Yes, I've noticed that. However, after being asked to go re-read the classes section on <a href="http://python.org">python.org</a>, it makes more sense to me. I've found it's the terminology used and until you have that down, the rest is gibberish. I'm doing ok, now, but still have a lot to learn on them. I think the only way I'll get it for sure is to do it. Do it again. Again. Again. Again. I'm not concerned about it so much because each time I go over it again, I understand more.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Alan Gauld <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.gauld@btinternet.com" target="_blank">alan.gauld@btinternet.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Classes elude me almost entirely. I've followed the tutorials at<br>
<a href="http://bit.ly/MCAhYx" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/MCAhYx</a> and <a href="http://goo.gl/c170V" target="_blank">http://goo.gl/c170V</a> but in neither one do<br>
classes click.<br>
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OK, the problem is all those tutorials assume you understand OOP and only show you how Python does it. You need something that explains OOP first (or as well).<br>
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You can try the OOP topic in my tutor or google for an intro to OOP.<br>
Unfortunately OOP is one of those topics that has grown up from several different sources and so there are many slightly divergent views on what exactly it means. But the general gist is usually the same.<div class="im">
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element to python, it's like building a car from the ground up but never<br>
learning how to add oil.<br>
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Actually you can go a very long way in Python without OOP.<br>
Certainly without classes. Its more like building a car<br>
from the ground up but not understanding thermodynamics.<div class="im"><br>
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As an example, I am going to reference this:<br>
<a href="http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6671620/list-users-in-irc-channel-using-twisted-python-irc-framework" target="_blank">http://stackoverflow.com/<u></u>questions/6671620/list-users-<u></u>in-irc-channel-using-twisted-<u></u>python-irc-framework</a><br>
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Don;t even contemplate using Twisted as a concept learning tool, except for Twisted itself! :-)<br>
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Twisted is very powerful but its not for beginners.<div class="im"><br>
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Are there any better resources for learning classes for someone who's<br>
never touched object oriented programming in the past besides basic<br>
interpretation for debugging purposes?<br>
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There are many but the focus needs to be on OOP - the why and wherefore not the language syntax.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-- <br>
Alan G<br>
Author of the Learn to Program web site<br>
<a href="http://www.alan-g.me.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.alan-g.me.uk/</a></font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
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