Require moderation or move to discuss.python.org?
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
On 24.03.2022 20:17, Brett Cannon wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
Are you sure you sent this to the right ML, Brett ?
This list is fairly low volume and hardly receives any spam. According to the ML info it's a subscriber-post only list.
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On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 1:06 PM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com> wrote:
On 24.03.2022 20:17, Brett Cannon wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
Are you sure you sent this to the right ML, Brett ?
This list is fairly low volume and hardly receives any spam. According to the ML info it's a subscriber-post only list.
There are subscribed robots actively replying to old threads with nefarious intent.
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/W5272OJBC6O... https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/LFLXFMKMZ77...
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/V63NWEPQFHR...
On 24.03.2022 21:23, Gregory P. Smith wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 1:06 PM Marc-Andre Lemburg <mal@egenix.com <mailto:mal@egenix.com>> wrote:
On 24.03.2022 20:17, Brett Cannon wrote: > The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing > list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people > and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to > discuss.python.org <http://discuss.python.org> where spam issues aren't as much of a concern? Are you sure you sent this to the right ML, Brett ? This list is fairly low volume and hardly receives any spam. According to the ML info it's a subscriber-post only list.There are subscribed robots actively replying to old threads with nefarious intent.
https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/W5272OJBC6O... https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/LFLXFMKMZ77... https://mail.python.org/archives/list/capi-sig@python.org/thread/V63NWEPQFHR...
Should be easy to kick those :-)
Also: On other lists we have moderation turned for new subscribers and only moderators can disable moderation for them, which helps with such robots.
FWIW: I'm -1 on moving to Discourse. We already have too many topics there and it's getting hard to follow all the different channels.
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Marc-Andre Lemburg schrieb am 24.03.22 um 21:26:
FWIW: I'm -1 on moving to Discourse. We already have too many topics there and it's getting hard to follow all the different channels.
Also -1 from my side. I looked into Discourse when the CPython project started using it, quickly switched to digest notifications, and entirely stopped reading it a couple of weeks later. It's not how I organise my communication and I was happy to have one place less to look at again.
Stefan
On 24. 03. 22 20:17, Brett Cannon wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
I don't mind Discourse, but if others want to stay, I'm happy with the mailing list as well. Moderation sounds reasonable. (The Discourse anti-spam mechanisms aren't all that friendly either, for newcomers.)
Can I help with the moderation?
Hi,
I'm one of the 4 owers of the list. I changed a Setting : Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a member posts to the list: (o) Hold for moderation. Let's see how if goes.
I don't want to moderation the subscriptions. I cannot say if an email address looks like a spammer address or not. I prefer to moderate depending on the content.
When I am to moderate a spam, I only click on "Discard". Nothing else. I don't to each member setting to remove the account ot disallow this allow to send new emails. It would be too much work for me, since sadly the majority of traffic on this list is spam (at least for my owner role).
But I'm fine with changing an account setting for non-spammers, for legit emails.
I added Petr Viktorin as a 5th owner: welcome Petr :-)
Victor
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:18 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
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In Mailman 3 you can do this to adjust member moderation after you've determined that a new subscriber is posting legit content:
In the held messages dialog, click on the message. A dialog opens which comes with a pulldown "Set member moderation". This allow you to easily adjust the member moderation bit on a per user basis.
Simply clicking on "Discard" without also adjusting the member moderation will not change the situation, since the member would still be able to post spam.
Most spam messages on MLs I moderate are sent by non-members, so the above doesn't really help much. For subscribe-only lists the situation is much better.
On 25.03.2022 11:18, Victor Stinner wrote:
Hi,
I'm one of the 4 owers of the list. I changed a Setting : Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a member posts to the list: (o) Hold for moderation. Let's see how if goes.
I don't want to moderation the subscriptions. I cannot say if an email address looks like a spammer address or not. I prefer to moderate depending on the content.
When I am to moderate a spam, I only click on "Discard". Nothing else. I don't to each member setting to remove the account ot disallow this allow to send new emails. It would be too much work for me, since sadly the majority of traffic on this list is spam (at least for my owner role).
But I'm fine with changing an account setting for non-spammers, for legit emails.
I added Petr Viktorin as a 5th owner: welcome Petr :-)
Victor
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:18 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
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On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:19 AM Victor Stinner <vstinner@python.org> wrote:
Hi,
I'm one of the 4 owers of the list. I changed a Setting : Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a member posts to the list: (o) Hold for moderation. Let's see how if goes.
Two pieces of spam have made it through in the last two weeks. Did a setting get accidentally flipped off?
-Brett
I don't want to moderation the subscriptions. I cannot say if an email address looks like a spammer address or not. I prefer to moderate depending on the content.
When I am to moderate a spam, I only click on "Discard". Nothing else. I don't to each member setting to remove the account ot disallow this allow to send new emails. It would be too much work for me, since sadly the majority of traffic on this list is spam (at least for my owner role).
But I'm fine with changing an account setting for non-spammers, for legit emails.
I added Petr Viktorin as a 5th owner: welcome Petr :-)
Victor
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 8:18 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
The signal:noise ratio due to spam is getting a bit high on this mailing list. Would the admins be up for turning on default moderation for people and then selectively turning it off? Or should this group move to discuss.python.org where spam issues aren't as much of a concern?
capi-sig mailing list -- capi-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to capi-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/capi-sig.python.org/ Member address: vstinner@python.org
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On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:53 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:19 AM Victor Stinner <vstinner@python.org> wrote:
Hi,
I'm one of the 4 owers of the list. I changed a Setting : Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a member posts to the list: (o) Hold for moderation. Let's see how if goes.
Two pieces of spam have made it through in the last two weeks. Did a setting get accidentally flipped off?
-Brett
I got a spam from abigail231@gmailni.com in the topic "New script: add Python 3.10 support to your C extensions without losing Python 3.6".
In the email headers, I can see "User-Agent: HyperKitty on https://mail.python.org/". Does it mean that the spam was sent using the web interface?
The moderation is supposed to be the same for mails sent from the web interface, no?
In the list settings, "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" is set to (o) "Reject (with notification)".
"Default action to take when a member posts to the list" was set to (o) "Default processing".
=> I changed to setting to: (o) "Hold for moderation".
At March 25, I wrote that I already changed this setting to (o) "Hold for moderation". I'm not sure how it changed recently.
In the admin interface, this email is a member with Moderation Action = "Hold for moderation".
-- Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 4:17 PM Victor Stinner <vstinner@python.org> wrote:
On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 11:53 PM Brett Cannon <brett@python.org> wrote:
On Fri, Mar 25, 2022 at 3:19 AM Victor Stinner <vstinner@python.org>
wrote:
Hi,
I'm one of the 4 owers of the list. I changed a Setting : Message Acceptance > Default action to take when a member posts to the list: (o) Hold for moderation. Let's see how if goes.
Two pieces of spam have made it through in the last two weeks. Did a setting get accidentally flipped off?
-Brett
I got a spam from abigail231@gmailni.com in the topic "New script: add Python 3.10 support to your C extensions without losing Python 3.6".
In the email headers, I can see "User-Agent: HyperKitty on https://mail.python.org/". Does it mean that the spam was sent using the web interface?
Maybe.
The moderation is supposed to be the same for mails sent from the web interface, no?
I would hope so.
In the list settings, "Default action to take when a non-member posts to the list" is set to (o) "Reject (with notification)".
"Default action to take when a member posts to the list" was set to (o) "Default processing".
=> I changed to setting to: (o) "Hold for moderation".
At March 25, I wrote that I already changed this setting to (o) "Hold for moderation". I'm not sure how it changed recently.
In the admin interface, this email is a member with Moderation Action = "Hold for moderation".
-- Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death.
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