:33:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] moving DB file In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C191@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B08E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > SpamBayes works great but it generates a substantial DB. It > seems to be hardcoded to be in Documents and Settings. I > would like to locate it elsewhere on my system. I can't find > any choice in the configuration files that would let me move > it. Is it possible? It looks like you're using the Outlook plug-in (if not, then say so and we can give you alternative instructions :). You need to read the configuration guide - go to the Help submenu on the SpamBayes toolbar, and go to the About link. On the page that opens, click the link to the configuration guide. Towards the bottom, there's information about moving the data directory. This should tell you all you need to know. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Oct 14 18:34:22 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:34:34 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] TypeError In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C104@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B08F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 77, in __setitem__ > self.dict[key] = f.getvalue() > > TypeError: object does not support item assignment Please read FAQ 5.5: =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Oct 14 18:36:34 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:36:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C1C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B090@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Compilation and installation went through > well but permissions to create a new database ".hammiedb" > requires root to do it. Kindly suggest how this can be done > by a user himself. Set spambayes to create a database somewhere that the user has permission. ~/.hammiedb should work, I would imagine. You're after the persistent_storage_name option. > And on running sb_filter.py, the user gets the error: > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 53, in ? > from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils > ImportError: No module named spambayes This looks like installation didn't go well after all. Do you have a "spambayes" directory in your Python site-packages directory? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Oct 14 18:39:21 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:39:28 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C229@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B091@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > For some reason, and quite frequently, my "spam" folder > simply disappears. Recently I had to reinstate it 3 times > within 15 minutes! It looks like you're using the Outlook plug-in - is that correct? Spambayes doesn't move any folders about, so shouldn't be able to do this. Are you should it's not being accidentally dragged into another folder, or something like that? (It's far too easy, IMO, to drag folders about in Outlook). > Also, after I do that, and filter the > folders, I'll get an e-mail from a "friend" one time into my > regular folder and within a few mintues that same "friend" > will be sent into spam. What's up? Spambayes doesn't work by addresses; it looks at the entire message. Have a look at the "Clues" (from the SpamBayes toolbar) for the messages - it should become apparent why the messages scored what they did (reading the information on the website about how spambayes works might be useful, too). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Tue Oct 14 18:42:52 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Tue Oct 14 18:42:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Incorrect Header insertion In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C260@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B092@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I've received a few (3) email's that have had the spambayes > header inserted into the text of the message instead of the header? > Anybody else had this problem? I recall seeing a few messages describing something like this before, but nothing recently. What spambayes application are you using? (sb_filter? sb_server? sb_imapfilter?) Are you using 1.0a6? The most likely cause is that the message is incorrectly formed, and spambayes is 'finding' the blank line between headers and body in the wrong place. > Should I look into it? Yes :) Probably the best plan is to open a bug tracker via sourceforge with your description, then add to it as you track it down. If you find the cause and can fix it, then add the patch to the tracker. One of the developers can then quickly check it in so that everyone benefits :) It also means that it won't get lost among list traffic. =Tony Meyer From shirley at carolina.rr.com Tue Oct 14 20:01:41 2003 From: shirley at carolina.rr.com (Shirley Barrett) Date: Tue Oct 14 20:01:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes Message-ID: I just downloaded Spambayes and tried to install it. I have Outlook 2000 and Windows XP. I disabled my firewall and also my Norton Antivirus. When it tried to install it, I got an error: Unable to register the DLL/OCX:D/registerserver failed, Code 0X000000 (not sure how many zeros it had)..... Has anyone else had a problem like this or am I doing something wrong that can tell? Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Shirley Barrett From prpeterson at bigpond.com Tue Oct 14 22:00:02 2003 From: prpeterson at bigpond.com (Paul Peterson) Date: Tue Oct 14 22:52:36 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes problems Message-ID: Hi I have been happily using SpamBayes for about a year but in the past couple of days it has failed to filter. The log file says... exceptions.AssertionError: pythoncom error: Python error invoking COM method. Traceback (most recent call last): File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 275, in _Invoke_ File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 280, in _invoke_ File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_ File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_ File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 203, in OnItemAdd File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 163, in ProcessMessage File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\filter.py", line 15, in filter_message File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 440, in score File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 217, in chi2_spamprob File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 465, in _getclues File "e:\src\spambayes\spambayes\classifier.py", line 316, in probability exceptions.AssertionError: SpamAddin - Disconnecting from Outlook Saving bayes database with 147 spam and 1464 good messages -> F:\Documents and Settings\paulp.ETSL03\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db -> F:\Documents and Settings\paulp.ETSL03\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db Addin terminating: 1 COM client and 2 COM servers exist. Is this associated with the virus issues I have been having lately or is it a separate problem?? Thanks Paul -- Using M2, Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 00:14:09 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 00:11:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C247@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B097@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Are you using the HTTP authentication in digest mode? > Setting this to Basic seemed (so far) to have solved a > similar problem for me. You may want to even experiment with > disabling hhtp-auth. I do sometimes still have the problem > when connecting with mozilla for some reason, but with ie 6 > its seems to be working just fine now. If you do find that the problem lies with HTTP-auth, digest or otherwise, it would be great if you could open a bug tracker about this, so that someone can fix it at some point. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 00:16:41 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 00:13:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] ExpatError/500 Server Error (imapfilter) In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13038C1213@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B098@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > After succesfull installation of python and spambayes I > started the imapfilter plugin from a dos prompt with the > command "sb_imapfilter.py -b". At "localhost:8880" I just > configured my IMAP server, username and password - nothing > else! When I tried to configure the folders I got the > well-known "NameError", so I closed imapfilter with "save & > shutdown" on the webinterface and restarted it again from > c:\python32\scripts with "sb_imapfilter.py -b". Then I tried > to configure the folders again, but I got the "ExpatError". I > also replaced ui_html.py with a fresh one from the archive, > but it didn't help. Am I doing something wrong? - I think so, > because it's all the same with my computer at home or with > the older version 1.0a5. I even tried another mailserver > (imap.web.de) - with the same result. So, where is the failure? I'm not sure - nothing sounds wrong. What happens if you run "sb_server.py -b"? You should get the POP3 proxy/sb_upload version of the web interface. If this works, then it must be sb_imapfilter.py or ImapUI.py that is editing the html and mucking it up somewhere. If it doesn't, then it's either the html_ui.py file, or UserInterface.py. =Tony Meyer From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Wed Oct 15 01:57:09 2003 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (jacob-spambayes-list@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Wed Oct 15 02:04:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem forcing database format In-Reply-To: <16268.19872.400027.812981@montanaro.dyndns.org> References: <2673.156.56.138.64.1066087960.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> <16268.19872.400027.812981@montanaro.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3559.12.223.226.167.1066197429.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Skip, > and don't see an AttributeError exception, you have bsddb[3]. Here's what I get: suslik% python Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 6 2003, 09:30:10) [C] on sunos5 Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>> import bsddb >>> print bsddb.__version__ 4.2.0 So, it looks like I do have it avaliable. How do I convince Spambayes to use it instead of dbhash? Thanks, Jacob From richie at entrian.com Wed Oct 15 03:08:21 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Wed Oct 15 03:08:31 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <000001c39293$f12f42c0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B05D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <000001c39293$f12f42c0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Message-ID: [Alan] > Is there a timeout setting somewhere ? You're quite right - there's a timeout of one minute, which seems far too small to me. I've changed it to twenty minutes (CVS Dibbler.py 1.8). It doesn't fix the underlying problem, but it should make it far less likely to occur. I've raised the underlying problem as bug number 823929. -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From kupjones at mm2k.net Wed Oct 15 03:50:20 2003 From: kupjones at mm2k.net (Steve, April, Lauren and Meagan) Date: Wed Oct 15 03:47:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Question about SpamBayes .81 Outlook plugin and scoring Message-ID: First, SpamBayes is Great! Love it, especially at the current price. Question: I've setup certain folders to display the "Spam" score. When I highlight a particular piece and click "Show Spam Clues", the displayed score is oftentimes different from that displayed in the folder view. Any clue here? Am I wrong in assuming that the two should be the same? Thanks! Steve Jones From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Wed Oct 15 08:36:27 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Wed Oct 15 08:36:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 RTM and SpamBayes 0.8.1 Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63330E@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Krulewitch, Sean [mailto:krulewit@myprivacy.iu.edu] > Sent: Dienstag, 14. Oktober 2003 21:56 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 RTM and SpamBayes 0.8.1 > > > I can't seem to get this to work. Has anyone had any luck with this? > > I can see the toolbar but it doesn't function. The addin is > not listed > with the COM Addins nor can I add it manually. I've tried > uninstalling > and reinstalling as well. > Hi, I don't think it's a COM-Addin, as I'm using a running SpamBayes Outlook Addin (with Outlook 2002 thought), but it's not listed in the COM-List either. Have you tried to look at the ist of disabled add-ins ? Here how to see this list (with outlook 2002): Menu Help->About->last button on screen: "disabled items". Furthermore, I read the addin is not functional if you didn't train at least 5 ham and 5 spam. but I think in this case at least the toolbar-menu would drop-down. greetz, Manuel From skip at pobox.com Wed Oct 15 09:46:30 2003 From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro) Date: Wed Oct 15 09:46:38 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem forcing database format In-Reply-To: <3559.12.223.226.167.1066197429.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> References: <2673.156.56.138.64.1066087960.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> <16268.19872.400027.812981@montanaro.dyndns.org> <3559.12.223.226.167.1066197429.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Message-ID: <16269.20406.383865.226841@montanaro.dyndns.org> Jacob> Here's what I get: Jacob> suslik% python Jacob> Python 2.3.2 (#1, Oct 6 2003, 09:30:10) [C] on sunos5 Jacob> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information. >>>> import bsddb >>>> print bsddb.__version__ Jacob> 4.2.0 Jacob> So, it looks like I do have it avaliable. How do I convince Jacob> Spambayes to use it instead of dbhash? It is using it. It's just that which_database.py had a bug. Skip From bergen.wilde at ddsynergy.ca Wed Oct 15 10:33:51 2003 From: bergen.wilde at ddsynergy.ca (Bergen Wilde) Date: Wed Oct 15 10:33:56 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Another review of Spambayes... so to speak Message-ID: <002601c39329$5acafae0$5902a8c0@ddsynergy.ca> This is the article where I found you. I found this article posted on www.fark.com. I will install at home immediately after work as my ___ is big enough. http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,60781,00.html Bergen Wilde Director, Business Development d.d.8synergy inc. +1 (613) 274-7026 - Tel +1 (613) 274-7018 - Fax bergen.wilde@ddsynergy.ca www.ddsynergy.ca d.d.8synergy is a solutions company specializing in SAP with a large focus on Data & Document Management (DQM & DLM) and Product Lifecycle Management (PLM). Our experience and methodology takes the RISK out of implementing SAP Data & Document Archiving and PLM Solutions by offering on-time and in-budget projects. From crossco207 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 15 12:10:38 2003 From: crossco207 at earthlink.net (Rick) Date: Wed Oct 15 12:10:42 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP Message-ID: <000501c39336$e1045360$0200a8c0@cross6j6p21jh2> I have been trying to find one of these files and in win 2000 these directories, at the bottom of this page, don't exist, or I don't know how to find them. I can find "default_bayes-customize.ini" and have tried to add: > [Filter] #Determines if unsure messages are marked as 'Read' as they are filtered. #See 'spam_mark_as_read' for more details. unsure_mark_as_read: True #Determines if spam messages are marked as 'Read' as they are filtered. #This can be set to 'True' if the new-mail icon bothers you when the #only new items are spam. It can be set to 'False' if you use the 'read' #state of these messages to determine which items you are yet to review. spam_mark_as_read: true > But it doesn't seem to work from that directory, I know it is porbably the wrong one. Can you help? Rick Insturctions: a.. default_configuration.ini in the SpamBayes application directory (ie, the directory where the application lives). By default, no such configuration file will exist. a.. default_configuration.ini in the directory \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\SpamBayes. By default, no such configuration file will exist. a.. SpamBayes then checks to see if a data_directory has been specified in a [General] section. If so, this is used as the SpamBayes data directory - otherwise, the \Documents and Settings\{username}\Application Data\SpamBayes directory is used. a.. {outlook-profile-name}.ini in the data directory. Using the name of the Outlook profile means that SpamBayes will work in a multi-profile environment. a.. The main SpamBayes databases are then loaded from the nominated data directory. From michael.w.moreken at lmco.com Wed Oct 15 13:44:52 2003 From: michael.w.moreken at lmco.com (Moreken, Michael W) Date: Wed Oct 15 13:45:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Lockup errors, etc. Message-ID: Hi, Getting a few errors. Mainly lockups with Outlook, where I get "not responding" errors when checking the task manager. I'm running MS Outlook 2000, (9.0.0.2711). SpamBytes is version 0.81 If I kill (close Outlook) I can then start Outlook again and it will work fine until locking up at some point later in the day (about 6 times per day). The program runs great when its working (not locking up Outlook). My errors seem very similar to: Request ID [ 797768 ] Outlook hangs after running SpamBayes and [ 770397 ] Outlook hangs during message download and [ 804364 ] Outlook hangs when receiving messages The data below shows when I try to poll for an update (doesn't work either). +++++++++++++++++++ Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\mmoreken\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 35 spam and 19 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.0.2195 (Service Pack 3) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Junk email Message 'Sign up for allergyrewards. Save up to $40.' had a Spam classification of 'Yes' Processing 1 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 1787.27ms Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\mmoreken\Application Data\SpamBayes\mike.ini Error checking the latest version Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 530, in CheckLatestVersion File "out1.pyz/spambayes.Version", line 145, in fetch_latest_dict File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 136, in urlopen File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 333, in open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 313, in _call_chain File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 849, in http_open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 834, in do_open URLError: ERROR: 'There was an error checking for the latest version\r\nFor specific details on the error, please see the SpamBayes log\r\n\r\nPlease check your internet connection, or try again later' Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 530, in CheckLatestVersion File "out1.pyz/spambayes.Version", line 145, in fetch_latest_dict File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 136, in urlopen File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 333, in open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 313, in _call_chain File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 849, in http_open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 834, in do_open URLError: Mike Moreken Have a Nice Day! From leotune at statisticalanomaly.com Wed Oct 15 13:56:09 2003 From: leotune at statisticalanomaly.com (leotune@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:03:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Serious Database Corruption Problems Message-ID: <4050.156.56.138.64.1066240569.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Hello everyone, I'm having a lot of trouble with what I think is database corruption. I've included the output I get from the program before, but from what I've read, an assertion error usually means the database is dead. As the FAQ suggests, I've tried both Bsddb[3] and Pickle formats, but after a few trainings, I always get this error. If I delete my databases and start over, then I'm fine for a few additional trainings, but the same thing happens. I'm getting a little frusturated with this. Is there something I can do to keep this from happening? Thanks, Jacob -------------------------------------------------------------------- suslik% ./sb_imapfilter.py -v -t -c SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003), using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). Loading state from hammie.db database hammie.db is an existing database, with 344 spam and 315 ham Loading database hammie.db... Done. Training Training ham folder INBOX.-Wanted ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 0 trained. Training ham folder INBOX .*........**. 3 trained. Training spam folder INBOX.-Spam *.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................************************************************ 49 trained. Persisting hammie.db state in database Training took 81.9990470409 seconds, 52 messages were trained Classifying ................*.Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 824, in ? run() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 814, in run imap_filter.Filter() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 675, in Filter self.unsure_folder) File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 594, in Filter evidence=True) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues prob = self.probability(record) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 245, in probability assert spamcount <= nspam AssertionError From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Wed Oct 15 14:01:07 2003 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (jacob-spambayes-list@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:09:01 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Ongoing Database Corruption Problems Message-ID: <4072.156.56.138.64.1066240867.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> Hello everyone, I'm having a lot of trouble with what I think is database corruption. I've included the output I get from the program before, but from what I've read, an assertion error usually means the database is dead. As the FAQ suggests, I've tried both Bsddb[3] and Pickle formats, but after a few trainings, I always get this error. If I delete my databases and start over, then I'm fine for a few additional trainings, but the same thing happens. I'm getting a little frusturated with this. Is there something I can do to keep this from happening? Thanks, Jacob -------------------------------------------------------------------- suslik% ./sb_imapfilter.py -v -t -c SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003), using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). Loading state from hammie.db database hammie.db is an existing database, with 344 spam and 315 ham Loading database hammie.db... Done. Training Training ham folder INBOX.-Wanted ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ 0 trained. Training ham folder INBOX .*........**. 3 trained. Training spam folder INBOX.-Spam *.......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................************************************************ 49 trained. Persisting hammie.db state in database Training took 81.9990470409 seconds, 52 messages were trained Classifying ................*.Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 824, in ? run() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 814, in run imap_filter.Filter() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 675, in Filter self.unsure_folder) File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 594, in Filter evidence=True) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues prob = self.probability(record) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 245, in probability assert spamcount <= nspam AssertionError From rayfes at rayfes.com Wed Oct 15 14:12:39 2003 From: rayfes at rayfes.com (Rayfes Mondal) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:12:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request Message-ID: Hello, First I want to say thank you for making such a wonderful product available to everyone! It has worked wonders for me. I have a small feature request though. I am using Outlook and my computer and speakers are always on but I leave my monitor off when I'm not using my computer. When I receive email I hear Outlook's new mail sound but I have no way of telling whether the message is spam or not without going to my computer and turning on the monitor. Is there any way to have SpamBayes play a sound every time is marks a message a spam and maybe a different sound for possible spam? That way if I hear a new message come in I could just wait a few seconds to hear whether it was marked spam. If I happen to get multiple messages at time I may miss realizing that some Ham messages came in with some spam but that's ok with me. What do you think? I think others might find that feature useful. Anyway, great product! I'm an engineer and found out about from EDN (Electronic Design News) magazine. Cheers! Rayfes From martin at dbg400.net Wed Oct 15 14:55:28 2003 From: martin at dbg400.net (Martin Rowe) Date: Wed Oct 15 14:55:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 'Connection timed out' problems Message-ID: <200310151955.28548.martin@dbg400.net> Hi all Following on from my database problem of a week or so ago, SpamBayes 1.06a has been working pretty much without problems. The one problem I've had, about three times now, has been on a timeout to my ISP's pop server. They (ntl) have been quite poor recently, so I should point out that I'm not blaming SpamBayes for the timeout ;) The problem is that once this error occurs, no email can be collected until sb_server.py is stopped and restarted. My question is then, can this timeout setting be monitored for, or maybe a larger delay set 'somewhere'? I don't even know if this is a problem in Python so not something you can directly address. I have seen this question asked recently (Aug 23rd), but I can't track down any answers to it. Regards, Martin mrowe@jamaro:~$ sb_server.py SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Beta3, version 0.3 (September 2003), using SpamBayes POP3 Proxy Web Interface Alpha3, version 0.03 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). Loading database... Listener on port 8110 is proxying pop.ntlworld.com:110 User interface url is http://localhost:8880/ error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel <__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x418079ac> (socket.error:(110, 'Connection timed out') [/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|handle_read|88] [/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|recv|353]) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 829, in ? run() File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 823, in run start(state=state) File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 763, in start main(state.servers, state.proxyPorts, state.uiPort, state.launchUI) File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 744, in main Dibbler.run(launchBrowser=launchUI) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 689, in run asyncore.loop(map=context._map) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 193, in loop poll_fun(timeout, map) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout) -- martin@dbg400.net AIM/Gaim: DBG400dotNet http://www.dbg400.net /"\ DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities - AS/400 / iSeries Open \ / Source free test environment tools and others (file/spool/misc) X Debian GNU/Linux | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail & news / \ From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Wed Oct 15 15:45:51 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Wed Oct 15 15:46:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633313@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Rayfes Mondal [mailto:rayfes@rayfes.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 20:13 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] feature request > > [...] > Is there any way to > have SpamBayes play a sound every time is marks a message a > spam and maybe a different sound for possible spam? That way > if I hear a new message come in I could just wait a few > seconds to hear whether it was marked spam. If I happen to > get multiple messages at time I may miss realizing that some > Ham messages came in with some spam but that's ok with me. It's far easier: If this feature is implemented, you could switch off outlook's sound for new mail, and spambayes sound for spam too. you would only hear a sound for every message spambayes declares as clean. Concerning this feature, it has been discussed here last week. I'll find that post in a jiffy: There it is: Tony Meyers answer to the same request on "[Spambayes] Outlook sound": > I've added this to [ 774978 ] Hide envelope icon when only spam received, since it's essentially the same thing. It *might* get added at some point :) In any case, you can monitor that tracker if you want to keep track of progress on the idea. > > From cmessina at umich.edu Wed Oct 15 18:04:19 2003 From: cmessina at umich.edu (Christopher Messina) Date: Wed Oct 15 18:04:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py - error when selecting training folders Message-ID: Hello. In trying to set up spambayes using imap, I encountered the following error when trying to "configure folders to train" on the imap web interface ===== 500 Server error Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 453, in fou nd_terminator getattr(plugin, name)(**params) File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ImapUI.py", line 214, in onTr ainingfolders self._login_to_imap() File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/ImapUI.py", line 195, in _log in_to_imap imap = IMAPSession(server, port) NameError: global name 'IMAPSession' is not defined ====== Is this a problem with how the spambayes install, the sb_imapfilter.py script, or my python install? Any help is greatly appreciated. -- Chris From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 19:03:55 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:01:05 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py - error when selecting training folders In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C449@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B09B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > In trying to set up spambayes using imap, I encountered the > following error when trying to "configure folders to train" > on the imap web interface [...] > NameError: global name 'IMAPSession' is not defined [...] > Is this a problem with how the spambayes install, the > sb_imapfilter.py script, or my python install? The sb_imapfilter.py script. This was fixed in cvs on the 29th of September, so will make it into the next release (probably out soon). For the moment, if you just stop imapfilter after entering in your server details, and then start it up again before selecting folders, that should work. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 19:10:03 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:07:09 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] HELP In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C43D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B09C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have been trying to find one of these files and in win 2000 these > directories, at the bottom of this page, don't exist, or I don't know how to > find them. In the 008.1 release, you can go to the advanced tab of the manager dialog and click "show data directory", and the data directory window will be opened for you. In there you should find the databases and the two config files. The directories it talks about are: * The program directory - this is the directory you chose when you ran the installer. If you left it as the default, it would probably be C:\Program Files\SpamBayes * The data directory. In Win2K, this should be something like C:\Documents and Settings\[username]\Application Data\SpamBayes > I can find "default_bayes-customize.ini" and have tried to add: The bayes_customize.ini file is for customization of the spambayes engine, not the plug-in. You need to add the options to the outlook.ini (possibly named after your profile, like profilename.ini). > [Filter] > #Determines if unsure messages are marked as 'Read' as they > are filtered. > #See 'spam_mark_as_read' for more details. > unsure_mark_as_read: True [...] > spam_mark_as_read: true Note that you can set these options via the GUI in the 008.1 release. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 19:18:18 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:15:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Serious Database Corruption Problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C443@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm having a lot of trouble with what I think is database corruption. > I've included the output I get from the program before, but > from what I've read, an assertion error usually means the database is dead. Yes - what this is saying is that you have a token that has appeared in more spam than you have trained, which is obviously impossible. > As the FAQ suggests, I've tried both Bsddb[3] and Pickle formats, but > after a few trainings, I always get this error. If I delete > my databases and start over, then I'm fine for a few additional trainings, > but the same thing happens. It's very strange that this happens with a pickle. To me, that sounds like this is an imapfilter bug, although not one I've seen reported before. > I'm getting a little frusturated with this. Is there > something I can do to keep this from happening? Do you do all your training with "sb_imapfilter.py -t"? Up until the assertion error, does the training always successfully complete? (i.e. it doesn't crash halfway through?) If you run db_expimp.py on your database to convert it to text ("db_expimp.py -e -d hammie.db -f hammie.txt" if it's a pickle) and open it up, what are the ham and spam counts at the top? (I suspect 0 for both). =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Wed Oct 15 19:21:46 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Wed Oct 15 19:18:58 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 'Connection timed out' problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C445@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B09E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > My question is then, can this timeout setting be monitored > for, or maybe a larger delay set 'somewhere'? I don't even know > if this is a problem in Python so not something you can directly > address. I have seen this question asked recently (Aug 23rd), but > I can't track down any answers to it. I remember that, and I think you're right and it hasn't been addressed yet. Would you be able to open a bug on sourceforge with the details? That way it will definitely be done at some point (sometimes things just get lost in the list traffic). There's definitely something that can be done about it - I would think that we should be able to catch the exception and restart the connection (passing along an error to the mail client), if nothing else. I think (but am not sure; Richie would know) that we can only change the timeout if the user has Python 2.3, but if that's the case, then we could offer it when it's available. =Tony Meyer From jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com Wed Oct 15 23:56:05 2003 From: jacob-spambayes-list at statisticalanomaly.com (jacob-spambayes-list@statisticalanomaly.com) Date: Thu Oct 16 00:03:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Serious Database Corruption Problems In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C443@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29AE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1376.12.223.226.167.1066276565.squirrel@webmail.linuxpowered.org> >> I'm getting a little frusturated with this. Is there >> something I can do to keep this from happening? > > Do you do all your training with "sb_imapfilter.py -t"? Up until the > assertion error, does the training always successfully complete? (i.e. > it doesn't crash halfway through?) Yes, I do all of my training that way. The training always completes, and then the program fails during classification. I've included a typical transcript below. Something worth making note of: it seems like, many times during training, it'll report that messages are trained when there are no new messages in that particular folder. > > If you run db_expimp.py on your database to convert it to text > ("db_expimp.py -e -d hammie.db -f hammie.txt" if it's a pickle) and open > it > up, what are the ham and spam counts at the top? (I suspect 0 for both). suslik% more hammie.txt 311,431, I can send you the whole file if it'd be useful. Thanks, Jacob ----------------------------------------------------------------------- suslik% ./sb_imapfilter.py -l 5 -c -t -v -d hammie.db SpamBayes IMAP Filter Beta1, version 0.1 (September 2003), using SpamBayes IMAP Filter Web Interface Alpha2, version 0.02 and engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003). Loading state from hammie.db pickle hammie.db is an existing pickle, with 310 ham and 417 spam Loading database hammie.db... Done. Training Training ham folder INBOX.-Wanted ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 0 trained. Training ham folder INBOX .*............ 1 trained. Training spam folder INBOX.-Spam *................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................************** 15 trained. Persisting hammie.db as a pickle Training took 35.0596210957 seconds, 16 messages were trained Classifying ................... Classified 0 ham, 0 spam, and 0 unsure. Classifying took 0.656105995178 seconds. Training Training ham folder INBOX.-Wanted ......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... 0 trained. Training ham folder INBOX .*............ 1 trained. Training spam folder INBOX.-Spam *.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................. 1 trained. Persisting hammie.db as a pickle Training took 29.7854119539 seconds, 2 messages were trained Classifying ..................*.Traceback (most recent call last): File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 824, in ? run() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 814, in run imap_filter.Filter() File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 675, in Filter self.unsure_folder) File "./sb_imapfilter.py", line 594, in Filter evidence=True) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 395, in _getclues prob = self.probability(record) File "/u/jpfarmer/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 245, in probability assert spamcount <= nspam AssertionError From janne.sinkkonen at hut.fi Thu Oct 16 03:18:48 2003 From: janne.sinkkonen at hut.fi (Janne Sinkkonen) Date: Thu Oct 16 03:18:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a6 buggies Message-ID: <200310161018.48133.janne.sinkkonen@hut.fi> First, python-version-independently, there is a slight inconsistency between the options of sb_dbexpimp.py and sb_filter.py. Look at this: sb_dbexpimp.py --help [...] -d: FN : name of pickled database file to use -D: FN : name of dbm database file to use sb_filter.py --help [...] -d DBFILE use database in DBFILE -D PICKLEFILE use pickle (instead of database) in PICKLEFILE This inconsistency is functional, not only in the documentation. Second, trying to prevent updating of the python in our mail server, I tried to run spambayes 1.0a6 with python 2.2 and observed the following: - The trick for True and False as written at the beginning of many files does not work. python 2.2 complains of a name error with False, after trapping the name error with True. This works, of course: try: True except NameError: # Maintain compatibility with Python 2.2 True, False = 1, 0 - I needed to add the trick to sb_filter.py and to Options.py, classifier.py, hammie.py, and storage.py to get sb_filter to work. Should I start submitting pathes somewhere? -- Janne From jspiteri at melitacable.com Thu Oct 16 05:33:20 2003 From: jspiteri at melitacable.com (Joe Spiteri) Date: Thu Oct 16 05:31:04 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Email box Message-ID: Have just downloaded your programm and am trying it out . Up to now I have excellent results .Congratulations . The junk email box will grow especially with the amount of spam I receive .What happens if I occasionally delete some of the messages in this box or do I have to keep all messages.. Regards Joe Spiteri Melita Cable plc Gasan Centre, Mriehel By- Pass, Mriehel.BKR 14 Malta Office (356) 2149 0006 Direct line (356) 2274 3115 Fax (356) 2274 5010 Office Email Address: jspiteri@melitacable.com < > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Spiteri [mailto:jspiteri@melitacable.com] > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 11:33 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Junk Email box > > The junk email box will grow especially with the amount of > spam I receive. > What happens if I occasionally delete some of the messages > in this box or do I have to keep all messages.. It's strongly recommended that you keep a backup of either your spam or your trained databases. In the rare case of a database-crash (or just by reinstalling your machine), you will be able to recover either by retraining the spam-folder or by restoring the database-files. It's sounds like if you were using the outlook-addin. In this case, the databse will be located most probably within C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\SpamBayes Unfortunately, I'm not able to figure out if this path is written somewhere in the registry, so it HAS to be there on Win2000 / WinXP - Systems. From john-esnp at yahoo.com Thu Oct 16 05:29:53 2003 From: john-esnp at yahoo.com (john-esnp@yahoo.com) Date: Thu Oct 16 07:14:21 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stamina-RX Message-ID: From bjorn at strakt.com Thu Oct 16 10:18:16 2003 From: bjorn at strakt.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Sandberg?=) Date: Thu Oct 16 10:18:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug in classifier.py Message-ID: I have just downloaded version 1.0a6.1, and after some tinkering got it to work properly with procmail. However, every time I get a "ham" message, the sb_filter script generates a traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/scripts/sb_filter.py", line 187, in ? main() File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/scripts/sb_filter.py", line 183, in main action(msg) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/scripts/sb_filter.py", line 120, in filter return h.filter(msg) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/hammie.py", line 109, in filter prob, clues = self._scoremsg(msg, True) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/hammie.py", line 38, in _scoremsg return self.bayes.spamprob(tokenize(msg), evidence) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py", line 158, in chi2_spamprob clues = self._getclues(wordstream) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py", line 397, in _getclues prob = self.probability(record) File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py", line 243, in probability assert hamcount <= nham Some debug printouts later, it seems that the token 'content-type:text/plain' is the bad guy - one of the 'ham' messages I used for training was a bounce message, which included the original email headers in the message body. The comments in classifier.py seem to indicate that this isn't a new issue either. So, I now have the peculiar circumstance that spam messages get sorted properly, but all unsure and ham messages crash the filter, and 'fall through' to my normal mail-processing rules. In other words, everything is working properly from _my_ point of view, though not necessarily from the filter's ... =) -- Bjorn From REMOVE_CAPS_temp02 at grinberg.info Thu Oct 16 12:18:30 2003 From: REMOVE_CAPS_temp02 at grinberg.info (Dennis Grinberg) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:18:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] No "recover from spam" button Message-ID: <20031016161832.UWCI8791.out003.verizon.net@laptop09> I am using Outlook 2003 and the SpamBayes Outlook plugin version 0.81 on XP Pro. The problem is that the "recover from spam" button is missing. I don't remember when it first disappeared but its appearance was intermittent for a while and it completely disappeared a couple of weeks ago. The "Delete as Spam" and "SpamBayes" buttons are still there. Except for the missing button, the program seems to be operating correctly. I tried 1. Deleting the SpamBayes toolbar (via right-click, customize, delete) and restarting but it did not work. 2. Exiting Outlook, deleting outcmd.dat and restarting but it didn't work. The contents of my log file follow: Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\dgrinberg\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db' Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and Settings\dgrinberg\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db' Bayes database initialized with 3369 spam and 140 good messages SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003) starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003)) on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1) using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug 6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit (Intel)] SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder Inbox SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder spam Processing 0 missed spam in folder 'Inbox' took 0.463746ms Creating new SpamBayes toolbar to host our buttons Does anyone have any suggestions? Thank you, Dennis From rayfes at rayfes.com Thu Oct 16 12:31:04 2003 From: rayfes at rayfes.com (Rayfes Mondal) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:31:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] feature request In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633313@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the quick response! I hope this feature gets implemented! Rayfes -----Original Message----- From: Dejonghe, Manuel [mailto:Manuel.Dejonghe@cycos.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 2:46 PM To: Rayfes Mondal; spambayes@python.org Subject: RE: [Spambayes] feature request > -----Original Message----- > From: Rayfes Mondal [mailto:rayfes@rayfes.com] > Sent: Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2003 20:13 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] feature request > > [...] > Is there any way to > have SpamBayes play a sound every time is marks a message a > spam and maybe a different sound for possible spam? That way > if I hear a new message come in I could just wait a few > seconds to hear whether it was marked spam. If I happen to > get multiple messages at time I may miss realizing that some > Ham messages came in with some spam but that's ok with me. It's far easier: If this feature is implemented, you could switch off outlook's sound for new mail, and spambayes sound for spam too. you would only hear a sound for every message spambayes declares as clean. Concerning this feature, it has been discussed here last week. I'll find that post in a jiffy: There it is: Tony Meyers answer to the same request on "[Spambayes] Outlook sound": > I've added this to [ 774978 ] Hide envelope icon when only spam received, since it's essentially the same thing. It *might* get added at some point :) In any case, you can monitor that tracker if you want to keep track of progress on the idea. > > From amos.pagnamenta at bluewin.ch Thu Oct 16 12:51:34 2003 From: amos.pagnamenta at bluewin.ch (Amos Pagnamenta) Date: Thu Oct 16 12:53:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: <000a01c39405$c236bb60$0201a8c0@A> Hello, I installed Spambayes on my pc, but when I start Outlook Express nothing happens and the program doesn't starts. Amos From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Thu Oct 16 13:17:21 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:17:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63332F@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Amos Pagnamenta [mailto:amos.pagnamenta@bluewin.ch] > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 18:52 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes > > I installed Spambayes on my pc, but when I start Outlook > Express nothing happens and the program doesn't starts. > Hi, first of all, it is important to know WHICH version of spambayes you installed. If you installed the Outlook-Addin, the resolutions is quite easy: The Outlook-AddIn does not work with Outlook Express, as stated in FAQ (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html) 2.1 The same FAQ shows you with which version else you can use your OutlookExpress: The pop3proxy or the imapfilter, where a beta release is (AFAIK) not yet available. greetz, Manuel From robertjperry at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 13:30:44 2003 From: robertjperry at comcast.net (Robert J. Perry) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:29:12 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk-e-mail Message-ID: <000b01c3940b$3bd8c940$6701a8c0@v0e1u4> To Whom It May Concern: Once something goes into from Junk Suspect to Junk e-mail by way of clicking on Delete As Spam, can it be deleted from the Junk e-mail directory? Thanks. Bob Robert Perry Director of Special Initiatives March of Dimes 4832 51st Ave SW Seattle, WA 98116-4330 Seattle Phone: 206-937-5441 Seattle FAX: 206-937-5439 New York Phone: 914-997-4784 New York FAX: 914-428-9366 E-Mail: bperry@marchofdimes.com or robertjperry@comcast.net From carlgroner at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 13:38:44 2003 From: carlgroner at earthlink.net (Carl) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:39:28 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs In-Reply-To: <002301c3940a$db5461b0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Message-ID: FYI, I believe this problem has already been logged in the tracker as: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=823929&group_id=617 02&atid=498103 > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Campbell [mailto:alan@mullen.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 10:28 AM > To: 'Carl' > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Training via web interface hangs > > > > Actually, you would need to configure the authentication > > method in the spambayes configuration. When you connect to > > the web interface, select configuration and check your > > settings for 'HTTP Authentication'. If the Digest option is > > selected there, try changing it to Basic. I was having a > > problem similar to what you reported and making this change > > seemed to work for me. > > > > Hope this helps, > > Carl. > > > > Thanks. > > I was looking for a HTTP authentication setting in IE. I had forgoten > about the setting in Spambayes config. I rememered it after reading > your email. > > I have switched it off and that has worked. I will experiment with the > basic version. > > One again, thanks for you assistance. > > Alan > From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Thu Oct 16 13:47:44 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Thu Oct 16 13:47:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Junk-e-mail Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633330@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> It's hilarious, I replied to almost the same question this morning ;-) It's in "[Spambayes] Junk Email box" > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert J. Perry [mailto:robertjperry@comcast.net] > Sent: Donnerstag, 16. Oktober 2003 19:31 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Junk-e-mail > > Once something goes into from Junk Suspect to Junk e-mail by > way of clicking > on Delete As Spam, can it be deleted from the Junk e-mail directory? > I know, it's not exactly the answer on your question, but we'll get it: ----------8<------------------ It's strongly recommended that you keep a backup of either your spam or your trained databases. In the rare case of a database-crash (or just by reinstalling your machine), you will be able to recover either by retraining the spam-folder or by restoring the database-files. It's sounds like if you were using the outlook-addin. In this case, the databse will be located most probably within C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\SpamBayes Unfortunately, I'm not able to figure out if this path is written somewhere in the registry, so it HAS to be there on Win2000 / WinXP - Systems. ---------->8------------------ yes, every mail can be deleted once trained and classified / moved. regards, Manuel From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 16 17:30:47 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 16 17:27:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 1.0a6 buggies In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C5C6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > First, python-version-independently, there is a slight inconsistency > between the options of sb_dbexpimp.py and sb_filter.py. Look at this: [...] > This inconsistency is functional, not only in the documentation. This was brought up a while ago on spambayes-dev. It is a bad thing, and will probably be fixed at some point - probably not until after 1.0 comes out, though, since we've frozen the 1.0 branch at the moment apart from bug fixes, and this might break people's configurations. Ideally, people should use the config file to specify whether they want to use a pickle or not. It's likely (from the spambayes-dev discussion) that the options will change to -p for a pickle (with the filename immediately after it), and -d for one of the dbms (again, with a filename immediately after it). > Second, trying to prevent updating of the python in our mail > server, I tried to run spambayes 1.0a6 with python 2.2 and > observed the > following: > > - The trick for True and False as written at the beginning of > many files does not work. python 2.2 complains of a name > error with False, > after trapping the name error with True. This works, of course: This was reported a week or so ago, and has been fixed in cvs. Hopefully a new version will be out soon, which will incorporate these fixes (and others). > Should I start submitting pathes somewhere? Yes, but not for these . The right place is at sourceforge: . You can either ask the list whether it's known yet or not, or just open the patch tracker and if it's already done one of the developers will close it. Probably the easiest way to check is to look at the copy of the changelog that's in CVS (especially once anonymous cvs is back up to speed) which should mention anything significant (note that there are two sections that are being updated at the moment - the one for 1.1a1 and the one for 1.0a7). Alternatively you could google through the recent posts on the checkins list. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 16 18:05:39 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:02:46 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Bug in classifier.py In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C698@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I have just downloaded version 1.0a6.1, and after some > tinkering got it to work properly with procmail. However, > every time I get a "ham" message, the sb_filter script > generates a traceback: [...] > File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py", line > 243, in probability > assert hamcount <= nham This means that the database is no longer good, i.e. that you have seen a ham token - "content-type:text/plain", in more ham messages than you have trained on. > Some debug printouts later, it seems that the token > 'content-type:text/plain' is the bad guy - one of the 'ham' > messages I used for training was a bounce message, which > included the original email headers in the message body. The > comments in classifier.py seem to indicate that this isn't a > new issue either. Do you mean that if you train on this message you get the "content-type:text/plain" token incremented twice, and not once? A token should only ever be incremented once per message, no matter how many times it appears. If this is the case, then it's a serious bug. In any case, the solution is to either retrain from scratch, or to flatten your database to a text file (sb_dbexpimp.py), fix the totals at the top, and then unflatten it again. =Tony Meyer From richie at entrian.com Thu Oct 16 18:24:51 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:24:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 'Connection timed out' problems In-Reply-To: <200310151955.28548.martin@dbg400.net> References: <200310151955.28548.martin@dbg400.net> Message-ID: [Martin] > The one problem I've had, > about three times now, has been on a timeout to my ISP's pop server. > [...] > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > <__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x418079ac> (socket.error:(110, > 'Connection timed out') [/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|handle_read|88] > [/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|recv|353]) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 829, in ? > run() > [...] > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll > r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout) That's a strange traceback - the initial exception message reports the location of the exception as "asyncore.py|recv|353" (ie. line 353 of asyncore.py in the function 'recv') but the last line of the traceback points to line 108, in the function 'poll'. Sorry to ask what is probably a dumb question, but are you sure that's the entire traceback? And were those two sections (the "asyncore.py|recv|353" message and the traceback) printed at the same time? -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From richie at entrian.com Thu Oct 16 18:44:14 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Thu Oct 16 18:44:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Wiki now available Message-ID: Hello all, I've just set up a SpamBayes Wiki at http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki A Wiki is a collaborative website that anyone and everyone can edit online. The SpamBayes Wiki exists to let the users and developers of SpamBayes cooperate to develop documentation, share tips and recipes, and generally help each other out. Anyone can add or edit content there - see the "How to contribute" section on the home page. The sort of content I'd like to see on the Wiki includes: o Documentation - ours is poor, we know, and there's a lot of inertia involved in improving it because contributors have to go via a developer with CVS privileges to make changes. Editing the Wiki is trivially easy. o Hints and tips - for instance, people with unusual email clients, or unusual setups, can document the ways they've made SpamBayes work for them. o Scripts and recipes - wrapper scripts, procmail recipes, clever tricks, anything like that can have a page on the Wiki. o Whatever takes your fancy - anything you think is relevant to the SpamBayes community. Please get involved! 8-) -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From Jim_P at mad.scientist.com Thu Oct 16 19:02:14 2003 From: Jim_P at mad.scientist.com (Jim P.) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:02:25 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] question Message-ID: <3F8F2376.9BF134A8@mad.scientist.com> Dear Sir: I am a Netscape 4.7 user on Windows 98 SE Will Spambytes work with it and if so what do I need to do? Thanks Jim P From hank at marinar.com Thu Oct 16 19:07:21 2003 From: hank at marinar.com (Adam Henry) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:07:24 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject Message-ID: <20031016230721.GT32674@hank.marinar.com> Hello, I'm using Spambayes-1.0a6.1 with Python-2.3.2, and have a question about how the configuration option "notate_subject:" works. In the release notes for a5, it was mentioned by Richie Hindle that this option takes "a comma-seperated list of one or more of 'spam', 'ham' and 'unsure'." Can anyone post an example of proper usage? This is what I get: Option file: [Headers] notate_subject: spam, ham, unsure ======== # cat cur/1066339702.H151802P21376.2,S | sb_filter.py -d spambayes.db Attempted to set [Headers] notate_subject with invalid value ('spam,', 'ham,', 'unsure') () Return-path: Envelope-to: test@marinar.com Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:22 -0400 Received: from mail by intrepid.marinar.com with default_spambayes (Exim 4.22) id 1AAFfR-0005Ye-T8 for test@marinar.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:22 -0400 Received: from pf-pvlle-oh-01.marinar.com ([209.176.254.251] helo=hank.marinar.com) by intrepid.marinar.com with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAFfR-0005Ya-Rd for test@marinar.com; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:21 -0400 Received: from ahank by hank.marinar.com with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1AAFfR-0006Gh-00 for ; Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:21 -0400 Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:28:21 -0400 From: Adam Henry To: test@marinar.com Subject: test Message-ID: <20031016212821.GR32674@hank.marinar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: Adam Henry X-Spambayes-Classification: unsure; 0.2686 ======== If I run this with "notate_subject:" set to just "unsure", I don't get this error, but the subject isn't modified. Does this only work with the POP3 Proxy? Thanks for any help, I can't wait to get this working! |nank From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Thu Oct 16 19:17:28 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Thu Oct 16 19:14:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C7BE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > I'm using Spambayes-1.0a6.1 with Python-2.3.2, and have a > question about how the configuration option "notate_subject:" > works. In the release notes for a5, it was mentioned by > Richie Hindle that this option takes "a comma-seperated list > of one or more of 'spam', 'ham' and 'unsure'." Can anyone > post an example of proper usage? This is what I get: Hmm. What happens if you use the web interface (sb_server.py) to set this option intead? What do you end up with in your config file? Note that you shouldn't use ", " as the separator - it's guessing that " " is the separator, and that the comma is part of the first two items. Use " " *or* ",", not both. This might be the problem, although I suspect not. The web interface should get it right, anyway. > If I run this with "notate_subject:" set to just "unsure", I > don't get this error, but the subject isn't modified. Does > this only work with the POP3 Proxy? Sorry, yes. Why do you need to use it if you aren't using the POP3 proxy? It's really better if you use a header instead. Note that there's a bug tracker open with a summary something like "hammie.py adds headers differently to other apps". When that's closed (which could be a wee way off), then this will also be resolved. =Tony Meyer From papaDoc at videotron.ca Thu Oct 16 13:15:37 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Thu Oct 16 21:18:35 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes In-Reply-To: <000a01c39405$c236bb60$0201a8c0@A> References: <000a01c39405$c236bb60$0201a8c0@A> Message-ID: <3F8ED239.1080102@videotron.ca> Hi, Outlook Express don't work with the plug-ing, you must start the sb_server.py See the FAQ (item 2.1) http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express Amos Pagnamenta wrote: >Hello, > >I installed Spambayes on my pc, but when I start Outlook Express nothing happens and the program doesn't starts. > >Amos >_______________________________________________ >Spambayes@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes >Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html > > > From martin at dbg400.net Fri Oct 17 03:20:34 2003 From: martin at dbg400.net (Martin Rowe) Date: Fri Oct 17 03:21:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] 'Connection timed out' problems In-Reply-To: References: <200310151955.28548.martin@dbg400.net> Message-ID: <200310170820.35067.martin@dbg400.net> On Thursday 16 October 2003 23:24, Richie Hindle wrote: > [Martin] > > > The one problem I've had, > > about three times now, has been on a timeout to my ISP's pop server. > > [...] > > error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel > > <__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0x418079ac> > > (socket.error:(110, 'Connection timed out') > > [/usr/lib/python2.3/asynchat.py|handle_read|88] > > [/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py|recv|353]) Hi Richie It's okay so far > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 829, in ? > > run() > > [...] > > File "/usr/lib/python2.3/asyncore.py", line 108, in poll > > r, w, e = select.select(r, w, e, timeout) but that shouldn't have been included :( > That's a strange traceback - the initial exception message reports the > location of the exception as "asyncore.py|recv|353" (ie. line 353 of > asyncore.py in the function 'recv') but the last line of the traceback > points to line 108, in the function 'poll'. Sorry to ask what is > probably a dumb question, but are you sure that's the entire traceback? > And were those two sections (the "asyncore.py|recv|353" message and > the traceback) printed at the same time? Ignore the second bit - that's down to user ignorance. I had to Ctrl-C to stop sb_server.py, and that generates the second part of the traceback. As I've not stopped a happily running instance of sb_server.py before, I hadn't noticed that it generates the second set anyway (which I found out just now). Thanks for the pointer - I'd better get the bug report tidied up... Regards, Martin -- martin@dbg400.net AIM/Gaim: DBG400dotNet http://www.dbg400.net /"\ DBG/400 - DataBase Generation utilities - AS/400 / iSeries Open \ / Source free test environment tools and others (file/spool/misc) X Debian GNU/Linux | ASCII Ribbon Campaign against HTML mail & news / \ From sourceforge at rodland.no Fri Oct 17 04:45:15 2003 From: sourceforge at rodland.no (Fredrik Rodland) Date: Fri Oct 17 04:45:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] question In-Reply-To: <3F8F2376.9BF134A8@mad.scientist.com> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Jim P. > Sent: 17. oktober 2003 01:02 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] question > > Dear Sir: > > I am a Netscape 4.7 user on Windows 98 SE > > Will Spambytes work with it and if so what do I need to do? the short answer: yes the long? answer: (the following is included in all emails on the list) Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html from the FAQ: http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#what-clients-will-spambayes-work-w ith-in-general Users limited to POP3/IMAP communications to the server can use the POP3 or IMAP proxies which are part of the SpamBayes source. follow the links in the previous sentence, and youall find all the information you need. Fredrik -- Fredrik Rodland Technical Architect, Stocknet, Oslo, Norway Stocknet: http://www.stocknet.com phone: +47 23 28 40 17 Private: http://rodland.no phone: +47 99 21 98 17 From gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in Fri Oct 17 09:09:07 2003 From: gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in (K. H. Gowranga) Date: Fri Oct 17 09:07:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B090@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Hello, On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, Tony Meyer wrote: > > Compilation and installation went through > > well but permissions to create a new database ".hammiedb" > > requires root to do it. Kindly suggest how this can be done > > by a user himself. > > Set spambayes to create a database somewhere that the user has permission. > ~/.hammiedb should work, I would imagine. You're after the > persistent_storage_name option. File ~/.spambayesrc containing the following 3 lines is in place [Storage] persistent_use_database = True persistent_storage_file = ~/.hammie.db > > > And on running sb_filter.py, the user gets the error: > > Traceback (most recent call last): > > File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 53, in ? > > from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils > > ImportError: No module named spambayes > > This looks like installation didn't go well after all. Do you have a > "spambayes" directory in your Python site-packages directory? > "spambayes" directory exists very much in Python site-packages directory. While installation of spambayes-1.06a and spambayes-1.05a was not possible at all on AIX 4.3.2 (with Python 2.3), spambayes-1.04a gave error on using the following command after installation python hammie.py -g '/var/spool/mail/gowranga' -s '~gowranga/mail/spam' -d '~gowranga/.hammie.db' Traceback (most recent call last): File "hammie.py", line 4, in ? import spambayes.hammiebulk File "/home/gowranga/src/spambayes/spambayes/hammiebulk.py", line 62, in ? DEFAULTDB = os.path.expanduser(options.hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file) AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute 'hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file' Kindly suggest a solution to this. Thanks in advance. -gowranga From hardin at texas.net Fri Oct 17 10:27:10 2003 From: hardin at texas.net (John Hardin) Date: Fri Oct 17 10:27:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2002 add-in -- training ignores messages? Message-ID: <014c01c394ba$c3990840$03a8a8c0@TOPDOG> I have 3000+ "ham" messages in my Inbox, and 1300+ "spam" messages in my SpamAssassin folder. I've specified these 2 folders as SpamBayes' "Folders with known good messages" and "Folders with spam or other junk messages" folders, and yet after training (with "Rebuild entire database" checked) it only lists a *fraction* of these messages in the statistics on the General tab (100s of good messages, and 10s of bad messages -- it says I need to train with more messages!). It's as if it's ignoring the vast majority of these messages -- both good and bad (but seems to ignore more bad than good). Any ideas what's going on? I'm running Outlook 2002 on Windows XP Pro -- all the latest patches and service packs. Thanks in advance for any/all assistance. Have a great day! -jwh From hank at marinar.com Fri Oct 17 11:53:39 2003 From: hank at marinar.com (Adam Henry) Date: Fri Oct 17 11:53:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C7BE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <20031017155339.GY32674@hank.marinar.com> On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 12:17:28PM +1300, Tony Meyer wrote: > Hmm. What happens if you use the web interface (sb_server.py) to set this > option intead? What do you end up with in your config file? Note that you > shouldn't use ", " as the separator - it's guessing that " " is the > separator, and that the comma is part of the first two items. Use " " *or* > ",", not both. This might be the problem, although I suspect not. The web > interface should get it right, anyway. Thanks. Using spaces as the delimiter doesn't produce an error. > > If I run this with "notate_subject:" set to just "unsure", I > > don't get this error, but the subject isn't modified. Does > > this only work with the POP3 Proxy? > > Sorry, yes. Why do you need to use it if you aren't using the POP3 proxy? > It's really better if you use a header instead. I need both pop3 and imap to get this spam filtering working in a production environment. Since the imap proxy is not recommended for such use (I'm not sure about the stability of the pop3 proxy), I need to implement a solution that doesn't rely on these servers. One that I am thinking about is just using an Exim router/transport much like the Procmail setup, and Courier IMAP to upload Spam/Ham to folders which are examined by a Cron script. While it may be better to use a header instead, I still need Subject modification for quick spam identification, and my clients have come to expect this (the same clients that don't know what an email header is). Believe me: I don't enjoy the idea of modifying an existing header either, but it would be a task too daunting to re-educate everyone. > Note that there's a bug tracker open with a summary something like > "hammie.py adds headers differently to other apps". When that's closed > (which could be a wee way off), then this will also be resolved. What happened to hammie.py? Is it distributed separate from the main archive, now? I plan to use sb_filter.py for Exim/Procmail, and sb_mboxtrain.py for Cron to learn from spam/ham examples. Regardless, you're saying that there's an open ticket which would fix my dilemma? Iff true, this alone would allow me to switch from SA to SB. Learning Python seems like fun, maybe I'll idle the devel list and see if there's anything I can do to help. I greatly appreciate your assistance, Tony. Have a great weekend. hank From lmotheral at cavalryconstruction.com Fri Oct 17 12:11:43 2003 From: lmotheral at cavalryconstruction.com (Lynn Motheral) Date: Fri Oct 17 12:10:58 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mistake Message-ID: <000a01c394c9$5b0b2420$03000004@168.254.254.stonegate> I deleted the suspect folder and I would like to know what I should do? R. Lynn Motheral C.G.R. Cavalry Construction Inc. (DFW) (817) 589-8599 From united at computerdudes.net Fri Oct 17 13:30:19 2003 From: united at computerdudes.net (Jason Soled) Date: Fri Oct 17 13:34:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] one more feature Message-ID: <000001c394d4$62a64fb0$0502a8c0@puppy1> I love Spambayes. I have one thing that I wish you would add at some point... I'd like to forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov in some automated fashion once Spambayes has identified and moved it. I'm sure you would have some ideas on this. The best way I can think of is that a future version of Spambayes could be given the capability to put messages in a category. I would then use the rules wizard to find messages with that category and forward them as they arrive, then delete them. Keep up the good work! From john-kwik at yahoo.com Fri Oct 17 13:10:32 2003 From: john-kwik at yahoo.com (john-kwik@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Oct 17 13:40:12 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stamina-RX Message-ID: <120301c394d1$92b866a0$bea0bb17@qwxi> From papaDoc at videotron.ca Fri Oct 17 14:12:51 2003 From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc) Date: Fri Oct 17 14:11:19 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] one more feature In-Reply-To: <000001c394d4$62a64fb0$0502a8c0@puppy1> References: <000001c394d4$62a64fb0$0502a8c0@puppy1> Message-ID: <3F903123.6030203@videotron.ca> Hi, If you are using linux you can do that with procmail Procmail will use sb_filter to check if the mail is spam or ham then if it is spam. It can be forwarded to an email address or a directory or even both. >I'd like to forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov in some automated fashion once >Spambayes has identified and moved it. I'm sure you would have some ideas on >this. The best way I can think of is that a future version of Spambayes >could be given the capability to put messages in a category. > Remi From united at computerdudes.net Fri Oct 17 16:03:32 2003 From: united at computerdudes.net (Jason Soled) Date: Fri Oct 17 16:07:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] one more feature In-Reply-To: <3F903123.6030203@videotron.ca> Message-ID: <020a01c394e9$bf7a9b00$0502a8c0@puppy1> I have Outlook / Windoze 2000. -----Original Message----- From: papaDoc [mailto:papaDoc@videotron.ca] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:13 PM To: Jason Soled; spambayes@python.org Subject: Re: [Spambayes] one more feature Hi, If you are using linux you can do that with procmail Procmail will use sb_filter to check if the mail is spam or ham then if it is spam. It can be forwarded to an email address or a directory or even both. >I'd like to forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov in some automated fashion >once Spambayes has identified and moved it. I'm sure you would have >some ideas on this. The best way I can think of is that a future >version of Spambayes could be given the capability to put messages in a >category. > Remi From cbateman at lmltechnologies.com Fri Oct 17 18:07:01 2003 From: cbateman at lmltechnologies.com (Craig Bateman) Date: Fri Oct 17 18:06:40 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: <618E6A93087FD011A32F00A024D618326853B8@lmrvfs01.lmltechnologies.com> I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find it's a very good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & "blacklist" certain addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist anything that comes in through my corporate exchange email to remain in my inbox, regardless of what it is. Is this a limitation of spambayes in general or just the plugin? If the former, are there any plans to do something like this? I am also a pseudo-skilled python developer, I use it strictly for automating processes at work (such as code check-out, build, in-house deployment to multiple locations, etc.). If you're in the market for another developer and have some specific tasks in mind that need to be done, I'm may be able to help. Let me know. Craig Bateman Project Manager LML Technologies 916.784.8566 ext 528 cbateman@lmltechnologies.com From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Fri Oct 17 19:43:24 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Fri Oct 17 19:43:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mistake Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633347@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Motheral [mailto:lmotheral@cavalryconstruction.com] > Sent: Freitag, 17. Oktober 2003 18:12 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Mistake > > > I deleted the suspect folder and I would like to know what I > should do? > I can only help you in the case you are using the Spambayes Outlook Addin, altough my "instructions" may be valid for the other flavours - I just dunno. First to clarify: To ensure Spambayes operation, you just need to recreate that folder again and be sure it's still set up as the folder for possible spam. You may assign another folder name, as you have to go to the options page anyway. If you ever wanted to rename that folder: It's a great opportunity to do it now. To get your mails back, you may have a look at the "Deleted Items" (which is valid for imap4-access too probably). You don't have to worry about the fact you just lost some knowledge: spambayes stores the spam/ham-information somewhere else in a small database (C:\Documents and Settings\\Application Data\Spambayes or something like that). You'll find details in the troubleshooting guide or the faq, or maybe in the newly installed Wiki (http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki). You should anyhow ensure to keep a backup of either this database or your classified spam/ham to be able to restore spambayes "knowledge" after a huge fuck-up. regards, Manuel From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Fri Oct 17 19:56:07 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Fri Oct 17 19:56:13 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633348@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Bateman [mailto:cbateman@lmltechnologies.com] > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 00:07 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > > I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find > it's a very > good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & > "blacklist" certain > addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist anything that comes in > through my corporate exchange email to remain in my inbox, > regardless of what it is. First of all (and just for fun): If you corporate email looks that much like spam, you may have a look at the local help-wanted ads in newspapers ;-) > Is this a limitation of spambayes in general or > just the plugin? There is a very nifty workaround (especially with outlook) to do your job: find the option "filter timer" in the advanced tab of your spambayes-manager (in the dropdown-menu from the spambayes toolbar). If you set up a delay of 2 seconds and an interval of one second, outlook is capabale to apply a mailbox rule on this item. This is how I'm doing for some talkative (but important) mailing lists. move them to another inbox-subfolder (they will be kept "unread" and a blue counter will notify you). > If the former, are there any plans to do something like this? Why should it ? This workaround is just nice. I don't think spambayes should do something else than bayesian filter. > > I am also a pseudo-skilled python developer, I use it strictly for > automating processes at work (such as code check-out, build, in-house > deployment to multiple locations, etc.). If you're in the market for > another developer and have some specific tasks in mind that > need to be done, > I'm may be able to help. Let me know. I'm pretty sure the actual developers will do ;-) nice weekend to everyone, Manuel From dave at dnh.sk.ca Fri Oct 17 20:25:08 2003 From: dave at dnh.sk.ca (Dave Hall) Date: Fri Oct 17 20:28:57 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633348@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> References: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633348@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> Message-ID: <20031018002508.GA333@dnh.sk.ca> On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 01:56:07AM +0200, Dejonghe, Manuel wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig Bateman [mailto:cbateman@lmltechnologies.com] > > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 00:07 > > To: spambayes@python.org > > Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > > > > > I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find > > it's a very > > good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & > > "blacklist" certain > > addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist anything that comes in > > through my corporate exchange email to remain in my inbox, > > regardless of what it is. > > First of all (and just for fun): If you corporate email looks that much > like spam, you may have a look at the local help-wanted ads in > newspapers ;-) On a more serious note, I believe a whitelist function is definitely useful. Some e-mail like Bruce Schneier's cryptogram almost univerally gets classified as high spam probability probably because of the topics discussed. I think I recall seeing some other examples of false positives discussed that do have many spam-like characteristics. I don't think the function belongs in spambayes classification mechanics, but in components that are acting as a delivery agent that may be an appropriate place. I can do this with procmail, I don't know how Outlook works so I don't know if the plugin would need to do it. -- Dave =============================================================== | <- You must be smarter than this stick to ride the Internet -Mike Handler =============================================================== From mhammond at skippinet.com.au Fri Oct 17 21:11:38 2003 From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond) Date: Fri Oct 17 21:11:29 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer In-Reply-To: <618E6A93087FD011A32F00A024D618326853B8@lmrvfs01.lmltechnologies.com> Message-ID: <042201c39514$c9643ce0$f502a8c0@eden> > I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find > it's a very > good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & > "blacklist" certain > addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist anything that comes in > through my corporate exchange email to remain in my inbox, > regardless of > what it is. Is this a limitation of spambayes in general or > just the plugin? > If the former, are there any plans to do something like this? There are no plans. See Manuel's reply for a workaround, but my position now is that as this is a commonly requested feature, and I can not continue to say it isn't needed or useful. Therefore, I'd be happy to accept patches to implement this, and help someone with general direction etc. However, I'm very unlikely to add it myself. > I am also a pseudo-skilled python developer, I use it strictly for > automating processes at work (such as code check-out, build, in-house > deployment to multiple locations, etc.). If you're in the market for > another developer and have some specific tasks in mind that > need to be done, > I'm may be able to help. Let me know. Well there you go :) If you can provide a nice implementation, many people would agree that it would make a nice addition. Mark. From lyle.lylem at verizon.net Sat Oct 18 08:55:04 2003 From: lyle.lylem at verizon.net (Lyle Moses) Date: Sat Oct 18 08:55:10 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stymied at the outset... Message-ID: <000801c39577$0d4ca700$3f8a0704@LyleMosesMD> I would like to download/install Spambayes, but I'm afraid I'm a bit confused by your website info (not my usual situation!). I use WinXPHome/Outlook Express. Your FAQ 2.1 doesn't really answer my question regarding Outlook Express...do I need to first install Python 2.3 before Spambayes? Is Spambayes appropriate for use with Outlook Express? Thank you. Lyle Moses From dalowrey at cox.net Sat Oct 18 09:21:04 2003 From: dalowrey at cox.net (Dennis Lowrey) Date: Sat Oct 18 09:20:00 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] You must enable SpamBayes before you can send a message to Spam Message-ID: This is what I get at home when I click the "delete as spam" button. My system is XP home. I have this at work and I've done the same install here. I can't find this addressed in the FAQs. Thanks Dennis @ home -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: winmail.dat Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 1512 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031018/8f7d9b90/winmail-0001.bin From richie at entrian.com Sat Oct 18 09:43:36 2003 From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle) Date: Sat Oct 18 09:43:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stymied at the outset... In-Reply-To: <000801c39577$0d4ca700$3f8a0704@LyleMosesMD> References: <000801c39577$0d4ca700$3f8a0704@LyleMosesMD> Message-ID: Hi Lyle, > do I need to first install Python 2.3 before Spambayes? > Is Spambayes appropriate for use with Outlook Express? Yes and yes. The README in the distribution, and online at: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/Outlook2000/README.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain has full instructions. You might find (or contribute!) more information on the Wiki at: http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki -- Richie Hindle richie@entrian.com From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Sat Oct 18 10:38:28 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Sat Oct 18 10:38:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] You must enable SpamBayes before you can send a messageto Spam Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63334A@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Lowrey > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 15:21 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] You must enable SpamBayes before you can > send a messageto Spam > > > This is what I get at home when I click the "delete as spam" > button. My system is XP home. > > I have this at work and I've done the same install here. I > can't find this addressed in the FAQs. Thanks you haven't probably trained at least 5 spam and ham messages, so spambayes stays inactive. To do this, move the mail to the Spam-Folder by hand. As soon as you collected 5 spam messages, go to the configuration and train on them. See FAQ 3.7 (http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-n eed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out) happy spam-killing, Manuel From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Sat Oct 18 11:47:48 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Sat Oct 18 11:47:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63334B@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Hall [mailto:dave@dnh.sk.ca] > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 02:25 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 01:56:07AM +0200, Dejonghe, Manuel wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Craig Bateman [mailto:cbateman@lmltechnologies.com] > > > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 00:07 > > > To: spambayes@python.org > > > Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > > > > > I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find > > > it's a very > > > good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & > > > "blacklist" certain > > > addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist anything > that comes in > > > through my corporate exchange email to remain in my inbox, > > > regardless of what it is. > > > > First of all (and just for fun): If you corporate email > looks that much > > like spam, you may have a look at the local help-wanted ads in > > newspapers ;-) > > On a more serious note, I believe a whitelist function is definitely > useful. Some e-mail like Bruce Schneier's cryptogram almost > univerally > gets classified as high spam probability probably because of > the topics > discussed. I think I recall seeing some other examples of false > positives discussed that do have many spam-like characteristics. Sorry, I didn't want to say it's useless. I had the same problem and worked around with the outlook rules. I just wanted to say it may be disadvantageous to incorporate this to Spambayes, although it's probably the unique solution for these spambayes-flavours exterior to Outlook like pop3proxy and so on. I personally imagine a few awkward questions: You'll have to discuss on things like if it's advantageous or not to train on messages that have been classified by white-/blacklists. You'll have to implement a nifty configuration for these whitelists: "You recovered for the second time a mail coming from @microsoft.com. Do you want to setup a whitelist-entry to prevent mails coming from @microsoft.com to be classified as spam ?" Yeah ! That would certainly be cool, but tricky ;-) Furthermore, there are two huge advantages of rules set up by outlook: 1. It's already quite easy to set up these rules, including reading addresses from the GlobalNamesAndAddr... ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H ActiveDirectory and a lot of other properties. 2. There are rules running on the Exchange-server. So they work even if Outlook, Spambayes and the Client computer are switched off. From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk Sat Oct 18 15:22:30 2003 From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell) Date: Sat Oct 18 15:22:02 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Cut off doesn appear to be working Message-ID: <000001c395ad$2d3143b0$6401a8c0@home.co.uk> Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening ? -----Original Message----- From: Alan Campbell Sent: 11 October 2003 18:51 To: 'spambayes@python.org' Subject: Cut off doesn appear to be working I have set my cut off as follows :- Ham 0.2 Spam 0.8 I am still getting quite a few messages marked as unsure. When I checked the clues for one, it showed the following :- Spam probability: 0.928987696313 *H* 0.0590561523317 *S* 0.917031544958 skip:t 30 0.155172413793 subject:can 0.155172413793 subject:get 0.155172413793 header:Return-path:1 0.392454238181 subject:unsure 0.643244289586 subject:, 0.676647442122 content-type:multipart/alternative 0.746914410458 content-type:text/html 0.794961761144 url:gif 0.840754651709 subject:all 0.844827586207 to:2**1 0.844827586207 to:no real name:2**1 0.844827586207 from:addr:yahoo.com 0.908163265306 url:biz 0.969798657718 Surly this should be marked as spam, or have I got the wrong end of the stick ? Alan From troy at watercascades.com Sat Oct 18 16:37:21 2003 From: troy at watercascades.com (Troy Hoshor) Date: Sat Oct 18 16:37:33 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] I always seem to have one spam that arrivies at 0% Message-ID: <1006E44097381C46A0DF287BA5CF71520F2AF5@exchange.watercascades.com> Apologies in advance if this has been asked before.... But I am having a recurring problem with SpamBayes, and I wanted to check with other users before reporting it as a bug. It seems that, whether I recieve 1 spam or 15, that the one at the top of my Inbox (ie most recent) is always evaluated as 0%. The words "penis enlargement pills and vicadin click here" could be plastered all over it and it will still evaluate to 0% when logically it should evaluate to 100% or something similar. This is not a problem of unrecognized spam (I have over 1000 in my "Spam" folder) but that the automatically-selected "first" spam in my Inbox is always evaluated to 0% no matter what the content. Has anyone here experienced anything similar? I am using SpamBayes Outlook Addin vs. 0.81, I get my mail through a Microsoft Exhange Server, and I'm also using Windows XP. Thanks. -Troy Hoshor From tchur at optushome.com.au Sat Oct 18 18:37:53 2003 From: tchur at optushome.com.au (Tim Churches) Date: Sat Oct 18 18:39:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training from mail client Message-ID: <1066516672.1329.27.camel@emilio> I use SpamBayes with pop3proxy and Evolution on Linux. It works very well, but it would be nice to be able to train with the very few spam messages that get through as soon as I recognise them while browsing my email in Evolution, rather than having to make a note of them, fire up the Web interface, find the offending messages and reclassify them as spam. It is obviously impractical to build this into the user interface of every mail client, so a generic means of doing this is required. Perhaps forwarding such messages to oneself by with a specific, easy to remember (and type) tag prepended to the subject line which signifies to SpamBayes that it should look for this message in its database and reclassify it as Spam. And another tag which does the opposite (rarely needed in my experience). These tags should be user configurable so that incoming mail can't spoof them. Overall SpamBayes is tremendous. -- Tim C PGP/GnuPG Key 1024D/EAF993D0 available from keyservers everywhere or at http://members.optushome.com.au/tchur/pubkey.asc Key fingerprint = 8C22 BF76 33BA B3B5 1D5B EB37 7891 46A9 EAF9 93D0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It works very > well, but it would be nice to be able to train with the very few spam > messages that get through as soon as I recognise them while browsing my > email in Evolution, rather than having to make a note of them, fire up > the Web interface, find the offending messages and reclassify them as > spam. It is obviously impractical to build this into the user interface > of every mail client, so a generic means of doing this is required. > Perhaps forwarding such messages to oneself by with a specific, easy to > remember (and type) tag prepended to the subject line which signifies to > SpamBayes that it should look for this message in its database and > reclassify it as Spam. And another tag which does the opposite (rarely > needed in my experience). These tags should be user configurable so that > incoming mail can't spoof them. -- Adam Walker Consultant, CGI Public Key at http://meta.xenogeist.com/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=1 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 261 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031018/0fb63624/attachment.bin From tchur at optushome.com.au Sat Oct 18 22:15:27 2003 From: tchur at optushome.com.au (Tim Churches) Date: Sat Oct 18 22:17:43 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training from mail client In-Reply-To: <3F91F0C9.9050602@rbwconsulting.com> References: <1066516672.1329.27.camel@emilio> <3F91F0C9.9050602@rbwconsulting.com> Message-ID: <1066529726.1202.0.camel@emilio> On Sun, 2003-10-19 at 12:02, Adam Walker wrote: > Perhaps you should look into the SMTP proxy options on the pop3proxy > config page. Instead of tags on the subject line, you can setup two > address to forward to, one for spam, one for ham. Thanks, I 'd overlooked that - problem solved. Tim C > > Tim Churches wrote: > > > I use SpamBayes with pop3proxy and Evolution on Linux. It works very > > well, but it would be nice to be able to train with the very few spam > > messages that get through as soon as I recognise them while browsing my > > email in Evolution, rather than having to make a note of them, fire up > > the Web interface, find the offending messages and reclassify them as > > spam. It is obviously impractical to build this into the user interface > > of every mail client, so a generic means of doing this is required. > > Perhaps forwarding such messages to oneself by with a specific, easy to > > remember (and type) tag prepended to the subject line which signifies to > > SpamBayes that it should look for this message in its database and > > reclassify it as Spam. And another tag which does the opposite (rarely > > needed in my experience). These tags should be user configurable so that > > incoming mail can't spoof them. -- Tim C PGP/GnuPG Key 1024D/EAF993D0 available from keyservers everywhere or at http://members.optushome.com.au/tchur/pubkey.asc Key fingerprint = 8C22 BF76 33BA B3B5 1D5B EB37 7891 46A9 EAF9 93D0 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/spambayes/attachments/20031019/f1167307/attachment.bin From bob at 1776.com Sat Oct 18 23:29:47 2003 From: bob at 1776.com (Robert K. Coe) Date: Sat Oct 18 23:41:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Suggestion/Help offer In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633348@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> Message-ID: <000001c395f1$3f9cbf40$6501a8c0@CambridgeMA.GOV> I don't mean to be obnoxious about this (I've made this point at least twice before), but you DON'T NEED the filter timer if you're using Outlook in an Exchange environment. If both the origin and destination folders are in the Exchange mailbox, the applicable Outlook filtering rules will be applied on the server, BEFORE Spambayes (which works only on the client) ever gets to see the messages. Only if the origin folder and/or the destination folder is on the client do the Outlook rules (which then have to run on the client) interfere with Spambayes. If you've set up a whitelist rule in Outlook but messages are slipping through it and getting classified as spam, it's probably for that reason. Just so I stay within my level of expertise, I should state that I've used only Exchange 2000. So I can't swear that Outlook filtering works the same way with earlier versions. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dejonghe, Manuel [mailto:Manuel.Dejonghe@cycos.com] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 7:56 PM > To: Craig Bateman; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig Bateman [mailto:cbateman@lmltechnologies.com] > > Sent: Samstag, 18. Oktober 2003 00:07 > > To: spambayes@python.org > > Subject: [Spambayes] Suggestion/Help offer > > > > > > I'm using the spambayes plugin for outlook, and while I find > > it's a very good tool, it seems to lack the ability to "whitelist" & > > "blacklist" certain addresses, in particular, I'd like to whitelist > > anything that comes in through my corporate exchange email to remain > > in my inbox, regardless of what it is. > > ... > > > Is this a limitation of spambayes in general or just the plugin? > > There is a very nifty workaround (especially with outlook) to do your job: > > find the option "filter timer" in the advanced tab of your spambayes-manager > (in the dropdown-menu from the spambayes toolbar). If you set up a delay of > 2 seconds and an interval of one second, outlook is capabale to apply a > mailbox rule on this item. This is how I'm doing for some talkative (but > important) mailing lists. move them to another inbox-subfolder (they will > be kept "unread" and a blue counter will notify you). > ... From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Sun Oct 19 09:41:36 2003 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:41:39 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: one more feature Message-ID: The implication of this inquiry is that the FTC maintains an address to which the general public is encouraged to send spam messages (presumably for investigation or action against the spammer). Is that the case? I guess I'm a bit astonished if it is. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Soled [mailto:united@computerdudes.net] > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 1:30 PM > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] one more feature > > > I love Spambayes. I have one thing that I wish you would add at some > point... > > I'd like to forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov in some automated fashion once > Spambayes has identified and moved it. I'm sure you would have some ideas on > this. The best way I can think of is that a future version of Spambayes > could be given the capability to put messages in a category. I would then > use the rules wizard to find messages with that category and forward them as > they arrive, then delete them. > > Keep up the good work! From sberman3 at optonline.net Sun Oct 19 09:56:33 2003 From: sberman3 at optonline.net (Sheldon S Berman, MD) Date: Sun Oct 19 09:56:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] feedback Message-ID: <008001c39648$d0fe8a20$8bfbbc18@workpc> What a terrific product. Thank you. This message is being sent from a physicians office and may contain information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. From m.piff at btopenworld.com Sun Oct 19 10:23:49 2003 From: m.piff at btopenworld.com (Mike Piff) Date: Sun Oct 19 10:23:50 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes fails to install with error message (Windows XP Home Edition Message-ID: When I run the installer I get a warning box saying that dllRegister service failed to register xxx.dll. Does anyone know what this means? I don't appear to have a dllregister service! Mike From gsloman at ntlworld.com Sun Oct 19 13:37:22 2003 From: gsloman at ntlworld.com (Glyn Sloman) Date: Sun Oct 19 13:34:32 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] outlook causuing unknown error when closed Message-ID: <000001c39667$a78adf80$375c6451@c0w4q0> using outlook 2002 whenever i close outlook instead of it going thru its normal closing routine it causes an "error in " so effectively outlook crashes each time i close it - any suggestions plse? From hstock at onproject.com Sun Oct 19 13:38:11 2003 From: hstock at onproject.com (Henry Stock) Date: Sun Oct 19 13:38:16 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Getting this message when I first try to use SpamBayes Message-ID: <7B0851FD397C6A4BB6D34C407AE09BE53EF2@ex1int.onproject.com> SpamBayes is NOT enabled Not sure how or why it is not enabled. The installer ran fine. I ran the trainer and that seemed to work. But when I click on the Delete as Spam button, I get the message "You must enable spamBayes....before you can use it. Okay... so how do you enable it? I am running Outlook 2000 SP1 on a Windows 2000 Server Henry Stock, Network Administrator onProject.com, Inc. 3 Wing Drive, Suite 225 Cedar Knolls, NJ 07927 Phone: 973-971-9970 Fax: 973-971-9971 From john-qgkj at yahoo.com Sun Oct 19 16:27:59 2003 From: john-qgkj at yahoo.com (john-qgkj@yahoo.com) Date: Sun Oct 19 17:58:12 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Stamina-RX Message-ID: From majuncle at comcast.net Sun Oct 19 18:49:21 2003 From: majuncle at comcast.net (Tim Heidenreich) Date: Sun Oct 19 18:49:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Can't Register the DLL files Message-ID: <000001c39693$3c795790$6401a8c0@TIM> I've tried to install Spambayes multiple times, but keep getting the following error message : C:\Program Files\Accessories|Spambayes Outlook Addin.dll Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegister Server Failed; code 0x00000000. Click Retry to try again, Ignore to proceed anyway (not recommended), or Abort to cancel installation." What should I do to overcome it? Thanks for your help. From rick.krupka at siemens.com Sun Oct 19 19:24:52 2003 From: rick.krupka at siemens.com (Krupka, Rick) Date: Sun Oct 19 19:24:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Problem Message-ID: I accidently deleated the Junk Spam folder. Now when I try to "delete as Spam" error message reads you must configure the spam folder. I tried to add one but nothing works Thanks From japeters at pacbell.net Sun Oct 19 20:44:20 2003 From: japeters at pacbell.net (John A. Peters) Date: Sun Oct 19 20:47:37 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training for ever or not Message-ID: <01dc01c396a3$4d1715a0$6502a8c0@eTower> Does SpamBayes expect the user to keep training it for ever? I have enough training done that it works quite well. Now I want out of the responsibility of training it on every mail. If I do not go to the Review page of the SpamBayes Web page will the messages just continue to pile up there? All else is good. (Thanks!) John A. Peters 415 509-3599 cell japeters@pacbell.net japeters1939 on Yahoo! Instant Msg. From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 19 21:19:17 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:16:26 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training for ever or not In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C080D2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0AF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Does SpamBayes expect the user to keep training it for ever? Not necessarily. If you're happy with the results, then you can stop. You might need to start up again in the future, if you ham/spam changes significantly. > If I do not go to the Review page of the SpamBayes Web page > will the messages just continue to pile up there? No. Messages are only kept in the cache for a set number of days (defaults to 7) and after that they are permanently removed. You can also turn the cache off completely, if you like, or turn off caching large messages, or messages that identify themselves as 'bulk' (mailing list traffic, for example). All these options should be on the configuration page(s). =Tony Meyer From vanhorn at whidbey.com Sun Oct 19 21:16:24 2003 From: vanhorn at whidbey.com (G. Armour Van Horn) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:16:46 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Training for ever or not References: <01dc01c396a3$4d1715a0$6502a8c0@eTower> Message-ID: <3F933768.E2304DAB@whidbey.com> You can stop any time you feel like it, and restart when new spam patterns start showing up. In the Advanced Configuration page there is a setting for how long cached messages should accumulate, you could drop that to a shorter period if you like. Mine seems to be set at 7 days, probably the default. On the first Configuration page you can also turn cacheing off completely, but that means you can't do any training other than to paste messages one at a time into the Home page. I, personally, have enough messages trained that I am only training on Unsures and non-list Ham, Discarding all messages correctly identified as Spam and setting the "Suppress caching of bulk ham" option (Configuration page) to Yes so they don't show up in the Review page at all. Van "John A. Peters" wrote: > Does SpamBayes expect the user to keep training it for ever? I have enough training done that it works quite well. Now I want out of the responsibility of training it on every mail. > > If I do not go to the Review page of the SpamBayes Web page will the messages just continue to pile up there? > > All else is good. (Thanks!) > > John A. Peters > 415 509-3599 cell > japeters@pacbell.net > japeters1939 on Yahoo! Instant Msg. > _______________________________________________ > Spambayes@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes > Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html -- ---------------------------------------------------------- Sign up now for Quotes of the Day, a handful of quotations on a theme delivered every morning. Enlightenment! Daily, for free! mailto:twisted@whidbey.com?subject=Subscribe_QOTD For web hosting and maintenance, visit Van's home page: http://www.domainvanhorn.com/van/ ---------------------------------------------------------- From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Sun Oct 19 21:23:46 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Sun Oct 19 21:20:55 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-bugs] Feature Request: SMTP Scanning and classification In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C98A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0B1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > Is it possible to tag the mail as ham/spam/unsure while the > mail is passing through the SMTP filter? Yes, if you write a spambayes application to do that. > To me it seems that the SMTP feature in spambayes > is only used for training when an email addressed to > spambayes_spam@localhost or spambayes_ham@localhost is passed > through it. That's correct. It's a proxy for *outgoing* messages, which intercepts ones for training. The idea was that it would provide an alternative for training via the web interface for POP3 proxy users, not that it would classify incoming messages. Writing an incoming SMTP filter that uses spambayes should be pretty simple - just look at sb_server.py and smtpproxy.py and make the appropriate changes. If you're not interested/able to write it, then you might be able to use a different solution - perhaps something like the ones at ? =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 20 02:35:39 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 20 02:32:49 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C937@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> >>> And on running sb_filter.py, the user gets the error: Traceback >>> (most recent call last): >>> File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 53, in ? >>> from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils >>> ImportError: No module named spambayes >> >> This looks like installation didn't go well after all. Do >> you have a "spambayes" directory in your Python site-packages >> directory? > > "spambayes" directory exists very much in Python > site-packages directory. How did you resolve this in the end? > While installation of spambayes-1.06a and spambayes-1.05a was > not possible at all on AIX 4.3.2 (with Python 2.3), What went wrong with 1.0a6 and 1.0a5? Or is it these two that give the above error and 1.0a4 doesn't? > spambayes-1.04a gave error on using the following command > after installation [...] > AttributeError: 'OptionsClass' object has no attribute > 'hammiefilter_persistent_storage_file' This looks like it's using a combination of the 1.0a4 and 1.0a6 files. Using 1.0a4 isn't a solution, really; we need to get 1.0a6 working. Remove the spambayes directory in the Python scripts directory, to be sure that the old scripts are gone. Then redo the "setup.py install" command for 1.0a6. Does the install complete correctly? If you end up with the "no module called spambayes" error, but do have the spambayes directory in your python scripts directory, try setting the environment variable PYTHONPATH to point to that spambayes directory. =Tony Meyer From tameyer at ihug.co.nz Mon Oct 20 02:52:36 2003 From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer) Date: Mon Oct 20 02:49:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] notate_subject In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C939@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> > What happened to hammie.py? It was deprecated a long while back. You can still access it if you want to, by using the hammie.py module (in the spambayes directory) as a script, or by using the hammiebulk.py module. The recommended method is to use sb_filter.py and sb_mboxtrain.py or sb_server.py with sb_upload.py (the former in your case, I would imagine). > Regardless, you're saying that there's an > open ticket which would fix my dilemma? Yes. > Iff true, this alone > would allow me to switch from SA to SB. Learning Python > seems like fun, maybe I'll idle the devel list and see if > there's anything I can do to help. Good plan :) The change isn't that difficult to make, but I can't see that I would be able to get to it before mid November (I'm going away for a while). One of the other developers might, though. Actually, although that is the correct long-term solution, you could add in subject modification to a local copy yourself without much trouble. I've only done a bare minimum of testing this, but it appears to work: """ *** hammie.py Mon Oct 20 19:51:31 2003 --- hammie2.py Mon Oct 20 19:47:20 2003 *************** *** 116,121 **** --- 116,125 ---- else: is_spam = False disp = options["Headers", "header_unsure_string"] + if disp in options["Headers", "notate_subject"]: + subj = msg["Subject"] + del msg["Subject"] + msg["Subject"] = "%s %s" % (disp, subj) if train: self.train(msg, is_spam, True) disp += ("; %."+str(options["Headers", "header_score_digits"])+"f") % Prob """ > I greatly appreciate your assistance, Tony. Have a great weekend. No worries, and thanks, I did :) =Tony Meyer From gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in Mon Oct 20 04:29:38 2003 From: gowranga at serc.iisc.ernet.in (K. H. Gowranga) Date: Mon Oct 20 04:27:22 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz> Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for your mail. > > What went wrong with 1.0a6 and 1.0a5? Or is it these two that give the > above error and 1.0a4 doesn't? Yes, you are correct. > This looks like it's using a combination of the 1.0a4 and 1.0a6 files. > Using 1.0a4 isn't a solution, really; we need to get 1.0a6 working. Remove > the spambayes directory in the Python scripts directory, to be sure that the > old scripts are gone. Then redo the "setup.py install" command for 1.0a6. > Does the install complete correctly? If you end up with the "no module > called spambayes" error, but do have the spambayes directory in your python > scripts directory, try setting the environment variable PYTHONPATH to point > to that spambayes directory. > > =Tony Meyer > I tried all that you have suggested but get the same error: spambayes : python setup.py install running install running build running build_py running build_scripts running install_lib copying build/lib/spambayes/cdb.py -> /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes error: /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/cdb.py: Permission denied spambayes : python sb_filter.py -d ~gowranga/.hammienn.db python: can't open file 'sb_filter.py' spambayes: python /usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py -d ~gowranga/.hammienn.db Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/sb_filter.py", line 53, in ? from spambayes import hammie, Options, mboxutils ImportError: No module named spambayes (The above when created by "root" creates the database without complaining about the Importerror. Error on "cdb.py" buildup does'nt appear too) spambayes: echo $PYTHONPATH /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes The directory defined by PYTHONPATH contains ".py" and ".pyc" files. Kindly suggest a solution to this. Thanks. -gowranga From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Oct 20 07:30:49 2003 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Oct 20 07:30:54 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: Wouldn't you then lose the ability to squirrel the database away in an inconspicuous place (the roaming profile, the non-roaming part of the roaming profile, the user's home directory, etc.)? As a system administrator, I don't like to see unnecessary increases in a user's mailbox size, but it's a lot easier to deal with (for instance) large home directories. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Mark Hammond > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 12:18 AM > To: 'Ryan Malayter'; spambayes@python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network > > > > > If I understand it, the desktop is *always* running > > Outlook, even while the remote machine is. > > > > I somehow missed that 24/7 part. The only solution I see for > > this situation: > > > > - running one spambayes process server-side, at the SMTP > > or mail store level > > - making a central DB accessible to multiple processes, either > > on-line with row-level locking or off-line via a form of merge > > replication. I'm not sure if BSD database supports these, but > > Microsoft MSDE 2000 and IBM's DB2 universal engines do. > > Both are decidedly not free, though. > > Another option may be to see if we can use MAPI itself as our > database! > > Mark. > From rmalayter at bai.org Mon Oct 20 10:04:23 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:04:27 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Mulitple SpamBayes installs on a network Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D47C@cliff.bai.org> From: Coe, Bob > Wouldn't you then lose the ability to squirrel the > database away in an inconspicuous place (the roaming > profile, the non-roaming part of the roaming profile, > the user's home directory, etc.)? As a system > administrator, I don't like to see unnecessary increases > in a user's mailbox size, but it's a lot easier to > deal with (for instance) large home directories. Yes and No. If we run just one spambayes process server-side at the SMTP level, the Spambayes DB would probably have to be stored on a server somewhere, or at least in a user's home directory on a server. However, with the "multi-master" replicated database, the DB would still be stored in the local portion of user's profile, and would simply be synchronized with other local copies. Such synchronization might require a third "master" copy of the Spambayes DB stored on a server somewhere. Of course, all of this must be optional, you should still be able to store the SPamBayes DB in the user's profile as is currently done. Regards, -Ryan- From rmalayter at bai.org Mon Oct 20 10:17:48 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Mon Oct 20 10:17:52 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D47D@cliff.bai.org> From: Robert K. Coe > I don't mean to be obnoxious about this (I've made this > point at least twice before), but you DON'T NEED the filter > timer if you're using Outlook in an Exchange environment. > If both the origin and destination folders are in the Exchange > mailbox, the applicable Outlook filtering rules will be > applied on the server, BEFORE Spambayes (which works only > on the client) ever gets to see the messages. Only if the > origin folder and/or the destination folder is on the client > do the Outlook rules (which then have to run on the client) > interfere with Spambayes. If you've set up a whitelist rule > in Outlook but messages are slipping through it and getting > classified as spam, it's probably for that reason. > > Just so I stay within my level of expertise, I should state > that I've used only Exchange 2000. So I can't swear that > Outlook filtering works the same way with earlier versions. There are some rules you can make in Outlook that only work client-side. This seems to be true in all Outlook versions up to and including XP. And even if you use exchange server, and have your delivery location set to the Exchange server. On my own mailbox, I use Outlook XP with all service packs and connect to an Exchange 2000 server. I have 24 or so rules, and some of the simple ones (which just look at the sender address) work server-side, when outlook is not open. However, every time I open Outlook, I get a "runnning rules on new messages" dialog box. So something is happening client-side. I'm sure it's documented somewhere which types of rules cannot run on the Exchange server, but I haven't been able to find it. So, I figure you MIGHT NEED the filter time even if you're using outlook in an Exchange Server environment, even if you user the Exchange server as your primary storage location. Only fairly simple Outlook rules run at the server level. See http://www.slipstick.com/rules/serverbased.htm for more details. -ryan- From rmalayter at bai.org Mon Oct 20 11:34:38 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:34:41 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] I always seem to have one spam that arrivies at 0% Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111539B@cliff.bai.org> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Troy > It seems that, whether I recieve 1 spam or 15, that > the one at the top of my Inbox (ie most recent) is > always evaluated as 0%. The words "penis enlargement > pills and vicadin click here" could be plastered all > over it and it will still evaluate to 0% when logically > it should evaluate to 100% or something similar. This has already been reported as a bug. See http://tinyurl.com/rlqu. If you actually highlight the message and choose "show spam clues", it will show the correct score. It appears this is some sort of bug in the code which loops through existing messages, not with the core spam detection engine. From jramsey at gapsinc.com Mon Oct 20 11:35:24 2003 From: jramsey at gapsinc.com (Jason Ramsey) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:35:45 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Rules ... Message-ID: <004901c3971f$c7c1c0d0$0602a8c0@WS26> Hello, I use Outlook 2002 at work and have quite a few rules set up to sort mail. I also check mail for three different accounts. I have had the plug-in installed for a little while but I noticed that often times the sorting rules I have set seem to override SpamBayes. So if that I get spam through an email account which is to be moved to another folder, it does not seem to get scored at all. Telling SpamBayes to check this folder too does not help either. Does anyone have any ideas on how I can have all messages be filtered by SpamBayes *before* any of my rules are run?? Thank you, Jason From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV Mon Oct 20 11:52:53 2003 From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob) Date: Mon Oct 20 11:52:59 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: The page referred to by that link is interesting; I don't believe I'd seen it before. But the salient point is that the rule(s) necessary to accomplish the stated objective (filter on sender address and move the identified messages to a given folder) will run on the server if both the origin folder and the destination folder are on the server. Virtually all of the repeated "whitelist" requests the developers have been getting can be covered by that case. I'll concede the effectiveness of the delayed execution of the Spambayes rules, but it's still a hack. Keeping the two sets of rules out of each other's way would seem to be the safer course of action when it's possible to do so. Bob MIS Department, City of Cambridge 831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139 ? 617-349-4217 ? fax 617-349-6165 > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:rmalayter@bai.org] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 10:18 AM > To: Coe, Bob (home); spambayes@Python.org > Subject: RE: [Spambayes] RE: Suggestion/Help offer > > > From: Robert K. Coe > > I don't mean to be obnoxious about this (I've made this > > point at least twice before), but you DON'T NEED the filter > > timer if you're using Outlook in an Exchange environment. > > If both the origin and destination folders are in the Exchange > > mailbox, the applicable Outlook filtering rules will be > > applied on the server, BEFORE Spambayes (which works only > > on the client) ever gets to see the messages. Only if the > > origin folder and/or the destination folder is on the client > > do the Outlook rules (which then have to run on the client) > > interfere with Spambayes. If you've set up a whitelist rule > > in Outlook but messages are slipping through it and getting > > classified as spam, it's probably for that reason. > > > > Just so I stay within my level of expertise, I should state > > that I've used only Exchange 2000. So I can't swear that > > Outlook filtering works the same way with earlier versions. > > There are some rules you can make in Outlook that only work client-side. > This seems to be true in all Outlook versions up to and including XP. > And even if you use exchange server, and have your delivery location set > to the Exchange server. > > On my own mailbox, I use Outlook XP with all service packs and connect > to an Exchange 2000 server. I have 24 or so rules, and some of the > simple ones (which just look at the sender address) work server-side, > when outlook is not open. However, every time I open Outlook, I get a > "runnning rules on new messages" dialog box. So something is happening > client-side. I'm sure it's documented somewhere which types of rules > cannot run on the Exchange server, but I haven't been able to find it. > > So, I figure you MIGHT NEED the filter time even if you're using outlook > in an Exchange Server environment, even if you user the Exchange server > as your primary storage location. Only fairly simple Outlook rules run > at the server level. > > See http://www.slipstick.com/rules/serverbased.htm for more details. > > -ryan- From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com Mon Oct 20 12:13:06 2003 From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:13:11 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Rules ... Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633350@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com> > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Ramsey [mailto:jramsey@gapsinc.com] > Sent: Montag, 20. Oktober 2003 17:35 > To: spambayes@python.org > Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Rules ... > > > Hello, > > I use Outlook 2002 at work and have quite a few rules set up to sort > mail. I also check mail for three different accounts. I have had the > plug-in installed for a little while but I noticed that often > times the > sorting rules I have set seem to override SpamBayes. So if that I get > spam through an email account which is to be moved to another > folder, it > does not seem to get scored at all. Telling SpamBayes to check this > folder too does not help either. Does anyone have any ideas on how I > can have all messages be filtered by SpamBayes *before* any > of my rules > are run?? Yes, there is. As it has been asked a few times on this list, I'm going to write the recipe on the Spambayes Wiki. Please have a look at the following url in a few minutes, I'll be done. http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/BackgroundScanningForOutlookRules Manuel From rmalayter at bai.org Mon Oct 20 12:38:19 2003 From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter) Date: Mon Oct 20 12:38:23 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Suggestion/Help offer Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D480@cliff.bai.org> From: Coe, Bob > ...the salient point is that the rule(s) necessary > to accomplish the stated objective (filter on sender > address and move the identified messages to a given > folder) will run on the server if both the origin > folder and the destination folder are on the server. > Virtually all of the repeated "whitelist" requests > the developers have been getting can be covered by > that case. I wasn't really aware white listing was the original subject of this thread. I missed that somehow, because the thread with the subject "Suggestion/Help offer" got disconnected from this by someone's non-standard mail reader putting an extra RE: in the subject line. Anyway, I agree that Outlook rules offer a viable functional replacement for a SpamBayes whitelist, although it's not necessarily fun or convenient to wade three dialog boxes deep into the Rules Wizard to add an address to your whitelist. I also think that a white list should be a low priority addition to SpamBayes, since there's other "meatier" stuff that needs to be done, and Outlook Rules can be used as a workaround. > I'll concede the effectiveness of the delayed execution > of the Spambayes rules, but it's still a hack. Keeping > the two sets of rules out of each other's way would seem > to be the safer course of action when it's possible to > do so. I agree with this as well, but I would guess a majority of Outlook users do not connect to an Exchange server, or if they do, use local delivery (even though PST=evil). So making Outlook rules work well with SpamBayes is a needed exercise. We just can't punt and say "buy Exchange server" to everyone... Regards, -Ryan- From svaha at xalt.co.uk Mon Oct 20 14:34:00 2003 From: svaha at xalt.co.uk (Peter Johnson) Date: Mon Oct 20 14:35:48 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Update query Message-ID: <000f01c39738$bb622500$66a548d9@venus> Dear Sirs, I am just trying out the Spam Filter for the first time and whilst there are a few things I am not sure of yet, I am sure most of it will become clear as I become more familiar with it. However, I don't seem to be able to get it to look for the latest version. This is an extract from the log file. I am running an ADSL connection which was live both times I tried to run the update. The log doesn't put a timestamp on events, which might have helped (suggestion?), but the time it occurred was about 13.40 20/10/03 (UK time). It looks like it was trying to get the URL from a file, but couldn't find it? Error checking the latest version Traceback (most recent call last): File "out1.pyz/addin", line 505, in CheckLatestVersion File "out1.pyz/spambayes.Version", line 114, in fetch_latest_dict File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 136, in urlopen File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 333, in open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 313, in _call_chain File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 849, in http_open File "out1.pyz/urllib2", line 834, in do_open URLError: ERROR: 'There was an error checking for the latest version\r\nFor specific details on the error, please see the SpamBayes log\r\n\r\nPlease check your internet connection, or try again later' Can you help me? Regards, Peter Johnson Email: pj@ukf.net svaha@xalt.co.uk pjohnson@snorwood99.freeserve.co.uk This message is intended only for the use of the person(s) ("the intended recipient(s)") to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential within the meaning of applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. From Chris_Blake at empowersolutions.com Mon Oct 20 14:52:52 2003 From: Chris_Blake at empowersolutions.com (Chris Blake) Date: Mon Oct 20 14:53:51 2003 Subject: [Spambayes] Spam Clues: (no subject) Message-ID: <007901c3973b$5e9f51f0$cb0618a5@adpatip05w2k> I have training set to recognize any message moved to InBox from Junk E-Mail or Junk Suspect as good but it does not work on this and similar mail I receive from my wife or myself using a similar email account. I am using Binary version .81 on a laptop running 2000 Pro w/SP4. Spam Score: 100% (0.996519) word spamprob #ham #spam '*H*' 4.07836e-005 - - '*S*' 0.993078 - - 'to:no real name:2**0' 0.610067 397 79 'subject:(' 0.669051 3 1 'subject:subject' 0.776799 1 1 'subject:)' 0.822865 2 2 'header:Received:3' 0.834469 72 47 'from:addr:patty2094' 0.908163 0 2 'from:name:patricia blake' 0.908163 0 2 'x-mailer:aol communicator (20030728.3 win)' 0.908163 0 2 'from:addr:aol.com' 0.92464 8 15 'message-id:@aol.com' 0.926397 4 9 Message Stream: Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.98]) by wally.empowersolutions.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 49XK1YSQ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:03:00 -0400 Received: from Patty2094@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id v.cc.23bf465e (16112) for ; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DELL.charter.net (24-216-55-96.charter.com [24.216.55.96]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v96.8) with ESMTP id MAILINID124-3ef03f92fbdfce; Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:02:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 17:02:39 -0400 From: "Patricia Blake" Subject: (no subject) To: chris_blake@empowersolutions.com Message-ID: <3F92FBEF.3010602@aol.com> X-Mailer: AOL Communicator (20030728.3 Win) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY=79455383-41-1066597359-5020 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-AOL-IP: 24.216.55.96 






  





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From: JBHSmith at FOSSENV.COM (Smith, Joe B. H.)
Date: Mon Oct 20 15:59:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My spambayes is not becoming part of Outlook
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Prior to Sept, I had Spambayes working well on my COMPAQ Armada 500 laptop,
running Window XP Professional with Outlook 2002.

When I came back from overseas, I had >1,000 spams. Something happened
during the download of the mail from my server to the laptop, and Spambeyes
stopped working. I uninstalled it and re-installed it from you web site
(numerous times now). It seems to install OK, but the SPAMBAYES tool bar
doesn't come up now. I have looked at the Outlook add-in files and spambayes
doesn't seem to be there either.

 

I was really beginning to like the program as it was doing an excellent job
for mebefore!

 

Do you have any suggestions??

 

Tks, Joe Smith

 

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 17:23:27 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Oct 20 17:20:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes and Outlook Rules ...
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C082D5@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I use Outlook 2002 at work and have quite a few rules set up 
> to sort mail.  I also check mail for three different 
> accounts.  I have had the plug-in installed for a little 
> while but I noticed that often times the sorting rules I have 
> set seem to override SpamBayes.  So if that I get spam 
> through an email account which is to be moved to another 
> folder, it does not seem to get scored at all.  Telling 
> SpamBayes to check this folder too does not help either.  
> Does anyone have any ideas on how I can have all messages be 
> filtered by SpamBayes *before* any of my rules are run??

You can instead have all your messages be filtered by SpamBayes *after* all
of your rules are run (you need to be using the latest version, 008.1, of
the plug-in).  On the advanced tab of the SpamBayes dialog, enable the
"background filtering" option.  This should have the desired effect.  You
can then get SpamBayes to watch all the folders that mail is moved to.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Oct 20 17:34:06 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Oct 20 17:31:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes Update query
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08301@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0B9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> However, I don't seem to be able to get it to look for 
> the latest version.

Do you connect to web pages via a proxy?  If so, do you use an
auto-configuration script (this information is in the Internet Explorer
options, if that's the browser you use).

There are problems with connecting via an autoconfigure script, although via
a straight proxy should work.  There's an open bug report about this (see
) which talks about possible solutions
(it's a difficult task).

=Tony Meyer


From kreide at online.no  Mon Oct 20 19:20:44 2003
From: kreide at online.no (Kristian Eide)
Date: Mon Oct 20 19:20:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
Message-ID: <3F9BD3A1@epostleser.online.no>

Hi, I recently upgraded from Mandrake 9.1 to Mandrake 9.2, and it seems the 
version of Python also changed (from 2.2 to 2.3 I assume). Now when I try to 
start SpamBayes I get the following error message:

  File "./sb_server.py", line 100, in ?
    import spambayes.message
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 149, in ?
    msginfoDB = MessageInfoDB(message_info_db_name)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 114, in 
__init__
    self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 53, in 
open
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 36, in 
open_best
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 18, in 
open_dbhash
    return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.3/bsddb/__init__.py", line 162, in hashopen
    d.open(file, db.DB_HASH, flags, mode)
bsddb._db.DBInvalidArgError: (22, 'Invalid argument -- 
spambayes.messageinfo.db: unexpected file type or format')

It would seem the database format has changed in an incompatable way. The 
question is: do I need to re-train SpamBayes (installing a fresh version 
works) or is there some way to convert the old DB?

Thanks!

Kristian



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 00:07:50 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 00:05:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] moving DB file
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303A3C436@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Note - for everyone - that you should always cc the list in with your
replies, so that you can benefit from everyone's wisdom, and don't have to
wait for that person to have time to respond]

> Thanks - I added the following lines to the "Microsoft 
> Outlook.ini" file and also to the "default_bayes_customize.ini" file. 
> [General]
> data_directory:Y:SpamBayes 

Take them out of the "default_bayes_customize.ini" file.  At the moment we
ignore any invalid options in there, but that is likely to change at some
point, and this will stop spambayes working for you.  If you look in your
log, you'll see an "invalid option" comment in there each time you start up
complaining about this.

[...]
> When I shut down Outlook and start it up, it is clearly still 
> operating on the ones in the Documents and Settings folder. 
> 
> Can you suggest what I have done wrong in trying to get 
> SpamBayes to point to a new data directory? 

Take them out of the "Microsoft Outlook.ini" file as well, and move them
into a (new) file called "default_configuration.ini", either in the
spambayes application directory or (doesn't matter which) in the application
data\spambayes directory that the others are in.

This is outlined at the very bottom of the configuration guide in the
outlook docs.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 00:14:08 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 00:11:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Installation problem
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08216@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29B9@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried all that you have suggested but get the same error:
> 
> spambayes : python setup.py install
> running install
> running build
> running build_py
> running build_scripts
> running install_lib
> copying build/lib/spambayes/cdb.py -> 
> /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes
> error: 
> /usr/local/lib/python2.3/site-packages/spambayes/cdb.py: 
> Permission denied

This is why you end up with a mixture of old and new files - setup.py can't
copy the files into the site-packages/spambayes directory.  It needs to
either have permission to do that (it only happens on install), or you need
to install spambayes to some other directory where there is permission, and
set PYTHONPATH to include the path to that directory.  IIRC setup.py can
take arguments to do that - the python documentation will have instructions
about that.

[...]
> (The above when created by "root" creates the database 
> without complaining about the Importerror. Error on "cdb.py" 
> buildup does'nt appear too)

So everything works when you run as root?  You should be able to install
spambayes as root, but then use it as a regular user (assuming your users
have permission to access python and the python site-packages directory).

What happens if you just run "python" and, from the interactive interpreter,
type "import spambayes"?  If that fails, what about "import sys"?  If that
works, what about importing anything else in the site-packages directory?

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 00:18:32 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 00:15:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C0857B@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Now when I try to 
> start SpamBayes I get the following error message:
[...]
> bsddb._db.DBInvalidArgError: (22, 'Invalid argument -- 
> spambayes.messageinfo.db: unexpected file type or format')
> 
> It would seem the database format has changed in an 
> incompatable way. The question is: do I need to re-train
> SpamBayes (installing a fresh version works) or is there
> some way to convert the old DB?

You're using sb_server, right?  In that case, you're pretty safe in deleting
the messageinfo.db file (up to 1.0a6, it's really only used by imapfilter,
and if you correct training on messages (e.g. train as spam, then train the
same message as ham)).  That might clear up the problem (it would be great
to know if it does), but might then result in a similar error about the
hammie.db database.

For the hammie.db database: do you have the old version of python around
still?  If you do, you could use the db_expimp.py script to convert the db
to a pickle/text, and then with the new version convert it back.  Otherwise
I would suspect that the only solution is to retrain, although I'm no expert
on bsddb.

=Tony Meyer


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Oct 21 08:56:13 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Oct 21 08:55:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <037001c397d2$b6110180$f502a8c0@eden>

> For the hammie.db database: do you have the old version of
> python around
> still?  If you do, you could use the db_expimp.py script to
> convert the db
> to a pickle/text, and then with the new version convert it
> back.  Otherwise
> I would suspect that the only solution is to retrain,
> although I'm no expert
> on bsddb.

Hmm - that would suck royally :(  Kristian, please open a bug on this
issue - we should handle this in a seamless way.

Mark.


From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Tue Oct 21 10:33:41 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Tue Oct 21 10:33:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thanks!
Message-ID: <20031021143341.GA4149@nl.linux.org>

Hello locals().keys() + dir(__builtins__),

when I first looked at Spambayes, I was afraid of having to train hundreds
and hundres of messages in order for it to be useful, because it is not
pre-trained. But apparantly I listened to my father (very happy with the
step from nothing to spamassasin, non-bayesian), too much, I have tried
Spambayes and I am very happy with it (my father didn't believe a
system without knowledge would be capabale of this, I should show him...).
I have 37 messages trained as spam and 41 trained as ham. It works extremely
good. In a month or so, I have had 1 false negative and 0 false positives
(with many high-traffic mailinglists, I receive about 2000 messages per week).
I have had 6 messages classified as unsure, all of which were treated as ham
by Spamikaze, although only 1 of them was.

Hail Spambayes!

Is it a coincident that Perl guru Tom Christiansen is active in the
development of Spamassisin and Tim Peters is active in the development
of Spamikaze? :)

waiting-for-the-ruby-equivalent-ly y'rs - Gerrit

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 21 10:42:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 21 10:42:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <037001c397d2$b6110180$f502a8c0@eden>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<037001c397d2$b6110180$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <16277.17880.926463.881896@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> For the hammie.db database: do you have the old version of python
    >> around still?  If you do, you could use the db_expimp.py script to
    >> convert the db to a pickle/text, and then with the new version
    >> convert it back.  Otherwise I would suspect that the only solution is
    >> to retrain, although I'm no expert on bsddb.

    Mark> Hmm - that would suck royally :( Kristian, please open a bug on
    Mark> this issue - we should handle this in a seamless way.

Alas, there may not be a truly seamless way to handle it.  If the 9.1->9.2
upgrade deleted Python 2.2 and the older version of Berkeley DB (as I
suspect it did), the only real hope to convert the database is if the
Sleepycat utilities RPM is installed.  Kristian, do you have a db_upgrade
executable on your Mandrake 9.2 machine (probably in /usr/bin)?  If so, it
will probably convert your database to the later format.

Skip


From pbaldree at LSHOMES.com  Tue Oct 21 12:08:56 2003
From: pbaldree at LSHOMES.com (Pandora Baldree)
Date: Tue Oct 21 12:09:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to enable Spambayes
Message-ID: <76DE93F331EAA841AC243E2362C2311202281D@d2600s1.lshomes.com>

I installed the latest version of spambayes for outlook 2002 and it
installs disabled and the option to enable it is grayed out. I didn't
have that problem on another Windows XP machine. Is their a registry
entry that I can force it to enable ?

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 21 12:40:50 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 21 12:41:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to enable Spambayes
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633360@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pandora Baldree [mailto:pbaldree@LSHOMES.com] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2003 18:09
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to enable Spambayes
> 
> 
> I installed the latest version of spambayes for outlook 2002 and it
> installs disabled and the option to enable it is grayed out. I didn't
> have that problem on another Windows XP machine. Is their a registry
> entry that I can force it to enable ?
> 

Allready covered by FAQ 3.7
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-ne
ed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out

get lucky with it, Manuel

From adam at vikingtoys.com  Tue Oct 21 13:45:57 2003
From: adam at vikingtoys.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Adam_Wast=E5?=)
Date: Tue Oct 21 13:45:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Executable file?
Message-ID: 

Hello!

Where can I find the executbale installfile of your program?

best regards,
Adam Wast?



From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 21 13:57:56 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 21 13:58:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Executable file?
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B43E4@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Wast? [mailto:adam@vikingtoys.com] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 21. Oktober 2003 19:46
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Executable file?
> 
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Where can I find the executbale installfile of your program?
> 

As you send your mail with Outlook, I suppose you are looking for the Outlook-AddIn. This can be found within the Windows-Section of the Spambayes-Homepage:

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html

good luck, Manuel

From dave at boost-consulting.com  Tue Oct 21 15:39:00 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:39:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] script names not updated in usage
Message-ID: 


If you look for example at sb_imapfilter.py you'll see that its usage
message shows invocations of "imapfilter.py" (no sb_ prefix).  I'm
sure the same applies elsewhere.

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From dave at boost-consulting.com  Tue Oct 21 15:55:32 2003
From: dave at boost-consulting.com (David Abrahams)
Date: Tue Oct 21 15:55:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] messageinfo_storage_db, crucial "not" missing
Message-ID: 


The docs for this option say:

     """Spambayes builds a database of information about messages
     that it has already seen and trained or classified.  This
     database is used to ensure that these messages are retrained
here---------------------------------------------------^ 
     or reclassified (unless specifically requested to).  This option

-- 
Dave Abrahams
Boost Consulting
www.boost-consulting.com


From kreide at online.no  Tue Oct 21 17:30:38 2003
From: kreide at online.no (Kristian Eide)
Date: Tue Oct 21 17:30:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <16277.17880.926463.881896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<037001c397d2$b6110180$f502a8c0@eden>
	<16277.17880.926463.881896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200310212328.33616.kreide@online.no>

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On Tuesday 21 October 2003 16:42, Skip Montanaro wrote: > Alas, there may not 
be a truly seamless way to handle it. If the 9.1->9.2 > upgrade deleted 
Python 2.2 and the older version of Berkeley DB (as I > suspect it did), the 
only real hope to convert the database is if the > Sleepycat utilities RPM is 
installed. Kristian, do you have a db_upgrade > executable on your Mandrake 
9.2 machine (probably in /usr/bin)? If so, it > will probably convert your 
database to the later format.

I tried to convert the hammie.db file using db_expimp.py on a Python 2.2 
installation; however, this failed with an error message.

Also, db_upgrade does not seem to be available on my Mandrake installation, 
and neither is there an RPM package called 'sleepycat'.

Since I cannot wait (I need to check my mail after all, and the spam volume is 
too great to do this manually) I have started with a fresh SpamBayes; I will 
just have to live with a few unsure messages for a while. But I think this at 
least deserves a mention in the documentation as I would probably have been 
able to export my DB before upgrading had I known this.

- -- 
Kristian
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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 17:43:51 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 17:41:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] messageinfo_storage_db, crucial "not" missing
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08991@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0CD@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> The docs for this option say:
> 
>      """Spambayes builds a database of information about messages
>      that it has already seen and trained or classified.  This
>      database is used to ensure that these messages are retrained
> here---------------------------------------------------^ 
>      or reclassified (unless specifically requested to).  This option

Thanks, fixed.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 17:40:40 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 17:43:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C089CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0CC@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I tried to convert the hammie.db file using db_expimp.py on a 
> Python 2.2 installation; however, this failed with an error message.

Do you recall what the error message was?

> Since I cannot wait (I need to check my mail after all, and 
> the spam volume is too great to do this manually) I have started\
> with a fresh SpamBayes; I will just have to live with a few
> unsure messages for a while. But I think this at 
> least deserves a mention in the documentation as I would 
> probably have been able to export my DB before upgrading had I
> known this.

Where would you say the best place for this would be?  (i.e. where do you
think you would have found it?)  The FAQ?  The README?  The downloads page?

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 17:51:27 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 17:48:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] script names not updated in usage
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08985@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0CE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> If you look for example at sb_imapfilter.py you'll see that 
> its usage message shows invocations of "imapfilter.py" (no 
> sb_ prefix).  I'm sure the same applies elsewhere.

Fixed, thanks.  (Well, for the docstrings of the scripts, at least).

=Tony Meyer


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 21 17:52:05 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 21 17:52:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <200310212328.33616.kreide@online.no>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<037001c397d2$b6110180$f502a8c0@eden>
	<16277.17880.926463.881896@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<200310212328.33616.kreide@online.no>
Message-ID: <16277.43653.431275.227050@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Kristian> I tried to convert the hammie.db file using db_expimp.py on a
    Kristian> Python 2.2 installation; however, this failed with an error
    Kristian> message.

That won't work if you don't have the correct version of the Sleepycat
libraries.  Still, what error did it display?  You're posting requests for
help with fairly noninformative phrases like "failed with an error message".
We can be a lot more helpful if you paste actual Python tracebacks into your
mail messages.

    Kristian> Also, db_upgrade does not seem to be available on my Mandrake
    Kristian> installation, and neither is there an RPM package called
    Kristian> 'sleepycat'.

Execute something like

    rpm -qa | egrep 'db[0-9]'

You should see output like

    libdb3.3-devel-3.3.11-7mdk
    db1-1.85-6mdk
    libdb3.3-3.3.11-7mdk
    libdb3.2-3.2.9-2mdk
    db1-devel-1.85-6mdk
    db2-2.4.14-3mdk
    db3-utils-3.3.11-7mdk

(This is on a Mandrake 8.1 system).  My guess is that you probably need to
install the db4-utils package from your CD.  I don't know how well Mandrake
does any more with multiple versions.  It may be that the python2.3 RPM will
only use the db4 rpm.  On the other hand, you may be able to "step back" to
the db3 rpm.

    Kristian> Since I cannot wait (I need to check my mail after all, and
    Kristian> the spam volume is too great to do this manually) I have
    Kristian> started with a fresh SpamBayes; I will just have to live with
    Kristian> a few unsure messages for a while. But I think this at least
    Kristian> deserves a mention in the documentation as I would probably
    Kristian> have been able to export my DB before upgrading had I known
    Kristian> this.

Yes.  I'll see if there's a reasonable place to squeeze that in somewhere.



On the one hand, I find it rather frustrating that Red Hat at times seems to
be so danged slow functional updates.  On the other hand, I find that
Mandrake upgrades their stuff too quickly.  I can't get security updates for
my 8.1 system from Mandrake anymore (not a problem for Red Hat 7.3 which is
roughly the same vintage) and am generally stuck downloading and attempting
to build from 8.2 sources I get from a machine in Brazil (not always
successfully).  I tried upgrading my laptop from 8.1 when 9.0 came out and
wound up with an unbootable system.  I have no idea how I'm supposed to
reliably upgrade my 8.1 web server.  I'll have to try a fresh 8.1 install on
my laptop and an upgrade to 9.something.

I guess maybe veering back to Red Hat for my server would be a reasonable
choice.  Any other Linux vendors out there which might strike a happier
medium between Red Hat and Mandrake upgrade-wise?



Skip

From kreide at online.no  Tue Oct 21 18:15:05 2003
From: kreide at online.no (Kristian Eide)
Date: Tue Oct 21 18:16:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <16277.43653.431275.227050@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200310212328.33616.kreide@online.no>
	<16277.43653.431275.227050@montanaro.dyndns.org>
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On Tuesday 21 October 2003 23:52, Skip Montanaro wrote:
> That won't work if you don't have the correct version of the Sleepycat
> libraries.  Still, what error did it display?  You're posting requests for
> help with fairly noninformative phrases like "failed with an error
> message". We can be a lot more helpful if you paste actual Python
> tracebacks into your mail messages.

Sorry, since I'd already started with a fresh SpamBayes I didn't think to 
include it. Anyway, here it is:

$ ./sb_dbexpimp.py  -e -D hammie.db -f hammie.db.export
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./sb_dbexpimp.py", line 262, in ?
    runExport(dbFN, useDBM, flatFN)
  File "./sb_dbexpimp.py", line 108, in runExport
    bayes = spambayes.storage.DBDictClassifier(dbFN)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 162, in 
__init__
    self.load()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 178, in 
load
    self.dbm = dbmstorage.open(self.db_name, self.mode)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 53, in 
open
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 36, in 
open_best
    return f(*args)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/dbmstorage.py", line 18, in 
open_dbhash
    return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
bsddb.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

>     rpm -qa | egrep 'db[0-9]'
> You should see output like

libdb4.1-4.1.25-3mdk
libpwdb0-0.61.2-3mdk
db1-1.85-9mdk

I installed db4-utils and tried db_upgrade; this gives me the following error 
however:

$ db_upgrade hammie.db
db_upgrade: hammie.db: unrecognized file type
db_upgrade: DB->upgrade: hammie.db: Invalid argument

I think I'll skip trying to install db3.

> On the one hand, I find it rather frustrating that Red Hat at times seems
> to be so danged slow functional updates.  On the other hand, I find that
> Mandrake upgrades their stuff too quickly.  I can't get security updates

I agree, I just installed Mandrake 9.2 and some of the software is a bit too 
bleeding-edge (it's better than the opposite however). I've heard that 
upgrading from 9.0 -> 9.2 is relatively painless however.

- -- 
Kristian
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From billy at crystald.com  Tue Oct 21 20:31:16 2003
From: billy at crystald.com (Billy Mitchell)
Date: Tue Oct 21 20:32:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
Message-ID: 

Any plans to support Outlook 2003?  Saw it in stores today.
 
Best Regards,
Billy
From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Oct 21 20:56:59 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard)
Date: Tue Oct 21 20:53:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: [spambayes-dev] Directory structure for "combined
	binary"
In-Reply-To: <043901c39834$3ee14d60$f502a8c0@eden>
References: <043901c39834$3ee14d60$f502a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <1066784216.5322.3.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com>

Hi,

> Finally, note that by default, the installer will only install enough for
> *either* of the 2 applications.  It is possible to have the installer
> install both, but by default it will detect which app to install (based on
> if Outlook appears installed).  

Even if Outlook is installed I hope it will be possible to install only 
sb_server! 

Remi

-- 
Remi Ricard 


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Oct 21 20:58:52 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Oct 21 20:58:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: [spambayes-dev] Directory structure for "combined
	binary"
In-Reply-To: <1066784216.5322.3.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com>
Message-ID: <043c01c39837$a9de0970$f502a8c0@eden>

> Even if Outlook is installed I hope it will be possible to 
> install only sb_server! 

Even if for no better reason than so I can test it 

Mark.


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 21 21:02:29 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 21 20:59:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08A40@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0D4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Any plans to support Outlook 2003?  Saw it in stores today.

SpamBayes should already work with Outlook 2003; certainly that's what has
been reported so far.

=Tony Meyer


From robert6 at cox.net  Tue Oct 21 22:02:48 2003
From: robert6 at cox.net (Bob Arthur)
Date: Tue Oct 21 22:02:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes folders
Message-ID: <000001c39840$97d47d00$6401a8c0@boboffice>

I installed version 8 last week and everything was fine until tonight.
For some reason when I clicked on the Junk folder I got a message that
the folder couldn't be found.  So I (probably wrongly) decided to delete
the questionable Spam folder (forget its name) and uninstalled
SpamBayes.  I reinstalled it thinking the two Spam folders would be
re-created.  During install I was given no installation options.  Now I
have the program installed but filtering is disabled because the two
folders are missing.  
 
What can I do at this point?  I assumed that by uninstalling the program
I'd also delete any configuration files but apparently that is not the
case.  I really like this program and hope you can get me back on the
right track.
 
Thanks in advance for your help.
 
Bob Arthur 
From bspiker at stayfree.co.uk  Wed Oct 22 02:38:59 2003
From: bspiker at stayfree.co.uk (Brian Spiker)
Date: Wed Oct 22 02:37:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] newbie question about when to empty the spam folder...
Message-ID: <016901c39867$2cab8ec0$0200000a@compaq5004xp>

Well that is it. I have been marking all the items as read just so I can
keep track of how the tool is doing. Does SpamBayes need all that
"spam", or can I remove it all once I know that it is all worthless
total junk?
 
Oh not that it matters for this question:
 
OS Name Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Version 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Build 2600

outlook 10.0.2627 45.41 KB (46,496 bytes) 3/7/2001 7:15 AM Microsoft
Corporation c:\program files\microsoft office\office10\outlook.exe

 
Cheers!
Brian...
From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 22 02:46:54 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 22 02:44:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] newbie question about when to empty the spam folder...
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08ADA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Well that is it.

Please see FAQ 4.6:



=Tony Meyer


From syver at inout.no  Wed Oct 22 04:11:52 2003
From: syver at inout.no (Syver Enstad)
Date: Wed Oct 22 04:08:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes fails with default settings for virus Scanner
	NOD32
Message-ID: 


Here is the traceback that happens when trying to do a retr through
the SpamBayes proxy when NOD32 IMON setup is set to maximum
efficency. The fix is to set Email scanning to maximum compatability
instead.

error: uncaptured python exception, closing channel
<__main__.ServerLineReader connected at 0xf61d18>
(socket.error:(10035, 'The socket operation could not comp lete
without blocking') [C:\Python22\lib\asynchat.py|handle_read|82]
[c:\python22\lib\asyncore.py|recv|362])

The result is that the proxy just hangs indefinitely. 

Clarification: I don't suggest that this is a bug in SpamBayes proxy,
I just provide the finding so that people that experience the same
problem have a can see how to fix it. It might be an idea to report an
error rather than just crash and hang, maybe by sending an error mail
back to the mail client that is connecting through the proxy?





From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Wed Oct 22 05:01:20 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Wed Oct 22 05:01:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes folders
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633367@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Arthur [mailto:robert6@cox.net] 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 04:03
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes folders
> 
> 
> I installed version 8 last week and everything was fine until tonight.
> For some reason when I clicked on the Junk folder I got a message that
> the folder couldn't be found.  So I (probably wrongly) 
> decided to delete
> the questionable Spam folder (forget its name) and uninstalled
> SpamBayes.  I reinstalled it thinking the two Spam folders would be
> re-created.  During install I was given no installation 
> options.  Now I
> have the program installed but filtering is disabled because the two
> folders are missing.  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Arthur [mailto:robert6@cox.net] 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 04:03
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with SpamBayes folders
> 
> 
> I installed version 8 last week and everything was fine until tonight.
> For some reason when I clicked on the Junk folder I got a message that
> the folder couldn't be found.  So I (probably wrongly) 
> decided to delete
> the questionable Spam folder (forget its name) and uninstalled
> SpamBayes.  I reinstalled it thinking the two Spam folders would be
> re-created.  During install I was given no installation 
> options.  Now I
> have the program installed but filtering is disabled because the two
> folders are missing.  
>  
> What can I do at this point?  I assumed that by uninstalling 
> the program
> I'd also delete any configuration files but apparently that is not the
> case.  I really like this program and hope you can get me back on the
> right track.
>  

As far as I read on this mailinglist so far, it's fairly not enough to
uninstall spambayes if you plan to reinistall it for a brainwash. You
should have (DON'T DO IT NOW!) deleted all files (including
configuration- and database-files within C:\documents and
settins\\application data\spambayes) and settings within the
registry.
DON'T DO IT NOW ! This would delete all settings and already trained
messages. I'm pretty sure you are able to recover it all "by hand". To
brainwash SpamBayes is probably only useful if you are stuck with
Spambayes itself and other (less lethal) measures did'nt work either.
i.E. When it does not respond anymore to clicks on the toolbar, if it
simply doesn't filter anymore or something like that, altough you
already checked it's not simply a deactivated outlook-addin (outlook
itself is able to deactivate addins).

Anyhow, it's most probably easier to reconfigure spambayes yourself by
on one hand using the reconfiguration wizard (which may be not included
in your version. I know version 007 didn't, but 0081 does.) or one the
other hand havinig some work:
- ensure there are the folders you need: some of the installation guides
recommend "Spam" and "Possible Spam". I do not know WHY it's recommended
that way, but I'll always take these names until I really NEED other
names.
- sort / filter at least 5 ham and 5 spam manually.
- train spambayes on these messages
- enable filtering by specifying the folders you created previously
- should be done !

Unfortunately, this does not solve your initial problem of unavaiable
folders. It may reappear at any time, so it is possibly important for
you to NOT delete the spambayes database anymore, or to back it up so
you don't need to retrain every time it happens.

good luck, Manuel

From U.Konrad at fz-rossendorf.de  Wed Oct 22 05:06:50 2003
From: U.Konrad at fz-rossendorf.de (Konrad, Uwe)
Date: Wed Oct 22 05:08:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall the Outlook Add-In
Message-ID: <92A62E139411AD429632CB571CA8B2B306E1A4@w2ks04.ad.fz-rossendorf.de>

How to uninstall the Outlook Add-In?

after I upgraded MS-Outlook 2000 I can?t even select the SpamBayes menu in the Outlook toolbar (immediate Outlook crash). 
Since I now have a server based Spam filter I don?t need SpamBayes anymore. Is there a way to uninstall this add-in properly (I don?t even know whether an unistall item was in the menu)?

Thanks in advance.
Uwe Konrad

From bjorn at strakt.com  Wed Oct 22 05:20:16 2003
From: bjorn at strakt.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_Sandberg?=)
Date: Wed Oct 22 05:20:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug in classifier.py
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0A6@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: 

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003, Tony Meyer wrote:

> > I have just downloaded version 1.0a6.1, and after some
> > tinkering got it to work properly with procmail. However,
> > every time I get a "ham" message, the sb_filter script
> > generates a traceback:
> [...]
> >   File "/u/bjorn/src/spambayes/spambayes/classifier.py", line
> > 243, in probability
> >     assert hamcount <= nham
>
> This means that the database is no longer good, i.e. that you have seen a
> ham token - "content-type:text/plain", in more ham messages than you have
> trained on.

[snip]

> In any case, the solution is to either retrain from scratch, or to flatten
> your database to a text file (sb_dbexpimp.py), fix the totals at the top,
> and then unflatten it again.

Things are working - sort of. After rebuilding my database from scratch,
sb_filter is working nicely. However, I have been forced to stop the
automatic updating of the database, since chances are that mboxtrain will
fail.

I'm running SpamBayes 1.0a6.1 with procmail doing the actual mail sorting.
Spam goes into a normal, 'mbox' file, other mail uses MH folders.

I have a cron job that runs in the early morning to train on new incoming
mail. This appears to set the X-Spambayes-Trained header as it's supposed
to.

Whenever I find mail that's been misplaced, I move it to the 'spam'
folder, expecting sb_mboxtrain.py to retrain it the next morning.
However, my impression is that during the retraining, the
X-Spambayes-Trained header is left unmodified! This causes problems later
on, since it attempts to 'untrain' the message _twice_, triggering a
traceback.

This would not be such a big problem if sb_mboxtrain.py handled the
database in a gentle manner. The problem is that it doesn't - any failure
during the retraining procedure leaves the database in an inconsistent
state! This is what caused the earlier traceback; sb_filter is doing its
best, the problem lies in the working data.

I hope this gives you enough information to work with. To solve this
problem, you should preferably fix both bugs - the header issue as well as
gentler handling of the database info.

// Bjorn

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Wed Oct 22 06:52:46 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Wed Oct 22 06:52:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall the Outlook Add-In
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633369@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Konrad, Uwe [mailto:U.Konrad@fz-rossendorf.de] 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 11:07
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] How to uninstall the Outlook Add-In
> 
> 
> How to uninstall the Outlook Add-In?
> 

Mhmm, the cause I didn't find it within the FAQ is most probably it's
not a frequently asked question :)


Unless you've got a very version of Spambayes, the easiest way should be
trough "Add or Remove Programs" within your Windows Control Panel. There
you should find something called like "Spambayes Outlook Addin
$Version".

If not (due to a corrupted uninstaller or an older version) you might
try to execute a file called 
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\unins000.exe or something like
that.

regards,Manuel

From rross at vigsec.com  Wed Oct 22 09:27:44 2003
From: rross at vigsec.com (Ron Ross)
Date: Wed Oct 22 09:27:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility with Outlook 2003
Message-ID: 

Hello, 

 

I have SpamBayes ( Current version .081)

 

Is it compatible with Outlook 2003? 

 

I loaded Outlook 2003 and SpamBayes would not load.

 

Virus protection was off.

 

 

Suggestions?

 

 

Ron Ross 

rross@vigilantesecurity.com  

 

 

 

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Wed Oct 22 10:22:23 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Wed Oct 22 10:22:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility with Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63336E@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Ross [mailto:rross@vigsec.com] 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 15:28
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Compatibility with Outlook 2003
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> I have SpamBayes ( Current version .081)
> Is it compatible with Outlook 2003? 

Hi, it's been asked a few times on this list, and the answer was always
something like "I think, why else should it not" or "I heard it works
great"

> I loaded Outlook 2003 and SpamBayes would not load.

Are you sure you're not just a victim of FAQ 3.7 ?
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-ne
ed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out

> Virus protection was off.
which virus protection ?

Manuel

From paul at infosysassociates.com  Wed Oct 22 11:28:47 2003
From: paul at infosysassociates.com (Paul Soderlund)
Date: Wed Oct 22 11:29:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
Message-ID: <003a01c398b1$3261cf10$0a00a8c0@InfoSys2>

There are some sources for e-mail which I would like to route directly to
Deleted Messages.  SpamBayes appears to look at them before my Inbox rules
and routes them to a filtered e-mail box.  How can I get messages from
specifically selected sources to go directly to Deleted?

Thx,
Paul



Paul Soderlund 

6521 NE Sundance Lane 
Bainbridge Island, WA 98110 
Phone:  206-903-8935 
Fax:      206-903-8935 

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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Oct 22 12:04:22 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Oct 22 12:04:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <200310220015.07150.kreide@online.no>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200310212328.33616.kreide@online.no>
	<16277.43653.431275.227050@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<200310220015.07150.kreide@online.no>
Message-ID: <16278.43654.796536.417674@montanaro.dyndns.org>

    Kristian>     return bsddb.hashopen(*args)
    Kristian> bsddb.error: (22, 'Invalid argument')

Yes, that looks like either a file version (incompatible versions of DB
file) or file format (e.g. gdbm rather than DB) file.

    Kristian> I installed db4-utils and tried db_upgrade; this gives me the
    Kristian> following error however:

    Kristian> $ db_upgrade hammie.db
    Kristian> db_upgrade: hammie.db: unrecognized file type
    Kristian> db_upgrade: DB->upgrade: hammie.db: Invalid argument

Hmmm...  What does

    file hammie.db

tell you?  On my Mandrake 8.1 system I get this:

    % file hammie.db 
    hammie.db: Berkeley DB (Hash, version 7, big-endian)

If you have a file created by gdbm you should see something like

    % file gdbm.db
    gdbm.db: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian

If you have a file created by dbm you might get any number of things, a db
file, an old Berkeley db file or a gdbm file.  For example, I get:

    % file dbm.db.db 
    dbm.db.db: Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)

    Kristian> I think I'll skip trying to install db3.

Agreed.  I suspect you're past needing that.  Mostly at this point it's
education for us so we can provide a useful q&a for the FAQ.

Skip


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Wed Oct 22 14:03:25 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Wed Oct 22 14:03:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633370@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Paul Soderlund
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 17:29
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
> 
> There are some sources for e-mail which I would like to route 
> directly to Deleted Messages.  SpamBayes appears to look at 
> them before my Inbox rules and routes them to a filtered 
> e-mail box.  How can I get messages from specifically 
> selected sources to go directly to Deleted?
> 

Hi. I wrote a "recipe" on the wiki for this problem.
http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/BackgroundScanningForOutlookRules

This will become a FAQ in short time, just gimme the time to reactivate
my old sourceforge-account...

get happy, Manuel

From sglass at JSAHealthcare.com  Wed Oct 22 14:54:05 2003
From: sglass at JSAHealthcare.com (Stanley Glass)
Date: Wed Oct 22 14:54:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New Mail Icon
Message-ID: 

The icon that comes up in the SysTray does not go away when a spam message is put into the Junk E-Mail folder and marked as Read. I am currently running SpamBayes on WinXP Pro with Outlook 2000 on a Dell Inspiron 8500 laptop.

p.s. so far so AWESOME.

Stanley Glass Jr
Programmer
JSA Healthcare
(727) 828 - 2386


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Wed Oct 22 15:06:23 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Wed Oct 22 15:06:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] New Mail Icon
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633373@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stanley Glass [mailto:sglass@JSAHealthcare.com] 
> Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 20:54
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] New Mail Icon
> 
> The icon that comes up in the SysTray does not go away when a 
> spam message is put into the Junk E-Mail folder and marked as 
> Read. 

Hi, this is a known issue, and already reported in FeatureRequest774978

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=774978&group_i
d=61702&atid=498106

The main problem is that spambayes is not able to recognize WHEN TO
LEAVE the icon anyway, due to another unread HAM message.

greetings, Manuel

From mtiller at ford.com  Wed Oct 22 15:19:12 2003
From: mtiller at ford.com (Tiller, Michael (M.M.))
Date: Wed Oct 22 15:19:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with 1.0a6
Message-ID: <6F7AD2AD5765D3118A7A0090278730212A4F6DA1@na1fcm06.dearborn.ford.com>

I'm trying to use the sb_imapfilter.py script in 1.0a6 and when it runs (using the suggested command line flags for training) I get an error in _extract_fetch_data that says "TypeError: expected string or buffer".
 
I'm curious if anybody else had this problem.  I did a very slight amount of digging and found that I got a value for response of "None".  At this point, I'm dead in the water.  One thing I did notice was that in the documentation it mentions something about "RFC822.Headers" and the reponse before the None response was something like "1 (UID RFC822.Header {1633}" (that is from memory but I'm pretty sure about the unmatched paren).
 
BTW, I'm using the Mercury mail system on Win98.  I've run a couple of IMAP clients against the mail server and it seems to work fine.  Any help would be appreciated.  Also, if there is anything you want me to try out (potential patches, more diagnostics) just let me know.
 
--
Mike
 
 
From DFOX at jwinsurance.com  Wed Oct 22 17:15:45 2003
From: DFOX at jwinsurance.com (Dan Fox)
Date: Wed Oct 22 17:15:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes suggestion
Message-ID: 

I just installed SpamBayes on my XP Professional computer. One
suggestion: Why not allow a white list, where we can specify a
particular email address or a dull domain to be ignored by SpamBay. Some
of my company's internal email wants to get treated as spam. Maybe as
time goes on, it will learn these are not spam, but I have to keep
checking the spam folders.

 

Overall, I like what I see so far.

 

_________________________________________________
Daniel J. Fox
Johnson-Witkemper, Inc.
305 Washington Sreet
P.O. Box 1569
Columbus, IN 47202-1569
  dfox@jwinsurance.com
(812) 372-7829
(812) 372-0026 fax

*** Please be advised that your email will not bind or alter coverage.
***

 

From kreide at online.no  Wed Oct 22 17:47:06 2003
From: kreide at online.no (Kristian Eide)
Date: Wed Oct 22 17:47:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <16278.43654.796536.417674@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200310220015.07150.kreide@online.no>
	<16278.43654.796536.417674@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <200310222347.10672.kreide@online.no>

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> If you have a file created by gdbm you should see something like
>     % file gdbm.db
>     gdbm.db: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian

Yes, this is what I get:

$ file hammie.db
hammie.db: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian

Let me know if I should do more tests.

- -- 
Kristian
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From skip at pobox.com  Wed Oct 22 18:08:44 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Oct 22 18:09:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Upgrading python
In-Reply-To: <200310222347.10672.kreide@online.no>
References: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29BA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
	<200310220015.07150.kreide@online.no>
	<16278.43654.796536.417674@montanaro.dyndns.org>
	<200310222347.10672.kreide@online.no>
Message-ID: <16278.65516.25350.59343@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> If you have a file created by gdbm you should see something like
    >> % file gdbm.db
    >> gdbm.db: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian

    Kristian> Yes, this is what I get:

    Kristian> $ file hammie.db
    Kristian> hammie.db: GNU dbm 1.x or ndbm database, little endian

    Kristian> Let me know if I should do more tests.

That explains things perfectly.  I would be curious to know if this works
for you from a Python (2.3) prompt:

    import gdbm
    db = gdbm.open("hammie.db")
    print len(db)
    db.close()

When you were running Mandrake 9.1, you apparently didn't have the proper
RPMs installed to build and/or use the bsddb module from Python 2.2.
Accordingly, when SpamBayes created your database it used the gdbm module.
After upgrading to 9.2, bsddb became available from Python 2.3.  Since bsddb
is the preferred way to open such files in SpamBayes, it tried to use that
but failed, even though it might have successfully opened the file using
gdbm.

I think we can probably fix this - let the format of the file tell us how to
open preexisting databases instead of blindly assuming a static ordered list
of preferred modules.  Tony, I think you've worked on the storage code the
most recently.  Does a simple fix leap out at you?

Skip

From coulters at netspace.net.au  Wed Oct 22 08:02:03 2003
From: coulters at netspace.net.au (John Coulter)
Date: Wed Oct 22 20:03:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and Direct
Message-ID: <3F9671BB.8030300@netspace.net.au>


Dear Tony,
Thank you for your help so far. You must be incredibly patient. I double 
clicked the 'pop3proxy_tray.py' file and I also tried running it from 
the windows 'Run' option but neither gave me an icon on the screen such 
as you described. I have nonetheless put the file 'pop3proxy_tray.py' in 
the startup menu so it should load every time on startup. Also in the 
directory C:\spambayes-1.0a5\windows I noticed a file called 
autoconfigure which I double clicked thinking that it might do what its 
name implies but it did not seem to change anything and when I opened it 
to read its contents it seemed a description of what needs to be 
configured but the terms don't mean anything to me.
As mentioned earlier I don't know  whether there is any difference 
between a pop3 and a pop and while I can see what the general idea is, 
namely, channelling incoming mails through an intermediate detector to 
separate spam from ham, I can't understand enough of the jargon to be 
sure what and where to change things.
Here are my present settings:
In Netspace 7.0 under edit/preferences/advanced/proxies there are five 
lines as follows:
HTTP Proxy: proxy.netspace.net.au  Port 8080
SSL Proxy:         blank                    Port 0
FTP Proxy:         blank                    Port 0
Gopher Proxy:     blank                    Port 0
Socks Host:         blank                    Port 0
Under that the option 'Socks v5' is checked
Then a line which reads 'No proxy for:' followed by a blank space
And below that again 'Automatic proxy configuration URL:' is not checked

In the same general window 'Edit/Preferences/Advanced/HTTP networking, 
there are two sides:
Direct Connection
Use HTTP 1.1 is checked as is Enable keep alive
and on the other side
Proxy Connection options
Use HTTP 1.1 is checked as is Enable keep alive

Then under Mail and Newsgroups Account settings:
Server Settings
Server Name: pop.netspace.net.au
User Name: coulters
Port 110

Also under Mail and Newsgroups Account Settings
Addressing: When looking up addresses: checked is 'use my global LDAP 
server preferences for this account'

Also
Outgoing Server (SMTP)
Server Name: mail.netspace.net.au

There is also a facility for adding an account. I don't know whether 
this is an option that could be used with spambayes?

I have replaced both the Server Name as well as the SMTP settings with 
the word 'localhost' but could not retrieve any emails.

Running 'C:\spambayes-1.0a5\build\scripts-2.3\pop3proxy.py -b' briefly 
opens a dos window followed by the Netscape window  showing the address 
http://localhost: 8880/ and the 'My Connection' window. If I click 
'connect' I get the message 'The requested URL could not be retrieved'.

I apologise for burdening you with all of this as I suspect that most is 
not relevant - but I don't know exactly what to change and where to 
change it. Since we started this correspondence I have accumulated 465 
spams - about 40% of all the messages I have received so you can 
understand my desire to get your program working.

With best wishes,
John

Meyer, Tony wrote:

>The easiest way is to double-click the "pop3proxy_tray.py" file that is
>in the "windows" directory in the "spambayes-1.0a5" directory.  This
>should add a wee mail icon to the 'tray' (by the clock).  If you right
>click that you should get a menu from which you can choose
>"configuration", and it's hopefully straight-forward from there.  You'll
>want to start up pop3proxy_tray every time you start windows - the
>easiest way of doing this is to put a shortcut (right-click and choose
>"create shortcut") in the startup items folder.
>
>  
>
>>running C:\spambayes-1.0a5\setup.py install 
>>has certainly changed the files within spambayes.
>>For example before this change there was a file
>>C: \spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes-1.0a5\testtools\data\ spam (or ham)\set
>>    
>>
>1 (2,3,4)
>  
>
>>There is no such file within testtools after running the setup.py
>>    
>>
>install
>
>Those directories should only have been created if you were using the
>testing setup; presumably something you tried along the way created
>them.  I have no idea why they would go, either.
>
>The way to check if the install occurred is to look in the
>"C:\python23\Scripts" directory.  If there is a file called
>"pop3proxy.py", then it did.
>
>=Tony Meyer
>
>  
>

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 22 21:01:17 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 22 20:58:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08C29@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0E4@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I just installed SpamBayes on my XP Professional computer. One
> suggestion: Why not allow a white list, where we can specify 
> a particular email address or a dull domain to be ignored by 
> SpamBayes. Some of my company's internal email wants to get 
> treated as spam. Maybe as time goes on, it will learn these 
> are not spam, but I have to keep checking the spam folders.

Please see FAQ 6.6:



=Tony Meyer


From mspolarbear at msmisp.com  Wed Oct 22 21:29:08 2003
From: mspolarbear at msmisp.com (Adrianne Walker)
Date: Wed Oct 22 21:31:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes quit!
Message-ID: <000301c39905$0f17a580$eb6cc8d0@j9l5w6>

My program quit working today and when I attempt to reconfigure nothing
happens; the 'enable' box un-checks itself, then after I check it and
attempt to close a window appears saying I have to configure. I am
caught in some sort of never ending loop. Also, the configure wizard
does not happen. Please be aware that I am not all that conversant with
software/computer talk. Had been working fine for about  6 weeks. Can
you help? I have use Windows ME, and have the last release of MicroSoft
Office XP.
From guthrie at mum.edu  Wed Oct 22 23:33:53 2003
From: guthrie at mum.edu (Gregory Guthrie)
Date: Wed Oct 22 23:33:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora IMAP?
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20031022223001.024070f0@mail.mum.edu>

the FAQ says that
    "SpamBayes will work with most POP3 or IMAP compatible clients"

but the Eudora setup description is only for POP3 servers.

How do I setup a Eudora (6.0) IMAP client to use SpamBayes?

Thanks.


--------------------------------------------------------
Gregory Guthrie
guthrie@mum.edu
-------------------------------------------------------- 


From shwatkin at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 22 23:56:32 2003
From: shwatkin at hotmail.com (Shawn Watkinson)
Date: Wed Oct 22 23:56:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 support?
Message-ID: 

I was reading about your SpamBayes Outlook Plugin in PC World and I was
wondering if your product is testing and working on Outlook 2003?

Thank you for your time.

 

- Shawn Watkinson

From stefan at tspse.net  Thu Oct 23 03:49:37 2003
From: stefan at tspse.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Stefan_Gr=F6nberg?=)
Date: Thu Oct 23 03:49:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 support?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <200310230942962.SM02332@vandread>

 Im using Spambayes on my Outlook 2003, and it
works quite good ;P


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Watkinson
> Sent: den 23 oktober 2003 05:57
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 support?
> 
> I was reading about your SpamBayes Outlook Plugin in PC World 
> and I was wondering if your product is testing and working on 
> Outlook 2003?
> 
> Thank you for your time.
> 
>  
> 
> - Shawn Watkinson
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 
> 



From barry.shiffrin at lmco.com  Thu Oct 23 09:15:27 2003
From: barry.shiffrin at lmco.com (Shiffrin, Barry)
Date: Thu Oct 23 09:15:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] SpamBayes on a Citrix server
Message-ID: <3BE9E6535E3029448670913581E7A1A2223C27@EMSS35M06.us.lmco.com>

Spambayes is working fine on my regular workstation, but I also use a Citrix
server when I am at home and connect to work.  This allows fast access to
work resources.  Citrix gives each user their own desktop, etc.  

I installed SpamBayes on my Citrix session and didn't realize the side
effects.  Other users of the server began to get Spambayes prompts when they
started Outlook.  Our admin removed SpamBayes using Add/Remove programs, but
he is still getting COM errors from Outlook.

Does anyone have any idea how to truly uninstall SpamBayes manually?  There
are still SpamBayes registry entries.  Are these documented anywhere so we
can manually remove them?

Barry Shiffrin


From DanielB at mapleusa.com  Thu Oct 23 13:03:18 2003
From: DanielB at mapleusa.com (Daniel Bron)
Date: Thu Oct 23 13:03:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Don't allow Outlook to raise mail alert if incoming
	mail is spam
Message-ID: 

Hello,

Normally I check my mail whenever I see the new mail icon in my systray, but
often this is wasted effort because all the mail is spam.  A feature I'd
like to see in SpamBayes is to prevent Outlook from raising mail alerts
(systray icon, new mail sound, dialog box, etc) if all the incoming mail is
spam.  This feature should be optional, and configurable for both 'spam' and
'suspects'.  

Is this possible? I don't know the Outlook addin API.

-D. Bron

From dowelljonathan at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 23 13:22:52 2003
From: dowelljonathan at hotmail.com (Jon Dowell)
Date: Thu Oct 23 13:22:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug: Outlook 2003 + Spambayes + Preview Pane == Outlook
	Crash
Message-ID: 

I'm using Windows XP SP1, Outlook 2003 (Final), SpamBayes Add-in 0.81
(binary version). Log file attached is typical (all crashes produce the same
log file, basically).

If the Inbox (which is the default folder Outlook start in) has the Reading
Pane enabled, Outlook crashes just after the reading pane becomes visible.
This takes just a split-second (I can see it, then it is gone).

If I uninstall SpamBayes, Outlook loads normally. If I reinstall, it crashes
again. If I uninstall, turn off the Reading Pane, and then reinstall I get
no crash.

If I switch to a different folder with the Reading Pane on (such as my
Hotmail account) nothing happens; it only crashes Outlook if the Reading
Pane is on in the starting folder.

Please note that unlike the older Preview Pane, the Reading Pane isn't
dangerous--it doesn't download images by default, preventing spammers from
validating your address (and sanity loss from disturbing images).

This crash is reproducible on my machine.

SpamBayes is more important than the reading pane, naturally--but I'd like
to use both if possible.

Thanks!
-Jon Dowell


begin 666 spambayes1.log
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M65S(&1A=&%B87-E(&EN:71I86QI>F5D
M('=I=&@@-C(R('-P86T@86YD(#,T(&=O;V0@;65S T*4W!A;4)A>65S.B!7871C:&EN9R!F;W(@
M;F5W(&UE


Hi, this is a known issue, and already reported in FeatureRequest [
774978 ]

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=774978&group_i
d=61702&atid=498106

The main problem is that spambayes is not able to recognize WHEN TO
LEAVE the icon anyway, due to another unread HAM message.

I plan to write a FAQ (including answer) about this.

greetings, Manuel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Bron [mailto:DanielB@mapleusa.com] 
> Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2003 19:03
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Don't allow Outlook to raise mail alert 
> if incomingmail is spam
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Normally I check my mail whenever I see the new mail icon in 
> my systray, but
> often this is wasted effort because all the mail is spam.  A 
> feature I'd
> like to see in SpamBayes is to prevent Outlook from raising 
> mail alerts
> (systray icon, new mail sound, dialog box, etc) if all the 
> incoming mail is
> spam.  This feature should be optional, and configurable for 
> both 'spam' and
> 'suspects'.  
> 
> Is this possible? I don't know the Outlook addin API.
> 
> -D. Bron
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From mike at ecatapult.com  Thu Oct 23 15:40:37 2003
From: mike at ecatapult.com (Mike Eltzroth)
Date: Thu Oct 23 15:40:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Product Review
Message-ID: <008d01c3999d$894324e0$200646a6@mydomain.com>

My name is Mike Eltzroth, Vice President of eCatapult Corporation.  I am responding to an email that I received from a customer that is evaluating your product and also other products that are on our review site, www.spamfilterreview.com.   I am the coordinator for Product Reviews and Advertising on our review sites. I want to contact you and see if you might want your product reviewed for our next site update.  The Product Review process takes two days to complete which includes a report of the results.  We compare your product to others within the same niche. This is a fee based service, because of the high volume of requests and products we receive.  We can do a product review of Spambayes for $500.00. To get started, we need a copy of your software and any documentation you may have about the product or download capabilities from your website.  

We also have Advertising opportunities on our review sites that are very cost effective and advertisers have experienced great ROI.  You may want to explore these options as well.  Here are the links to our review sites:


www.internetfilterreview.com

www.spamfilterreview.com

www.privacy-software-review.com

www.dvd-copy-software-review.com

Our advertising rate sheet and banner location for all these sites is now at www.internetfilterreview.com/advertising.html.  

As an added service, we accept MasterCard, Visa, and American Express.  If you would like to discuss these options in more detail, please feel free to contact me.  

Thanks,

Mike Eltzroth
Vice President 
eCatapult
801-430-7994
From lrovenski at newcas.com  Thu Oct 23 16:06:27 2003
From: lrovenski at newcas.com (Len C Rovenski)
Date: Thu Oct 23 15:59:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
Message-ID: 

Hello, 
Can you help us get our emails through to one of your subscribers?
kovalenko@yelets.lipetsk.ru.

Could you forward this to the webmaster at this server for the server
subscriber above?

Our emails are being rejected by: 550-Blocked by cw.blackholes.us 

Can you help?

Thanks,
Len







From tommy at ilm.com  Thu Oct 23 16:09:51 2003
From: tommy at ilm.com (Tommy Burnette)
Date: Thu Oct 23 16:10:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a negative review...
Message-ID: <16280.13711.952225.648273@evoke.lucasdigital.com>

Hey,

I've been a happy user of spambayes (redhat 7.2 & xemacs/vm) for a
little whle now, but it seems my friend Matt Conway is not.  Check out
the October 23 entry here, titled "Spambayes for Outlook: The vote is
NO":

http://www.bigredblob.com/

I'm not subscribed to this list, but I thought I'd pass this on in
case somebody wanted to find out just what went wrong (and possibly
remove a source of negative publicity)...

From mike at ecatapult.com  Thu Oct 23 16:28:09 2003
From: mike at ecatapult.com (Mike Eltzroth)
Date: Thu Oct 23 16:27:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Pissed off
Message-ID: <00af01c399a4$2ccca040$200646a6@mydomain.com>

No, I am not a spammer.  I would like to talk to you about this customer
that likes your product.  I'm sure you get your share of spam like the rest
of us do.  That is why we have one of the review site for just spam. I also
have many writer friends with PC Week Magazine, Consumer Reports,  and
E-Week.  Please feel free to contact me.  If  I was a spammer, I wouldn't
give you my phone number or contact information.

Thank you,

Mike Eltzroth
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pissed Off" 
To: "Mike Eltzroth" 
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Product Review


> Mike Eltzroth  wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Fuck off and die, you spammer.
>
From jayjay at cox.net  Thu Oct 23 16:33:43 2003
From: jayjay at cox.net (Jimmie R Jackson)
Date: Thu Oct 23 16:34:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] configuring spam folder
Message-ID: <002801c399a4$f3ca17e0$0300a8c0@hr.cox.net>

How do I configure the spam folder.  I get an error that say ?you must
configure the spam folder? can you please help me.  I am using windows
98 2nd edition and outlook 2002 xp.  Thanks you
From rmalayter at bai.org  Thu Oct 23 17:12:13 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Thu Oct 23 17:12:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D489@cliff.bai.org>

You're being blocked from sending that person email because the
recipient you're trying to reach has chosen to use the cw.blackholes.us
as a blacklist on his mail server. 

This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the SpamBayes program. Go
away, please.

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces@python.org [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]
On Behalf Of Len C Rovenski
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 3:06 PM
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through


Hello, 
Can you help us get our emails through to one of your subscribers?
kovalenko@yelets.lipetsk.ru.

Could you forward this to the webmaster at this server for the server
subscriber above?

Our emails are being rejected by: 550-Blocked by cw.blackholes.us 

Can you help?

Thanks,
Len







_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From richie at entrian.com  Thu Oct 23 17:29:50 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Oct 23 17:29:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a negative review...
In-Reply-To: <16280.13711.952225.648273@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
References: <16280.13711.952225.648273@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Message-ID: <0uhgpv0tot6rdv1n3pb2vnjjjlrh6784t0@4ax.com>


[Tommy]
> Check out the October 23 entry here, titled "Spambayes for Outlook:
> The vote is NO":

Thanks for pointing that out.  I've added the following comment to the
article:

------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you can tell us in detail what happened, please do take the time to
submit bug reports.

If the SpamBayes engine itself was doing a good job of filtering spam for
you, you might consider using the SpamBayes POP3 proxy instead of the
Outlook plugin.  It's not as user-friendly as the plugin (when the plugin
works 8-) but it's also a lot less intrusive to your Outlook setup.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

-- 
Richie


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 23 17:28:22 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Thu Oct 23 17:37:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D489@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D489@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <3F9847F6.9090604@videotron.ca>

Hi everyone,

>This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the SpamBayes program. Go
>away, please.
>

> Fuck off and die, you spammer.


I think the above replies are not the best way to publicise  Spambayes

Remi


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Thu Oct 23 17:47:08 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Thu Oct 23 17:47:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] configuring spam folder
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633388@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmie R Jackson [mailto:jayjay@cox.net] 
> Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2003 22:34
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] configuring spam folder
> 
> How do I configure the spam folder.  I get an error that say "you must
> configure the spam folder" can you please help me.  I am using windows
> 98 2nd edition and outlook 2002 xp.  Thanks you

This FAQ should cover it, but is not precise enough:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-ne
ed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out
If you are using the Outlook-Addin, you should have the SpamBayes
toolbar visible. The rightmost button is somehow a drop-down-menu where
you can get to the configurations-pane. From here you should be able to
process the FAQ-clue.

greetings, Manuel

From skip at pobox.com  Thu Oct 23 17:49:31 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Oct 23 17:49:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
In-Reply-To: <3F9847F6.9090604@videotron.ca>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D489@cliff.bai.org>
	<3F9847F6.9090604@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <16280.19691.727329.594372@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    >> This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the SpamBayes
    >> program. Go away, please.

    >> Fuck off and die, you spammer.

    Remi> I think the above replies are not the best way to publicise
    Remi> Spambayes

Agreed.  The Python community as a whole generally seems more tolerant of
unwarranted intrusions than most.  I kind of expect the SpamBayes folks to
show the same sort of restraint, even if not everyone is familiar with how
nonflammable comp.lang.python tends to be.

Skip

From rmalayter at bai.org  Thu Oct 23 18:08:31 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:08:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D48C@cliff.bai.org>

>I kind of expect the SpamBayes folks to 
>show the same sort of restraint, even if 
>not everyone is familiar with how
>nonflammable comp.lang.python tends to be.

First of all, I asked Mr. Rovenski to go away "please". That's as much
restraint as I could muster for a poster in this forum asking how to
dodge a spam filter. Note that I personally never used foul language, so
please don't lump me into the same category as pissedoff@anonymous.com.

Secondly, the email with the subject "help the mail get through" was
totally off the topic of this list.

Finally, this is not comp.lang.python, it's a mailing list for an
anti-spam program that has a much broader audience. A post here that
solicits business via email or asks how to get around spam blacklists
should, in my opinion, receive a very negative response.

Tolerance is fine and good; tolerance of spammers in an anti-spam forum
is asking a bit much, don't you think?

Regards,
	-Ryan-

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Thu Oct 23 18:08:56 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:09:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED63338A@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Soderlund [mailto:paul@infosysassociates.com] 
> Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2003 03:53
> To: Dejonghe, Manuel
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
> 
> 
> I do not find a SpamBayes Toolbar, how do I get to it. 
> 
> Paul Soderlund 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dejonghe, Manuel [mailto:Manuel.Dejonghe@cycos.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 11:03 AM
> To: paul@infosysassociates.com; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> > [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Paul Soderlund
> > Sent: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2003 17:29
> > To: spambayes@python.org
> > Subject: [Spambayes] Automatic deletion
> > 
> > There are some sources for e-mail which I would like to route 
> > directly to Deleted Messages.  SpamBayes appears to look at 
> > them before my Inbox rules and routes them to a filtered 
> > e-mail box.  How can I get messages from specifically 
> > selected sources to go directly to Deleted?
> > 
> 
> Hi. I wrote a "recipe" on the wiki for this problem.
> http://www.entrian.com/sbwiki/BackgroundScanningForOutlookRules
> 
> This will become a FAQ in short time, just gimme the time to 
> reactivate
> my old sourceforge-account...
> 
> get happy, Manuel
> 

Hi I'm very sorry, but I must have assumed mistakenly you are using the
Outlook-Addin.
For this case, I personally can't help you (as I am not known to the
other spambayes-versions) but I assume it has a lot to do with
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#why-don-t-you-add-whitelisting
-blacklisting-to-spambayes

If despite you are using Outlook, then you've got a quite corrupt
installation, and we should have another look at it.

regards, Manuel

From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 23 18:20:48 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:22:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help get the mail through
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D48C@cliff.bai.org>
References: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D48C@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <3F985440.4010505@videotron.ca>

Ryan Malayter wrote:

>First of all, I asked Mr. Rovenski to go away "please". 
>
You can not do/say everything and get away by saying please...

>That's as much
>restraint as I could muster for a poster in this forum asking how to
>dodge a spam filter. 
>
He might have good reason. You have never been blacklisted for nothing ?


>Note that I personally never used foul language, so
>please don't lump me into the same category as pissedoff@anonymous.com.
>
This was way way more  "mechant" then your comment.
But two email in less than a day was too much for me.

>Secondly, the email with the subject "help the mail get through" was
>totally off the topic of this list.
>
You are right but when you are a new to computer you ask everywhere.

>Finally, this is not comp.lang.python, it's a mailing list for an
>anti-spam program that has a much broader audience. 
>
So we must take care of what we are saying.


>A post here that solicits business via email or asks how to get around spam blacklists
>should, in my opinion, receive a very negative response.
>
I think this was enough:

> You're being blocked from sending that person email because the
> recipient you're trying to reach has chosen to use the cw.blackholes.us
> as a blacklist on his mail server. 

> This issue has nothing whatsoever to do with the SpamBayes program.



Remi


From kjanuski at phillynews.com  Thu Oct 23 18:24:32 2003
From: kjanuski at phillynews.com (Januski, Ken)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:24:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bad Link  in Help Menu
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm a new user to SpamBayes and am using the Outlook plugin. I'm happy with
what I've seen in my brief 24 hours of testing. But I did want to point out
a minor problem that someone may want to fix. The About.html page accessed
from the Help menu seems to have a bad link for "follow these instructions."
It points to :
href="file:///e:/src/spambayes/Outlook2000/about.html#Field"

I really can't figure out what it actually should be or I'd send it along,
or just correct it myself in the About.html page.

Sincerely,

Ken Januski


From rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org  Thu Oct 23 18:28:03 2003
From: rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org (Raymond Keller)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:28:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] new user feedback
Message-ID: <20031023222803.GF3273@sloth.lifescribes.com>

Hope I'm not stumbling too boorishly into your midst... I read no
FAQs before deciding to send this.

Spambayes caught my eye some time ago with who-knows-who's positive
review of it, so I recommended it to a friend.  (Not using it (yet)
myself because I don't (yet) have a spam problem.)  They're using
... uh, the Outlook plugin, uh, probably .8 or something.

(14:52:20) I: hey, how's that spambayes working out for you?
(14:52:21) He  :  currently Rico is assing off somewhere
            instead of doing whatever it is he is supposed to be
            doing.  If you'd like to leave a message he may well get
            back to you when he gets serious again.
(14:52:31) He: works well.  I'd recommend it
(14:53:15) I: any legits (ham) getting incorrectly marked?
(14:53:33) He: I'm surprised partly that it still pulls mail aside
            as "suspect" with the large large voume of spam I get,
            I'd expect it to be trained perfectly pretty quick
(14:53:55) He: Some got marked "suspect" early, but haven't since
            the day of install
(14:54:20) I: i think it errs on the side of being unsure
(14:54:27) I: instead of accidentally deleting a legit email
(14:54:50) He: yeah, I think so
(14:55:09) I: but has it lightened your load?
(14:55:43) He: I love the idea of training it.  That wy for a while
            during training, you get a little excited every time new
            mail spam slinks through, because you get another
            opportunity to train it
(14:55:54) I: heh, fun!
(14:56:05) He: I used to get maybe 10 legit emails out of 1000 a day
(14:56:32) I: that really really stinks
(14:56:36) I: (stunk)
(14:56:52) He: Now of that 990, 80% get flagged as spam, and 19% get
            flagged as suspect, and 2% slip through
(14:56:59) He: Or 1% actually
(14:57:23) I: and it's getting better all the time, maybe not as
            dramatically as first
(14:58:16) He: Thanks for the recom.
(14:58:43) I: you bet
(14:58:45) I: glad it works

RSK

From rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org  Thu Oct 23 18:37:43 2003
From: rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org (Ray SpamBayes)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:37:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] new user feedback
Message-ID: <20031023223742.GG3273@sloth.lifescribes.com>

Hope I'm not stumbling too boorishly into your midst... I read no
FAQs before deciding to send this.

Spambayes caught my eye some time ago with who-knows-who's positive
review of it, so I recommended it to a friend.  (Not using it (yet)
myself because I don't (yet) have a spam problem.)  They're using
... uh, the Outlook plugin, uh, probably .8 or something.

(14:52:20) I: hey, how's that spambayes working out for you?
(14:52:21) He  :  currently Rico is assing off somewhere
            instead of doing whatever it is he is supposed to be
            doing.  If you'd like to leave a message he may well get
            back to you when he gets serious again.
(14:52:31) He: works well.  I'd recommend it
(14:53:15) I: any legits (ham) getting incorrectly marked?
(14:53:33) He: I'm surprised partly that it still pulls mail aside
            as "suspect" with the large large voume of spam I get,
            I'd expect it to be trained perfectly pretty quick
(14:53:55) He: Some got marked "suspect" early, but haven't since
            the day of install
(14:54:20) I: i think it errs on the side of being unsure
(14:54:27) I: instead of accidentally deleting a legit email
(14:54:50) He: yeah, I think so
(14:55:09) I: but has it lightened your load?
(14:55:43) He: I love the idea of training it.  That wy for a while
            during training, you get a little excited every time new
            mail spam slinks through, because you get another
            opportunity to train it
(14:55:54) I: heh, fun!
(14:56:05) He: I used to get maybe 10 legit emails out of 1000 a day
(14:56:32) I: that really really stinks
(14:56:36) I: (stunk)
(14:56:52) He: Now of that 990, 80% get flagged as spam, and 19% get
            flagged as suspect, and 2% slip through
(14:56:59) He: Or 1% actually
(14:57:23) I: and it's getting better all the time, maybe not as
            dramatically as first
(14:58:16) He: Thanks for the recom.
(14:58:43) I: you bet
(14:58:45) I: glad it works

RSK

From sberman3 at optonline.net  Thu Oct 23 18:44:24 2003
From: sberman3 at optonline.net (Sheldon S Berman, MD)
Date: Thu Oct 23 18:44:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] satisfaction
Message-ID: <00ab01c399b7$38a295b0$8bfbbc18@workpc>

A simple wonderful program
A big thank you from a non-teckie
 
This message is being sent from a physicians office and may contain
information which is confidential or privileged. If you are not the
intended recipient, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail
and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy.
 
From khall02 at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 23 19:50:29 2003
From: khall02 at earthlink.net (Kim Hall)
Date: Thu Oct 23 19:50:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] double emails
Message-ID: <005601c399c0$71469ed0$6501a8c0@KimTravelMachine>

Since downloading and installing spamBayes I have been getting double
emails.  The same email 2 times in succession.  How can I change this?
 
Kim Hall
VP Operations
Colorvision Int'l Inc.
407.448.7484
 
From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Oct 23 19:57:26 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu Oct 23 19:54:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora IMAP?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08CED@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0F0@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> the FAQ says that
>     "SpamBayes will work with most POP3 or IMAP compatible clients"
> 
> but the Eudora setup description is only for POP3 servers.
> 
> How do I setup a Eudora (6.0) IMAP client to use SpamBayes?

You need to use sb_imapfilter.py.  The readme instructions should be
sufficient; if they aren't, please let us know what needs improving so that
we can make the changes ;)

=Tony Meyer


From rjdh at ricochet.com  Thu Oct 23 19:54:42 2003
From: rjdh at ricochet.com (rjdh@ricochet.com)
Date: Thu Oct 23 19:54:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] suggestion
Message-ID: <1066953282.3f986a426891c@webmail.ricochet.com>

add a pop up to remind users to check thier uncertain and spam boxes 
for mail to recover.

Great Product

When it goes commercial I will buy the first copy.
You have the only real solution going right now.
Sybari Software has the next runner up.




From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Oct 23 20:08:58 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu Oct 23 20:06:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bad Link  in Help Menu
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1EC86@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0F1@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm a new user to SpamBayes and am using the Outlook plugin. 
> I'm happy with what I've seen in my brief 24 hours of 
> testing. But I did want to point out a minor problem that 
> someone may want to fix. The About.html page accessed from 
> the Help menu seems to have a bad link for "follow these 
> instructions." It points to : 
> href="file:///e:/src/spambayes/Outlook2000/about.html#Field"

Thanks for that.  We've previously corrected this, so it will be fixed for
the next release (Mark checks in links like that all the time - blame
Mozilla, apparently  - but they are almost always caught before a
release goes out :)

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Thu Oct 23 20:11:42 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Thu Oct 23 20:08:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] double emails
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1ECAB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B0F2@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Since downloading and installing spamBayes I have been 
> getting double emails.  The same email 2 times in succession. 
>  How can I change this?

Firstly, by providing us with a lot more information than this.  What
spambayes application are you using?  The Outlook plugin?  pop3proxy?
sb_server? sb_imapfilter? sb_filter? hammie.py?  What version are you using?
What operating system are you using?  Do you get your mail via POP3, IMAP,
Exchange, or something else?

The more information we have, the quicker and easier it will be to either
help you fix the problem, or fix a bug that is causing the problem.

=Tony Meyer


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Thu Oct 23 20:07:23 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Thu Oct 23 20:11:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1066953282.3f986a426891c@webmail.ricochet.com>
References: <1066953282.3f986a426891c@webmail.ricochet.com>
Message-ID: <3F986D3B.60604@videotron.ca>

Hi,

>Great Product
>
Thanks

>When it goes commercial I will buy the first copy.
>
Since it is under PSA license there is already a commercial version 
(SpamAtBayes) produced by:
Sean True
CTO
Webreply, Inc.


But If you want to donate money to this project "directly" you can do it 
see:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#what-is-the-license-how-much-does-it-cost-can-i-pay-anyway


Remi


From matt.conway at slenderthread.com  Thu Oct 23 23:04:54 2003
From: matt.conway at slenderthread.com (Matt Conway)
Date: Thu Oct 23 23:06:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook XP (2002) and Plug-In Stopped Working?
Message-ID: <000d01c399db$99aa0590$0300a8c0@attbi.com>

I am running Outlook XP on WinXP Pro and SpamBayes
0.81.

Suddenly my SpamBayes plugin just plain stopped
working, after going just fine for a little over a
week. 

SpamBayes appears to consider all the email
messages in my inbox, but never touches a thing,
spam,  ham or otherwise. Messages that have a spam
score of 98%, 99% and 100% just sit there in my
inbox. (My threshold is set to 90%, the action set
to "move messages to my spam folder")

I've looked in both the documentation and in the
last couple months of mailing list archives and
found nothing that seems to help me on this. 

Here's what I've tried:
- filtering manually
	(SpamBayes toolbar button->filter
messages...->)
- rebuilding the database
- resetting the configuration
- running the setup wizard again
- turning on background processing with the timer,
as per a suggestion in the docs.
- re-registering the dll : regsvr32.exe
spambayes_addin.dll
- removing and reinstalling (and cleaning out the
registry myself)

I know this is very little to go on, but I have to
ask - 
Is there anything obvious anyone can suggest to
get my SpamBayes installation back?
I *know* it works, and works well -- I've SEEN it.
;)

thanks

Matt Conway
my blog - http://www.bigredblob.com 


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Fri Oct 24 00:46:52 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Oct 24 00:47:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Product Review
In-Reply-To: <008d01c3999d$894324e0$200646a6@mydomain.com>
Message-ID: 

[Mike Eltzroth]
> My name is Mike Eltzroth, Vice President of eCatapult Corporation.  I
> am responding to an email that I received from a customer that is
> evaluating your product and also other products that are on our
> review site, www.spamfilterreview.com.   I am the coordinator for
> Product Reviews and Advertising on our review sites. I want to
> contact you and see if you might want your product reviewed for our
> next site update. ...

If you want to review it, that's fine by us, but we're not in a business
here so won't be paying for a review:  SpamBayes is open source software,
written and maintained by volunteers.  We don't derive any revenue from it;
anyone can download it (including the source code) without charge.  If you
link to it, you'll simply be doing your customers a favor; if you don't,
that's fine by us too:

    http://www.spambayes.org/


From tim_one at email.msn.com  Fri Oct 24 00:46:57 2003
From: tim_one at email.msn.com (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Oct 24 00:47:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a negative review...
In-Reply-To: <16280.13711.952225.648273@evoke.lucasdigital.com>
Message-ID: 

[Tommy Burnette]
> I've been a happy user of spambayes (redhat 7.2 & xemacs/vm) for a
> little whle now, but it seems my friend Matt Conway is not.  Check out
> the October 23 entry here, titled "Spambayes for Outlook: The vote is
> NO":
>
> http://www.bigredblob.com/
>
> I'm not subscribed to this list, but I thought I'd pass this on in
> case somebody wanted to find out just what went wrong (and possibly
> remove a source of negative publicity)...

Oh, Tommy, we wouldn't put out a contract on Matt just for this even if he
weren't your friend.  In essence, his complaint is that a massive and
massively under-documented Microsoft application displays baffling behavior.
If we killed everyone with the same complaint, we'd put the Redmond branch
of the American computer industry out of business.  Brrrrr.

FWIW, I use SpamBayes with 3 copies of Outlook on 3 different boxes, and
have since pre-alpha days, and never had a lick of trouble with any of them
(well, ignoring the old mysterious crashes and such, which Mark Hammond
eventually fixed via the time-honored way of dealing with MS APIs:  try 50
semi-documented approaches one at a time, until the problem that existed for
no apparent reason goes away for an equally unknowable reason -- until
someone with OL2K SR-2 tries it on Algerian Windows XP with technical
refresh 6, and then it starts all over again).

Tell Matt to upgrade to a real OS, and his problems will vanish (I recommend
Win98SE, respectfully known worldwide as the King of OSes).

the-answer-to-"i-have-a-problem-with-a-windows-app"-lies-in-the-question-ly
y'rs
    - tim


From richie at entrian.com  Fri Oct 24 04:14:01 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Fri Oct 24 04:14:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Pissed off
In-Reply-To: <00af01c399a4$2ccca040$200646a6@mydomain.com>
References: <00af01c399a4$2ccca040$200646a6@mydomain.com>
Message-ID: 


[Mike]
> No, I am not a spammer.  I would like to talk to you about this customer
> that likes your product.

I don't know who "pissedoff@anonymous.com" is but please understand that
he is not representative of the people on the SpamBayes mailing list!
(Posters of anonymous insults rarely are.)  We're a friendly bunch, and we
welcome publicity for SpamBayes.  Thanks for contacting us, but as Tim
said, SpamBayes is not a commercial product, and we don't have $500 to
spend on a review.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From neil at skinner70.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Oct 24 06:44:19 2003
From: neil at skinner70.fsnet.co.uk (Neil Skinner)
Date: Fri Oct 24 08:12:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error
Message-ID: <000001c39a1b$ca758600$0200a8c0@Rachel>

Hi - tried to install spambayes today.
Got error below.
 
I aborted
 
Help please.
 
Thanks
 
Neil
 
 

 
Neil Skinner
Business Development Manager - Strip and Foil Products
Datum Alloys
 
Tel             0114 2302472
Fax            0114 2302850
Mobile       07970 765298
mail            
nskinner@datumalloys.com
web             www.datumalloys.com
 
 
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From Mark.Howells at softoption.com  Fri Oct 24 08:18:23 2003
From: Mark.Howells at softoption.com (Mark Howells)
Date: Fri Oct 24 08:19:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error
Message-ID: <5846CF419D2EF5439036CC3126A3A995017AF6@SOSERVER1.softoption.local>

I also got this when I installed.  

All I did was to re-install and it went OK - YMMV

I notice that some else posted (around Oct 3rd) with a similar error.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Skinner [mailto:neil@skinner70.fsnet.co.uk]
> Sent: 24 October 2003 11:44
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] error
> 
> 
> Hi - tried to install spambayes today.
> Got error below.
>  
> I aborted
>  
> Help please.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Neil
>  
>  
> 
>  
> Neil Skinner
> Business Development Manager - Strip and Foil Products
> Datum Alloys
>  
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> Fax            0114 2302850
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From nskinner at datumalloys.com  Fri Oct 24 08:23:43 2003
From: nskinner at datumalloys.com (Neil Skinner)
Date: Fri Oct 24 08:24:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error
Message-ID: <000001c39a29$af461c10$0200a8c0@Rachel>

Hi,  I am trying to install the outlook addin version 0081 and keep
getting the following error message during installation.
 
C:\Program Files\Spambayes Outlook Addin\spambayes_dll
 
Unable to register the DLL/OCX: DllRegisterServer failed; code
0x00000000
 
I then get 3 options,  Abort retry and ignore.
 
None of these helps.
 
What am I doing wrong?
 
Thanks
 
Neil
 
Neil Skinner
Business Development Manager - Strip and Foil Products
Datum Alloys
 
Tel             0114 2302472
Fax            0114 2302850
Mobile       07970 765298
mail            
nskinner@datumalloys.com
web             www.datumalloys.com
 
 
From mumms at sprouting.com  Fri Oct 24 08:37:41 2003
From: mumms at sprouting.com (Mumm's)
Date: Fri Oct 24 08:37:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] delete from server bug?
Message-ID: 

I'm using spambayes 0.81 Outlook plugin with Outlook 2000, windows XP
and am having problems with outlook not deleting from server when I
delete from my "deleted items" folder (account is set to do this).
I see that there is a bug report on this.
I'm just wondering if anyone has come up with a fix or workaround.
Otherwise the filter is working really well, with no real messages
suspected as Spam, and about 90% Spam catching so far.

Jim



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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 08:57:15 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri Oct 24 08:57:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Adjusting Outlook numbers
Message-ID: 

I notice people saying they are getting 90% filtering.  I adjusted Certain
Spam to 20 and Possible Spam to 10 and I now get 99% of my Spam filtered,
with maybe 1% hitting the uncertain folder.  I haven't actually counted and
maintained statistics or anything but I simply don't get ANY Spam left in my
inbox any more.  I get well over 100 Spam / day and well over 100 Ham,
mostly developer list traffic and various newsletters and "company catalogs"
I subscribe to.

Spam goes and Ham stays.

This product is awesome.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com



From rross at vigsec.com  Fri Oct 24 09:53:27 2003
From: rross at vigsec.com (Ron Ross)
Date: Fri Oct 24 09:53:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble loading Outlook 2003
Message-ID: 

Hello,

 

I am having trouble loading SpamBayes in Outlook 2003.

 

All virus protection is off. All other startups are disabled, except the
bare necessities.

 

The program gets to a point in which it then errors out with the following
message: 

 

            C:\program files\SpamBayes\Outlook Addin\Spambayes_addin.dll

            Unable to register the DLL?OCX:RegisterServer
failed:code0X00000000

 

 

Any suggestions?

 

 

This is with the latest rev.

 

 

Ron ross

rross@vigilantesecurity.com  

 

From hfd80 at adelphia.net  Fri Oct 24 10:56:46 2003
From: hfd80 at adelphia.net (Scott)
Date: Fri Oct 24 10:56:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] remove spambayes
Message-ID: 

michelle Stationery
i tried spambayes and decided to remove it for now as i need to train it
better the next time, but when i removed it using win xp add remove programs
the spambayes toolbar was still in outlook.  i can right click and uncheck
the toolbar but it is still there as an option.  how can it be removed?
thanks in advance


























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From jcolby at colbyconsulting.com  Fri Oct 24 11:06:54 2003
From: jcolby at colbyconsulting.com (John Colby)
Date: Fri Oct 24 11:06:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] remove spambayes
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Just FYI, it will self train as you go.  It will get better and better as it
sees more messages, you click the delete as spam or recover as ham buttons
etc.

John W. Colby
www.colbyconsulting.com

-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+jcolby=colbyconsulting.com@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+jcolby=colbyconsulting.com@python.org]On
Behalf Of Scott
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:57 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] remove spambayes


michelle Stationery
i tried spambayes and decided to remove it for now as i need to train it
better the next time, but when i removed it using win xp add remove programs
the spambayes toolbar was still in outlook.  i can right click and uncheck
the toolbar but it is still there as an option.  how can it be removed?
thanks in advance





























From michael.francis at jda.com  Fri Oct 24 11:09:37 2003
From: michael.francis at jda.com (Lynn Francis)
Date: Fri Oct 24 11:09:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature suggestion
Message-ID: <8660949AC705D51194B400A0C9C854EECA593C@atl02.e3.com>

GREAT software!

Now with that said, I have one small suggestion.  One thing I catch myself
doing is hearing the "new mail" sound, tabbing over to Outlook just to find
it was spam and spambayes has already taken care of it.  What I would find
awesome is a way of spambayes playing a .wav to indicate
deleting/moving/whatever spam.  Maybe two different sounds for spam and
possible spam.  Then after hearing the Outlook new mail sound, I can wait a
few seconds and see if I hear the spambayes sound.  Sounds great to me.

Just a thought.

Later, 
Michael
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 11:21:22 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Oct 24 11:21:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug: Outlook 2003 + Spambayes + Preview Pane ==
	Outlook Crash
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F994372.4050804@hotmail.com>

Jon Dowell wrote:
> I'm using Windows XP SP1, Outlook 2003 (Final), SpamBayes Add-in 0.81
> (binary version). Log file attached is typical (all crashes produce the same
> log file, basically).
> 
> If the Inbox (which is the default folder Outlook start in) has the Reading
> Pane enabled, Outlook crashes just after the reading pane becomes visible.
> This takes just a split-second (I can see it, then it is gone).

Looks from your log like you also have your 'Possible Spam' folder set 
to Inbox.  Could you try creating a separate 'Possible Spam' folder and 
assigning it in SpamBayes Manager?  It would be interesting to know if 
it still crashes in this case.

I'm running Outlook 2003 myself, and I've had no problems with the 
reading pane in Inbox.  However, I'm running a newer development version 
of the plugin so not sure if something has changed recently that could 
be affecting this.

-- 
Kenny Pitt



From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 24 11:48:10 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Oct 24 11:48:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <8660949AC705D51194B400A0C9C854EECA593C@atl02.e3.com>
References: <8660949AC705D51194B400A0C9C854EECA593C@atl02.e3.com>
Message-ID: <16281.18874.25924.829752@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Michael> One thing I catch myself doing is hearing the "new mail" sound,
    Michael> tabbing over to Outlook just to find it was spam and spambayes
    Michael> has already taken care of it.

This isn't a problem for most of the developers, as we are always staring at
our computer screens already.  There's no need for us to have audible alarms
to draw our attention to our computers. ;-)

That said, this was suggested recently.  I believe there are some limits to
what the plugin can do in the way of changing Outlook's own behavior
(suppressing the message arrival sound or changing it on-the-fly).  Your
suggestion might be doable however (though not by me, I'm not a Windows
programmer).  You might have

    * a trashcan sound for spam
    * a ping or something positive (crowd cheer? yay?) for ham
    * a huh? sound if it couldn't decide

Skip

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 12:22:18 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Oct 24 12:22:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug: Outlook 2003 + Spambayes + Preview Pane ==
	Outlook Crash
In-Reply-To: <20031024160817.3f994e71271ffffff0d@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: 

Jon Dowell wrote:
>> Jon Dowell wrote:
>>> I'm using Windows XP SP1, Outlook 2003 (Final), SpamBayes Add-in
>>> 0.81 (binary version). Log file attached is typical (all crashes
>>> produce the same log file, basically). 
>>> 
>>> If the Inbox (which is the default folder Outlook start in) has the
>>> Reading Pane enabled, Outlook crashes just after the reading pane
>>> becomes visible. This takes just a split-second (I can see it, then
>>> it is gone). 
>> 
>> Looks from your log like you also have your 'Possible Spam' folder
>> set to Inbox.  Could you try creating a separate 'Possible Spam'
>> folder and assigning it in SpamBayes Manager?  It would be
>> interesting to know if it still crashes in this case.
>> 
>> I'm running Outlook 2003 myself, and I've had no problems with the
>> reading pane in Inbox.  However, I'm running a newer development
>> version of the plugin so not sure if something has changed recently
>> that could be affecting this.
> 
> Actually, my Possible Spam was set to go to a folder named Spam -
> unsure before. (I should probably have mentioned that I was
> previously using Outlook XP, and had upgraded to 2003). However, I
> went ahead and used the SpamBayes manager to set the folders for Spam
> and Possible Spam again (to the same directories) just to be sure.
> This seems to have fixed the error; Outlook now starts up with the
> Preview Pane fine. Either that, or it was some weird intermittent
> error that just happened to occur 5 times in a row yesterday.

Well, even though my initial guess was incorrect, I'm glad it led you to
try something that seems to have fixed the problem for you (at least for
now).  If I can find some extra time to fiddle with my settings, I'll
see if I can duplicate the problem and maybe we can come up with a
patch.  Please let us know if the problem crops again in the future.

> BTW, how did you infer that I had Possible set to Inbox? I do have two
> folders named Inbox being watched by SpamBayes (a local PST one, and a
> Hotmail one).

Sorry, saw Inbox twice in your log and wrongly jumped to the conclusion
that one of them should have been your Possible Spam folder.  Maybe in a
future version we can add some more info in the log about the location
of the folders so that we can better differentiate folders that have the
same name.

-- 
Kenny Pitt



From donnabrians at optonline.net  Fri Oct 24 13:28:26 2003
From: donnabrians at optonline.net (donnabrians@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Oct 24 13:28:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RUSH HELP PLEASE SIR
Message-ID: <0HN900819V7V6F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

  Hi,
  Sorry to put ya in a Rush , but I want\NEED to Download & Install 
my Spam Fileter app BEFORE the WEEKEND ! I have Win98SE & run 
MS Outlook 2000 ! YES , I ALSO RUN Outlook EXPRESS , but WANT 
my OULOOK 2000 First ! 

 I get this STRANGE Download , Either some Funny SQUARE Box , 
like a DOS thing , or Only an HTML thing , but NO PROGRAM ! I 
am Nervous about this PYTHON thing ! WHAT is it ? I do NOT understand 
CODE stuff , and do NOT want to MESS UP my Computer ! I just 
read in a MAGAZINE , that YOUR SPAMBAYES , is RECOMENDED AS WONDERFULL 
!!! WOW , Now , I want to get it . Please advise me WHAT to do 
to DOWNLOAD & INSTALL it on here . It APPEARS , that it is Something 
like that Program ---inboxer--- ! Is it ? 
Will I SEE it ADDED to my OUTLOOK 2000 ? THANK YOU KINDLY !!! 
Please have a GREAT day !!! ;-) 

   Best 2 Ya,
      Donna

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From rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org  Fri Oct 24 13:41:56 2003
From: rsk-spambayes at misinformation.org (Ray Spambayes)
Date: Fri Oct 24 13:42:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RUSH HELP PLEASE SIR
In-Reply-To: <0HN900819V7V6F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0HN900819V7V6F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <20031024174155.GB6662@sloth.lifescribes.com>

* donnabrians@optonline.net (donnabrians@optonline.net) [031024 10:28]:
>   Sorry to put ya in a Rush , but I want\NEED to Download & Install 
> my Spam Fileter app BEFORE the WEEKEND ! I have Win98SE & run 
...
> CODE stuff , and do NOT want to MESS UP my Computer ! I just 
> read in a MAGAZINE , that YOUR SPAMBAYES , is RECOMENDED AS WONDERFULL 
> !!! WOW , Now , I want to get it . Please advise me WHAT to do 
...

Note to spambayes dev team and senior users:  PREMATURE POPULARITY can be PAINFUL.

RSK

From matt.conway at slenderthread.com  Fri Oct 24 13:43:42 2003
From: matt.conway at slenderthread.com (Matt Conway)
Date: Fri Oct 24 13:44:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a negative review...
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <002801c39a56$603b4d70$0300a8c0@attbi.com>

Hey Tim, Hey Tommy, Hey everyone,

Tim writes:
>  Oh, Tommy, we wouldn't put out a contract on
Matt just for
>  this even if he weren't your friend. 

I love going into the weekend knowing
that nobody's putting a contract out on me. ;) 

Sorry about the negative review on BigRedBlob.com
- I 
was loving SpamBayes a lot right up until it just
died. 
I tried to be gentle in my comments. 

I also know the value of feedback in a beta
project. 
I'm not just posting stuff to whine and bitch.
That's not helpful. 
I posted a message to this mailing list and
I will write up a bug report to sourceforge today
or tomorrow. 
(I'm in the middle of a house move. Life is nuts.)
  
I understand the eye-rolling derision that comes
from trying to develop
Outlook hosted apps. I've developed some myself
and am amazed that *anyone* manages to 
get Outlook applications running outside a tiny
range of example apps. 

That said, stabilizing the Outlook add-in is going
to be pretty
important if you guys want to have maximum impact
(which may or 
may not be a goal of yours, I understand.) It
looks from the traffic here
that there's a fair bit of work to be done here.
It's a shame that the tool
is so popular and so weak at the same time. 

I feel your pain.  Don't worry, I'll be back and
I'll raise the roof
on BigRedBlob once I can get it up and running
again.

cheers, 
Matt Conway
my blog - http://www.bigredblob.com 


>  
>  [Tommy Burnette]
>  > I've been a happy user of spambayes (redhat
7.2 & xemacs/vm) for a
>  > little whle now, but it seems my friend Matt
Conway is 
>  not.  Check out 
>  > the October 23 entry here, titled "Spambayes
for Outlook: 
>  The vote is
>  > NO":
>  >
>  > http://www.bigredblob.com/
>  >
>  > I'm not subscribed to this list, but I
thought I'd pass this on in 
>  > case somebody wanted to find out just what
went wrong (and 
>  possibly 
>  > remove a source of negative publicity)...
>  
>  Oh, Tommy, we wouldn't put out a contract on
Matt just for
>  this even if he weren't your friend.  In
essence, his 
>  complaint is that a massive and massively
under-documented 
>  Microsoft application displays baffling
behavior. If we 
>  killed everyone with the same complaint, we'd
put the 
>  Redmond branch of the American computer
industry out of 
>  business.  Brrrrr.
>  
>  FWIW, I use SpamBayes with 3 copies of Outlook
on 3
>  different boxes, and have since pre-alpha days,
and never 
>  had a lick of trouble with any of them (well,
ignoring the 
>  old mysterious crashes and such, which Mark
Hammond 
>  eventually fixed via the time-honored way of
dealing with MS 
>  APIs:  try 50 semi-documented approaches one at
a time, 
>  until the problem that existed for no apparent
reason goes 
>  away for an equally unknowable reason -- until
someone with 
>  OL2K SR-2 tries it on Algerian Windows XP with
technical 
>  refresh 6, and then it starts all over again).
>  
>  Tell Matt to upgrade to a real OS, and his
problems will
>  vanish (I recommend Win98SE, respectfully known
worldwide as 
>  the King of OSes).
>  
>
the-answer-to-"i-have-a-problem-with-a-windows-app
"-lies-in-t
>  he-question-ly
>  y'rs
>      - tim
>  
>  
>  _______________________________________________
>  Spambayes@python.org
>  http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spamb>
ayes
>  Check the 
>  FAQ before asking:
http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
>  


From dave at dnh.sk.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:10:23 2003
From: dave at dnh.sk.ca (Dave Hall)
Date: Fri Oct 24 14:14:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RUSH HELP PLEASE SIR
In-Reply-To: <0HN900819V7V6F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <0HN900819V7V6F@mta7.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <20031024181023.GA25266@dnh.sk.ca>

On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 01:28:26PM -0400, donnabrians@optonline.net wrote:
>   Hi,
>   Sorry to put ya in a Rush , but I want\NEED to Download & Install 
> my Spam Fileter app BEFORE the WEEKEND ! I have Win98SE & run 
> MS Outlook 2000 ! YES , I ALSO RUN Outlook EXPRESS , but WANT 
> my OULOOK 2000 First ! 

Spambayes is still early in it's development and works very well although
the Outlook plugin encounters a few bugs.  I would suggest reading the 
project documentation at http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/docs.html.  
After reading the instructions, you can then decide if you want to use it.

One importatnt aspect of spambayes it it needs to learn what mail you 
consider spam and non-spam.  This means it likely won't be catching all
your spam right after installation.  If you need something to catch most
of your spam immediately than I would suggest looking at something 
different for now and looking at spambayes when you have more time.

> 
>  I get this STRANGE Download , Either some Funny SQUARE Box , 
> like a DOS thing , or Only an HTML thing , but NO PROGRAM ! I 
> am Nervous about this PYTHON thing ! WHAT is it ? I do NOT understand 
> CODE stuff , and do NOT want to MESS UP my Computer ! I just 

Python is a programming/scripting tool, a particularly easy one to learn
and use for software developers.  To run a Python "program" which spambayes 
is, you must have python installed.   You don't really need to know all the
details of python unless you are writing your own software.  Just install
it and all should be well.  If you are curious, you can learn more about
python at http://www.python.org.  Installing Python won't break anything 
that isn't already broken.

-- 

Dave

===============================================================
| <- You must be smarter than this stick to ride
     the Internet		-Mike Handler
===============================================================

From benjamin.burko at videotron.ca  Fri Oct 24 14:41:31 2003
From: benjamin.burko at videotron.ca (Dr. Benjamin Burko)
Date: Fri Oct 24 14:42:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder has disappeared
Message-ID: <00d001c39a5e$714f1f80$0200a8c0@drburko>

I installed SpamBayes about 7 days ago. It is working wonderfully, except,
today, my suspected Junk Email Folder has disappeared from my Outlook XP
folder view. The Junk Email folder remains. In the Suspected folder were
many valuable emails that I had not yet gotten to
How do I recover this?
 
Dr. Benjamin Burko
Assistant Professor, Department of Pediatrics, McGill University
Pediatrician, Montreal Children's Hospital 
McGill University Health Centre
 
Medical Director, Tiny Tots Medical Centre
 
Tel.514-685-3531 x287
Fax 514-685-7971

Book your next appointment on line at  
www.tinytots.ca

 

 
From skip at pobox.com  Fri Oct 24 14:58:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Fri Oct 24 15:10:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] a negative review...
In-Reply-To: <002801c39a56$603b4d70$0300a8c0@attbi.com>
References: 
	<002801c39a56$603b4d70$0300a8c0@attbi.com>
Message-ID: <16281.30277.637310.366315@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Matt> That said, stabilizing the Outlook add-in is going to be pretty
    Matt> important if you guys want to have maximum impact (which may or
    Matt> may not be a goal of yours, I understand.) It looks from the
    Matt> traffic here that there's a fair bit of work to be done here.
    Matt> It's a shame that the tool is so popular and so weak at the same
    Matt> time.

For folks who like the warm and fuzzy feeling of paying for their software
there's the SpamAtBay/InBoxer commercialization of SpamBayes:
.  I think they have a free trial you can download.
Might be worth a look.

Disclaimer: I have no interest in InBoxer (financial or otherwise).  I don't
even use Outlook to read mail (though I fumbled around a bit with it during
the InBoxer beta period).

Skip

From rmalayter at bai.org  Fri Oct 24 15:10:53 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Fri Oct 24 15:11:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder has disappeared
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A011153E7@cliff.bai.org>

I assume you're using the Outlook plugin.

You probably dragged your possible spam folder into another folder by
accident. This is far too easy to do in Outlook in my opinion; users at
my company do it all the time.

To find the folder, go to the View menu, and choose "folder list". Click
on the plus signs to expand all of your folders until you find it.

If you cannot find the folder it anywhere, the it was accidentally
deleted. It is very, very unlikely that spambayes deleted it as the
result of a bug. I've never seen that happen, or even heard of it
happening.

If it is truly gone, you'll have to recover from your backups. You do
make backups, right? If not, you need to start. If your organization
uses Exchange server as its mail server, you might also be able to use
Outlook's deleted item recovery to get everything back without restoring
from backup media.

One other thing to check: it is possible to accidentally rename folders
in some versions of Outlook. Look for strange folder names in your
search as well (if you renamed it accidentally, it probably has a single
character as the folder name).

Regards,
	Ryan



-----Original Message-----
From: spambayes-bounces+rmalayter=bai.org@python.org
[mailto:spambayes-bounces+rmalayter=bai.org@python.org] On Behalf Of Dr.
Benjamin Burko
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 1:42 PM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder has disappeared


I installed SpamBayes about 7 days ago. It is working wonderfully,
except,
today, my suspected Junk Email Folder has disappeared from my Outlook XP
folder view. The Junk Email folder remains. In the Suspected folder were
many valuable emails that I had not yet gotten to
How do I recover this?
 
Dr. Benjamin Burko

From dowelljonathan at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 12:08:17 2003
From: dowelljonathan at hotmail.com (Jon Dowell)
Date: Fri Oct 24 17:28:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug: Outlook 2003 + Spambayes + Preview Pane ==
	Outlook Crash
In-Reply-To: <20031024152143.3f994387387ab@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: 

> Jon Dowell wrote:
> > I'm using Windows XP SP1, Outlook 2003 (Final), SpamBayes Add-in 0.81
> > (binary version). Log file attached is typical (all crashes produce the
> same
> > log file, basically).
> >
> > If the Inbox (which is the default folder Outlook start in) has the
> Reading
> > Pane enabled, Outlook crashes just after the reading pane becomes
> visible.
> > This takes just a split-second (I can see it, then it is gone).
>
> Looks from your log like you also have your 'Possible Spam' folder set
> to Inbox.  Could you try creating a separate 'Possible Spam' folder and
> assigning it in SpamBayes Manager?  It would be interesting to know if
> it still crashes in this case.
>
> I'm running Outlook 2003 myself, and I've had no problems with the
> reading pane in Inbox.  However, I'm running a newer development version
> of the plugin so not sure if something has changed recently that could
> be affecting this.

Actually, my Possible Spam was set to go to a folder named Spam - unsure
before. (I should probably have mentioned that I was previously using
Outlook XP, and had upgraded to 2003). However, I went ahead and used the
SpamBayes manager to set the folders for Spam and Possible Spam again (to
the same directories) just to be sure. This seems to have fixed the error;
Outlook now starts up with the Preview Pane fine. Either that, or it was
some weird intermittent error that just happened to occur 5 times in a row
yesterday.

BTW, how did you infer that I had Possible set to Inbox? I do have two
folders named Inbox being watched by SpamBayes (a local PST one, and a
Hotmail one).

Thanks,
-Jon Dowell

> --
> Kenny Pitt
>



From dowelljonathan at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 24 12:36:19 2003
From: dowelljonathan at hotmail.com (Jon Dowell)
Date: Fri Oct 24 17:29:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Bug: Outlook 2003 + Spambayes + Preview Pane ==
	Outlook Crash
In-Reply-To: <20031024162242.3f9951d21d22c@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: 

> Jon Dowell wrote:
> Well, even though my initial guess was incorrect, I'm glad it led you to
> try something that seems to have fixed the problem for you (at least for
> now).  If I can find some extra time to fiddle with my settings, I'll
> see if I can duplicate the problem and maybe we can come up with a
> patch.  Please let us know if the problem crops again in the future.

I'll definitely post more info if it happens again. As insanely great as
SpamBayes is, it's well worth the time to help root out bugs.

> > BTW, how did you infer that I had Possible set to Inbox? I do have two
> > folders named Inbox being watched by SpamBayes (a local PST one, and a
> > Hotmail one).
>
> Sorry, saw Inbox twice in your log and wrongly jumped to the conclusion
> that one of them should have been your Possible Spam folder.  Maybe in a
> future version we can add some more info in the log about the location
> of the folders so that we can better differentiate folders that have the
> same name.

That's kind of what I thought. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

Thanks for the help!
-Jon Dowell


From cmessina at umich.edu  Fri Oct 24 17:57:15 2003
From: cmessina at umich.edu (Christopher Messina)
Date: Fri Oct 24 17:57:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py Is there an option to leave mail
	marked as new?
Message-ID: 

As the subject says, I'd like the imap filter to mark messages it decides
isn't spam as New.  Right now, when I read my mail, I don't know what messages
are new, since the imap filter reads the messages in order to classify them.

If sb_imapfilter.py doesn't support this, where should I sent this feature
request?

--
Chris


From johsan at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 24 19:51:41 2003
From: johsan at earthlink.net (John Camero)
Date: Fri Oct 24 19:47:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which one
Message-ID: <000801c39a89$c684e0e0$ed06f4d8@earthlink.net>

I'm having difficulty! What program do I download for Windows 98? Please send me directly to the download, Thanks,
John F Camero
From rclilly at cox.net  Fri Oct 24 22:51:35 2003
From: rclilly at cox.net (Robert Lilly)
Date: Fri Oct 24 22:51:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature suggestion
In-Reply-To: <16281.18874.25924.829752@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 

>
> This isn't a problem for most of the developers, as we are always
> staring at
> our computer screens already.  There's no need for us to have
> audible alarms
> to draw our attention to our computers. ;-)
>
> That said, this was suggested recently.  I believe there are some
> limits to
> what the plugin can do in the way of changing Outlook's own behavior

Wouldn't it be possible to create a sound feature in SpamBayes that works
even with the proxy service, and turn off the sound notification in the
email clients themselves so the only SpamBayes is providing alerts?

I'm not a programmer, but it seems to me that trying to manipulate the
myriad email clients, especially Outlook, is bound to turn one's hair gray
prematurely. Just turn off the clients notifications and let SpamBayes
handle it all.

Just a thought.

Robert Lilly
www.rclilly.com


From benjamin.burko at videotron.ca  Sat Oct 25 05:16:32 2003
From: benjamin.burko at videotron.ca (Dr. Benjamin Burko)
Date: Sat Oct 25 05:17:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Revised-My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder has
 disappeared..post investigation
Message-ID: <010901c39ad8$ae82d890$0200a8c0@drburko>

I installed SpamBayes about 7 days ago. It is working wonderfully, except,
today, my suspected Junk Email Folder has disappeared from my Outlook XP
folder view. The Junk Email folder remains. In the Suspected folder were
many valuable emails that I had not yet gotten to
How do I recover this?
 
Upon further investigation, the Spambayes setup now has suspected junk email
being sent to folder "".
I never reset this nor did I ever delete my "Suspected Junk email folder".
WHERE IS IT?
I must recover these emails.
 
Dr. Benjamin Burko
Assistant Professor, Department of Pediatrics, McGill University
Pediatrician, Montreal Children's Hospital 
McGill University Health Centre
 
Medical Director, Tiny Tots Medical Centre
 
Tel.514-685-3531 x287
Fax 514-685-7971

Book your next appointment on line at  
www.tinytots.ca

 

 
From michael at virtualpianist.com  Sat Oct 25 12:01:46 2003
From: michael at virtualpianist.com (Michael Toth)
Date: Sat Oct 25 12:01:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes crashing on save
Message-ID: <000801c39b11$4b56e0c0$6401a8c0@office>

Python is returning a stack trace whenever I save with the following messages:

500 Server error
Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "D:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "D:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 477, in onSave
    self._doSave()

  File "D:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 470, in _doSave
    classifier.store()

  File "D:\Python23\Lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 214, in store
    self.db[key] = val.__getstate__()

  File "D:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()

  File "D:\Python23\lib\bsddb\__init__.py", line 120, in __setitem__
    self.db[key] = value

DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')


I am running spambayes 1.0a6  and this problem seems to have started without any 
noticable changes to the system on my part.  

Any help out there? 

Thanks,
Michael Toth (michael@virtualpianist.com)

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 12:04:39 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 12:04:48 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Which one
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B4412@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Camero [mailto:johsan@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:52 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Which one
> 
> 
> I'm having difficulty! What program do I download for Windows 
> 98? Please send me directly to the download, Thanks,
> John F Camero

Hi, with that information, we can't send you to the download directly.
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/windows.html gives you the choices for
windows.
If you are running pure Outlook (not Outlook Express), you can use 
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-008
1.exe?download

If you are running Outlook Express or any other mail client that queries
mails by Imap or Pop, you have got to get the Pop or Imap -Applications
as described in the "Non Outlook Solutions" part of the former link.

regards, Manuel

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 12:17:01 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 12:17:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RUSH HELP PLEASE SIR
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633390@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: donnabrians@optonline.net [mailto:donnabrians@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:28 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] RUSH HELP PLEASE SIR
> 
> 
>   Hi,
>   Sorry to put ya in a Rush , but I want\NEED to Download & Install 
> my Spam Fileter app BEFORE the WEEKEND !

I dunno which timezone you come from (it was already in my weekend when
you sent it...), so I'll still answer, in hope to help you.

> I have Win98SE & run 
> MS Outlook 2000 ! YES , I ALSO RUN Outlook EXPRESS , but WANT 
> my OULOOK 2000 First ! 

Use the Spambayes Outlook-Addin for you pure Outlook:
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/spambayes/SpamBayes-Outlook-Setup-008
1.exe?download

For Outlook Express you'll need to install the Pop/Imap Filter/Proxies.

> I am Nervous about this PYTHON thing !

Yeah, we all see that.

> It APPEARS , that it is Something 
> like that Program ---inboxer--- ! Is it ? 

I dunno your mentioned program.

> Will I SEE it ADDED to my OUTLOOK 2000 ?

Yes. A Wizard should come up the first time you run Outlook. If you
encounter any problems during this, don't forget to have a look at the
FAQ and the troubleshooting guide.

Later, you'll see it added to your outlook thanks to the additional
toolbar and the spam beeing filtered.

regards, Manuel

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 12:32:19 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 12:32:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Revised-My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder has
	disappeared..post investigation
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633391@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Benjamin Burko [mailto:benjamin.burko@videotron.ca] 
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 11:17 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Revised-My (SUSPECTED) Junk email folder 
> has disappeared..post investigation
> 
> 
> I installed SpamBayes about 7 days ago. It is working 
> wonderfully, except,
> today, my suspected Junk Email Folder has disappeared from my 
> Outlook XP
> folder view. The Junk Email folder remains. In the Suspected 
> folder were
> many valuable emails that I had not yet gotten to
> How do I recover this?

Altough this is not a Outlook-Hotline...
First, you should have a look at the other folders round around the
place the "suspected" folder used to be. in outlok it happens crucially
fast to move a folder into another. (Especially if you've got a laptop
with these annoying touchpads. It happened several time to me, something
was stuck to my finger before I switched off this "feature")

Then you should have a look at the "Deleted Items"-Folder. Is there a
small positive sign befor it ? This would mean, there is a whole folder
that had been deleted.
If clicking and expanding, you notice this is you folder, just drag it
back on the "Inbox"-Folder so it get's back where it was.

Now you just have to reconfigure (or repair the configuration of)
spambayes:

>  
> Upon further investigation, the Spambayes setup now has 
> suspected junk email
> being sent to folder "".

Sure, the folder formely selected is not avaiable anymore...
There where you saw it, you should be able to open a dialog to select it
again.


good luck, Manuel

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 13:03:19 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 13:03:23 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Feature suggestion
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633392@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>


this is actually the most requested feature.

Most astounding I think is everybody thinks he has to wait for a second
sound...

It is already covered by "[ 774978 ] Hide envelope icon when only spam
received"
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=774978&group_id
=61702&atid=498106

Admittedly, the new mail icon-issue is far harder to fix than to add the
newmail/ham/spam - sound.
So maybe, some developer may extract this and implement this nifty
feature .

have a nice weekend, Manuel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynn Francis [mailto:michael.francis@jda.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 5:10 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Feature suggestion
> 
> 
> GREAT software!
> 
> Now with that said, I have one small suggestion.  One thing I 
> catch myself
> doing is hearing the "new mail" sound, tabbing over to 
> Outlook just to find
> it was spam and spambayes has already taken care of it.  What 
> I would find
> awesome is a way of spambayes playing a .wav to indicate
> deleting/moving/whatever spam.  Maybe two different sounds 
> for spam and
> possible spam.  Then after hearing the Outlook new mail 
> sound, I can wait a
> few seconds and see if I hear the spambayes sound.  Sounds 
> great to me.
> 
> Just a thought.
> 
> Later, 
> Michael
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 13:10:44 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 13:10:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B4416@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil Skinner [mailto:neil@skinner70.fsnet.co.uk] 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 12:44 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] error
> 
> 
> Hi - tried to install spambayes today.
> Got error below.
>  


an exsiting BugReport [807618] says exactly the same symptom and it
seems to me some users found a workaround within the discussion:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=807618&grou
p_id=61702


good luck, Manuel

From laurent.reit at videotron.ca  Sat Oct 25 18:44:52 2003
From: laurent.reit at videotron.ca (Laurent Reit)
Date: Sat Oct 25 18:46:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification=spam not inserted using
	Outlook
Message-ID: <001101c39b49$9ae3bcc0$1d02a8c0@350z>

Hi,

I'm using the .81 Outlook plugin and the X-Spambayes-Classification=spam
header is not inserted in the message as it is moved to my spam folder.
I would like to do this because I am using Zoe to classify and store my
email.
The server I connect to is an IMAP folder.

Is there an option I can set for this to work ?

Laurent



From laurent.reit at videotron.ca  Sat Oct 25 20:23:12 2003
From: laurent.reit at videotron.ca (Laurent Reit)
Date: Sat Oct 25 20:23:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification=spam not inserted using
	Outlook
Message-ID: <001601c39b57$573fe0d0$1d02a8c0@350z>

Hi,

I'm using the .81 Outlook plugin and the X-Spambayes-Classification=spam
header is not inserted in the message as it is moved to my spam folder.
I would like to do this because I am using Zoe to classify and store my
email. The server I connect to is an IMAP folder.

Is there an option I can set for this to work ?

Laurent




From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Sat Oct 25 23:48:21 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Sat Oct 25 23:48:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble loading Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B4419@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Ross [mailto:rross@vigsec.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:53 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Trouble loading Outlook 2003
> 
> Hello,
> I am having trouble loading SpamBayes in Outlook 2003.
> All virus protection is off. All other startups are disabled, 
> except the bare necessities.
> The program gets to a point in which it then errors out with 
> the following message: 
>             C:\program files\SpamBayes\Outlook 
> Addin\Spambayes_addin.dll
           Unable to register the DLL?OCX:RegisterServer
> failed:code0X00000000
> Any suggestions?

an exising BugReport [807618] says exactly the same symptom and it
seems to me some users found a workaround within the discussion:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=807618&grou
p_id=61702


good luck, Manuel

From susan at skramer.net  Sun Oct 26 13:03:41 2003
From: susan at skramer.net (Susan Kramer)
Date: Sun Oct 26 13:03:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!
Message-ID: <000801c39beb$7e793b80$dece9f42@dslextreme.com>

Hi there ... I am not technical, but use my computer quite a lot for my writing and accounting. I heard about SpamBayes on a talk show about computers and it sounds wonderful because I get hundreds of "porn" and "lose weight" and "prescription drug" spams per day and it's driving me nuts. I'm not technical enough to know how to download SpamBayes. I've spent a lot of time on your site, but it's Greek to me. Is there anyone I can contact in the Los Angeles, Hollywood, Burbank/Pasadena areas who could help me? Of course, I would pay for consultation.

Thank you,
Susan
susan@skramer.net


From susan at skramer.net  Sun Oct 26 15:32:20 2003
From: susan at skramer.net (Susan Kramer)
Date: Sun Oct 26 15:32:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!  #2
Message-ID: <000d01c39c00$42196740$9ce89f42@dslextreme.com>

Hi .. I e-mailed you before. I finally figured out how to download SpamBayes for Outlook Express, but it does not come up when i open Outlook Express. I saved it to the default file that came up after downloading and I don't know what to do.  Please, please, please   help, help, help.

Thank you,
Susan
susan@skramer.net


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Sun Oct 26 16:08:00 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (Remi Ricard)
Date: Sun Oct 26 16:07:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!  #2
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39c00$42196740$9ce89f42@dslextreme.com>
References: <000d01c39c00$42196740$9ce89f42@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: <1067202477.18896.2.camel@porsche.hq.simlog.com>

Hi,

> I finally figured out how to download SpamBayes for Outlook Express,
but it does not come up when i open Outlook Express.

Spambayes is not integrated in Outlook Express as in Outlook
See FAQ for more info:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#does-spambayes-work-with-outlook-express



Remi


From jens.rantil at telia.com  Mon Oct 27 02:39:42 2003
From: jens.rantil at telia.com (Jens Rantil)
Date: Mon Oct 27 01:41:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web based training
Message-ID: <20031027083942.4ef37389.jens.rantil@telia.com>

Hi list,
What is "defer" in the web based training manager? What does it
stand for?

Regards,

Jens

From spambayes at whateley.com  Mon Oct 27 01:53:06 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Mon Oct 27 01:53:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Web based training
In-Reply-To: <20031027083942.4ef37389.jens.rantil@telia.com>
References: <20031027083942.4ef37389.jens.rantil@telia.com>
Message-ID: <200310262253.06544.spambayes@whateley.com>

"Defer" means that the message will be left in the review list so that you can 
decided to train on the message at a later time.  In other words, "Don't 
train on this one now"

Brendon.

On Sunday 26 October 2003 11:39 pm, Jens Rantil wrote:
> Hi list,
> What is "defer" in the web based training manager? What does it
> stand for?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jens
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Oct 27 02:50:51 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Oct 27 02:50:52 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help!  #2
In-Reply-To: <000d01c39c00$42196740$9ce89f42@dslextreme.com>
References: <000d01c39c00$42196740$9ce89f42@dslextreme.com>
Message-ID: 

Hi Susan,

> I finally figured out how to download SpamBayes for Outlook Express,
> but it does not come up when i open Outlook Express. I saved it to
> the default file that came up after downloading and I don't know what
> to do.  Please, please, please   help, help, help.

You need to follow the instructions in the README:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/README.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From edmilne at twcny.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 06:03:16 2003
From: edmilne at twcny.rr.com (Ed Milne)
Date: Mon Oct 27 06:03:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] XP Pro memory leak
Message-ID: <000001c39c79$ecc07e80$585f3a18@nonefwqul3wgpw>

I like the filter, and it installed and runs as it should.  I have noticed
that an instance of Outlook remains open in my Task Manager now, one for
each time I open Outlook.

I am running Office XP on Win XP Pro, both fully updated.  This did not
occur before installing SpamBayes.
From kfanta at xpinternet.net  Mon Oct 27 07:54:08 2003
From: kfanta at xpinternet.net (Ken Fanta)
Date: Mon Oct 27 07:54:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
Message-ID: <002401c39c89$696d01b0$6400a8c0@ken>

Does this work in outlook 2003 which was just released last week?

Ken
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From milt at necam.com  Mon Oct 27 08:08:36 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Mon Oct 27 08:08:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003
Message-ID: 

Works great ... we are using it on the released product of Office 2003 and
had been using it on the beta version 6 months prior to that ...

Milt

> _____________________________________________ 
> From: 	Ken Fanta [mailto:kfanta@xpinternet.net
>  ] 
> Sent:	Monday, October 27, 2003 6:54 AM
> To:	spambayes@python.org
> Subject:	[Spambayes] Outlook 2003
> 
> Does this work in outlook 2003 which was just released last week?
> 
> Ken << File: ATT00058.txt >> 
From dforeman at stny.rr.com  Mon Oct 27 08:24:09 2003
From: dforeman at stny.rr.com (Dennis Foreman)
Date: Mon Oct 27 08:24:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disabling
Message-ID: <000001c39c8d$9ac920a0$0200a8c0@FOREMAN>

Can Spambayes be set to ONLY run when I download messages (ie, when I click
on "send/receive") instead of always running? It is annoying to wait for the
filtering process when I am only using Outlook for outbound data (which I do
a lot by clicking on "mailto" tags). 

regards,
D. J. Foreman, Ph. D.
website: http://DForeman.CS.Binghamton.EDU/~foreman 



From rhall at pobox.com  Mon Oct 27 09:39:36 2003
From: rhall at pobox.com (Rodd Hall)
Date: Mon Oct 27 09:39:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Error on Exiting
Message-ID: <000001c39c98$25937a50$7af3fea9@RoddLaptop>

Since I installed Spambayes I've been experiencing the following error.
Every time I exit Outlook I get the Windows system message that "MS Outlook
has encountered a problem and needs to close". Then I get the window
offering to send the error information to Microsoft. The Error Signature
information is as follows: AppName: outlook.exe, ModName: dccmsp32.dll,
ModVer: 10.0.2000.929, AppVer: 10.0.4510.0, Offset: 00005346.

I have the Spambayes Add in Version .81. I'm running MS Windows XP Home
Version. MS Outlook Version 2002 (10.4712.4219) SP-2

Sorry if this is a known problem. I looked at the list and didn't find
anything that looked like it.

From pederson at empnet.com  Mon Oct 27 13:00:01 2003
From: pederson at empnet.com (Dan Pederson)
Date: Mon Oct 27 12:57:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error installing
Message-ID: <20031027175815.5BD6E6FB6@empnet.com>

I am trying to install ver 08.1 on my development system which is running
Windows 2003 Server and Outlook 2003 (I dial-up to an ISP for mail service).
When installing I get the following error message.

 

C:\program files\spambayes outlook addin\spambayes_addin.dll

Unable to register the dll/ocx: dllregisterserver failed; code 0x00000000

 

At this point it recommends aborting the install, which I do.

 

Any suggestions or will it not work in my environment.

 

Thanks,

Dan Pederson

From milt at necam.com  Mon Oct 27 13:36:15 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Mon Oct 27 13:38:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is this possible?
Message-ID: 

Outlook human client that has rights to several other mailboxes, usually
robot accounts, like HelpDesk, etc. If the human account installs SpamBayes
on their machine for their mailbox, can SpamBayes be configured to also
administer the robot mailboxes?

From calin at ajvar.org  Mon Oct 27 15:03:47 2003
From: calin at ajvar.org (Calin A. Culianu)
Date: Mon Oct 27 15:04:02 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Procmail problem
Message-ID: 


Hi all,

I am new to the mailing list.  I love spambayes, and think it is a great
project.

However, I have a problem.  I recently upgradrd from 1.0a2 to 1.0a6.  I
noticed that the scripts have been renamed a bit, probably to make
installation and adminning easier.

At any rate, I am having problems with this new version of spambayes in
conjunction with procmail.  It should be noted that everything worked
perfectly fine before with 1.0a2..

Basically, these are the two relevant procmail recipes:

# test for spam
:0 fw
| /usr/bin/sb_filter.py

# is it spam? if so save to spam mbox 'folder'
:0
* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
spam


The problem is the following: even though spam gets detected correctly by
the sb_filter.py script (the X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 gets
inserted into the message header), procmail apparently _never_ makes it to
the next recipe, the one that sticks messages containing
X-Spambayes-Classification: spam to my spam folder.  I know the regex is
ok because I ran this regex with egrep on my inbox and it picked out the
messages with the spam classification header...

I suspect the problem may have something to do with exit statuses.  The
procmailrc manpage is vague, but it appears that the w flag for the
sb_filter.py recipe tells procmail to "wait for the filter program, and
look at its exit status".  I suspect that somehow the exit status returned
by sb_filter.py causes procmail to stop processing recipes and it never
makes it to the last recipe.

I grok'd the source to sb_filter.py but I am not a python programmer.  I
did however notice a conspicuous lack of return values from either main()
or from the script itself.  I presume python is like perl in that it
always returns the status of the last command in the script, but that may
or may not be a reliable thing..

Anyway.. any ideas about my problem?  Why would the old hammiefilter.py
script work fine in my .procmailrc but this new sb_filter.py script not
work?  (Again, I must stress that it DOES add the header, but somehow
procmail never makes it to the next recipe).

I am at my wit's end.. any help would be appreciated..

-Calin



From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Mon Oct 27 15:14:05 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Mon Oct 27 15:27:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Procmail problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F9D7C8D.9060209@videotron.ca>

Hi Calin,

The problem might be that you need to defined the PYTHONPATH environment 
variable.

You can add this at the beginning of the .procmailrc to have more debug info

 LOGABSTRACT=yes
 VERBOSE=yes
 LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log

># test for spam
>:0 fw
>| /usr/bin/sb_filter.py
>
># is it spam? if so save to spam mbox 'folder'
>:0
>* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
>spam
>
>
>The problem is the following: even though spam gets detected correctly by
>the sb_filter.py script (the X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 gets
>inserted into the message header), procmail apparently _never_ makes it to
>the next recipe, the one that sticks messages containing
>X-Spambayes-Classification: spam to my spam folder.  I know the regex is
>ok because I ran this regex with egrep on my inbox and it picked out the
>messages with the spam classification header...
>
>I suspect the problem may have something to do with exit statuses.  
>
The exit status did not change. I'm using a .procmailrc similar to yours 
and it is working.

Send the log file on the list after you have reveived some mails if you 
don't find the problem.

Remi



From calin at ajvar.org  Mon Oct 27 15:34:35 2003
From: calin at ajvar.org (Calin A. Culianu)
Date: Mon Oct 27 15:34:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Procmail problem
In-Reply-To: <3F9D7C8D.9060209@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: 


NO.  That is _not_ the problem.  The python script RUNS FINE.  I know this
because X-Spambayes-Classification DOES GET INSERTED into my headers.. but
the next recipe COMPLETELY MISSES THIS.

After reading about the other assorted show-stopping-bugs in 1.0a6, I have
given up on this version.  It is most decidedly a lemon.  The fact that it
doesn't add X-Spambayes-Trained: headers is a MAJOR BUG.  So I reverted
back to 1.0a2.

-Calin

On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, papaDoc
wrote:

> Hi Calin,
>
> The problem might be that you need to defined the PYTHONPATH environment
> variable.
>
> You can add this at the beginning of the .procmailrc to have more debug info
>
>  LOGABSTRACT=yes
>  VERBOSE=yes
>  LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log
>
> ># test for spam
> >:0 fw
> >| /usr/bin/sb_filter.py
> >
> ># is it spam? if so save to spam mbox 'folder'
> >:0
> >* ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
> >spam
> >
> >
> >The problem is the following: even though spam gets detected correctly by
> >the sb_filter.py script (the X-Spambayes-Classification: spam; 1.00 gets
> >inserted into the message header), procmail apparently _never_ makes it to
> >the next recipe, the one that sticks messages containing
> >X-Spambayes-Classification: spam to my spam folder.  I know the regex is
> >ok because I ran this regex with egrep on my inbox and it picked out the
> >messages with the spam classification header...
> >
> >I suspect the problem may have something to do with exit statuses.
> >
> The exit status did not change. I'm using a .procmailrc similar to yours
> and it is working.
>
> Send the log file on the list after you have reveived some mails if you
> don't find the problem.
>
> Remi
>
>


From skip at pobox.com  Mon Oct 27 15:34:43 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Mon Oct 27 15:35:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Procmail problem
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16285.33123.566976.96323@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Calin> At any rate, I am having problems with this new version of
    Calin> spambayes in conjunction with procmail.  It should be noted that
    Calin> everything worked perfectly fine before with 1.0a2..

    Calin> Basically, these are the two relevant procmail recipes:

    Calin> # test for spam
    Calin> :0 fw
    Calin> | /usr/bin/sb_filter.py

    Calin> # is it spam? if so save to spam mbox 'folder'
    Calin> :0
    Calin> * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
    Calin> spam

I don't see anything obviously wrong, however here are two suggestions:

* You probably need to specify the lock file to use for the test,
  because procmail won't be able to deduce one.  My sb_filter rule looks
  like this:

    :0 fw:ham.lock
    | /Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py

* Set these at the top of your .procmailrc file:

    LOGABSTRACT=yes
    VERBOSE=yes
    LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log

  then look in .procmail.log for procmail error messages or Python
  tracebacks.  (You may already have something to look at.  I don't know
  what procmail's default logfile name is.)

Skip

From calin at ajvar.org  Mon Oct 27 15:48:08 2003
From: calin at ajvar.org (Calin A. Culianu)
Date: Mon Oct 27 15:48:13 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Procmail problem
In-Reply-To: <16285.33123.566976.96323@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: 


Problem solved!

I added the lock, which had no effect.

However, logging procmail recealed a weird error message from procmail
(not spambayes) with respect to my spam folder, which is now like 70mb.
I think procmail doesn't like mbox folders that are too big or
contain too many messages.... Hmm.  So this was a procmail problem and not
a spambayes problem.

I shrunk my spam folder to like 1mb and now everything is peachy.

Thanks for your help!

-Calin



 On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Skip Montanaro wrote:

>
>     Calin> At any rate, I am having problems with this new version of
>     Calin> spambayes in conjunction with procmail.  It should be noted that
>     Calin> everything worked perfectly fine before with 1.0a2..
>
>     Calin> Basically, these are the two relevant procmail recipes:
>
>     Calin> # test for spam
>     Calin> :0 fw
>     Calin> | /usr/bin/sb_filter.py
>
>     Calin> # is it spam? if so save to spam mbox 'folder'
>     Calin> :0
>     Calin> * ^X-Spambayes-Classification: spam
>     Calin> spam
>
> I don't see anything obviously wrong, however here are two suggestions:
>
> * You probably need to specify the lock file to use for the test,
>   because procmail won't be able to deduce one.  My sb_filter rule looks
>   like this:
>
>     :0 fw:ham.lock
>     | /Users/skip/local/bin/sb_filter.py
>
> * Set these at the top of your .procmailrc file:
>
>     LOGABSTRACT=yes
>     VERBOSE=yes
>     LOGFILE=$HOME/.procmail.log
>
>   then look in .procmail.log for procmail error messages or Python
>   tracebacks.  (You may already have something to look at.  I don't know
>   what procmail's default logfile name is.)
>
> Skip
>


From dj at legalservicebureau.com  Mon Oct 27 16:04:46 2003
From: dj at legalservicebureau.com (DJ)
Date: Mon Oct 27 16:04:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Removal help
Message-ID: <200310272104.QAA28914@thunderer.cnchost.com>

Hello,

 

We were just wondering how to completely remove spambayes from the outlook
program?  We have uninstalled it from the control panel however if we right
click on the toolbar in outlook Spambayes is still able to be checked.Is
there a way to fix this?

 

Thanks any suggestions,

DJ

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Oct 27 16:51:51 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Oct 27 16:51:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is this possible?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <022d01c39cd4$889ee3a0$0500a8c0@eden>

Assuming all these mailboxes are managed using Outlook, and assuming you are
happy for spam from *all* inboxes to be filtered to a single folder, then
there should be no problem.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=keypoint.com.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=keypoint.com.au@python.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Atkinson, Milt
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2003 5:36 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Is this possible?
>
>
> Outlook human client that has rights to several other
> mailboxes, usually
> robot accounts, like HelpDesk, etc. If the human account
> installs SpamBayes
> on their machine for their mailbox, can SpamBayes be
> configured to also
> administer the robot mailboxes?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Oct 27 16:53:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Oct 27 16:53:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disabling
In-Reply-To: <000001c39c8d$9ac920a0$0200a8c0@FOREMAN>
Message-ID: <022e01c39cd4$d1c69c80$0500a8c0@eden>

I'm afraid I don't understand the question.  SpamBayes is always sitting
there, but is only actually doing something when Outlook tells it a new mail
arrives.  If no new mail arrives, SpamBayes does nothing.

There is no way to only have it load when you are receiving.

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Dennis Foreman
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2003 12:24 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Question about disabling
>
>
> Can Spambayes be set to ONLY run when I download messages
> (ie, when I click
> on "send/receive") instead of always running? It is annoying
> to wait for the
> filtering process when I am only using Outlook for outbound
> data (which I do
> a lot by clicking on "mailto" tags).
>
> regards,
> D. J. Foreman, Ph. D.
> website: http://DForeman.CS.Binghamton.EDU/~foreman
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Mon Oct 27 16:55:10 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Mon Oct 27 16:54:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] XP Pro memory leak
In-Reply-To: <000001c39c79$ecc07e80$585f3a18@nonefwqul3wgpw>
Message-ID: <022f01c39cd4$fece2b30$0500a8c0@eden>

This has never been reported before.  If you start then immediately stop
Outlook, do you see the same behaviour?  If so, could you please send us a
log (see the "Troubleshooting Guide")

Mark

> I like the filter, and it installed and runs as it should.  I
> have noticed
> that an instance of Outlook remains open in my Task Manager
> now, one for
> each time I open Outlook.
>
> I am running Office XP on Win XP Pro, both fully updated.
> This did not
> occur before installing SpamBayes.
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From milt at necam.com  Mon Oct 27 17:05:27 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:16:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Is this possible?
Message-ID: 

OK ... Great, we will launch this in the morning ... One more question ...
Before we try and wind up trashing something, will SpamBayes work on a
Japanese Outlook client? ... I have about 300 Japanese Outlook clients that
we provide email services for.

Thanks again

Milt
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hammond [mailto:mhammond@skippinet.com.au] 
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:52 PM
To: 'Atkinson, Milt'; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Is this possible?

Assuming all these mailboxes are managed using Outlook, and assuming you are
happy for spam from *all* inboxes to be filtered to a single folder, then
there should be no problem.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces+mhammond=keypoint.com.au@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces+mhammond=keypoint.com.au@python.org]
> On Behalf
> Of Atkinson, Milt
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 October 2003 5:36 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Is this possible?
>
>
> Outlook human client that has rights to several other mailboxes, 
> usually robot accounts, like HelpDesk, etc. If the human account 
> installs SpamBayes on their machine for their mailbox, can SpamBayes 
> be configured to also administer the robot mailboxes?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
From TJK at DISC.COM  Mon Oct 27 17:21:18 2003
From: TJK at DISC.COM (Tim Klooster)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:23:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filter suddenly stopped working
Message-ID: 

Can anyone help me out with this error?
Thanks,
Tim

SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 152, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 355, in LoadConfig
exceptions.EOFError: 
Registered: SpamBayes.OutlookAddin 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 152, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 355, in LoadConfig
exceptions.EOFError: 
SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, in dispatch
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 322, in _InvokeEx_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 601, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\server\policy.py", line 541, in _invokeex_
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\addin.py", line 655, in OnConnection
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 475, in GetManager
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 152, in __init__
  File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 355, in LoadConfig
exceptions.EOFError: 

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Mon Oct 27 17:31:25 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:31:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error installing
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B4422@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Pederson [mailto:pederson@empnet.com] 
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:00 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] error installing
> 
> I am trying to install ver 08.1 on my development system 
> which is running
> Windows 2003 Server and Outlook 2003 (I dial-up to an ISP for 
> mail service).
> When installing I get the following error message.
> 
> C:\program files\spambayes outlook addin\spambayes_addin.dll
> Unable to register the dll/ocx: dllregisterserver failed; 
> code 0x00000000

Hi, I'm about to recycle this sentence for the third time. It's gonna be
a FAQ shortly:



an exsiting BugReport [807618] says exactly the same symptom and it
seems to me some users found a workaround within the discussion:

https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=498103&aid=807618&grou
p_id=61702


good luck, Manuel

From davidstrachan at lineone.net  Mon Oct 27 17:45:23 2003
From: davidstrachan at lineone.net (davidstrachan)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:44:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question re.Outlook Express
Message-ID: <006901c39cdc$03036c40$f941e150@c9r2m2>

Dear Spam-bashers,

I apologise for writing, but I can't find (sorry if I haven't tried hard
enough) whether there is a version of Spambayes that works with Outlook
Express, which I use with Windows98 on a 200Mhz Pentium with 128Mb RAM (if
that makes any difference).

Please can you advise?

I read about your work in PCW magazine. Keep up the heroic struggle.

David


From richie at entrian.com  Mon Oct 27 17:58:25 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Mon Oct 27 17:58:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Question re.Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <006901c39cdc$03036c40$f941e150@c9r2m2>
References: <006901c39cdc$03036c40$f941e150@c9r2m2>
Message-ID: 

Hi David,

> I apologise for writing, but I can't find (sorry if I haven't tried hard
> enough) whether there is a version of Spambayes that works with Outlook
> Express [...]

You need to follow the instructions in the README:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/spambayes/README.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From gray at stanfordalumni.org  Mon Oct 27 18:22:59 2003
From: gray at stanfordalumni.org (Gray Norton)
Date: Mon Oct 27 18:22:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
Message-ID: <005801c39ce1$43806b10$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>

Hi!

I installed the Spambayes Outlook plug-in last week and have been
pleased so far with the results. I am having two problems, however:

1) For whatever reason, messages are no longer being moved automatically
to the Junk E-Mail and Junk Suspects folders during the automatic
filtering pass (despite the fact that messages are scored). Messages
were moved for the first day or two, but since then I've had to choose
the Filter Messages... menu item after the fact to get anything moved.
In case it helps to know, I'm running Outlook 2002 and Windows XP Pro.
In perusing the list archives for this month, I saw that at least a
couple other users have reported similar problems, but I couldn't find
solid confirmation of the problem or suggested workarounds -- perhaps
this is just an emerging issue?

2) On a more interesting, and potentially more troublesome note,
Spambayes seems to be getting fooled by messages created using a sneaky
HTML technique. The spammers are doing two unusual things in their
markup, obviously in a specific attempt to fool spam blockers:

  A) They're inserting non-standard (gibberish) tags in the middle of
words, relying on the fact that HTML renderers typically just ignore
such tags. Spambayes is apparently not fooled by these tags, as the
split words are still showing up in the list of tokens. However...

  B) They're interspersing what appear to be randomly chosen snippets
from other texts with the content of their messages, enclosing these
snippets in  tags. The text doesn't show up against
the white background, but it does get considered by Spambayes. The
presence of this randomly chosen text affects the "fingerprint" of the
message to such an extent that Spambayes cannot be trained to block it
(I've gotten multiple copies of the same email, each visually identical
but with entirely different snippets of hidden text). I didn't see any
messages in the archive on this subject, but I assume this is a familiar
technique? I trust there's nothing that can be done about it at the
configuration level -- correct? Are the Spambayes developers doing
anything to address this issue?

Thanks!

Gray Norton  



From Keithroos at kretek.com  Mon Oct 27 18:30:10 2003
From: Keithroos at kretek.com (Keith Roos)
Date: Mon Oct 27 18:32:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
Message-ID: 

 Have the program working and it is doing a pretty good job of catching
Spam.

 The only minor annoyance is it opens e-mail that contain virus's and my
anti-virus filters catch and quarantines the e-mail. I am concerned that if
a new virus comes in that is ahead of the virus definitions, it will open it
and infect the system. At least without the Spam filter it allows me the
chance to delete suspicious items before they are opened.
Is there a setting that will not open the e-mails as they come in??

  Thanks,
Keith

From rmalayter at bai.org  Mon Oct 27 18:38:13 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Mon Oct 27 18:38:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D496@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Gray Norton
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:23 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
> 
...can't help you with 1) but...

>   B) They're interspersing what appear to be randomly chosen 
> snippets from other texts with the content of their messages, 
> enclosing these snippets in  tags. The 
> text doesn't show up against the white background, but it 
> does get considered by Spambayes. The presence of this 
> randomly chosen text affects the "fingerprint" of the message 
> to such an extent that Spambayes cannot be trained to block 
> it (I've gotten multiple copies of the same email, each 
> visually identical but with entirely different snippets of 
> hidden text). I didn't see any messages in the archive on 
> this subject, but I assume this is a familiar technique? I 
> trust there's nothing that can be done about it at the 
> configuration level -- correct? Are the Spambayes developers 
> doing anything to address this issue?
> 

This is a toughie. I've seen a couple of spams that have portions of
popular AP news articles in white-on-white text. Spammers do this
because they know a lot of people receive news updates via email, and so
their filters (Bayesian or otherwise) might be tuned to let news updates
through.

If you're training base includes a lot of "news" ham, it follows that
spams wich contain an news article in white-on-white might contain a few
of your "innocent" words and sneak past SpamBayes. I have personally not
had a problem with this, since I read my news via websites, rather than
by email. But these news-including spam messages have scored around 92%,
putting them on the threshold of possible spam for me, so I can see
where some might have a problem.

The only solution I see right now is to train enough of these
news-including spam messages so that the domains being advertised by the
spam become terribly spammy, and the news article's words become less
innocent. Another option is to remove news updates from your ham
training set.

Perhaps a multi-word tokenizer like that used for CRM-114 would be more
effective against this type of spam. You might want to see if anyone
from that project can test against these devious messages.
http://crm114.sourceforge.net

From gray at stanfordalumni.org  Mon Oct 27 19:22:03 2003
From: gray at stanfordalumni.org (Gray Norton)
Date: Mon Oct 27 19:22:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D496@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <005901c39ce9$83c98140$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:rmalayter@bai.org]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 3:38 PM
> To: Gray Norton; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam

Hi, Ryan -

Thanks for the quick response...

> This is a toughie. I've seen a couple of spams that have portions of
> popular AP news articles in white-on-white text.



> If you're training base includes a lot of "news" ham, it follows that
> spams wich contain an news article in white-on-white might contain a
few
> of your "innocent" words and sneak past SpamBayes.

Interestingly enough, the white-on-white text in the spam I'm getting
doesn't seem to be from news sources (and my training set includes no
news content). These spammers seem to be taking their text from more
obscure sources -- essays, academic papers, fiction, and the like -- and
a good percentage of the words are not in my db at all.

I'm no expert in Bayesian analysis, or in the specific techniques
employed by Spambayes, but my assumption was that these "new"
(neither-ham-nor-spam) tokens were enough to lower the spam score and
let the message through. Is this plausible, or are entirely new tokens
not considered in calculating the score?

It seems to me that some sort of pre-tokenization filter might be
effective in catching these messages, since there may be telltale signs
of the technique in the markup that are discarded once the message has
been reduced to tokens. Would the Spambayes team object in principle to
such a step?

Thanks again,

Gray



From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Oct 27 19:39:41 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Oct 27 19:37:06 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F8CF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B101@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm no expert in Bayesian analysis, or in the specific 
> techniques employed by Spambayes, but my assumption was that 
> these "new" (neither-ham-nor-spam) tokens were enough to lower
> the spam score and let the message through. Is this plausible,
> or are entirely new tokens not considered in calculating the score?

They're not (by default).  If a token hasn't been seen before, then it will
score 0.5.  Any tokens that score between 0.4 and 0.6 aren't included in
calculating the message's score, so any new tokens won't be used.  So it's
only if the spam contains tokens that you've already trained as good that
this technique will have any effect.  The "show clues" option should
(hopefully) make some of this clear, per message.  If this technique does
start becoming successful, then there are ideas about how to work around it,
but so far they don't seem to have had much effect.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Oct 27 19:42:37 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Oct 27 19:39:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] suggestion
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1ED2A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B102@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> add a pop up to remind users to check thier uncertain and spam boxes 
> for mail to recover.

It's probably a good idea to open up a feature request tracker via the
sourceforge system  for this sort of
thing, or it'll get lost in list traffic :)

> When it goes commercial I will buy the first copy.

You'll be waiting a long time, sorry :)  SpamBayes is an open-source project
that will never be commercial, although other people might decide to take
the code and create a commercial product out of it (in fact, some already
have - take a look at ).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Mon Oct 27 19:56:47 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Mon Oct 27 19:54:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] spambayes crashing on save
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F171@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29C8@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Python is returning a stack trace whenever I save with the 
> following messages:
[...]
> DBRunRecoveryError: (-30982, 'DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal error, 
> run database recovery -- fatal region error detected; run recovery')

Take a look at the FAQ:



=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:03:03 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:00:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] X-Spambayes-Classification=spam not inserted
	usingOutlook
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F25E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B109@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm using the .81 Outlook plugin and the 
> X-Spambayes-Classification=spam header is not inserted in the 
> message as it is moved to my spam folder. I would like to do 
> this because I am using Zoe to classify and store my email. 
> The server I connect to is an IMAP folder.
> 
> Is there an option I can set for this to work ?

The Outlook plug-in doesn't do anything with the headers; because it's
tightly integrated with Outlook, it can use it's own field ("Spam") to store
the score in.  There is a feature request open (see
) to (optionally) add the headers as well,
but it's almost certainly several weeks away from being added.

However, you should be able to figure out some way to use both the Outlook
plug-in and sb_imapfilter.py; I'm fairly certain that they can share a
database (and someone else has previously posted that they use both
sb_server and the Outlook plug-in with on db), so you'll get the same
classification results (and you can just not train with imapfilter, which is
fine).  Imapfilter will want to move the mail for you, but if you set the
destination folders to the source folder, then it should probably work.
Note that I haven't tried any of this, but the theory is good :)

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:04:27 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:01:40 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Removal help
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F84E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B10A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> We were just wondering how to completely remove spambayes 
> from the outlook program?  We have uninstalled it from the 
> control panel however if we right click on the toolbar in 
> outlook Spambayes is still able to be checked.Is there a way 
> to fix this?

At the moment, you have to manually remove the toolbar.  Simply right click
on the toolbar (as you have been doing), choose "Customize", select the
"SpamBayes" toolbar, and click delete.

(Note that it will be automatically recreated next time you launch Outlook
if spambayes is still installed, or if you reinstall it).

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:16:37 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:13:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filter suddenly stopped working
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F883@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B10E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> Can anyone help me out with this error?
[...]
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook

What version of the plug-in are you using?  This looks pretty old (but I
could be wrong ;) - it's best to use the latest, which at this point is
008.1.

[...]
>   File "E:\src\spambayes\Outlook2000\manager.py", line 355, 
> in LoadConfig
> exceptions.EOFError: 

This looks like something has gone wrong with the configuration file.  You
could try cleaning that out (just renaming it would do) and restarting
Outlook.  The FAQ describes where you'll find it, along with the databases.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:18:45 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:15:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py Is there an option to leave
	mailmarked as new?
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1EF83@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B10F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> As the subject says, I'd like the imap filter to mark 
> messages it decides isn't spam as New.  Right now, when I 
> read my mail, I don't know what messages are new, since the 
> imap filter reads the messages in order to classify them.

It tries, but only works in certain circumstances (if the server supports
"BODY.PEEK").  This can be fixed (at least partially), though, and I will at
some point, promise!  (Sorry it's not done yet :)

> If sb_imapfilter.py doesn't support this, where should I sent 
> this feature request?



There might be a bug open already about this, but I'm not 100%.  Go ahead
and open a request if you can't be bothered looking, and I'll make sure I
close them both (if there are two) when I fix it.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:24:34 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:22:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Problem with 1.0a6
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08BEA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B111@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm trying to use the sb_imapfilter.py script in 1.0a6 and 
> when it runs (using the suggested command line flags for 
> training) I get an error in _extract_fetch_data that says 
> "TypeError: expected string or buffer".
>  
> I'm curious if anybody else had this problem.

I *think* this is probably one of the problems that I've recently fixed (in
source, i.e. cvs) with imapfilter.

[...]
> Also, if there 
> is anything you want me to try out (potential patches, more 
> diagnostics) just let me know.

There are plans afoot to put out a new source release, so you could wait (a
week, maybe) for that.  Alternatively, there is a release candidate here:




These aren't official releases, but you could, if you like, give them a go
and see if they fix the problem.  If you do, it would be great to know
either way.

(If you want to avoid overwriting your existing 1.06 release, you can run
imapfilter from the expanded archive - just set the environment variable
PYTHONPATH to the location of that directory, and put a copy of your
configuration file in the appropriate place).

=Tony Meyer


From anthony at interlink.com.au  Tue Oct 28 00:29:54 2003
From: anthony at interlink.com.au (Anthony Baxter)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:32:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py Is there an option to leave
	mailmarked as new? 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B10F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <200310280529.h9S5Ts0o018130@localhost.localdomain>


>>> "Tony Meyer" wrote
> It tries, but only works in certain circumstances (if the server supports
> "BODY.PEEK").  This can be fixed (at least partially), though, and I will at
> some point, promise!  (Sorry it's not done yet :)

Is there an IMAP server that _doesn't_ implement BODY.PEEK? I was under
the impression that it was pretty much universal...



-- 
Anthony Baxter        
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 00:38:27 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 00:35:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and Direct
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303C08C80@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F13026F29CA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

Hi John,

> Thank you for your help so far. You must be incredibly 
> patient.

No problems.  Sorry the responses aren't always that fast - I'm a tad busy
with other ('real life') stuff at the moment, 'cause I'm getting married
this Saturday - this also means I'm out of email contact from 31/10 until
17/11, too, so hopefully we can figure this in the next few days, or someone
else on the list will step in.

> I double 
> clicked the 'pop3proxy_tray.py' file and I also tried running it from 
> the windows 'Run' option but neither gave me an icon on the 
> screen such as you described.

I suspect this is for the same reason (whatever it is) as the problem with
pop3proxy, below.

> I have nonetheless put the file 'pop3proxy_tray.py' in 
> the startup menu so it should load every time on startup.

Once everything is working, that should do the required job.

> Also in the 
> directory C:\spambayes-1.0a5\windows I noticed a file called 
> autoconfigure which I double clicked thinking that it might 
> do what its name implies but it did not seem to change anything and when 
> I opened it to read its contents it seemed a description of what needs to
be 
> configured but the terms don't mean anything to me.

Alas, yes that is kinda the case.  At some point in the near future, this
script will take care of most of the configuration for you, but it's not
integrated yet, and isn't really intended to be used by anyone using the
1.0a5 release, apart from developers, perhaps.

[...]
> Here are my present settings:
> In Netspace 7.0 under edit/preferences/advanced/proxies there 
> are five lines as follows:
[...]

You don't want to change these.  They handle a proxy between your copy of
Netscape and your ISP.

> Then under Mail and Newsgroups Account settings:
> Server Settings
> Server Name: XXX
> User Name: XXX
> Port 110

These are the ones you want to first note down (in case you need to put them
back) and then change.  The server name needs to be changed to "localhost".
The rest *should* be able to stay the same.

[...]
> I have replaced both the Server Name as well as the SMTP 
> settings with the word 'localhost' but could not retrieve any emails.

This indicates that spambayes isn't running.  This is the right thing to do
(once it is), though.

> Running 'C:\spambayes-1.0a5\build\scripts-2.3\pop3proxy.py 
> -b' briefly opens a dos window followed by the Netscape window
> showing the address http://localhost: 8880/ and the 'My Connection'
> window. If I click 'connect' I get the message 'The requested URL
> could not be retrieved'.

The dos window should stay open at this point, and you should get the main
spambayes web interface page rather than the "could not be retrieved"
information.

Try doing this:
  1.  Open up a dos window.
  2.  Type in "cd C:\spambayes-1.0a5"
  3.  Type in (without the quotes) "set
PYTHONPATH=C:\spambayes-1.0a5;C:\spambayes-1.0a5\spambayes-1.0a5;C:\spambaye
s-1.0a5\spambayes;%PYTHONPATH%" (and then return)
  4.  Type in (without the quotes) "python pop3proxy.py -b" (and then
return)
(if you get a "no such file error at this point, then continue, otherwise it
should work)
  5.  Type in (without the quotes) "cd spambayes-1.0a5" (and then return)
(if you get a "no such directory" error, then continue, otherwise try step 4
again)
  6.  Type in (without the quotes) "cd spambayes" (and then return)
  7.  Try step 4 again.

=Tony Meyer


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 03:02:42 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 03:02:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633399@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>


Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and correct us, if
I am wrong, as I am not totally sure of what I'm telling here.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Roos [mailto:Keithroos@kretek.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:30 AM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
> 
>  The only minor annoyance is it opens e-mail that contain 
> virus's and my
> anti-virus filters catch and quarantines the e-mail. I am 
> concerned that if
> a new virus comes in that is ahead of the virus definitions, 
> it will open it
> and infect the system. At least without the Spam filter it 
> allows me the
> chance to delete suspicious items before they are opened.
> Is there a setting that will not open the e-mails as they come in??
> 

Spambayes has to open and read the email as it has to classify the words
in the mail.
It does not execute attachments, so viruses in attachments will not be
run/started. 
Neither it shows the mail in outlooks preview pane or within the
internet explorer, so viruses and worms trying to "use" or exploit known
Internet Explorer vulnerabilities wont work too.

Somebody would have to write a new virus that is able to fool spambayes
(first of all Spambayes would need a vulnerability ;-) by using a (not
yet exsiting) buffer overflow-issue.



So, if you don't get another answer to your question by one of the
actual developers, your can rest easily.


regards, Manuel

From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 03:15:00 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 03:15:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Simple and Direct
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED5B4427@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz] 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:38 AM
> To: 'John Coulter'; 'spambayes'
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Simple and Direct
> 
> > I have nonetheless put the file 'pop3proxy_tray.py' in 
> > the startup menu so it should load every time on startup.

I do not know exactly how you did in detail, but I would strongly
recommend to put a shortcut to that file into the startup-dir, instead
of copying the file to the startmenu.
In case of an "update" by installing a newer version, the file in the
startmenu would not be updated, and you would run into errors or
wondering why the new features/fixes do not work for you. If you create
a shortcut, it will pointer to the file within c:\spambayes... and yill
be up to date automagically.

greetz, Manuel

From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Tue Oct 28 05:48:28 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Tue Oct 28 05:48:11 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam filter suddenly stopped working
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <03dd01c39d41$0610df70$0500a8c0@eden>

> Can anyone help me out with this error?
> Thanks,
> Tim
> 
> SpamAddin - Connecting to Outlook
> pythoncom error: Failed to call the universal dispatcher
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "E:\src\pythonex\com\win32com\universal.py", line 170, 
> in dispatch

It looks like you have a very old version of the addin - see
www.spambayes.org/windows.html for an update.

Mark.
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From michael.nitabach at acedsl.com  Tue Oct 28 06:23:09 2003
From: michael.nitabach at acedsl.com (Michael N. Nitabach)
Date: Tue Oct 28 06:24:31 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Spambayes Digest, Vol 62, Issue 64
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:22:59 -0800
> From: "Gray Norton" 
> Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
> To: 



> 1) For whatever reason, messages are no longer being moved 
> automatically
> to the Junk E-Mail and Junk Suspects folders during the automatic
> filtering pass (despite the fact that messages are scored). Messages
> were moved for the first day or two, but since then I've had to choose
> the Filter Messages... menu item after the fact to get anything moved.
> In case it helps to know, I'm running Outlook 2002 and Windows XP Pro.
> In perusing the list archives for this month, I saw that at least a
> couple other users have reported similar problems, but I couldn't find
> solid confirmation of the problem or suggested workarounds -- perhaps
> this is just an emerging issue?



Have you tried enabling background filtering in the advanced tab of the Spambayes plugin preferences?

--
Mike Nitabach


From sage at auracom.com  Tue Oct 28 07:59:56 2003
From: sage at auracom.com (Stephen Sage)
Date: Tue Oct 28 08:02:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Thank You
Message-ID: 

That's it. The program is wonderful. Such a relief. Thanks. (I'm sorry I
can't make a monetary contribution)


From bmertens at uwo.ca  Tue Oct 28 09:07:14 2003
From: bmertens at uwo.ca (Barron Mertens)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:07:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003? Plug-in fails to install,
	am I out of luck?
Message-ID: <200310281407.h9SE7Eli022385@spork.its.uwo.ca>

I am trying to evaluate Spam Bayes Outlook Plug-in as a possible solution to
our Spam issues for the rollout of a large Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003
project. I was heartbroken when the installer failed, I have heard nothing
but good things about Spam Bayes, is Outlook 2003 supported? Will it be in
the future?

Barron Mertens
Senior Systems Engineer/Developer
Faculty of Education, UWO
London, ON, CANADA
N6G 1G7
519-661-2111 x88662
Office #1095 FOE


From milt at necam.com  Tue Oct 28 09:23:40 2003
From: milt at necam.com (Atkinson, Milt)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:23:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003? Plug-in fails to install, am I out 
	of luck?
Message-ID: 

We are currently using it with Outlook 2003 and have not had any issues. We
used it on the beta releases before thr RTM version and still have had no
issues.

Milt Atkinson
Manager Technical Services
Marketing & Sales Support Division
Corporate Network Group
NEC America, Inc.
214-262-7577 voice
214-262-7594 fax
milt@necam.com

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Barron Mertens [mailto:bmertens@uwo.ca] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:07 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003? Plug-in fails to install, am I out of
luck?

I am trying to evaluate Spam Bayes Outlook Plug-in as a possible solution to
our Spam issues for the rollout of a large Exchange 2003/Outlook 2003
project. I was heartbroken when the installer failed, I have heard nothing
but good things about Spam Bayes, is Outlook 2003 supported? Will it be in
the future?

Barron Mertens
Senior Systems Engineer/Developer
Faculty of Education, UWO
London, ON, CANADA
N6G 1G7
519-661-2111 x88662
Office #1095 FOE


_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 09:25:44 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:26:04 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003? Plug-in fails to install,
	am I out of luck?
In-Reply-To: <200310281407.h9SE7Eli022385@spork.its.uwo.ca>
Message-ID: 

Barron Mertens wrote:
> I am trying to evaluate Spam Bayes Outlook Plug-in as a possible
> solution to our Spam issues for the rollout of a large Exchange
> 2003/Outlook 2003 project. I was heartbroken when the installer
> failed, I have heard nothing but good things about Spam Bayes, is
> Outlook 2003 supported? Will it be in the future?

A number of people (including myself) have been running the latest
development builds under Outlook 2003 for a while with no problems.  A
new version of the Outlook addin with a (hopefully) much improved
installer is in the works and should be available soon (although there
is currently no definition of exactly when /soon/ is ).

If you like to live dangerously, I would be happy to set up a download
of my personal version of the development installer.  I can't make any
guarantees, however, that it will work as well for you as it has for me
or that there will not be significant differences from what eventually
gets released.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From bmertens at uwo.ca  Tue Oct 28 09:27:31 2003
From: bmertens at uwo.ca (Barron Mertens)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:27:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 install problem
Message-ID: <200310281427.h9SERWli024783@spork.its.uwo.ca>

Sorry folks, after posting to mailing list I found the archives and used the
shortened install path as a workaround and got it to install, sorry about
the noise on your list.

Barron Mertens
Senior Systems Engineer/Developer
Faculty of Education, UWO
London, ON, CANADA
N6G 1G7
519-661-2111 x88662
Office #1095 FOE


From dr.lurie at quality4u.org  Tue Oct 28 09:27:18 2003
From: dr.lurie at quality4u.org (Dr. Mark D. Lurie (QAL))
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:27:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A request for a response - 3 attempt
Message-ID: <000701c39d5f$a2ee8360$1401010a@mark3>

Greetings and good morning,

 

My name is Dr. Mark D. Lurie, CEO of Quality Assurance Laboratories, Inc.
(QAL).

 

We are a 32 year-old business that has been involved with the testing,
validation and certification of electronic products as well as supportive
software, etc.

 

I know that the Outlook Anti-spam program is free, however we would like to
make a recommendation that would greatly enhance the product and motivate
more individuals/companies to use it:

 

1. Since your system becomes imbedded into Outlook (specifically XP Office
Professional's version of Outlook), if an individual or company needs to
completely "scrub" a system, reformat the hard drive and place the operating
system and applicable application software back on, the "trained"
information along with the formal anti-spam database is lost. 

 

2. We recommend a way to be able to allow these files and the database
(hopefully along with the program) to be exported for saving (as Outlook
provides for it's own program) as well as somehow integrate it into the
"Save Office Settings" wizard.

 

This way all the information could be saved without having to go through the
"training" process again. It would be a great asset to a "already" great
anti-spam design.

 

Regards,

 

Dr. Mark D. Lurie

Quality Assurance Laboratories, Inc. (QAL)

6675 East 350 Road

Talala, Oklahoma 74080

(918) 275-8123, ext. 109 - voice

(918) 275-8866 - fax

dr.lurie@quality4u.org - email

 

From Daniel.Gonzalez at po.state.ct.us  Tue Oct 28 09:45:25 2003
From: Daniel.Gonzalez at po.state.ct.us (Gonzalez, Daniel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:46:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error.Spambayes Outlook Addin,Binary version 0.81
Message-ID: 

One of our users is getting the following error  [spambayes didn't
initialize error with spam plug in] when she first opens Outlook 2000 and we
use the Windows XP operating system.
I read on your site that reinstalling spambayes may fix this error also
cleared the registry on our server.No luck yet, any Ideas?
Thanks in advance.

Dan Gonzalez
Connecticut General Assembly
Hartford,Connecticut
860-240-0000


From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Oct 28 09:49:52 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Oct 28 09:49:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A011153FF@cliff.bai.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Norton [mailto:gray@stanfordalumni.org] 
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
>
> I'm no expert in Bayesian analysis, or in the specific 
> techniques employed by Spambayes, but my assumption was that 
> these "new"
> (neither-ham-nor-spam) tokens were enough to lower the spam 
> score and let the message through. Is this plausible, or are 
> entirely new tokens not considered in calculating the score?

New tokens receive a score of 0.5, so this shouldn't be an issue. Could
you post the spam clues message for one of these so we can see the
original message stream as well as the spamBayes scoring?

From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 28 10:56:48 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 28 10:57:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633399@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>
References: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED633399@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>
Message-ID: <16286.37312.368088.712344@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Manuel> Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and
    Manuel> correct us, if I am wrong, as I am not totally sure of what I'm
    Manuel> telling here.

Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it try to feed it to
another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow problems would
have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current time we are
unaware of any.

Skip

From mdyer at jabra.com  Tue Oct 28 11:03:32 2003
From: mdyer at jabra.com (Med Dyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 11:00:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Inbox not updating, no filtering
Message-ID: 

I have installed SpamBayes on a laptop running Outlook 2000 on an office
Exchange server. I trained it using 200+ mails. There are two problems:

1) When I hit "delete as spam" while viewing my inbox, the message does not
get deleted from the window immediately. Only when I do something else, like
scroll down in the message listing or minimize and then maximize the window,
does the "deleted" message actually move from one mail folder to another.

2) Incoming mail is not getting acted on. It appears to be getting scored,
because if I use the "show span clues...", it shows the clues and the
scores. Even when these score is 99%, the message stays in the inbox.

I have not found the button mentioned in the help file -- "Select the
SpamBayes manager, then ensure the button Enable Filtering is checked". I
see a button that says "Enable SpamBayes", but no "Enable Filtering".

Thanks for any help,

Med Dyer


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From Rick.Tuttle at us.sasol.com  Tue Oct 28 11:38:20 2003
From: Rick.Tuttle at us.sasol.com (Tuttle, Rick (RJ))
Date: Tue Oct 28 11:38:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Corporate Use of SpamBayes
Message-ID: <74CA49736E9E5540ACC96F744A8EE5EC91DB14@houdmsg02.sasol.com>


I am testing your product in an Outlook XP/2002 on Windows 2000
Professional environment.  I am getting good results, so far.
Typically, our firm pays license fees for software we use.   From your
website, I can see that you only request donations to Python Software
Foundation (PSF).

Please confirm that this is true for corporate users, too.

Thanks,

Rick Tuttle
Sasol North America
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Fax:  281-588-3888

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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 28 11:52:49 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 28 11:52:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Corporate Use of SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <74CA49736E9E5540ACC96F744A8EE5EC91DB14@houdmsg02.sasol.com>
References: <74CA49736E9E5540ACC96F744A8EE5EC91DB14@houdmsg02.sasol.com>
Message-ID: <16286.40673.559533.974982@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Rick> Typically, our firm pays license fees for software we use.  From
    Rick> your website, I can see that you only request donations to Python
    Rick> Software Foundation (PSF).

    Rick> Please confirm that this is true for corporate users, too.

Rick,

Yes, that is true.  We appreciate the offer to support SpamBayes, and more
generally, Python development.

-- 
Skip Montanaro
Got gigs? http://www.musi-cal.com/
          http://www.mojam.com/
Got spam? http://spambayes.sf.net/

From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 12:04:24 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:04:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Corporate Use of SpamBayes
In-Reply-To: <74CA49736E9E5540ACC96F744A8EE5EC91DB14@houdmsg02.sasol.com>
Message-ID: 

[Tuttle, Rick (RJ)]
> I am testing your product in an Outlook XP/2002 on Windows 2000
> Professional environment.  I am getting good results, so far.
> Typically, our firm pays license fees for software we use.   From your
> website, I can see that you only request donations to Python Software
> Foundation (PSF).
>
> Please confirm that this is true for corporate users, too.

Yes, Open Source software is free for use by anyone.  Non-discrimination
against fields of endeavor is one of the basic requirements for open-source
licensed software:

    http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php

While donations to the PSF are appreciated, they're not required either.
Even more appreciated would be if you liked the program so much that you
contributed some of your time here to answering questions like yours
.


From Keithroos at kretek.com  Tue Oct 28 12:24:17 2003
From: Keithroos at kretek.com (Keith Roos)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:24:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
Message-ID: 

Gentlemen,

 Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why it is
standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 

Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out opening
the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.

 
Thanks

Keith 




-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM
To: Dejonghe, Manuel
Cc: Keith Roos; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 



    Manuel> Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and
    Manuel> correct us, if I am wrong, as I am not totally sure of what I'm
    Manuel> telling here.

Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it try to feed it to
another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow problems would
have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current time we are
unaware of any.

Skip

From cdellario at whatif-productions.com  Tue Oct 28 12:33:05 2003
From: cdellario at whatif-productions.com (Chris Dellario)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:32:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
Message-ID: <113EE4C6211B1D41A34E54A089F4795C0AFC91@mailbox.whatif-productions.com>

I think SpamBayes would be only be exposing the system to danger if it
used Outlook to open the message, which I don't believe it does (correct
me if I'm wrong, fellas).  Outlook is especially suseptable to viruses
because it can allow macros and VBA scripts to execute, and suffers from
buffer overflows and all of those other fun vulnerabilities that
Microsoft is endlessly patching.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Roos [mailto:Keithroos@kretek.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:24 PM
To: 'skip@pobox.com'; Dejonghe, Manuel
Cc: spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 

Gentlemen,

 Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why it
is
standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 

Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out
opening
the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.

 
Thanks

Keith 




-----Original Message-----
From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM
To: Dejonghe, Manuel
Cc: Keith Roos; spambayes@python.org
Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 



    Manuel> Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and
    Manuel> correct us, if I am wrong, as I am not totally sure of what
I'm
    Manuel> telling here.

Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it try to feed
it to
another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow problems
would
have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current time we are
unaware of any.

Skip

_______________________________________________
Spambayes@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 12:39:19 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:39:45 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

Keith Roos wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> 
>  Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why
> it is standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox.
> 
> Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out
> opening the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.

Viruses in an e-mail are triggered by one of two things: the user
executes an attachment, or there is some active content such as
JavaScript or an ActiveX control in an HTML e-mail that gets executed
when the user views the message.  In Outlook or Outlook Express, the
second condition occurs because the Internet Explorer engine is what is
used to render the HTML.

Because SpamBayes neither executes the attachments nor renders the
content, there should be no problems with accidentally triggering a
virus.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From tim.one at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 12:40:43 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:40:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

[Keith Roos]
> Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why
> it is standard practice to  set outlook not to preview the inbox.

Your computer had to "open the email" in the sense that spambayes opens it
just to *store* it in Outlook.  The message didn't get into Outlook to begin
with by magic.  The preview pane does very much more than that:  it fires up
the browser component, image viewers, sound players, and possibly (if your
settings are very lax) executes embedded script too.  spambayes does none of
that, it just retrieves the characters in the message, in encoded and
unexecuted form.

> Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out
> opening the e-mail

Sorry, that's flatly impossible -- we can't score the words in the email
without seeing the words in the email.  No other program could either.

> and exposing the computer to viruses.

spambayes doesn't "open the e-mail" in the sense you have in mind.


From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 28 12:42:13 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:43:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16286.43637.568322.497179@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Keith> Viruses are triggered by opening an e-mail to read it. That's why
    Keith> it is standard practice to set outlook not to preview the inbox.

It's what a program does once it's opened the file that is the problem.
Outlook may determine the file is a Word document then automatically ship it
off to Word to open.  That exposes the user to any Word macro viruses the
file may contain.  SpamBayes does nothing like that.  It opens the file and
reads the contents.  It never executes the contents, nor does it ask other
programs to do so.

I'm immune to Word macro viruses on my machine not because SpamBayes doesn't
open such files but because:

    * I have no software on my machine which would execute Word macros

    * If I did, SpamBayes wouldn't ask it to load the file

In short, to be infected by a virus you have to coax the relevant subsystem
to execute the file.  Simply reading the bytes doesn't cause the virus to
infect the computer.

Skip

From lebel at lebel.org  Tue Oct 28 12:42:40 2003
From: lebel at lebel.org (David Lebel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:43:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] new to spambayes
Message-ID: <20031028174240.GC20014@lebel.org>

Hi,

I've been using SpamAssassin and bmf together for a good while.
However, I think bayasian (sp?) filtering is the way to go for many
reasons.  And SpamAssassin lately has been really slacking on his spam
recognition.

That being said, I trained SB with my inbox and my span folders.
However, I didn't find a while to get a detailed output of how
sb_filter.py came up with the fact that a particular piece of spam is
spam.  Like, a detailled output of words and score given to those words.

Is that possible?

Ciao,
  ...David

-- 
// david lebel  //
// http://www.lebel.org/           http://www.nobiaze.com/ //
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From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 12:44:27 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:44:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333A5@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Roos [mailto:Keithroos@kretek.com] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 18:24
> To: 'skip@pobox.com'; Dejonghe, Manuel
> Cc: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
> 
> Gentlemen,
> 
>  Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. 
> That's why it is
> standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 
> 
> Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with 
> out opening
> the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.

Sorry, viruses are triggered either if the mail is shown to somebody,
which is not the case if spambayes cyles trough it, or if an attachment
is executed, which is not the case neither.

let me try to explain the former part:
The danger of the preview pane is, a "part" of the InternetExplorer is
used to render the html-mail. So if you have got an unpatched
InternetExplorer (that is vulnerable to malicious html-code), you are
not only vulnerable by visiting dubious (or hijacked) websites but also
by showing an html-mail (with malicious code) in the preview pane.
(Sure, if you open the mail directly, nothing less than the internet
explorer is used too).
Spambayes does not use the InternetExplorer or something like that to
have a look in your mails. And it certainly doesn't try to render
html-pages/mails.


BTW: There is another nice way to prevent starting viruses hidden in
HTML-Mails:
The Microsoft-Knowledgebase-Article
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;307594 describes
how to deactivate the view of HTML-Mails. If you love the preview pane
(as I do) and don't like html-mails (as I don't), you might get happy
with seeing the plain-text-representation of the mail. This is more
"safe" as vulnerable code hidden within an html-mail is not executed.
Alas, mails written in PURE HTML with LOTS of images (like many
newsletters have) get ugly. Try to change you subscription to a
plain-text one or to train the mail as spam ;-)

regards, Manuel


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM
> To: Dejonghe, Manuel
> Cc: Keith Roos; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
> 
>     Manuel> Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and
>     Manuel> correct us, if I am wrong, as I am not totally 
> sure of what I'm
>     Manuel> telling here.
> 
> Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
> contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it 
> try to feed it to
> another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow 
> problems would
> have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current 
> time we are
> unaware of any.
> 
> Skip
> 

From gray at stanfordalumni.org  Tue Oct 28 12:44:52 2003
From: gray at stanfordalumni.org (Gray Norton)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:45:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B101@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <002601c39d7b$3202ac00$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tony Meyer [mailto:tameyer@ihug.co.nz]
> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 4:40 PM
> To: 'Gray Norton'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
> 
> > or are entirely new tokens not considered in calculating the score?
> 
> They're not (by default).  If a token hasn't been seen before, then it
> will score 0.5.  Any tokens that score between 0.4 and 0.6 aren't
included > in calculating the message's score, so any new tokens won't
be used.  So
> it's only if the spam contains tokens that you've already trained as
good
> that this technique will have any effect.

OK, that's very helpful to know. Unfortunately, by the time I got your
response I had trained against the new message, making it impossible (as
far as I know) to view the clues as they had appeared when the message
arrived. However, I got two new copies of the mail today, with different
white-on-white text. What I discovered was very interesting...

A look at the clues for the new messages revealed that there were a
bunch of tokens with a #ham value of 1 and a #spam value of 0; it is
apparently by virtue of these tokens that the messages are slipping
through. The odd thing is that I am 99.99% certain that these tokens
have never appeared in a piece of ham (I did a full-text search for a
few of the tokens on my previously trained ham and confirmed that they
were not there...besides, many of them are extremely obscure words or
typos).

It is AS IF this message somehow fooled Spambayes into training on it as
ham prior to scoring it. I know this makes no sense, but that's really
how it looks. Does anyone have a clue how to explain this?

Thanks,

Gray



From gray at activebuddy.com  Tue Oct 28 12:49:42 2003
From: gray at activebuddy.com (Gray Norton)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:50:21 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
Message-ID: <002b01c39d7b$de3ddbc0$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>

As Ryan requested, here is the spam clues message for one of the
messages I received this morning.

-----

Spam Score: 5% (0.0541998)


word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
'*H*'                               0.892561            -      -
'*S*'                               0.000960585         -      -
'bay'                               0.0215311          10      0
'sympathy'                          0.0652174           3      0
'survive'                           0.0918367           2      0
'bay,'                              0.155172            1      0
'conscience,'                       0.155172            1      0
'creep.'                            0.155172            1      0
'driveand'                          0.155172            1      0
'enemy.'                            0.155172            1      0
'foundland'                         0.155172            1      0
'from:addr:mail.plugged.com.lb'     0.155172            1      0
'from:addr:miyokostef'              0.155172            1      0
'from:name:r. wilson'               0.155172            1      0
'ideal,'                            0.155172            1      0
'lichen'                            0.155172            1      0
"need.'"                            0.155172            1      0
'one--'                             0.155172            1      0
'one--his'                          0.155172            1      0
'pamphlet,'                         0.155172            1      0
'resultsin'                         0.155172            1      0
'rock.'                             0.155172            1      0
'safelythe'                         0.155172            1      0
'seized'                            0.155172            1      0
'session,'                          0.155172            1      0
'shippingfor'                       0.155172            1      0
'shiver'                            0.155172            1      0
'structurally'                      0.155172            1      0
'subject:L\xe4rge'                  0.155172            1      0
'subject:M\xe4l\xeb'                0.155172            1      0
'subject:Safe'                      0.155172            1      0
'subject:xtip'                      0.155172            1      0
'subject:\xfcn\xedt'                0.155172            1      0
'new'                               0.225008          116     72
'part'                              0.228241           21     13
'district'                          0.263882            3      2
'both'                              0.282454           24     20
'near'                              0.290819            6      5
'buy'                               0.300157           60     55
'should'                            0.318924           44     44
'has'                               0.321267           75     76
'same'                              0.33348            30     32
'which'                             0.33912            61     67
'believed'                          0.341929            2      2
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From tlawson at cisco.com  Tue Oct 28 12:49:50 2003
From: tlawson at cisco.com (Todd Lawson)
Date: Tue Oct 28 12:50:26 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <77414913984.20031028094950@cisco.com>

Hi Keith,

I am not one of the developers of SpamBayes; I am just a user.
However, I wanted to respond to your email.

What you stated below is a common misconception about email. A virus
is just a small program that is attached to an email. Scanning the
email to determine if it is spam will not "trigger" the virus, as long
as the program that is reading the email does not execute the program.
As far as I know, Outlook is the only email program that will
automatically execute a program that is attached to an email, even if
the email is just shown in the preview panel (as you correctly pointed
out).

The question to ask is if SpamBayes opens the email to classify it and
then runs any attached programs, or if SpamBayes just scans to
classify the email prior to it's actual delivery to Outlook. As long
as Outlook (the actual program) does not get a chance to open the
email, there should be zero chance of a virus infection.

My main point here is that the actual email message is not dangerous;
it is the programs that people use to open email that are dangerous.
Outlook is one of a small number of email programs that actually allow
email viruses to execute. There are *many* email clients out there
that never execute email viruses, thus allowing you to be 100% email
virus-free.

Please let me know if you would like a recommendation on alternate
email clients. I do not want to add "spam" to a spam email alias. :)

Good luck,

Todd




Tuesday, October 28, 2003, 9:24:17 AM, you wrote:

KR> Gentlemen,

KR>  Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why it is
KR> standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 

KR> Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out opening
KR> the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.

 
KR> Thanks

KR> Keith 




KR> -----Original Message-----
KR> From: Skip Montanaro [mailto:skip@pobox.com]
KR> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:57 AM
KR> To: Dejonghe, Manuel
KR> Cc: Keith Roos; spambayes@python.org
KR> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 



KR>     Manuel> Please, somebody of the developer team read my answer and
KR>     Manuel> correct us, if I am wrong, as I am not totally sure of what I'm
KR>     Manuel> telling here.

KR> Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
KR> contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it try to feed it to
KR> another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow problems would
KR> have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current time we are
KR> unaware of any.

KR> Skip

KR> _______________________________________________
KR> Spambayes@python.org
KR> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
KR> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Tue Oct 28 13:10:15 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:10:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus
In-Reply-To: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333A5@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>
References: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333A5@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>
Message-ID: <3F9EB107.6050502@rbwconsulting.com>

In case you are going to write-up any docs on it, the sb outlook plugin 
uses "extended MAPI" to access the messages directly in microsoft's mail 
store. Therefore, if an exploit requires outlook, spambayes bypasses 
outlook and cannot trigger the exploit.

Dejonghe, Manuel wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Keith Roos [mailto:Keithroos@kretek.com] 
>>Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 18:24
>>To: 'skip@pobox.com'; Dejonghe, Manuel
>>Cc: spambayes@python.org
>>Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus 
>>
>>Gentlemen,
>>
>> Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. 
>>That's why it is
>>standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 
>>
>>Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with 
>>out opening
>>the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.
> 

-- 
Adam Walker
Consultant, CGI
Public Key at http://meta.xenogeist.com/filemgmt/visit.php?lid=1
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From nicke2323 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 13:10:25 2003
From: nicke2323 at hotmail.com (Nicke Nicke)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:10:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie Q: How do I classify a mbox without training?
Message-ID: 

Subject says nearly all. Checked the FAQ and searched the archive but still 
don't have a clue. I suspect this question is too basic!

I have a UNIX mbox file of mixed messages which I'd like to classify, but 
without training on the sample.  How do I do this? The Web interface only 
allows one message at a time.

Running Spambayes & pop3proxy on WinXP.

_________________________________________________________________
Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. 
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 13:21:55 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:22:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333A7@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Norton [mailto:gray@stanfordalumni.org] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 18:45
> To: 'Tony Meyer'; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Messages not moving / Sneaky HTML spam
> 
> It is AS IF this message somehow fooled Spambayes into 
> training on it as
> ham prior to scoring it. I know this makes no sense, but that's really
> how it looks. Does anyone have a clue how to explain this?

It would be indeed a spammers dream to get a way to fool the worlds best
spamfilter, but I don't think we are that far ;-)
Maybe it's a technique that works on EVERY Bayesian filter ?

You certainly had a look at the sourcecode of this htmlmail. Wasn't
there anything that looked odd?
Maybe it's a nice idea to provide such a mail to everybody interested.
Nooo, not by mail. Do you have any webspace where you can deposit an
anonymised version of that mail ?
If not, you may send it to me (by notifying me in another mail of this,
spammails get read directly), I'll offer it for download.

regards, Manuel

From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Oct 28 13:37:13 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:37:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2AF3D49A@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Todd Lawson
> Subject: Re[2]: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus



> My main point here is that the actual email message is not dangerous;
> it is the programs that people use to open email that are dangerous.
> Outlook is one of a small number of email programs that actually allow
> email viruses to execute. There are *many* email clients out there
> that never execute email viruses, thus allowing you to be 100% email
> virus-free.

You make some statements that are not generally true. Outlook indeed has
known (and more unknown) vulnerabilities email attachments, mostly
because it relies on IE to render those. IE has had a number of security
vulnerabilites that allow any code to execute on the system.

However, there have been remote buffer overflows and other security
problems found in non-MS mail programs that allow similar arbitrary
code-execution (i.e. an automatically spreading virus). Simply because
the security holes haven't been exploited by a virus for a particular
email program doesn't mean they're not there, or that a virus will not
be created to exploit them.

Even security-conscious open-source email clients like Sylpheed have
been found vulnerable to carefully crafted, malicious emails. Some
Examples:

Sylpheed: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8877/info/
Eudora: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/5397/discussion/
Netscape/Mozilla: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/6254/discussion/
Lotus Notes: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/3458/discussion/
Pine: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/8588/discussion/


Todd, you cannot be sure of the absolute security of any mail client and
say it "never executes email viruses". And I would say there are not
"many" mail programs that are completely invulnerable to remote
compromise, since that is completely impossible to prove. Your only
evidence is that they haven't been compromised *yet*. 

Outlook is the biggest target, so it gets the most attention from the
virus-writing idiots out there. You can fly under the virus radar and
indeed be safer by picking a different email client. But if another mail
program were to even remotely as popular is Outlook and Outlook Express,
you'd see it quickly picked apart as well. 

Regards,
	Ryan

From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Oct 28 13:44:51 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:44:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115407@cliff.bai.org>

It sure looks like a copy of this message was trained as ham before you
ran the spam clues, since so many of the tokens unique to this message
are listed with one ham count. 

Are you sure you didn't mis-click a training button? Do you have the
plug-in set up to train when you move messages from folder to folder? (I
cannot remember if SB does this by default.) Could you have moved it by
accident? What about an Outlook rule moving the message?

I turn the "train when messages moved" features of SpamBayes off, so I
only get training when I pusposely click on the "delete as spam" or
"recover as ham" buttons.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Gray Norton
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:50 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
> 
> 
> As Ryan requested, here is the spam clues message for one of the
> messages I received this morning.
> 
> -----
> 
> Spam Score: 5% (0.0541998)
> 
> 
> word                                spamprob         #ham  #spam
> '*H*'                               0.892561            -      -
> '*S*'                               0.000960585         -      -
> 'bay'                               0.0215311          10      0
> 'sympathy'                          0.0652174           3      0
> 'survive'                           0.0918367           2      0
> 'bay,'                              0.155172            1      0
> 'conscience,'                       0.155172            1      0
> 'creep.'                            0.155172            1      0
> 'driveand'                          0.155172            1      0
> 'enemy.'                            0.155172            1      0
> 'foundland'                         0.155172            1      0
> 'from:addr:mail.plugged.com.lb'     0.155172            1      0
> 'from:addr:miyokostef'              0.155172            1      0
> 'from:name:r. wilson'               0.155172            1      0
> 'ideal,'                            0.155172            1      0
> 'lichen'                            0.155172            1      0
> "need.'"                            0.155172            1      0
> 'one--'                             0.155172            1      0
> 'one--his'                          0.155172            1      0
> 'pamphlet,'                         0.155172            1      0
> 'resultsin'                         0.155172            1      0
> 'rock.'                             0.155172            1      0
> 'safelythe'                         0.155172            1      0
> 'seized'                            0.155172            1      0
> 'session,'                          0.155172            1      0
> 'shippingfor'                       0.155172            1      0
> 'shiver'                            0.155172            1      0
> 'structurally'                      0.155172            1      0
> 'subject:L\xe4rge'                  0.155172            1      0
> 'subject:M\xe4l\xeb'                0.155172            1      0
> 'subject:Safe'                      0.155172            1      0
> 'subject:xtip'                      0.155172            1      0
> 'subject:\xfcn\xedt'                0.155172            1      0



From a.patacchiola at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 13:46:47 2003
From: a.patacchiola at comcast.net (Adam Patacchiola)
Date: Tue Oct 28 13:46:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Filtering
Message-ID: 

Hi, 

I can not seem to get the filtering to work for incoming email. I'm using
outlook 2003, and spambayes plugin version 008. I have read all the config
and troubleshooting guides and am still stuck. I have several email accounts
(both POP and IMAP) and have rules set up to move mail to folders based on
the account. I have tried enabling the background filtering option and it
does not work.
 
Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Adam
From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 14:03:04 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 14:03:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Filtering
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333A9@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adam Patacchiola [mailto:a.patacchiola@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 19:47
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook 2003 Filtering
> 
> I can not seem to get the filtering to work for incoming 
> email. I'm using
> outlook 2003, and spambayes plugin version 008. I have read 
> all the config
> and troubleshooting guides and am still stuck. I have several 
> email accounts
> (both POP and IMAP) and have rules set up to move mail to 
> folders based on
> the account. I have tried enabling the background filtering 
> option and it
> does not work.
>  
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Sure. Anymore information would be very helpful too...

If you solely think "it doesn't work", you should get the latest
version, which is 0081.

If you are stuck on a certain thing, let us know what it is ;-)
Maybe you have just overseen this FAQ:
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#i-get-a-message-that-says-i-ne
ed-to-enable-spambayes-or-the-enable-button-is-greyed-out

regards, Manuel

From neale at woozle.org  Tue Oct 28 14:04:49 2003
From: neale at woozle.org (Neale Pickett)
Date: Tue Oct 28 14:04:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] new to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <20031028174240.GC20014@lebel.org> (David Lebel's message of
	"Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:42:40 -0500")
References: <20031028174240.GC20014@lebel.org>
Message-ID: 

David Lebel  writes:

> However, I didn't find a while to get a detailed output of how
> sb_filter.py came up with the fact that a particular piece of spam is
> spam.  Like, a detailled output of words and score given to those
> words.
>
> Is that possible?

Yep!  Just add the following to your ~/.spambayesrc:

  [Headers]
  include_evidence: True

And you'll get an "X-Spambayes-Evidince" header that details each token
(word) used in the score calculation, and that token's spam probability.
Very entertaining!

Neale

From mdyer at jabra.com  Tue Oct 28 14:15:31 2003
From: mdyer at jabra.com (Med Dyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 14:12:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Inbox not updating, no filtering
Message-ID: 

I forgot to mention -- when I installed SpamBayes I did get an error message
that a DLL would not install. The installation continued from that point and
seemed to work OK, but maybe that is why I am having problems now.

Thanks,

Med Dyer

====================================


I have installed SpamBayes on a laptop running Outlook 2000 on an office
Exchange server. I trained it using 200+ mails. There are two problems:

1) When I hit "delete as spam" while viewing my inbox, the message does not
get deleted from the window immediately. Only when I do something else, like
scroll down in the message listing or minimize and then maximize the window,
does the "deleted" message actually move from one mail folder to another.

2) Incoming mail is not getting acted on. It appears to be getting scored,
because if I use the "show span clues...", it shows the clues and the
scores. Even when these score is 99%, the message stays in the inbox.

I have not found the button mentioned in the help file -- "Select the
SpamBayes manager, then ensure the button Enable Filtering is checked". I
see a button that says "Enable SpamBayes", but no "Enable Filtering".


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From skip at pobox.com  Tue Oct 28 14:33:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Tue Oct 28 14:34:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie Q: How do I classify a mbox without training?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <16286.50338.505116.422425@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Nicke> I have a UNIX mbox file of mixed messages which I'd like to
    Nicke> classify, but without training on the sample.  How do I do this?
    Nicke> The Web interface only allows one message at a time.

Check out the sb_mboxtrain.py script.

Skip

From gray at stanfordalumni.org  Tue Oct 28 14:49:01 2003
From: gray at stanfordalumni.org (Gray Norton)
Date: Tue Oct 28 14:49:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
In-Reply-To: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115407@cliff.bai.org>
Message-ID: <004601c39d8c$89c53190$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:rmalayter@bai.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:45 AM
> To: Gray Norton; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
> 
> It sure looks like a copy of this message was trained as ham before
you
> ran the spam clues, since so many of the tokens unique to this message
> are listed with one ham count.

I agree -- that definitely appears to be the case.

> Are you sure you didn't mis-click a training button? Do you have the
> plug-in set up to train when you move messages from folder to folder?
(I
> cannot remember if SB does this by default.) Could you have moved it
by
> accident? What about an Outlook rule moving the message?

I'm positive I didn't mis-click, so I'm thinking that the message-moving
theory is the one to investigate, especially since I do have Outlook
rules that move all of my messages when they come in.

Looking at my filtering setup, I see that I have filtering enabled for
my main Inbox folder, as well as for all of its subfolders, into which
my Outlook rules move messages. I set things up this way because I
wasn't sure how Spambayes interacted with Outlook rules from a timing
standpoint and I figured it couldn't hurt to check all of the folders.

I suppose it's possible that some or all of my spam gets filtered from
the Inbox into the Junk E-Mail folder, then somehow snatched back out of
Junk E-Mail by an Outlook rule and deposited in one of my Inbox
subfolders, where it gets checked again -- this would account for the
scoring I'm seeing. If so, however, it is happening quickly enough that
the Outlook GUI doesn't show it.

For now, I'm going to 1) Disable the train-on-move options; and 2) Stop
filtering the main Inbox folder and filter only the subfolders instead.
We'll see whether that solves the problem.

> I turn the "train when messages moved" features of SpamBayes off, so I
> only get training when I pusposely click on the "delete as spam" or
> "recover as ham" buttons.

So, if I understand you correctly, the train-on-move options displayed
in the Spambayes Manager apply when messages are moved by drag-and-drop
or by Outlook rules, but NOT when messages are moved by Spambayes'
"delete as spam" and "recover as ham" buttons (in which case training
happens regardless of the setting). Have I inferred correctly? If so,
then I was definitely mistaken in my original interpretation of these
options.

Thanks for your help,

Gray  




From slazarz at avexus.com  Tue Oct 28 15:09:30 2003
From: slazarz at avexus.com (Stephen R. Lazarz)
Date: Tue Oct 28 15:09:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] COM add-in not loading
Message-ID: <33C4652C6CDD7548A14F04001BFB1DE5EE4DD2@mailsd.avexus.com>

I have been using the project with Outlook 2003. Everything had been
working, until and error occurred in outlook. It complained about
something, unfortunately I don't recall what, and now I can't get the
product to load. Outlook will not recognize the add-in and reloading the
software didn't help. Has anyone run into this before? Is there a
workaround to get SpamBayes loaded? I can't find and logging of errors.
Hope someone can help...
Regards,
Stephen R Lazarz
Systems Administrator

Avexus, Inc.
858.352.3311 ph
858.352.3301 fx
slazarz@avexus.com

www.avexus.com
Software For The MRO World


From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 28 15:11:57 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Tue Oct 28 15:12:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
In-Reply-To: <004601c39d8c$89c53190$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>
Message-ID: 

Gray Norton wrote:
> Looking at my filtering setup, I see that I have filtering enabled for
> my main Inbox folder, as well as for all of its subfolders, into which
> my Outlook rules move messages. I set things up this way because I
> wasn't sure how Spambayes interacted with Outlook rules from a timing
> standpoint and I figured it couldn't hurt to check all of the folders.

I'm sorry, I missed the beginning of this discussion.  What version of
the Outlook addin are you using?

IIRC, there was a problem a couple of versions back where SpamBayes
would train on any message that were moved *into* a filtered folder.
This included messages that were moved by Outlook rules, so if your
rules are moving messages into subfolders that your are filtering then
it would have triggered this condition.  The problem should be fixed in
newer versions (0.81 is current), but old data could still be in your
training database if you previously upgraded from an earlier version.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 15:15:04 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 15:17:49 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] COM add-in not loading
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333AB@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen R. Lazarz [mailto:slazarz@avexus.com] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 21:09
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] COM add-in not loading
> 
> I have been using the project with Outlook 2003. Everything had been
> working, until and error occurred in outlook. It complained about
> something, unfortunately I don't recall what, and now I can't get the
> product to load. Outlook will not recognize the add-in and 
> reloading the
> software didn't help. Has anyone run into this before? Is there a
> workaround to get SpamBayes loaded? I can't find and logging 
> of errors.
> Hope someone can help...

Spambayes is not a Com-Addin. so you don't have to look for it where you
did but in Help-Menu->About->Disabled Items.
Here you can reenable it until it complains again about something (and
then yrite it down ;-).

regards, Manuel

From gray at activebuddy.com  Tue Oct 28 16:12:55 2003
From: gray at activebuddy.com (Gray Norton)
Date: Tue Oct 28 16:12:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message  
Message-ID: <004901c39d98$41cba200$a50aa8c0@GRAYDESKTOP>

Manuel, Kenny -
 
Thanks for your responses. Kenny, I am indeed using the 0.81 release - I
downloaded and installed Spambayes for the first time just last week.
Manuel, I will hold off on sharing a copy of one of these white-on-white
messages, as I now suspect that my real problem relates to a strange
sort of interaction between Spambayes and my Outlook rules - pending
further evidence, I have no reason to believe that these white-on-white
messages pose a serious problem for the core Spambayes functionality.
 
- Gray
From parz at shaw.ca  Tue Oct 28 16:15:42 2003
From: parz at shaw.ca (Parzival Herzog)
Date: Tue Oct 28 16:15:47 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem: conflict between Python versions using
	Mandrake 9.1
Message-ID: <200310281515.42107.parz@shaw.ca>

Hello, 

I am in tp process making a transition from using Windows to using Linux, so I 
am quite inexperienced in the ways of Linux...

I would like to install  Spambayes, but I noticed that the requirements 
suggested Python 2.3 would be better thanPython 2.2. Since Mandrake
9.1 comes with Python 2.2.?, and I am a Python programmer, I thougth
I would upgrade to Python 2.3. However, it seems that other software
on mandrake requires 2.2 to be installed. So I downloaded
built and installed Python 2.3.2. I  wondered how the two versions would
co-exist, and whether or not the Spambayes code would resolve the
Python 2.3 interpreter and libraries, so I took a peak at the setup.py
script, and the first line says:

#!/usr/bin/env python

It seems that neither the installed Mandrake, nor the new Python 2.3
installation configures a system-wide or user "PYTHON" variable, so I 
configured my .bash_profile with

PYTHON=`which python2.3`
export PYTHON

The result is that in a bash shell PYTHON is defined:

[parz@---- parz]$ env | grep PYTHON
PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.3
[parz@---- parz]$

So I ran setup.py as root, and I got the following failure:

[root@---- spambayes-1.0a6]# ./setup.py install
running install
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./setup.py", line 97, in ?
    classifiers = [
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup
    dist.run_commands()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in run_commands
    self.run_command(cmd)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in run_command
    cmd_obj.ensure_finalized()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
    self.finalize_options()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 273, in 
finalize_options
    (prefix, exec_prefix) = get_config_vars('prefix', 'exec_prefix')
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 427, in 
get_config_vars
    func()
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 332, in _init_posix
    raise DistutilsPlatformError(my_msg)
distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: unable 
to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile (No such file or directory)

So it seems that the distutils are retrieved from the Python 2.2 installation,
not the Python 2.3 installation. So how do I get around this?

Since I want to program using Python 2.3, and I can't apparently remove
Python 2.2 without also removing other Mandrake 9.1 installed software,
this problem affects me in a wider sense than just the ability to install
and use Spambayes. Surely it must be a common situation faced by
Python developers on Linux, with a straightforward solution.




From jsoled at netzero.net  Tue Oct 28 16:50:20 2003
From: jsoled at netzero.net (Jason Soled)
Date: Tue Oct 28 16:56:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook / forwarding spam after it gets moved to
	different folder
Message-ID: <006601c39d9d$b0619f80$0502a8c0@puppy1>

I want a way to make spambayes forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov, the place the
Federal Trade Commission asks us to send unsolicited commercial email. I
have not quite figured out an automated way to do this. I was hoping I could
get spambayes to either flag the messages or change their category. I could
then use the outlook rules wizard to forward the messages. Spambayes
unfortunately stops after moving the spam to an alternate folder. Since
Outlook has no way to change the flag or category solely based on what
folder something is in, I am at a dead end. Some help please?
From russ_foster at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 15:55:40 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:01:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Inbox not updating, no filtering
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 


I don't suppose you wrote down what the DLL error message was?

Have you done a full reboot (this is Windows, remember).

Even though SpamBayes didn't ask for a reboot. I have the same problems 
you mention below, even a LogOff and restart of Outlook didn't fix the 
problem. I had to do a full system (of my laptop) shutdown.

-r

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Med Dyer wrote:

> I have installed SpamBayes on a laptop running Outlook 2000 on an office
> Exchange server. I trained it using 200+ mails. There are two problems:


From fuerte at sci.fi  Tue Oct 28 17:07:19 2003
From: fuerte at sci.fi (Harri Pesonen)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:07:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py error
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F9EE897.6070903@sci.fi>

   Spambayes Web Interface: Home  > Save
*Saving... *


      *500 Server error*

*Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", line 453, in found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 477, in onSave
    self._doSave()

  File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", line 470, in _doSave
    classifier.store()

  File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 229, in store
    self._write_state_key()

  File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", line 233, in _write_state_key
    self.db[self.statekey] = (classifier.PICKLE_VERSION,

  File "E:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
    self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()

TypeError: object does not support item assignment

*

From russ_foster at comcast.net  Tue Oct 28 16:04:41 2003
From: russ_foster at comcast.net (Russ Foster)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:11:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] outlook / forwarding spam after it gets moved to
	different folder
In-Reply-To: <006601c39d9d$b0619f80$0502a8c0@puppy1>
Message-ID: 


This is probably a bad thing to do for a number of reasons. However, I'll 
keep this list short:

A message forwarded to uce@ftc.gov is useless. Outlook rewrites the header 
info and removes everthing useful to tracking down the true source of the 
spam.

To answer you question: SpamBayes doesn't do anything until after the 
Rules have been activated (if you have it set up that way).

What you might want to do is manually execute a rule on all messages in 
the "spam" folder that forwards them to some address, then deletes them 
from the folder or moves them to yet another folder. You just need to 
execute this message on a regular basis. 

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Jason Soled wrote:

> I want a way to make spambayes forward my spam to uce@ftc.gov, the place the
> Federal Trade Commission asks us to send unsolicited commercial email.


From Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com  Tue Oct 28 17:13:24 2003
From: Manuel.Dejonghe at cycos.com (Dejonghe, Manuel)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:13:43 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py error
Message-ID: <4398BA9CBC2C184CBAF0943F3310DEED6333AF@exch-red.alsdorf.cycos.com>


Hi,

when reporting bugs or requesting support (either by the list or a bug
tracker), try to add some version info about your spambayes (which
flavour (filter/outlook-addin, ...), version of release, about your
client and operating system), what you did to see that error and what
you expected.
Otherwise nobody is able to fix a bug or to help you and your question
may stay unanswered for a long time.

Manuel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Harri Pesonen [mailto:fuerte@sci.fi] 
> Sent: Dienstag, 28. Oktober 2003 23:07
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py error
> 
> 
>    Spambayes Web Interface: Home  > Save
> *Saving... *
> 
> 
>       *500 Server error*
> 
> *Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
>   File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\Dibbler.py", 
> line 453, in found_terminator
>     getattr(plugin, name)(**params)
> 
>   File 
> "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", 
> line 477, in onSave
>     self._doSave()
> 
>   File 
> "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\UserInterface.py", 
> line 470, in _doSave
>     classifier.store()
> 
>   File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", 
> line 229, in store
>     self._write_state_key()
> 
>   File "E:\Python23\lib\site-packages\spambayes\storage.py", 
> line 233, in _write_state_key
>     self.db[self.statekey] = (classifier.PICKLE_VERSION,
> 
>   File "E:\Python23\lib\shelve.py", line 130, in __setitem__
>     self.dict[key] = f.getvalue()
> 
> TypeError: object does not support item assignment
> 
> *
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From rmalayter at bai.org  Tue Oct 28 17:25:37 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:26:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115416@cliff.bai.org>

> From: Gray Norton [mailto:gray@stanfordalumni.org] 
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] Sample spam clues for white-on-white message

> ... I set 
> things up this way because I wasn't sure how Spambayes 
> interacted with Outlook rules from a timing standpoint and I 
> figured it couldn't hurt to check all of the folders.

I only have SB watch my inbox, and I turn on "enable background
filtering" from the advanced tab of the SB manager with a delay of 10
seconds. This allows all Outlook rules to run first, and then SB does
its work on what remains after waiting a few seconds.

> So, if I understand you correctly, the train-on-move options 
> displayed in the Spambayes Manager apply when messages are 
> moved by drag-and-drop or by Outlook rules, but NOT when 
> messages are moved by Spambayes' "delete as spam" and 
> "recover as ham" buttons (in which case training happens 
> regardless of the setting). Have I inferred correctly? If so, 
> then I was definitely mistaken in my original interpretation 
> of these options.

The train on move options do train when you move the message by
drag-and-drop. I'm not certain if they pick up Outlook rules moving
messages, since I use the settings I describe above to prevent that.

When you click on delete as spam or recover from spam, you train and
move the messages, as you would expect.

Regards,
	ryan

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 17:52:53 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:50:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_server.py error
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD189E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B117@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

>    Spambayes Web Interface: Home  
> > Save *Saving... *
[...]
> TypeError: object does not support item assignment

Please see FAQ 5.5:



=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 17:54:47 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:52:01 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem: conflict between Python versions
	usingMandrake 9.1
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1FBDE@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B118@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I would like to install  Spambayes, but I noticed that the 
> requirements 
> suggested Python 2.3 would be better thanPython 2.2.
[...]

This doesn't help with the problem, but so that you know - SpamBayes will
happily work with Python 2.2; the 2.3 recommendation is really for those
that don't already have Python - they might as well get the latest stable
version.

> Since I want to program using Python 2.3, and I can't 
> apparently remove Python 2.2 without also removing other 
> Mandrake 9.1 installed software, this problem affects me in a 
> wider sense than just the ability to install and use 
> Spambayes. Surely it must be a common situation faced by 
> Python developers on Linux, with a straightforward solution.

You might try comp.lang.python/python-list@python.org, which can probably
help more rapidly with general python questions than this list can.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 17:56:16 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 17:53:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] A request for a response - 3 attempt
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1FAAF@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B119@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> 2. We recommend a way to be able to allow these files and the 
> database (hopefully along with the program) to be exported 
> for saving (as Outlook provides for it's own program) as well 
> as somehow integrate it into the "Save Office Settings" wizard.

Please see FAQ 3.5:



=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 18:02:43 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:00:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sb_imapfilter.py Is there an option to leave
	mailmarked as new? 
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303D1F993@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B11A@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

[Tony Meyer]
> It tries, but only works in certain circumstances (if the server 
> supports "BODY.PEEK").  This can be fixed (at least partially), 
> though, and I will at some point, promise!

[Anthony Baxter]
> Is there an IMAP server that _doesn't_ implement BODY.PEEK? I 
> was under the impression that it was pretty much universal...

Opps, I misspoke.  I meant "RFC822.PEEK".  Changing it to *use* BODY.PEEK is
the *solution*.  I was close ;)

=Tony Meyer


From jens.rantil at telia.com  Tue Oct 28 19:01:08 2003
From: jens.rantil at telia.com (Jens Rantil)
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:02:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Replying mails
Message-ID: <20031029010108.7e055b7a.jens.rantil@telia.com>

Hi anti-spammies =)
I am planning the use the SMT?P-server. However there is one thing that makes me
concerned. Let's say I am sending a reply and my message is trained as ham
automagically - will the quoted text in the replied message be trained aswell?
In that case it's not good, because I am training all my incoming messages thrue
the web based interface.

Another thing, not at all that important but still...if it's like that that
SpamBayes ignores the quoted message it must be doing it by looking at the
">"-signs at the beginning of each row. Some people are using other signs than
">" so this should be configurable. Depending on your answer I will probably
add this as a feature request later on =)

I am thrilled to have found SpamBayes. I find it fascinating to work so well. I
almost have none erroneous classified messages anymore. Thanks for a great app!

Regards,

Jens Rantil, Sweden

From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Tue Oct 28 18:10:54 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Tue Oct 28 18:08:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Replying mails
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD18CB@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B11C@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I am planning the use the SMT?P-server. However there is one 
> thing that makes me concerned. Let's say I am sending a reply 
> and my message is trained as ham automagically - will the 
> quoted text in the replied message be trained aswell? In that 
> case it's not good, because I am training all my incoming 
> messages thrue the web based interface.

This is not how the smtp proxy works.  It doesn't train all your outgoing
messages as ham - in fact, it leaves almost all of your messages alone.
What it does is intercept mail to two special (configurable) addresses, and
trains any messages to those as either spam or ham (depending on the
address) - and *does not* deliver those.  Ideally, you need to send it
either exact copies of the messages that you receive (most mailers will not
do this), or forward messages with the spambayes id of the message (which is
included by default, if your mailer forwards *all* the original message's
headers), so that spambayes can lookup the message in the cache, and train
it from there.

It's a substitute/complement to the web training interface, not something
different for outgoing mail.

=Tony Meyer


From bernie at pobox.com  Tue Oct 28 19:09:35 2003
From: bernie at pobox.com (Bernard Payne)
Date: Tue Oct 28 19:07:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help configuring Outlook Express
Message-ID: <001f01c39db0$ef952600$30132352@nec>

Hi -

I can't figure out how to configure Spambayes to work with Outlook Express on a Windows 2000 system - the documentation for this aspect is totally confusing.  I managed to run the "python setup.py install" command ok, and went to the Python "lib" directory and moved the "email" library to "email_old".  But them I'm totall stumped at running the command "python scripts\sb_server.py -b" because it crashes with a winsock error.

I know there's no automatic install script for Outlook Express - only for Outlook - but can someone tell me a simple list of the essential steps I need to get this thing working - I'm really interested to try it!!

Thanks in advance...Bernie Payne
From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Oct 28 13:19:25 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Tue Oct 28 21:56:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Newbie Q: How do I classify a mbox without training?
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F9EB32D.2010102@videotron.ca>

Hi Nicke,

> Subject says nearly all. Checked the FAQ and searched the archive but 
> still don't have a clue. I suspect this question is too basic!
>
> I have a UNIX mbox file of mixed messages which I'd like to classify, 
> but without training on the sample.  How do I do this? The Web 
> interface only allows one message at a time. 

Can you be more explicit about what you want to do.
Do you want to add an header saying if this is spam of ham ?
Do you only want to know if an email in the mbox is spam of ham ?

I might have a script that can be interesting depending on what you want 
to do


Remi


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Oct 28 12:36:45 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Oct 29 00:31:32 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Anti -Virus
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <3F9EA92D.8020302@videotron.ca>

Keith Roos wrote:

>Gentlemen,
>
> Viruses are triggered by  opening an e-mail to read it. That's why it is
>standard practice to  set outlook not to  preview the inbox. 
>
>Sure would be slick if your program could determine Spam with out opening
>the e-mail and exposing the computer to viruses.
>

> Manuel's explanation looks fine to me.  SpamBayes opens and reads the
> contents of the message but never executes it, nor does it try to feed it to
> another program which will interpret it.  Any buffer overflow problems would
> have to be in the Python interpreter itself.  At the current time we are
> unaware of any.


What they (Manuel and Skip) means by opening it is not the same as what 
you mean by opening it.
Whe  we say "Spambayes open the messages". This means, it is opening the 
file on the disk inside spambayes to read the content.

Opening the file in Outlook mean (depending on the extension) starting 
an application then the application open the file on the disk.
So if the application is able to run script the script will be executed 
and virus like that .

But the way Spambayes open a file (i.e. don't launch an application just 
read the 0 and 1 from the disk) there should be no
problem with virus.

Remi


From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Tue Oct 28 12:59:13 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Wed Oct 29 03:50:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] new to spambayes
In-Reply-To: <20031028174240.GC20014@lebel.org>
References: <20031028174240.GC20014@lebel.org>
Message-ID: <3F9EAE71.9020606@videotron.ca>

Hi David,

>That being said, I trained SB with my inbox and my span folders.
>However, I didn't find a while to get a detailed output of how
>sb_filter.py came up with the fact that a particular piece of spam is
>spam.  Like, a detailled output of words and score given to those words.
>
With sb_filter it is harder to get that but it is possible
You can add the option
[Headers]
include_evidence=true
in the configuration file of spambayes. This file is usually name 
bayescustomize.ini and can be found in the spambayes directory
if it is not there start the sb_server.py  with the command line "-b" 
open your browser at http://localhost and change some options the file 
will be created after you save.


>
>Is that possible?
>
Yes but see above.


Remi


From gerrit at nl.linux.org  Wed Oct 29 07:44:21 2003
From: gerrit at nl.linux.org (Gerrit Holl)
Date: Wed Oct 29 07:44:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
Message-ID: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org>

Hi,

I don't know whether this idea is new, and I do not need it myself.
But my thought is that bayesian filtering may be used for other means
than only spam-ham-checking. As I Understand It, spambayes has a
database with spam and one with ham, compares each message new with the
messages in each database and calculates spam/ham probabilities this way.

Would it be possible to extend this to 3, 4, or 10 different message
databases? Suppose someone gets a lot of e-mail (for example, because
he is a famous politician or something like that). He may want to filter
it into several mailboxes, for example, based on what the e-mail is
about (foreign policy, education, taxes, etc). This is too complex
for simple regexp-rule-filtering. Could bayesian filtering be a solution?
If he would show 5 mails about each subject, could Bayesian filtering
do a good job in filtering all following emails according to those
databases?

It's just a thought...

yours,
Gerrit.

-- 
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two shekels.
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Kom in verzet tegen dit kabinet:
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From michael.nitabach at acedsl.com  Wed Oct 29 07:55:40 2003
From: michael.nitabach at acedsl.com (Michael N. Nitabach)
Date: Wed Oct 29 07:56:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:44:21 +0100
> From: Gerrit Holl 
> Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
>
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know whether this idea is new, and I do not need it myself.
> But my thought is that bayesian filtering may be used for other means
> than only spam-ham-checking. As I Understand It, spambayes has a
> database with spam and one with ham, compares each message 
> new with the
> messages in each database and calculates spam/ham 
> probabilities this way.
> 
> Would it be possible to extend this to 3, 4, or 10 different message
> databases?

http://popfile.sourceforge.net/

--
Mike Nitabach


From padgett3 at swbell.net  Wed Oct 29 09:22:15 2003
From: padgett3 at swbell.net (padgett3)
Date: Wed Oct 29 09:22:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing
Message-ID: 

After I have trained my desktop, can I export that status to my laptop?   Or
do I have to train my laptop independently and redundantly?


Bob Padgett
(512) 261-5738
padgett3@swbell.net

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From wsy at merl.com  Wed Oct 29 09:51:06 2003
From: wsy at merl.com (Bill Yerazunis)
Date: Wed Oct 29 09:51:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org> (message from Gerrit Holl on
	Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:44:21 +0100)
References: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org>
Message-ID: <200310291451.h9TEp6m23785@localhost.localdomain>


   From: Gerrit Holl 

   I don't know whether this idea is new, and I do not need it myself.
   But my thought is that bayesian filtering may be used for other means
   than only spam-ham-checking. As I Understand It, spambayes has a
   database with spam and one with ham, compares each message new with the
   messages in each database and calculates spam/ham probabilities this way.

   Would it be possible to extend this to 3, 4, or 10 different message
   databases? Suppose someone gets a lot of e-mail (for example, because
   he is a famous politician or something like that). He may want to filter
   it into several mailboxes, for example, based on what the e-mail is
   about (foreign policy, education, taxes, etc). This is too complex
   for simple regexp-rule-filtering. Could bayesian filtering be a solution?
   If he would show 5 mails about each subject, could Bayesian filtering
   do a good job in filtering all following emails according to those
   databases?

   It's just a thought...

Done-and-tested in CRM114.

You supply a set of statistics files, and which ones you want to consider in
each class.

CRM114 then tells you not just which class was the winner, but which
file _independently_ was the winner.

So you can do an N-way split.  This works embarassingly well.

I'm not using it personally, but it was a feature request and
the user made happy gushy noises after he tested it.

So, the general technique is quite useful.

   -Bill Yerazunis

From akjohn at mail.utexas.edu  Wed Oct 29 10:21:24 2003
From: akjohn at mail.utexas.edu (Abraham K. John)
Date: Wed Oct 29 10:21:30 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages get identified but not moved to Junk
Message-ID: <000001c39e30$50af9950$37e23e80@columbus>

The spam stays in my inbox and gets marked as 'read' but not moved to
inbox.

If I choose to see the spam probability is shows 100%.

Outlook xp, winxp.


From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Oct 29 11:05:36 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Oct 29 11:06:44 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111541C@cliff.bai.org>

If you're using the Outlook plugin, first set up and train on both
machines independently.

Then, if you want to use updates, just copy your c:\documents ands
settings\username\application data\spambayes\*.DB files from the desktop
machine to the same location on the laptop, overwriting the DB files on
the laptop. So long as SpamBayes is closed when you do this, it won't
know the difference, and will use the "updated" DB from your desktop.

I actually wrote a batch file that synchronizes the DB files on each
machine, copying the newest DB files to both machines. It then launches
Outlook, and waits for you to close outlook, then re-syncs the DB files.
It works well over my VPN connection form home, and does nothing when
the VPN is down.

Regards,
	-Ryan-

From mdyer at jabra.com  Wed Oct 29 11:05:49 2003
From: mdyer at jabra.com (Med Dyer)
Date: Wed Oct 29 11:26:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Inbox not updating, no filtering
Message-ID: 

I did not write down the DLL message, but I have done a full re-boot. I also
noticed something interesting yesterday -- SpamBayes works fine when I am
remote (i.e. not at the office). I use a VPN over DSL to connect to Exchange
when I am remote, and everything is fine. When I am in the office and
connected directly to the LAN, SpamBayes does not do anything. I am thinking
that mail is treated differently when I am directly on the LAN, perhaps mail
is not really downloaded to my laptop but is instead only "viewed" by my
laptop. Does anyone know what is different between the remote and local
Exchange?

Med Dyer

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Russ Foster [mailto:russ_foster@comcast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 12:56 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] Inbox not updating, no filtering
> 
> 
> 
> I don't suppose you wrote down what the DLL error message was?
> 
> Have you done a full reboot (this is Windows, remember).
> 
> Even though SpamBayes didn't ask for a reboot. I have the 
> same problems 
> you mention below, even a LogOff and restart of Outlook 
> didn't fix the 
> problem. I had to do a full system (of my laptop) shutdown.
> 
> -r
> 
> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Med Dyer wrote:
> 
> > I have installed SpamBayes on a laptop running Outlook 2000 
> on an office
> > Exchange server. I trained it using 200+ mails. There are 
> two problems:
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 


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From spambayes at whateley.com  Wed Oct 29 11:27:48 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Wed Oct 29 11:27:53 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Install problem: conflict between Python versions
	using Mandrake 9.1
In-Reply-To: <200310281515.42107.parz@shaw.ca>
References: <200310281515.42107.parz@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <200310290827.48324.spambayes@whateley.com>

The root problem is that Mandrake installs Python2.2 in "/usr/bin" and 
"/usr/lib" while the Python build installs it in "/usr/local/*"  You can fix 
it in a number of ways.  The simplest would be to change the PATH order in 
the shell you run spambayes.  I changed the python in "/usr/bin" into a link 
to "/usr/local/bin".

If you have trouble getting it to work with Python2.3 send me a private email 
and I'll try to help!

Brendon.

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 01:15 pm, Parzival Herzog wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am in tp process making a transition from using Windows to using Linux,
> so I am quite inexperienced in the ways of Linux...
>
> I would like to install  Spambayes, but I noticed that the requirements
> suggested Python 2.3 would be better thanPython 2.2. Since Mandrake
> 9.1 comes with Python 2.2.?, and I am a Python programmer, I thougth
> I would upgrade to Python 2.3. However, it seems that other software
> on mandrake requires 2.2 to be installed. So I downloaded
> built and installed Python 2.3.2. I  wondered how the two versions would
> co-exist, and whether or not the Spambayes code would resolve the
> Python 2.3 interpreter and libraries, so I took a peak at the setup.py
> script, and the first line says:
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> It seems that neither the installed Mandrake, nor the new Python 2.3
> installation configures a system-wide or user "PYTHON" variable, so I
> configured my .bash_profile with
>
> PYTHON=`which python2.3`
> export PYTHON
>
> The result is that in a bash shell PYTHON is defined:
>
> [parz@---- parz]$ env | grep PYTHON
> PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.3
> [parz@---- parz]$
>
> So I ran setup.py as root, and I got the following failure:
>
> [root@---- spambayes-1.0a6]# ./setup.py install
> running install
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "./setup.py", line 97, in ?
>     classifiers = [
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/core.py", line 138, in setup
>     dist.run_commands()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 893, in run_commands
>     self.run_command(cmd)
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/dist.py", line 912, in run_command
>     cmd_obj.ensure_finalized()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/cmd.py", line 112, in ensure_finalized
>     self.finalize_options()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/command/install.py", line 273, in
> finalize_options
>     (prefix, exec_prefix) = get_config_vars('prefix', 'exec_prefix')
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 427, in
> get_config_vars
>     func()
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.2/distutils/sysconfig.py", line 332, in
> _init_posix raise DistutilsPlatformError(my_msg)
> distutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation:
> unable to open /usr/lib/python2.2/config/Makefile (No such file or
> directory)
>
> So it seems that the distutils are retrieved from the Python 2.2
> installation, not the Python 2.3 installation. So how do I get around this?
>
> Since I want to program using Python 2.3, and I can't apparently remove
> Python 2.2 without also removing other Mandrake 9.1 installed software,
> this problem affects me in a wider sense than just the ability to install
> and use Spambayes. Surely it must be a common situation faced by
> Python developers on Linux, with a straightforward solution.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From spambayes at whateley.com  Wed Oct 29 11:29:33 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Wed Oct 29 11:29:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help configuring Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <001f01c39db0$ef952600$30132352@nec>
References: <001f01c39db0$ef952600$30132352@nec>
Message-ID: <200310290829.33075.spambayes@whateley.com>

If you still need help, email me privately (to keep list clutter down) and 
I'll see what I can do. 

Brendon.

On Tuesday 28 October 2003 04:09 pm, Bernard Payne wrote:
> Hi -
>
> I can't figure out how to configure Spambayes to work with Outlook Express
> on a Windows 2000 system - the documentation for this aspect is totally
> confusing.  I managed to run the "python setup.py install" command ok, and
> went to the Python "lib" directory and moved the "email" library to
> "email_old".  But them I'm totall stumped at running the command "python
> scripts\sb_server.py -b" because it crashes with a winsock error.
>
> I know there's no automatic install script for Outlook Express - only for
> Outlook - but can someone tell me a simple list of the essential steps I
> need to get this thing working - I'm really interested to try it!!
>
> Thanks in advance...Bernie Payne
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Oct 29 12:14:35 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Oct 29 12:14:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] sharing
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A01115423@cliff.bai.org>

> From: padgett3 [mailto:padgett3@swbell.net] 
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sharing

 
> I am using the Outlook plugin.   Am I correct that the plugin 
> trains on the
> messages it receives, and the result of the training winds up 
> in SpamBayes
> databases?   If so could I not export my Junk E-Mail folder 
> messages from my
> desktop to my laptop, and then train on my laptop against my desktop
> messages?    Also, is the purpose of keeping the Junk E-Mail messages
> around, to be available to re-train and re-create the 
> SpamBayes databases?

Actually, after initial training, the SpamBayes only trains on its
'mistakes'... Messages that you highlight an click "delete as spam" or
"recover from spam". It also trains when you move a message into your
spam folder by drag-and-drop, or move a message out of your spam folder.

SpamBayes does *not* train on all incoming spam and ham.

You need both spam and ham for training, not just spam.

The simplest option will be for you to have two separately trained
instances of Spambayes on each machine... This will work fairly well,
but if you use one machine a lot more than the other, the effectiveness
of one machine might be less. If you want to avoid this issue, you need
to copy your spam DB files around like I suggested earlier.

As for keeping spam around, you don't need to do that if you regulary
back up your SpamBayes DB files. That way if the SpamBayes DB files get
corrupted, you can restore from backup rather than rebuilding from the
source email messages.

Regards,
	Ryan


> 
> Bob Padgett
> (512) 261-5738
> padgett3@swbell.net
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan Malayter [mailto:rmalayter@bai.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 10:06 AM
> To: padgett3; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Spambayes] sharing
> 
> If you're using the Outlook plugin, first set up and train on both
> machines independently.
> 
> Then, if you want to use updates, just copy your c:\documents ands
> settings\username\application data\spambayes\*.DB files from 
> the desktop
> machine to the same location on the laptop, overwriting the 
> DB files on
> the laptop. So long as SpamBayes is closed when you do this, it won't
> know the difference, and will use the "updated" DB from your desktop.
> 
> I actually wrote a batch file that synchronizes the DB files on each
> machine, copying the newest DB files to both machines. It 
> then launches
> Outlook, and waits for you to close outlook, then re-syncs 
> the DB files.
> It works well over my VPN connection form home, and does nothing when
> the VPN is down.
> 
> Regards,
>         -Ryan-
> 
> 

From parz at shaw.ca  Wed Oct 29 12:32:00 2003
From: parz at shaw.ca (Parzival Herzog)
Date: Wed Oct 29 12:34:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Re: Install problem: conflict between Python versions
 using Mandrake 9.1
In-Reply-To: <200310290827.48324.spambayes@whateley.com>
References: <200310281515.42107.parz@shaw.ca>
	<200310290827.48324.spambayes@whateley.com>
Message-ID: <200310291132.00212.parz@shaw.ca>

Thank you Brendan,

I found that my problem was my Windows prejudice  (as I suspected) .
The "PYTHON" variable should have been lower case, a distinction that
does not matter in the Windows world, (and lower case environment variables
are not the norm in the unix world either!). So, by fixing that I got the 
install to work, ran and configured the proxy server, and things appear to
work as documented.

I am now trying to set up the server to start automatically, and I again
am  confronting my (Windows conditioned) prejudices. I can't seem to be able
to put a startup link in my .kde startup directory that will (a) establish the
working directory (so that sb_server.py finds its .ini file), and (b) run in a 
terminal window that doesn't disappear when the program ends with a
problem, so that I can read the python traceback or whatever is the
failure symptom. The properties dialog for an application link has no help 
information, and so far neither the KDE docs, nor Google has provided
any further useful info. I actually suspect that using the .kde startup
method is not a good solution, as I would want the sb_server to run, 
regardless of the desktop environment selected.


>
> If you have trouble getting it to work with Python2.3 send me a private
> email and I'll try to help!
> > configured my .bash_profile with

> >
> > PYTHON=`which python2.3`
> > export PYTHON
> >
> > The result is that in a bash shell PYTHON is defined:
> >
> > [parz@---- parz]$ env | grep PYTHON
> > PYTHON=/usr/local/bin/python2.3


From DanielB at mapleusa.com  Wed Oct 29 13:34:28 2003
From: DanielB at mapleusa.com (Daniel Bron)
Date: Wed Oct 29 13:34:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Keyboard shortcuts
Message-ID: 

Hello,

A neat feature to add to SpamBayes would be the option to bind keyboard
shortcuts to "Delete as Spam" or "Recover from Spam".  Alternatively, these
items could be added to messages' context menus, which are accessible via
the keyboard (with Shift+F10).

-Dan

From michael.jung at realobjects.com  Wed Oct 29 14:08:30 2003
From: michael.jung at realobjects.com (Michael Jung)
Date: Wed Oct 29 14:08:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Error message when starting Spambays
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I have used Spambays 0.81 for weeks without any problems. Now I am getting an error message as shown in the attachment. I already removed and reinstalled Spambays, but the problems still exists. Could somebody help me?

Kind regards from Germany,

Michael Jung 

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From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 29 15:09:24 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:09:37 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD1A84@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B11D@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I don't know whether this idea is new, and I do not need it myself. 
> But my thought is that bayesian filtering may be used for other means 
> than only spam-ham-checking. As I Understand It, spambayes has a 
> database with spam and one with ham, compares each message new with 
> the messages in each database and calculates spam/ham
> probabilities this way.
> 
> Would it be possible to extend this to 3, 4, or 10 
> different message databases?

In addition to the other packages mentioned, you can try out the n-way
script in the contrib directory, which will do this for you.  Running
without any arguments will give example usage.  There aren't any GUI tools
for it at the present time.

=Tony Meyer


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 29 15:13:25 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:10:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Help configuring Outlook Express
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD18FA@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B11E@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I can't figure out how to configure Spambayes to work with 
> Outlook Express on a Windows 2000 system - the documentation 
> for this aspect is totally confusing.

It would really help us if you were able to be specific about in what way
the documentation is confusing, and which documentation this is; this would
help us to fix it, so that it's better.

>  But them I'm totall stumped at running the command "python 
> scripts\sb_server.py -b" because it crashes with a winsock error.

What is the error, exactly?  Details help.  Is this an error that appear in
the command window you run the script from, or in a dialog box?  Were you
connected to the internet at the time?

> but can someone tell me a simple 
> list of the essential steps I need to get this thing working 
> - I'm really interested to try it!!

This doesn't sound like you need a list of steps, it sounds like you need
troubleshooting help, because there's a problem, somewhere.

=Tony Meyer


From jrussell at lynxconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 15:22:51 2003
From: jrussell at lynxconsulting.com (D. Jeffrey Russell)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:21:28 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook error with Spam Bayes
Message-ID: <000001c39e5a$6e6c9180$17010101@djr>

Hello.
I've encountered an error in Outlook with the latest version of Spam Bayes
(8.1?).
I've read the FAQ and troubleshooting guide and haven't found anything like
this!
I'm running Windows 2000, Office XP with all the latest patches.
I can install SpamBayes and the menu bar is fine.  It filters messages.  As
soon as I try to read a message, the ghost outline of the message appears,
but Outlook crashes and restarts.  The only way to continue is to remove
SpamBayes and read messages.  

I've removed SpamBayes, re-booted, downloaded again, and installed again.
Same issue.  Log files are clean.

Thanks for any help you can provide.
Jeff

D. Jeffrey Russell
Lynx Consulting Group
www.LynxConsulting.com
JRussell@LynxConsulting.com
410-275-2014 
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From Melanie_Stern at dofasco.ca  Wed Oct 29 15:23:00 2003
From: Melanie_Stern at dofasco.ca (Melanie_Stern@dofasco.ca)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:23:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] change location of data folder
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I'm helping other people use the Outlook plugin with windows 2000 and
exchange 2000. 

There are some users who share a networked lab and they don't always
work on the same machine. Is there a way to specify the location of the
..db files?
Ideally, i'd like to keep the files in the users' 'home' directories (a
mapped network drive) so that it doesn't matter which computer they're
using.

Is this possible? 

If it is, i've never used python so detailed instructions would be
appreciated.

Thanks a lot,
melanie


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 29 15:31:24 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:28:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] change location of data folder
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD1B94@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B11F@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I'm helping other people use the Outlook plugin with windows 
> 2000 and exchange 2000. 
> 
> There are some users who share a networked lab and they don't 
> always work on the same machine. Is there a way to specify 
> the location of the ..db files? Ideally, i'd like to keep the 
> files in the users' 'home' directories (a mapped network 
> drive) so that it doesn't matter which computer they're using.
> 
> Is this possible? 

Yes.  Take a look at the configuration help page, towards the bottom (look
for "data_directory").  There are detailed instructions there.  You can find
the configuration help page by going to the "About" page (from the help
submenu), and clicking on the "configuration" link at the top.

=Tony Meyer


From richnw22 at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 29 15:53:06 2003
From: richnw22 at worldnet.att.net (Richard Nabinger)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:53:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] missing a folder
Message-ID: 


Hi
 I am not sure how to explain htis problem.  I had spambayes up and running
and it was great.  Some how the second folder was deleted and now every time
I try to designate a email as spam it tells me you must configure the
folder.  I tried the default reconfiguration, the configuration wizard
uninstalled and downloaded anew and it still does the same thing.  I have
the junk suspect folder but not the other one.  The program says that it has
trained and is ready to go but it is missing a folder.

I am running winows 98 and microsoft outlook 2000.

Help.  it is great program when it is running but I can not get it there.  I
even tried creating the folder but it does not see it.

 email address is: richnw22@woldnet.att.net

Thank you
Dick Nabinger
richnw22@worldnet.att.net
---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Wed Oct 29 15:56:29 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Wed Oct 29 15:56:24 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] missing a folder
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: <082801c39e5f$21cf2090$0500a8c0@eden>

It sounds like you struck a bug of ours.  You should be able to re-configure
by using the SpamBayes Manager's "Filter" tab to define the folders you want
to watch.  Once you have re-configured this way, the wizard should work
again (not that you will need it once you have configured - that is the bug
:)

Mark.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org]On Behalf Of Richard Nabinger
> Sent: Thursday, 30 October 2003 7:53 AM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] missing a folder
>
>
>
> Hi
>  I am not sure how to explain htis problem.  I had spambayes
> up and running
> and it was great.  Some how the second folder was deleted and
> now every time
> I try to designate a email as spam it tells me you must configure the
> folder.  I tried the default reconfiguration, the configuration wizard
> uninstalled and downloaded anew and it still does the same
> thing.  I have
> the junk suspect folder but not the other one.  The program
> says that it has
> trained and is ready to go but it is missing a folder.
>
> I am running winows 98 and microsoft outlook 2000.
>
> Help.  it is great program when it is running but I can not
> get it there.  I
> even tried creating the folder but it does not see it.
>
>  email address is: richnw22@woldnet.att.net
>
> Thank you
> Dick Nabinger
> richnw22@worldnet.att.net
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 10/27/03
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From richnw22 at worldnet.att.net  Wed Oct 29 16:00:13 2003
From: richnw22 at worldnet.att.net (Richard Nabinger)
Date: Wed Oct 29 16:00:50 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] missing folder
Message-ID: 

Hi
 Me again I forgot to include the version of spambayes. It is .81 and I am
not sure what log files you mean the ones pasted below.

Dick Nabinger


Dick Nabinger
richnw22@worldnet.att.net
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From alan at mullen.demon.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 16:18:09 2003
From: alan at mullen.demon.co.uk (Alan Campbell)
Date: Wed Oct 29 16:18:19 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Cut off doesn appear to be working
Message-ID: <000001c39e62$277a0e80$6401a8c0@home.co.uk>

What on earth is going on with this ?

Spam probability: 6.05125412706e-006

*H* 0.999987897641 
*S* 1.49176004882e-010 
directory 0.0167286245353 
to:addr:andrea 0.0266272189349 
christmas 0.0348837209302 
win 0.0348837209302 
books 0.0652173913043 
cheer 0.0652173913043 
code. 0.0652173913043 
deliver 0.0652173913043 
november 0.0652173913043 
six 0.0652173913043 
600 0.0918367346939 
url:andrea 0.0918367346939 
vouchers 0.0918367346939 
hit 0.101224103126 
registration 0.115454380555 
service, 0.115454380555 
case 0.121146702852 
customer 0.134362515544 
named 0.134362515544 
quote 0.134362515544 
something 0.13565902051 
you, 0.140964957104 
tell 0.14611857016 
*** 0.155172413793 
customer. 0.155172413793 
details, 0.155172413793 
magical 0.155172413793 
quoting 0.155172413793 
window, 0.155172413793 
?100 0.155172413793 
look 0.159245771151 
draw 0.160728353961 
bit 0.163901980778 
forward 0.163901980778 
could 0.169749245946 
keep 0.171648754996 
when 0.171657473076 
before 0.177604840023 
it's 0.177604840023 
delivery 0.178430536305 
which 0.178698509753 
you're 0.187614804621 
find 0.193760665897 
p.s. 0.200109376554 
we're 0.200109376554 
there 0.203806963391 
orders 0.211747380619 
into 0.213479289362 
also 0.215684814479 
about 0.221489827478 
first 0.233467531499 
clicking 0.238244812488 
need 0.240492965842 
that 0.243379185031 
what 0.25213660934 
choose 0.252726190312 
come 0.252726190312 
information 0.254148340929 
better 0.256321882119 
charset:iso-8859-1 0.257396427142 
important 0.257399570368 
hearing 0.265558397272 
kids 0.265558397272 
placed 0.265558397272 
link 0.267561080922 
over 0.271690710876 
after 0.276061057298 
spend 0.276844883903 
make 0.277743125942 
one 0.280104245395 
next 0.287669447096 
every 0.293510183965 
terms 0.2945270128 
off 0.300177335963 
cancel 0.303009842547 
link: 0.303009842547 
ultimate 0.303009842547 
url:email 0.30679889731 
to:2**0 0.308801896391 
have 0.310566657542 
content-type:text/plain 0.314211313644 
everyone 0.315810487091 
place 0.315810487091 
these 0.316170825388 
not 0.31690290181 
necessary 0.321373257615 
will 0.33042182003 
with 0.335369948277 
reply-to:none 0.337560926744 
purchase 0.339273779241 
out 0.362437958168 
more 0.369334684198 
to:no real name:2**0 0.374915873333 
skip:p 10 0.375772500549 
soon. 0.3811853179 
the 0.382331589157 
giving 0.387192801826 
star 0.387192801826 
we'll 0.387192801826 
please 0.390394404764 
for 0.394878387599 
call 0.397109399214 
printing 0.397552646557 
true. 0.397552646557 
subject:!  0.634787238344 
away 0.63722315229 
to:addr:mullen.demon.co.uk 0.644302811564 
2003. 0.765198410113 
28th 0.844827586207 
flower 0.844827586207 
scene 0.844827586207 
subject:make 0.844827586207 
wine 0.844827586207 
applicable 0.908163265306 
orders. 0.908163265306 
virgin 0.908163265306 
winner 0.908163265306 
only. 0.96511627907 
subject:FREE 0.973372781065 
url:m 0.994296577947 

I thought that the score was supposed to be betweem 0 and .9 !

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Campbell [mailto:alan@mullen.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: 18 October 2003 20:23
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: FW: Cut off doesn appear to be working



Anyone have any ideas as to why this is happening ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Campbell 
Sent: 11 October 2003 18:51
To: 'spambayes@python.org'
Subject: Cut off doesn appear to be working



I have set my cut off as follows :-

Ham 0.2
Spam 0.8

I am still getting quite a few messages marked as unsure.  When I
checked the clues for one, it showed the following :-

Spam probability: 0.928987696313

*H* 0.0590561523317 
*S* 0.917031544958 
skip:t 30 0.155172413793 
subject:can 0.155172413793 
subject:get 0.155172413793 
header:Return-path:1 0.392454238181 
subject:unsure 0.643244289586 
subject:, 0.676647442122 
content-type:multipart/alternative 0.746914410458 
content-type:text/html 0.794961761144 
url:gif 0.840754651709 
subject:all 0.844827586207 
to:2**1 0.844827586207 
to:no real name:2**1 0.844827586207 
from:addr:yahoo.com 0.908163265306 
url:biz 0.969798657718 

Surly this should be marked as spam, or have I got the wrong end of the
stick ?

Alan


From adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com  Wed Oct 29 16:38:21 2003
From: adam.walker at rbwconsulting.com (Adam Walker)
Date: Wed Oct 29 16:38:35 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Cut off doesn appear to be working
In-Reply-To: <000001c39e62$277a0e80$6401a8c0@home.co.uk>
References: <000001c39e62$277a0e80$6401a8c0@home.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3FA0334D.80806@rbwconsulting.com>

That's another way of writing 0.0000060512....

Alan Campbell wrote:

>What on earth is going on with this ?
>
>Spam probability: 6.05125412706e-006
>
>  
>

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From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 29 16:40:34 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Wed Oct 29 16:40:58 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: Cut off doesn appear to be working
In-Reply-To: <000001c39e62$277a0e80$6401a8c0@home.co.uk>
Message-ID: 

Alan Campbell wrote:
> What on earth is going on with this ?
> 
> Spam probability: 6.05125412706e-006
> 
> *H* 0.999987897641
> *S* 1.49176004882e-010

The spam probabilities here are shown in exponent notation because they
are so small.  The number after the "e" is a power of ten to be
multiplied by the first part of the number.  Since the exponents are
negative, you can read this as "move the decimal point n places left".
The raw numbers would be:

Spam prob: 0.00000605125412706
       *S* 0.000000000149176004882

> I thought that the score was supposed to be betweem 0 and .9 !

Actually, the score is between 0.0 and 1.0.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From tameyer at ihug.co.nz  Wed Oct 29 17:28:17 2003
From: tameyer at ihug.co.nz (Tony Meyer)
Date: Wed Oct 29 17:28:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] change location of data folder
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F1303DD1BC7@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B122@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>

> I followed the instructions as best i could but it's not working.
> 
> The website says "This can only be set in the 'early' configuration
> files - see below." which i took to mean the c:\program 
> files\spambayes outlook addin\default_bayes_customize.ini

Right directory (either that one, or the 'standard' location), but wrong
name - the file needs to be called "default_configuration.ini" (there won't
be one there, you'll have to create it - Notepad would do).

> so i uninstalled the plugin, rebooted and reinstalled it.

That doesn't hurt, but just restarting Outlook should be enough.

> then, before i started outlook i added 
> 
> [General]
> data_directory: C:\New Folder
> 
> to the bottom of the .ini file

That looks fine.

You're not the first person to have troubles with this (and IIRC, the last
person had the name of the file wrong, too). Assuming that this option
doesn't get exposed via the GUI in the next release, can you suggest how the
doc could be reworded to make it easier to understand?

=Tony Meyer


From seant at iname.com  Wed Oct 29 17:24:49 2003
From: seant at iname.com (Sean True)
Date: Wed Oct 29 17:28:42 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora plugin -- Blatant,
	vaguely commercial offer (and now for something somewhat different).
In-Reply-To: <082801c39e5f$21cf2090$0500a8c0@eden>
Message-ID: <016501c39e6b$7b1a5b40$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>

"Well, sort of commercial..."

5 months or so ago I solicited beta testers for a productized version of the
Outlook plugin, code named
SpamAtBay. We got a number of helpful testers, and a few flames from those
who didn't think the offer
belonged on this list. On the whole, however, people thought it was
appropriate. 

SpamAtBay has morphed into InBoxer (it's still Spambayes at heart, thanks
Mark), and is doing quite well.

"And now for something somewhat the same."

We have done enough work to know we can do a tightly coupled Spambayes based
plugin for Eudora 6.0.
This would allow the _free_ version of Eudora 6.0 (no version lower) to have
a Spambayes engine
without needing a proxy or any other fancy configuration.

If it works well enough, and there is demand for it, we'll put it into the
market with the pretty much the 
same offer to this community that we made last time:

Anyone who is a contributor to SpamBayes gets a license to the shipping
product, for their own use, for the asking. That's anyone who is on the list
of developers,
or is a regular enough correspondent on this list to be making a
contribution to the life
of the community. (That last one is my judgement call). Anyone else who
reads this and
is in the first 200 to ask gets a beta version to help with testing, and a
license for the
shipping product just for helping with the beta process. Just send me email:

    seant at in-boxer.com

with your name and email address. We'll treat them carefully, and not share
them. Those in the SpamAtBay beta test program got a lot of mail from me,
but they seemed to enjoy it. Or at least tolerate it.

Warning (there is always fine print, right?): 

    * The current code is alpha. 
    * It's fairly solid. 
    * There are no docs, yet.
    * TCP Port 9213 must be available for use.
    * You can drop a trained db into it if you know where to 
      look, but there is no training code in the system yet.
    * If interest is too low, I may decide to not even release it for
testing (hint: let me know!)
    * Even if there _is_ enough interest on this list, we may not go further
into commercial release.
    * Although this project is based on Spambayes, the project is not open
source.
  
If you sign up for and help with beta testing, and we do not go further with
Eudora, I'll donate a license for InBoxer for Outlook. Even if you use
Eudora, one of your friends might use Outlook and could use the license as a
consolation prize.

-- Sean




From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Wed Oct 29 17:35:45 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Wed Oct 29 17:39:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes in a mail relay/gateway?
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44A8@mail1.primeline.com>

I just skimmed through the 9,000 messages in the archive, and I can't find
much about this, so I thought I'd see if I can find anything out from people
here.  I also checked the website, so please give this newbie a break. :)

My boss is asking me to give him ideas for spam blockage on a mail gateway
to our Exchange box.  I'm thinking it can probably just run on some kind of
SMTP gateway, but the only catch is that it probably will need to be
Windows-based.

So to make it really simple, all we need is a server that will take mail in,
filter it, and pass anything that doesn't get filtered out on to our
Exchange server, which we will then log into.

This is mainly so that we don't have to install SpamBayes on every Outlook
client we have, and keep it updated.

Is this possible?  Can we do this using current tools?  Are there
instructions somewhere that will explain to me how I can do it, log into the
spam filter to double-check messages (or even better, forward them to a
mailbox of some kind), and maintain it?

Thanks. :) 

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
andrewc@primeworld.com

From rmalayter at bai.org  Wed Oct 29 18:46:49 2003
From: rmalayter at bai.org (Ryan Malayter)
Date: Wed Oct 29 18:46:55 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes in a mail relay/gateway?
Message-ID: <792DE28E91F6EA42B4663AE761C41C2A0111542B@cliff.bai.org>

If you want a gateway-level bayesian spam filter, check out
http://assp.sourceforge.net


> -----Original Message-----
> From: spambayes-bounces@python.org 
> [mailto:spambayes-bounces@python.org] On Behalf Of Andrew J. 
> Coutermarsh
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:36 PM
> To: 'spambayes@python.org'
> Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes in a mail relay/gateway?
> 
> 
> I just skimmed through the 9,000 messages in the archive, and 
> I can't find
> much about this, so I thought I'd see if I can find anything 
> out from people
> here.  I also checked the website, so please give this newbie 
> a break. :)
> 
> My boss is asking me to give him ideas for spam blockage on a 
> mail gateway
> to our Exchange box.  I'm thinking it can probably just run 
> on some kind of
> SMTP gateway, but the only catch is that it probably will need to be
> Windows-based.
> 
> So to make it really simple, all we need is a server that 
> will take mail in,
> filter it, and pass anything that doesn't get filtered out on to our
> Exchange server, which we will then log into.
> 
> This is mainly so that we don't have to install SpamBayes on 
> every Outlook
> client we have, and keep it updated.
> 
> Is this possible?  Can we do this using current tools?  Are there
> instructions somewhere that will explain to me how I can do 
> it, log into the
> spam filter to double-check messages (or even better, forward 
> them to a
> mailbox of some kind), and maintain it?
> 
> Thanks. :) 
> 
> Andrew J. Coutermarsh
> Prime Resources Corp.
> andrewc@primeworld.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From skip at pobox.com  Wed Oct 29 20:26:54 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Wed Oct 29 23:02:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Eudora plugin -- Blatant,
	vaguely commercial offer (and now for something somewhat different).
In-Reply-To: <016501c39e6b$7b1a5b40$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>
References: <082801c39e5f$21cf2090$0500a8c0@eden>
	<016501c39e6b$7b1a5b40$0201a8c0@swapwizard.com>
Message-ID: <16288.26846.913286.832970@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Sean> We have done enough work to know we can do a tightly coupled
    Sean> Spambayes based plugin for Eudora 6.0.  This would allow the
    Sean> _free_ version of Eudora 6.0 (no version lower) to have a
    Sean> Spambayes engine without needing a proxy or any other fancy
    Sean> configuration.

What platform(s)?

Skip

From icri at ironcasting.org  Thu Oct 30 08:23:13 2003
From: icri at ironcasting.org (ICRI)
Date: Thu Oct 30 08:23:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Can't enable filtering.
Message-ID: <000a01c39ee8$f9571160$0a0d10ac@Susan>

Read the troubleshooting guide but couldn't find an answer.

We are running the binary version and when I installed on computer and
trained, I set the filter parameters, but the filtering box is grayed out.

Do I need to delete the log and start all over again?  I have the filter
parameters set up and even had it filter which it did but I can't start
automatic filtering.

Any ideas?

Susan J. Lambert
Manager, Member Services
Iron Casting Research Institute
Phone: 614-275-4201
E-mail: icri@ironcasting.org
Web address: www.ironcasting.org

From sfundarek at rogers.com  Thu Oct 30 11:53:59 2003
From: sfundarek at rogers.com (Steven Fundarek)
Date: Thu Oct 30 11:54:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] One suggestion
Message-ID: <000901c39f06$6a710dc0$6601a8c0@kelly>

Outstanding product!
It's running a perfect game so far.
I have one complaint though - even though I set the flag to mark spam as
read, it doesn't remove the Outlook 2000 email flag which appears in the
system tray, even if that was the only incoming message.  As a result, I
have to look through all my folders to see what's new.
As a result, I've turned that flag off, as a work around.
-steven

From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 30 12:05:49 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Thu Oct 30 12:06:10 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] One suggestion
In-Reply-To: <000901c39f06$6a710dc0$6601a8c0@kelly>
Message-ID: 

Steven Fundarek wrote:
> Outstanding product!
> It's running a perfect game so far.
> I have one complaint though - even though I set the flag to mark spam
> as read, it doesn't remove the Outlook 2000 email flag which appears
> in the system tray, even if that was the only incoming message.  As a
> result, I have to look through all my folders to see what's new.
> As a result, I've turned that flag off, as a work around.

This has been brought up quite a few times, and I think most of the
developers would love to see this feature as well.  Unfortunately,
Outlook makes this extremely difficult to accomplish.  See the following
item in the FAQ (long url will probably wrap):

http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#how-can-i-get-rid-of-the-envel
ope-tray-icon-for-spam

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From jmgreen at vt.edu  Thu Oct 30 12:08:53 2003
From: jmgreen at vt.edu (Green, Julie)
Date: Thu Oct 30 12:08:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Custom Menu disappears from Toolbar
Message-ID: 

Ever since I installed SpamBayes Outlook Plug in, my custom menu (a
quicklist of email addresses) disappears after closing Outlook.  In
other words, I create the menu, it works fine, I close Outlook, and when
I reopen it the menu is no longer there.  It was working fine before I
installed SpamBayes.  I searched Microsoft's Knowledge Base, but didn't
find anything there about any of the updates causing this issue.  Could
it be the SpamBayes?

 

Operating System:  Windows 2000 sp4

Outlook version: Outlook 2002 with all updates installed

SpamBayes version: 8.1

 

Thanks!

 

Julie Green

From stephen at theboulets.net  Thu Oct 30 13:51:31 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (stephen)
Date: Thu Oct 30 13:54:08 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Two sb_server processes?
Message-ID: <20031030185131.M71758@theboulets.net>

When I launch sb_server on linux, I see one "sb_server.py" process. After a
while, I notice that there are two processes. Should this be happening?

_________
Stephen

From spambayes at whateley.com  Thu Oct 30 14:08:57 2003
From: spambayes at whateley.com (Brendon)
Date: Thu Oct 30 14:09:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Two sb_server processes?
In-Reply-To: <20031030185131.M71758@theboulets.net>
References: <20031030185131.M71758@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: <200310301108.57616.spambayes@whateley.com>

Stephen,

Are you sure that it's not just two threads in the same process?  Linux shows 
a separate entry for each thread in a process... have a look at some of your 
other programs. 

Brendon.

On Thursday 30 October 2003 10:51 am, stephen wrote:
> When I launch sb_server on linux, I see one "sb_server.py" process. After a
> while, I notice that there are two processes. Should this be happening?
>
> _________
> Stephen
>
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html


From hank at marinar.com  Thu Oct 30 15:02:51 2003
From: hank at marinar.com (hank@marinar.com)
Date: Thu Oct 30 15:03:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] bayes evasion
Message-ID: <20031030200251.GZ12716@hank.marinar.com>

I'm starting to notice a trickle of spam coming in with advertisements at
the beginning, and some other type of large message appended to the end.
In one case, the large text at the end was a review of the movie, The
Godfather.  While the Plan For Spam FAQ mentions how random words are
handled, it doesn't mention how these types of emails affect the system
if learned from as Spam.  If learned from, how would the classifier react
when the same review comes into the inbox without the advertisement?
Will properly training the spam and ham as such handle this issue?
Will training from these types of messages "pollute" the database,
and thereby make it less effective?

Thank you for any comments,
hank

From richie at entrian.com  Thu Oct 30 15:11:49 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Thu Oct 30 15:11:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Two sb_server processes?
In-Reply-To: <20031030185131.M71758@theboulets.net>
References: <20031030185131.M71758@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: 

Hi Stephen,

> When I launch sb_server on linux, I see one "sb_server.py" process. After a
> while, I notice that there are two processes. Should this be happening?

Yes, I believe so.  We start another thread to do some housekeeping, and
AFAIK threads show up as separate processes on (some versions of?) Linux.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From janne.sinkkonen at hut.fi  Thu Oct 30 15:31:27 2003
From: janne.sinkkonen at hut.fi (Janne Sinkkonen)
Date: Thu Oct 30 15:31:36 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: <200310291451.h9TEp6m23785@localhost.localdomain>
References: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org>
	<200310291451.h9TEp6m23785@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200310302231.27218.janne.sinkkonen@hut.fi>

On Wednesday 29 October 2003 16:51, Bill Yerazunis wrote:

> So you can do an N-way split.  This works embarassingly well.

I hacked the nway.py script a bit, and use spambayes to predict which
e-mails I'm going to reply. This works well enough in the sense that
spambayes is mostly able to separate interesting non-spams from
less interesting. (I have two spambayes filters, one for spam and
one for this little experiment.)

-- 
Janne



From scottjung at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 16:01:27 2003
From: scottjung at yahoo.com (Scott D. Jung)
Date: Thu Oct 30 16:01:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] One address/ folder not working?
Message-ID: 

I have installed SpamBayes and it has been chugging away for a couple of
weeks now.
I have 5 accounts that I get email to in Outlook.  My typical way of working
with email was to create a folder for 4 of the accounts and move the email
into those folders (one stays in the inbox).

SpamBayes works GREAT, on all but one of those accounts/folders.  It
consistently has spam in it.  I mean of the 30 emails I might get to it in
one day, 25 are spam and they are all sitting in the folder.  I tried
removing the folder from SpamBayes "list" and then re-adding it back, with
no better results.

Help?
Scott
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From skip at pobox.com  Thu Oct 30 16:39:32 2003
From: skip at pobox.com (Skip Montanaro)
Date: Thu Oct 30 16:41:25 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: <200310302231.27218.janne.sinkkonen@hut.fi>
References: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org>
	<200310291451.h9TEp6m23785@localhost.localdomain>
	<200310302231.27218.janne.sinkkonen@hut.fi>
Message-ID: <16289.34068.613134.98108@montanaro.dyndns.org>


    Janne> I hacked the nway.py script a bit...

Anything of general usefulness?  If so, could you post a patch on SF?

Skip

From dave at redradish.net  Thu Oct 30 18:05:46 2003
From: dave at redradish.net (David Barrett)
Date: Thu Oct 30 18:05:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Security Dialogs
Message-ID: <046701c39f3a$5a6c1c60$9600a8c0@redradish.local>

Hi all,
 
I am hoping someone can answer a query that has been bugging me for the
longest time about Outlook.  Outlook 2000 and above have new security
measures that pop up a dialog box when code tries to access
email/addresses.  I have written a VB COM addin (basically a replacement
rules manager for Outlook that has none of the limits of the Microsoft
version), but cannot get around the security dialog.  I have recently
used and tested Spambayes, and no such warning is displayed... could
someone tell me how this is done?!  It it something about the way Python
interfaces with Outlook, or is there simply a way to authorise a COM
add-in to have access (I did wonder about digitally signed code, but
don't have a digital signature to test this).
 
Any ideas/solutions thankfully received!
 
Dave Barrett
From willytc1066 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 30 18:27:03 2003
From: willytc1066 at yahoo.com (Bill May)
Date: Thu Oct 30 18:27:07 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Downloadable Version of FAQ
Message-ID: <20031030232703.83199.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com>

The FAQ's spread beyond my monitor so reading online
is a pain in the ...  Do you have a PDF or txt or doc
file that we can download?

Bill May
willytc1066@yahoo.com


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
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From rgross at nccredit.com  Thu Oct 30 18:44:11 2003
From: rgross at nccredit.com (Ron Gross)
Date: Thu Oct 30 18:44:41 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Cannot install Outlook addin
Message-ID: <000001c39f3f$bb5fa730$0901000a@ron>

When I run the addin installer I get a message at the end that it cannot
register the DLL /OCX: Dll register server failed  on the file
spambayes_addin.dll. If I hit abort it rolls back the install, if I hit
ignore it finishes but Spambayes is not installed. I am trying to
install the latest version on Outlook for Windows XP. I did this for my
machine at home with an identical version of Outlook and Windows and it
installed just fine. Any ideas what is up?
 
If possible, please copy replies to rgrossjr@mac.com.
 
Thanks,
-Ron-
From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Oct 30 19:14:55 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Oct 30 19:14:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Security Dialogs
In-Reply-To: <046701c39f3a$5a6c1c60$9600a8c0@redradish.local>
Message-ID: <0bd401c39f44$037e57b0$0500a8c0@eden>


> I am hoping someone can answer a query that has been bugging
> me for the
> longest time about Outlook.  Outlook 2000 and above have new security
> measures that pop up a dialog box when code tries to access
> email/addresses.  I have written a VB COM addin (basically a
> replacement
> rules manager for Outlook that has none of the limits of the Microsoft
> version), but cannot get around the security dialog.  I have recently
> used and tested Spambayes, and no such warning is displayed... could
> someone tell me how this is done?!  It it something about the
> way Python
> interfaces with Outlook, or is there simply a way to authorise a COM
> add-in to have access (I did wonder about digitally signed code, but
> don't have a digital signature to test this).
>
> Any ideas/solutions thankfully received!

This is because Python uses the low-level MAPI interfaces, which do not have
this restriction.  Outlook addins in VB are a PITA.  I've done one, and lots
of things get in the way.  There are *lots* of things that would have
prevented SpamBayes from being written in VB - this is just a minor one ;)
Mixing VB and Python would be another option.

If you want to avoid embedding Python in your addin, check out a product
called "Outlook Redemption" - it gives VB a technique for avoiding the
dialog.  I've used this successfully in aforementioned VB addin.

Mark.


From mhammond at skippinet.com.au  Thu Oct 30 19:20:50 2003
From: mhammond at skippinet.com.au (Mark Hammond)
Date: Thu Oct 30 19:20:46 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] change location of data folder
In-Reply-To: <1ED4ECF91CDED24C8D012BCF2B034F130212B122@its-xchg4.massey.ac.nz>
Message-ID: <0bda01c39f44$d88652a0$0500a8c0@eden>

> You're not the first person to have troubles with this (and
> IIRC, the last
> person had the name of the file wrong, too). Assuming that this option
> doesn't get exposed via the GUI in the next release, can you
> suggest how the
> doc could be reworded to make it easier to understand?

Actually, another user pointed out that we could *remove*
default_bayes_customize.ini from the Program Files directory completely
(simply by renaming it to "default_bayes_customize.default" or some such).
This would be likely to avoid that particular confusion.

We would still be left with 2 .INI files in the user 'data' directory, but
by adding better comments to the top of default_bayes_customize, we could do
alot to reduce that confusion too.

I opened a bug on this, so it should be fixed for the next release.
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=833439&group_id=61
702&atid=498103

Thanks,

Mark.


From tmj at juntunen.us  Thu Oct 30 19:29:53 2003
From: tmj at juntunen.us (Thomas Juntunen)
Date: Thu Oct 30 19:29:51 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes in a mail relay/gateway?
In-Reply-To: 
Message-ID: 

On 10/30/2003, "Andrew J. Coutermarsh" imposed order on a stream of electrons to say:

>I just skimmed through the 9,000 messages in the archive, and I can't find
>much about this, so I thought I'd see if I can find anything out from people
>here.  I also checked the website, so please give this newbie a break. :)

Did you happen to find this bit in the FAQ?
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#are-there-plans-to-develop-a-server-side-spambayes-solution

>My boss is asking me to give him ideas for spam blockage on a mail gateway
>to our Exchange box.  I'm thinking it can probably just run on some kind of
>SMTP gateway, but the only catch is that it probably will need to be
>Windows-based.
>
>So to make it really simple, all we need is a server that will take mail in,
>filter it, and pass anything that doesn't get filtered out on to our
>Exchange server, which we will then log into.
>
>This is mainly so that we don't have to install SpamBayes on every Outlook
>client we have, and keep it updated.
>
>Is this possible?  Can we do this using current tools?  Are there
>instructions somewhere that will explain to me how I can do it, log into the
>spam filter to double-check messages (or even better, forward them to a
>mailbox of some kind), and maintain it?

That particular FAQ says this:
"The problem with a server-side solution is that everyone has a different idea of what is spam - that's the whole strength of the bayesian-style filtering concept. If you are certain that all of your users would agree on what is spam and what is not, then this might work for you, but otherwise you really have to have individual databases for each user."

And it provides a link to what others have done with server-side SpamBayes.

HTH,
Thomas Juntunen

From JJ708 at bellsouth.net  Thu Oct 30 19:59:19 2003
From: JJ708 at bellsouth.net (John Jones)
Date: Thu Oct 30 19:59:33 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Unable to install on Outlook 2002
Message-ID: <000001c39f4a$3af2e8e0$56a2d6d1@IBMR32>

 
When I attempt to install release 0.81 on Outlook 2002 (on Windows XP) I
receive the following error message.
 
Unable to register DLL/OCX:  Dll Register server failed; code
0x00000000.
 
Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
Thanks 
 
John Jones
JJ708@bellsouth.net
From Jeff at ModestSystems.com  Thu Oct 30 20:05:39 2003
From: Jeff at ModestSystems.com (Jeff Jansen)
Date: Thu Oct 30 20:08:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Tip: Archive Spam for Retraining
Message-ID: 

The SpamBayes FAQ says that some people keep their Spam folder filled with
hundreds or thousands of messages so that, if the SpamBayes database becomes
corrupt, they can use those messages to retrain SpamBayes and rebuild the
database. What I do instead is set my Spam folder to Auto-archive every week
into a file named archive_SPAM.pst. If the SB database gets corrupted, I
would just import that PST file back into Outlook temporarily. After
retraining SB, I could then just delete the imported messages. Any new spam
is then appended to the archive_SPAM.pst file when the next auto-archive
time arrives.
Jeff Jansen | Portland, Oregon | USA
From stephen at theboulets.net  Thu Oct 30 21:14:31 2003
From: stephen at theboulets.net (Stephen Boulet)
Date: Thu Oct 30 21:14:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham
Message-ID: <200310302014.31327.stephen@theboulets.net>

I tried training some mbox ham, but I get this error. Any ideas what could be 
causing it?

Using spambayes 1.0a6 on linux with python 2.2.3.

-- Stephen

500 Server error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/Dibbler.py", line 453, in 
found_terminator
    getattr(plugin, name)(**params)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/UserInterface.py", line 
388, in onTrain
    classifier.learn(tokens, isSpam)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 211, 
in learn
    self._add_msg(wordstream, is_spam)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/classifier.py", line 337, 
in _add_msg
    record = self._wordinfoget(word)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/storage.py", line 250, in 
_wordinfoget
    r = self.db.get(word)

  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 65, in get
    if self.dict.has_key(key):

AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'has_key'


From dave at davem.com  Thu Oct 30 23:00:23 2003
From: dave at davem.com (Dave Mathiesen)
Date: Thu Oct 30 23:00:27 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help
	with making a snazzy/user-friendly website
Message-ID: <00bf01c39f63$82857970$6600a8c0@Neo>

I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help with making a
snazzy/user-friendly website

	Brochure, Information, Web-presence, are all keywords that
describe what I can help you with.

My formal education is University of Washington: Psychology Degree
(which in a round-about way means I can help with good user interface
"stuff").


This beautiful tool has just saved me in so many ways -- THANK YOU!

I almost feel I can freely distribute my email address (almost) heehee.

DaveM
From richie at entrian.com  Fri Oct 31 02:31:07 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Fri Oct 31 02:31:17 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Downloadable Version of FAQ
In-Reply-To: <20031030232703.83199.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20031030232703.83199.qmail@web40802.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4p34qv46gcitifrno8il2gbnt0qmot0urk@4ax.com>

Hi Bill,

> The FAQ's spread beyond my monitor so reading online
> is a pain in the ...  Do you have a PDF or txt or doc
> file that we can download?

The text source of the FAQ is here:

http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/spambayes/website/faq.txt?rev=HEAD&content-type=text/plain

Oh the irony of giving you a URL that goes beyond the end of your monitor!
8-)  Here's a shorter link:

http://tinyurl.com/t46l

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From Janne.Sinkkonen at hut.fi  Fri Oct 31 03:07:50 2003
From: Janne.Sinkkonen at hut.fi (Janne Sinkkonen)
Date: Fri Oct 31 03:08:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] extending bayesian filtering
In-Reply-To: <16289.34068.613134.98108@montanaro.dyndns.org>
References: <20031029124421.GA3283@nl.linux.org>
	<200310291451.h9TEp6m23785@localhost.localdomain>
	<200310302231.27218.janne.sinkkonen@hut.fi>
	<16289.34068.613134.98108@montanaro.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <2b4qxp6d9l.fsf@itl-pc4.hut.fi>

Skip Montanaro  writes:

>     Janne> I hacked the nway.py script a bit...
> 
> Anything of general usefulness?  If so, could you post a patch on SF?

Basically I just reduced the nway.py script back to two-way again,
with forced choice (split at p=0.5) and a custom score
header. Unpolished and not generally useful, for example because there
is no corresponding custom "trained" header for this filter. (I
retrain by copying messages into separate directories by shell
scripts, and then train from scratch.)

But the idea of training by the answered status seems to be at least
somewhat useful.

It would be nice if several filters, n-way or two-way, could be
configured in an integrated fashion. But as I look at the traffic of
the spambayes list with all the Windows-specific problems etc., I
perfectly understand if this kind of feature is not very high on the
priority list. :) And currently I'm too busy and lazy to do it myself.

-- 
Janne

From gary at sistechinc.com  Fri Oct 31 03:31:30 2003
From: gary at sistechinc.com (Gary Sherwood)
Date: Fri Oct 31 03:32:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] kudos
Message-ID: <000801c39f89$63276d10$0b01a8c0@sistechinc.anc>

I found your program in the new issue of PC WORLD mag.  He spoke very highly of your program so I thought I would test it out.  Anyhow, opensource RULES! Thanks!

~GS~
From davidc at CSL-UK.com  Fri Oct 31 05:15:24 2003
From: davidc at CSL-UK.com (David Cleaves)
Date: Fri Oct 31 05:15:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I had a problem installing SpamBayes, a dll would not register. I started again and it seemed to load fine. I now get the following message when I attempt to delete a spam from my inbox:

YOU MUST ENABLE sPAMBAYES BEFORE YOU CAN DELETE AS SPAM

Also is it possible to copy a file from one computer to another so that the second machine understands what the first has learnt regarding what is/isn't spam??

Regards

David Cleaves

From rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV  Fri Oct 31 07:32:00 2003
From: rcoe at CambridgeMA.GOV (Coe, Bob)
Date: Fri Oct 31 07:32:05 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] RE: Outlook Tip: Archive Spam for Retraining
Message-ID: 

If you ever have to retrain from the archive file, I'd suggest that you copy the relevant folder to your main .pst file first. My experience has been that it can be very difficult to persuade Spambayes to let go of a .pst file it thinks it needs. If it remembers that it once used your archive .pst file for training, it may try to open it every time you open Outlook. And if it doesn't find it, you may see other things in Outlook stop working correctly. The interaction between Outlook and the Spambayes plugin is apparently complex; It's a good idea not to tempt fate.

Bob

MIS Department, City of Cambridge
831 Massachusetts Ave, Cambridge MA 02139  ?  617-349-4217  ?  fax 617-349-6165

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Jansen [mailto:Jeff@ModestSystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:06 PM
> To: spambayes@python.org
> Subject: [Spambayes] Outlook Tip: Archive Spam for Retraining
> 
> 
> The SpamBayes FAQ says that some people keep their Spam folder filled with
> hundreds or thousands of messages so that, if the SpamBayes database becomes
> corrupt, they can use those messages to retrain SpamBayes and rebuild the
> database. What I do instead is set my Spam folder to Auto-archive every week
> into a file named archive_SPAM.pst. If the SB database gets corrupted, I
> would just import that PST file back into Outlook temporarily. After
> retraining SB, I could then just delete the imported messages. Any new spam
> is then appended to the archive_SPAM.pst file when the next auto-archive
> time arrives.
> Jeff Jansen | Portland, Oregon | USA

From alan at vernicktechnology.com  Fri Oct 31 07:38:52 2003
From: alan at vernicktechnology.com (Alan Vernick)
Date: Fri Oct 31 07:39:12 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using Outlook rules with Spambyas
Message-ID: <001101c39fab$f4066670$0501a8c0@VTIPortable>

Hello,

I really like Spambyas, but have found a problem in the way my Outlook is
setup.

I have the following configuration:
Windows XP Professional
Outlook 2002 SP-1
Spambyas binary version 0.81

I am using the Outlook Rules Wizard to move mail from different email
accounts into their own folders.
This is the format:
"Apply this rule after the message arrives through the MSN Roadrunner
account
Move it to the Inbox MSN folder"

The problem is that after Spambyas detects it as spam, this rule moves it
again to the Inbox MSN folder and Spambyas trains it as a good message.

Is there a way around this?

Thank you,

Alan Vernick



From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 31 09:11:42 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Oct 31 09:12:09 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using Outlook rules with Spambyas
In-Reply-To: <001101c39fab$f4066670$0501a8c0@VTIPortable>
Message-ID: 

Alan Vernick wrote:
> I am using the Outlook Rules Wizard to move mail from different email
> accounts into their own folders.
> This is the format:
> "Apply this rule after the message arrives through the MSN Roadrunner
> account
> Move it to the Inbox MSN folder"
> 
> The problem is that after Spambyas detects it as spam, this rule
> moves it again to the Inbox MSN folder and Spambyas trains it as a
> good message. 
> 
> Is there a way around this?

You might try going to the Advanced tab in SpamBayes Manager and turning
on the "Enable background filtering" option.  The purpose of this option
is to allow Outlook Rules time complete before SpamBayes checks the
messages.  The only noticeable side-effect to this is that it will take
a little longer for spam messages to disappear from your inboxes.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From AndrewC at primeworld.com  Fri Oct 31 09:15:23 2003
From: AndrewC at primeworld.com (Andrew J. Coutermarsh)
Date: Fri Oct 31 09:19:16 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Using SpamBayes in a mail relay/gateway?
Message-ID: <7F976E05D3F5AB4ABFC9334D182F7B511E44B3@mail1.primeline.com>

> Did you happen to find this bit in the FAQ?
>
http://spambayes.sourceforge.net/faq.html#are-there-plans-to-develop-a-serve
r-side-spambayes-solution

Ahh, no I didn't; I must have missed that while scanning through the FAQ.
Thanks a bunch!

Andrew J. Coutermarsh
Prime Resources Corp.
I.S. Department
Ph: (203) 331-9100 x3236
Fx: (203) 551-3324
andrewc@primeworld.com

From carolyn at noracom.com  Fri Oct 31 10:44:56 2003
From: carolyn at noracom.com (Carolyn Dawdy Mounce)
Date: Fri Oct 31 10:45:00 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Link to Spambayes
Message-ID: <006201c39fc5$f27fa090$2801a8c0@DDM04H11>

Can I put a link to your web site on my site?

I have a collection of links that I think are helpful to my clients.

Carolyn Dawdy
Noracom
281-550-8687
www.noracom.com




From bwalling at coastdental.com  Fri Oct 31 10:54:17 2003
From: bwalling at coastdental.com (Benjamin Walling)
Date: Fri Oct 31 10:54:20 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Messages are not filtered in Outlook 0081
Message-ID: <61119D047A3FE84E83EF2FFDA9A156A4E590F5@cstntexch01.coastdental.lan>

Using Windows XP, Outlook 2003.  Was working fine until I upgraded from
SpamBayes 002 to 0081.  Did retraining.

Showing spam clues for a spam message shows that it is 100%, but does
not get filtered.

INI files are attached.

Log file is below:


Migrating old pickle 'C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_configuration.pck'
 migrating section 'filter'
Attempted to set [Filter] watch_folder_ids with invalid value
[(u'0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C20000454D534D44422E444C4C0000
0000000000001B55FA20AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0C0000004353544E544558434830
31002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E3D5265
63697069656E74732F636E3D6277616C6C696E6700D83521F35E00000001000000140000
00000000002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E
3D436F6E66696775726174696F6E2F636E3D536572766572732F636E3D4353544E544558
43483031000000',
u'00000000C15882C93756064196EB81CCC04D87A2010061119D047A3FE84E83EF2FFDA9
A156A4000000859FC30000')] ()
 migrating section 'filter_now'
 migrating section 'training'
Attempted to set [Training] ham_folder_ids with invalid value
[(u'0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C20000454D534D44422E444C4C0000
0000000000001B55FA20AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0C0000004353544E544558434830
31002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E3D5265
63697069656E74732F636E3D6277616C6C696E6700D83521F35E00000001000000140000
00000000002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E
3D436F6E66696775726174696F6E2F636E3D536572766572732F636E3D4353544E544558
43483031000000',
u'00000000C15882C93756064196EB81CCC04D87A2010061119D047A3FE84E83EF2FFDA9
A156A4000000859FC30000')] ()
 migrating section 'field_score_name'
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 42 spam and 64 good messages
SpamBayes Outlook Addin, Binary version 0.81 (September 9, 2003)
starting (with engine SpamBayes Beta2, version 0.2 (July 2003))
on Windows 5.1.2600 (Service Pack 1)
using Python 2.3+ (#46, Aug  6 2003, 16:39:24) [MSC v.1200 32 bit
(Intel)]
ERROR enumerating a receive folder - (-2147221246, 'Invalid window
handle', None, None)
GetNextPage with current 0 IDD_WIZARD_WELCOME
Back button switching to page 0
Ignoring OnCommand for 65535
Cancelling wizard
ERROR: 'It appears there was an error loading your
configuration\r\n\r\nPlease re-configure SpamBayes via the SpamBayes
dropdown'
SpamBayes: Watching for new messages in folder  Spam
Creating new SpamBayes toolbar to host our buttons
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dlgcore", line 295, in OnNotify
  File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dialog_map", line 172, in OnNotify
  File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dialog_map", line 176, in switchToPage
  File "out1.pyz/dialogs.dlgcore", line 271, in SaveAllControls
pywintypes.error: (6, 'SetFocus', 'The handle is invalid.')
ERROR enumerating a receive folder - (-2147221246, 'Invalid window
handle', None, None)
GetNextPage with current 0 IDD_WIZARD_WELCOME
GetNextPage with current 3 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_TRAIN
About to train with
[('0000000038A1BB1005E5101AA1BB08002B2A56C20000454D534D44422E444C4C00000
000000000001B55FA20AA6611CD9BC800AA002FC45A0C0000004353544E5445584348303
1002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E3D52656
3697069656E74732F636E3D6277616C6C696E6700D83521F35E000000010000001400000
0000000002F4F3D436F6173742044656E74616C2F4F553D4E545F444F4D41494E2F636E3
D436F6E66696775726174696F6E2F636E3D536572766572732F636E3D4353544E5445584
3483031000000',
'00000000C15882C93756064196EB81CCC04D87A2010061119D047A3FE84E83EF2FFDA9A
156A4000000EA224F0000')]
Checked 136 in folder Inbox - 136 new entries found.
Checked 35 in folder Spam - 35 new entries found.
GetNextPage with current 4 IDD_WIZARD_TRAIN
GetNextPage with current 1 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_WATCH
GetNextPage with current 2 IDD_WIZARD_FOLDERS_REST
Wizard Done!
Saving wizard changes
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 35 spam and 136 good messages
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Net Critical Upgrade' -
Training on message 'Newest Net Critical Upgrade' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'bug message' -  Training on message
'bug message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Microsoft Security Patch' -
Training on message 'Newest Microsoft Security Patch' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Abort Message' -  Training on message
'Abort Message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Latest Critical Patch' -  Training on
message 'Latest Critical Patch' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Last Net Security Pack' -  Training on
message 'Last Net Security Pack' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'error letter' -  Training on message
'error letter' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'mail returned to sender' -  Training
on message 'mail returned to sender' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Letter' -  Training on message
'Letter' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Last Security Pack' -  Training on
message 'Last Security Pack' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Network Critical Patch' -
Training on message 'Newest Network Critical Patch' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Report' -  Training on message
'Report' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Notice' -  Training on message
'Notice' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Critical Upgrade' -  Training
on message 'Newest Critical Upgrade' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Returned Mail Returned To Sender' -
Training on message 'Returned Mail Returned To Sender' -  trained as
spam
Moving and spam training message 'Returned Message' -  Training on
message 'Returned Message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Current Network Pack' -  Training on
message 'Current Network Pack' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Undeliverable Message' -  Training on
message 'Undeliverable Message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message ' ' -  Training on message ' ' -
trained as spam
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_ACTION_UNSURE
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_ACTION_UNSURE
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_ACTION_UNSURE
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_ACTION_UNSURE
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_ACTION_UNSURE
Checked 148 in folder Inbox - 148 new entries found.
Checked 54 in folder Spam - 54 new entries found.
Loaded bayes database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application Data\SpamBayes\default_bayes_database.db'
Loaded message database from 'C:\Documents and
Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\default_message_database.db'
Bayes database initialized with 54 spam and 148 good messages
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_START
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_START
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_START
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Net Critical Update' -
Training on message 'Newest Net Critical Update' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Advice' -  Training on message
'Advice' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'returned mail returned to sender' -
Training on message 'returned mail returned to sender' -  trained as
spam
Moving and spam training message 'Mail: User unknown' -  Training on
message 'Mail: User unknown' -  trained as spam
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Moving and spam training message 'New Update' -  Training on message
'New Update' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'failure letter' -  Training on message
'failure letter' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Update' -  Training on message
'Update' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Abort Notice' -  Training on message
'Abort Notice' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'announcement' -  Training on message
'announcement' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Latest Critical Update' -  Training on
message 'Latest Critical Update' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Failure Advice' -  Training on message
'Failure Advice' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Abort Message' -  Training on message
'Abort Message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Current Internet Critical Upgrade' -
Training on message 'Current Internet Critical Upgrade' -  trained as
spam
Moving and spam training message 'undelivered mail: returned to mailer'
-  Training on message 'undelivered mail: returned to mailer' -  trained
as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Advice' -  Training on message
'Advice' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Last Critical Update' -  Training on
message 'Last Critical Update' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Newest Network Security Upgrade' -
Training on message 'Newest Network Security Upgrade' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message '' -  Training on message '' -  trained
as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Bug Announcement' -  Training on
message 'Bug Announcement' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Critical Upgrade' -  Training on
message 'Critical Upgrade' -  trained as spam
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for
Domino detected a virus in a document sentto you.' -  Training on
message 'Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Domino detected a virus in a
document sentto you.' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'last microsoft pack' -  Training on
message 'last microsoft pack' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Mail: Returned To Sender' -  Training
on message 'Mail: Returned To Sender' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for
Domino detected a virus in a document sentto you.' -  Training on
message 'Symantec AntiVirus/Filtering for Domino detected a virus in a
document sentto you.' -  trained as spam
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS
Ignoring OnCommand for IDC_RECOVER_RS
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Moving and spam training message 'Error Report' -  Training on message
'Error Report' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Error Message' -  Training on message
'Error Message' -  trained as spam
Moving and spam training message 'Current Critical Pack' -  Training on
message 'Current Critical Pack' -  trained as spam
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
Saving configuration -> C:\Documents and Settings\bwalling\Application
Data\SpamBayes\MS Exchange Settings.ini
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From twijdeve at foxboro.com  Fri Oct 31 11:42:29 2003
From: twijdeve at foxboro.com (Wijdeveld, Tom)
Date: Fri Oct 31 11:41:14 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] DLL/OCX error
Message-ID: <899CAF07B232FF4A979F65611DD3BB772D3B@FOX-NL01-XCH>


My configuration: Windows XP SP1 with Outlook 2002

During the installation of SpamBayes, the following error is shown:

Unable to register DLL/OCX: DLLRegisterServer failed code 0x00000000

What is required?

Thanks in advance for your reply, regards,
Tom Wijdeveld


From angus.berry at elken.com  Fri Oct 31 10:44:21 2003
From: angus.berry at elken.com (Angus Berry)
Date: Fri Oct 31 11:42:59 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] BUG: filter dies after a processing a few emails
Message-ID: 

Hi,

I think this is a bug:

I'm running Spambayes-1.0a6 on RedHat 9 (with python 2.2.2) using the POP3
proxy. I have upgraded from v1.0a4. The filter works fine for about the
first 15-20 of 100 emails, but seems to die at that point and then let
everything through.

I see the following message at the command prompt where I started Spambayes.

----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 440, in onRetr
    msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName())
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 193, in
setId
    msginfoDB._getState(self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 131, in
_getState
    (msg.c, msg.t) = self.db[msg.getId()]
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 70, in __getitem__
    f = StringIO(self.dict[key])
error: (-30981, 'Unknown error 4294936315')
----

Spambayes-1.0a4 seemed to work OK, but needed restarting every now and then.

thanks...



From angus.berry at elken.com  Fri Oct 31 10:46:17 2003
From: angus.berry at elken.com (Angus Berry)
Date: Fri Oct 31 11:44:39 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] FW: BUG: filter dies after a processing a few emails
Message-ID: 

PS. Non of the email that gets through when the filter dies, shows up in the
review/classify screens.

-----Original Message-----
From: Angus Berry [mailto:angus.berry@elken.com]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 11:44 AM
To: spambayes@python.org
Subject: BUG: filter dies after a processing a few emails


Hi,

I think this is a bug:

I'm running Spambayes-1.0a6 on RedHat 9 (with python 2.2.2) using the POP3
proxy. I have upgraded from v1.0a4. The filter works fine for about the
first 15-20 of 100 emails, but seems to die at that point and then let
everything through.

I see the following message at the command prompt where I started Spambayes.

----
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/bin/sb_server.py", line 440, in onRetr
    msg.setId(state.getNewMessageName())
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 193, in
setId
    msginfoDB._getState(self)
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/site-packages/spambayes/message.py", line 131, in
_getState
    (msg.c, msg.t) = self.db[msg.getId()]
  File "/usr/lib/python2.2/shelve.py", line 70, in __getitem__
    f = StringIO(self.dict[key])
error: (-30981, 'Unknown error 4294936315')
----

Spambayes-1.0a4 seemed to work OK, but needed restarting every now and then.

thanks...



From jens.rantil at telia.com  Fri Oct 31 11:46:45 2003
From: jens.rantil at telia.com (Jens Rantil)
Date: Fri Oct 31 11:48:15 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: 
References: 
Message-ID: <20031031174645.3f518083.jens.rantil@telia.com>

Hi David,

On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:15:24 -0000
"David Cleaves"  you wrote:

> Also is it possible to copy a file from one computer to another so that the
> second machine understands what the first has learnt regarding what is/isn't
> spam??

I quote from a thread some days ago (I you searched the archive you
would have found this):
------------------
On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:05:36 -0600
"Ryan Malayter"  wrote:

> If you're using the Outlook plugin, first set up and train on both
> machines independently.
> 
> Then, if you want to use updates, just copy your c:\documents ands
> settings\username\application data\spambayes\*.DB files from the desktop
> machine to the same location on the laptop, overwriting the DB files on
> the laptop. So long as SpamBayes is closed when you do this, it won't
> know the difference, and will use the "updated" DB from your desktop.
> 
> I actually wrote a batch file that synchronizes the DB files on each
> machine, copying the newest DB files to both machines. It then launches
> Outlook, and waits for you to close outlook, then re-syncs the DB files.
> It works well over my VPN connection form home, and does nothing when
> the VPN is down.
> 
> Regards,
> 	-Ryan-
> 
-------------------

Good luck!

Regards,

Jens

From jens.rantil at telia.com  Fri Oct 31 12:12:47 2003
From: jens.rantil at telia.com (Jens Rantil)
Date: Fri Oct 31 12:14:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam probabilitytest
Message-ID: <20031031181247.0ab6637d.jens.rantil@telia.com>

Hi list,
Can someone explain the attached screenshot? How come that the probability for
spam isn't 100%?

Regards,

Jens
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From kennypitt at hotmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:49:09 2003
From: kennypitt at hotmail.com (Kenny Pitt)
Date: Fri Oct 31 12:49:29 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam probabilitytest
In-Reply-To: <20031031181247.0ab6637d.jens.rantil@telia.com>
Message-ID: 

Jens Rantil wrote:
> Can someone explain the attached screenshot? How come that the
> probability for spam isn't 100%?

[from screenshot: spamcount=6, hamcount=0, spamprob=0.965116]

There is a little more to the probability calculation than just a
straight ham/spam ratio.  There are some adjustment factors that are
applied to compensate for words that have not been seen before in either
the ham or the spam.  The theory here is that just because we haven't
seen a word in a ham message previously doesn't ensure that we never
will.  The calculation takes into account how many total times the word
has been seen.  If your spamcount had been much higher, then the
probability would have been much closer to 100%.  For example, if
spamcount=100 then the probability of spam goes to 0.997760.

-- 
Kenny Pitt


From Jim.Babcock at Unisys.Com  Fri Oct 31 12:57:21 2003
From: Jim.Babcock at Unisys.Com (Babcock, Jim)
Date: Fri Oct 31 12:57:34 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spambayes bug
Message-ID: <7C300243D3B46B4E9FD47BA4929502F702AD0261@usrb-exch1.na.uis.unisys.com>

Running Win 2000, Outlook 2000 SP3
Bug: my e-mail is jim.babcock@unisys.com   When trying to send or forward
e-mail to address jim.babcock1@unisys.com, Outlook generates an error and
must be restarted. After this, even checking for addresses beginning with
the letter b causes the same error. Removing Spambayes removes the problem.

From papaDoc at videotron.ca  Fri Oct 31 11:55:58 2003
From: papaDoc at videotron.ca (papaDoc)
Date: Fri Oct 31 13:05:56 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Link to Spambayes
In-Reply-To: <006201c39fc5$f27fa090$2801a8c0@DDM04H11>
References: <006201c39fc5$f27fa090$2801a8c0@DDM04H11>
Message-ID: <3FA2941E.4040203@videotron.ca>

Hi Carolyn,

>Can I put a link to your web site on my site?
>
Yes you can

Remi


From tim.one at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 13:07:20 2003
From: tim.one at comcast.net (Tim Peters)
Date: Fri Oct 31 13:07:22 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Spam probabilitytest
In-Reply-To: <20031031181247.0ab6637d.jens.rantil@telia.com>
Message-ID: 

[Jens Rantil]
> Can someone explain the attached screenshot? How come that the
> probability for spam isn't 100%?

You mean because the word appeared in 6 training spam and no training ham?
Estimates of probabilities based on counting alone are never taken at face
value.  Gary Robinson explains the Bayesian adjustment we use in detail
here:

    http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=6467

Your intuition matches what he calls p(w) in that article.  We use an
adjusted value, called f(w) in the article.


From richie at entrian.com  Fri Oct 31 14:02:36 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Fri Oct 31 14:02:54 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Failure to train mbox ham
In-Reply-To: <200310302014.31327.stephen@theboulets.net>
References: <200310302014.31327.stephen@theboulets.net>
Message-ID: 

Hi Stephen,

> I tried training some mbox ham, but I get this error. Any ideas what could be 
> causing it?
> [...]
> AttributeError: 'int' object has no attribute 'has_key'

I believe this is due to a bug in 1.0a6 whereby the database gets closed
after you save your configuration.  Restarting sb_server should make it go
away.

If it doesn't, could you post your ini file and any other details that
might help us to reproduce the problem?  Thanks.

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From richie at entrian.com  Fri Oct 31 14:22:46 2003
From: richie at entrian.com (Richie Hindle)
Date: Fri Oct 31 14:22:57 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can
	help with making a snazzy/user-friendly website
In-Reply-To: <00bf01c39f63$82857970$6600a8c0@Neo>
References: <00bf01c39f63$82857970$6600a8c0@Neo>
Message-ID: 


[Dave]
> I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help with making a
> snazzy/user-friendly website

That could be a big help, especially the user-friendly part.  Our website
is not very user friendly, partly because it was written by a bunch of
programmers 8-) and partly because it hasn't kept up with the user base of
SpamBayes.  In the early days, SpamBayes was a research project,
investigating how Bayesian techniques could best be used to classify
email.  These days it's an end-user spam filter, whether it's ready for it
or not!

One of my longer term aims for the SpamBayes Wiki - at
http://entrian.com/sbwiki - was to use it to improve the website.  I
haven't had the time to take this idea any further, but if you (and anyone
else) would like to use the Wiki as a tool for developing an improved
website, that would be fantastic.

Getting users and web content developers involved with authoring the
website sounds like a very good idea to me.  At the moment, updating the
official website is a painful job even for the SpamBayes developers, and
impossible for everyone else, but updating the Wiki is trivially easy.
http://entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToContribute gives a very quick overview.

With a view to kicking this off, I've created an area in the Wiki
dedicated to website improvements:

  http://entrian.com/sbwiki/WebSiteDevelopment

This page, and any others beginning with 'WebSite' that people add, are
for developers and users to sketch out how the website could be improved.

> This beautiful tool has just saved me in so many ways -- THANK YOU!

Always good to hear from a happy customer!

-- 
Richie Hindle
richie@entrian.com


From mtiller at ford.com  Fri Oct 31 14:29:28 2003
From: mtiller at ford.com (Tiller, Michael (M.M.))
Date: Fri Oct 31 14:29:38 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can
	help with making a snazzy/user-friendly website
Message-ID: <6F7AD2AD5765D3118A7A0090278730212A4F6E05@na1fcm06.dearborn.ford.com>

I don't know what your platform is, but you might think about putting up a Plone (http://www.plone.org) site for SpamBayes.  It has the following advantages:

1) Runs on most platforms.
2) Built on top of Zope and Python.
3) Supports lots of content types and management features.
4) There is a Wiki product for it.
5) Supports users with varying levels of authority.
6) Very easy to customize (e.g. skin).

...among many other things.  I've used it for several things and it really is a very nice system for content management.  Just a thought.

--
Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richie Hindle [mailto:richie@entrian.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 2:23 PM
> To: Dave Mathiesen; spambayes@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Spambayes] I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and
> can help with making a snazzy/user-friendly website
> 
> 
> 
> [Dave]
> > I'm a web/php/mysql/javascript programmer and can help with making a
> > snazzy/user-friendly website
> 
> That could be a big help, especially the user-friendly part.  
> Our website
> is not very user friendly, partly because it was written by a bunch of
> programmers 8-) and partly because it hasn't kept up with the 
> user base of
> SpamBayes.  In the early days, SpamBayes was a research project,
> investigating how Bayesian techniques could best be used to classify
> email.  These days it's an end-user spam filter, whether it's 
> ready for it
> or not!
> 
> One of my longer term aims for the SpamBayes Wiki - at
> http://entrian.com/sbwiki - was to use it to improve the website.  I
> haven't had the time to take this idea any further, but if 
> you (and anyone
> else) would like to use the Wiki as a tool for developing an improved
> website, that would be fantastic.
> 
> Getting users and web content developers involved with authoring the
> website sounds like a very good idea to me.  At the moment, 
> updating the
> official website is a painful job even for the SpamBayes 
> developers, and
> impossible for everyone else, but updating the Wiki is trivially easy.
> http://entrian.com/sbwiki/HowToContribute gives a very quick overview.
> 
> With a view to kicking this off, I've created an area in the Wiki
> dedicated to website improvements:
> 
>   http://entrian.com/sbwiki/WebSiteDevelopment
> 
> This page, and any others beginning with 'WebSite' that 
> people add, are
> for developers and users to sketch out how the website could 
> be improved.
> 
> > This beautiful tool has just saved me in so many ways -- THANK YOU!
> 
> Always good to hear from a happy customer!
> 
> -- 
> Richie Hindle
> richie@entrian.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Spambayes@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes
> Check the FAQ before asking: http://spambayes.sf.net/faq.html
> 

From annj at npowerseattle.org  Fri Oct 31 17:11:01 2003
From: annj at npowerseattle.org (Ann Jensen)
Date: Fri Oct 31 17:11:03 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing Messages
Message-ID: 

I installed Spambaye 0.8 and unfortunately, didn't have it configured
properly.  I realized there was a problem when a new mail message icon
appeared in my system tray but nothing showed up in my inbox.  I had
been sending suspect emails to a nonexistent folder.    I know for
certain I'm missing 2 emails that were legitimate.  Any ideas on how I
can get them back?
 
Ann Jensen
Senior Consultant
NPower Seattle
206.286.8880
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From annj at npowerseattle.org  Fri Oct 31 17:24:16 2003
From: annj at npowerseattle.org (Ann Jensen)
Date: Fri Oct 31 17:24:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] Missing Messages
Message-ID: 

I installed Spambaye 0.8 and unfortunately, didn't have it configured
properly.  I realized there was a problem when a new mail message icon
appeared in my system tray but nothing showed up in my inbox.  I had
been sending suspect emails to a nonexistent folder.    I know for
certain I'm missing 2 emails that were legitimate.  Any ideas on how I
can get them back?

Ann Jensen
Senior Consultant
NPower Seattle
206.286.8880
__________________________
The next Tech Field Day is Friday November 7th. Sign up now,
registration is limited for this free event!
http://www.npowerseattle.org/happenings/fieldday/fall03tfd.htm



From natsysco at lvcm.com  Fri Oct 31 21:27:25 2003
From: natsysco at lvcm.com (Nat Talpis)
Date: Fri Oct 31 21:29:18 2003
Subject: [Spambayes] error messages
Message-ID: <000001c3a020$1099fa30$6501a8c0@natsysievqckcu>

Why do I get the "si span filter eng.exe" error message continously?