Sorry,

just shaking my head about how so many, I guess, adult men (guessing again) can behave so childish.

Let me ask the last childish question: Amir, are you sure Python is not installed yet on their computer? -- I don't know. But I know that if it is then asking them to use another IDE (instead of Visual Studio) is probably not much better than asking them to try to find Bash on their Windows system (hoping it was Windows X, sorry, 10, which I've been told now can incorporate Bash to make things easier for developers, Windows developers). No aluminum yet involved. Apart from the X.

I meant to be polite. And I'm going to stay polite. And while I value freedom more, I respect either side of the trifold spectrum, just to be helpful. Because I care for learners. And I'm sure also Dan cares.

Step back, stay respectful, because the Python community must prove that it respects diversity as much as beauty and simplicity.

Beautiful is better than ugly, simple is better than complicated, pragmatism is better than fighting a religious war, and usability counts. Unfortunately there is not only one obvious way to fail on a complex system, though failing on Windows is much more fun. Unless you're Finnish. In the face of ambiguity refuse the temptation to suggest solutions that have not been asked for. Because when it's difficult to explain without hurting people who care for religion it may be a bad idea.

The only good answer on this very mess was Ian's: This has nothing to do with Pylint.

And while this may not be particularly helpful at first sight, this is the only appropriate answer on this list.

Wishing you a wonderful weekend everyone, hoping to see you on the next PyCon. And may Saint Ignucius bless you all!

Peter


P.S.: If you get this twice, fear not! You have been blessed twice.

Il 09/set/2017 21:46, "Amir Rachum" <amir@rachum.com> ha scritto:
Kyrian, your problem seems very basic, and I'm afraid it would be quite difficult to help over email. I suggest you download the Python Windows Installer from the Python website:
https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-362/
After you install Python, try to search for "IDLE" in your Start menu. It's the built-in Python shell and editor on Windows. If you get it to work, then you installed Python correctly.

Peter and Dan, there's "right" and there's "helpful" and you two are neither. Telling someone who was unsuccessful at installing Python on Windows to install Linux is just getting them deeper in trouble. I use both Linux and Windows for professional Python development and they are both adequate and most definitely not "3rd-rate software".

On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 10:25 PM, Ian Stapleton Cordasco <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Dan Stromberg <strombrg@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Windows improves somewhat in areas where it has a strong competitor.
>
> It lies fallow in areas where it has a majority of the marketshare.
>
> Windows is usable, but it's 3rd-rate software, after Linux and macOS.
>
> We should consider assisting Windows users on Windows, but there's nothing
> wrong with also reminding them that there are better alternatives available.
>

There's a difference between someone who comes to this list saying

"I'm trying to run Pylint from my editor and I've followed some
instructions for getting set up on Windows. Does anyone know why it
doesn't work?"

And someone saying

"Hey, I'm having trouble doing python development on Windows. Is
writing Python on Windows so awful I should switch to something else?"

What we have here is someone asking the first question and getting an
answer to the second question. In other words, you're telling the
person that in order for them to develop software in Python they must
use Linux (or a worst buy an inordinately expensive piece of aluminum
with substandard hardware to get a variant of Unix) and that's not
only wrong, it's downright exclusive.

Put yet another way, answer the question the person actually asks, if
you can. If you don't do windows development and you can't actually
offer help, maybe just don't reply.

> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Ian Stapleton Cordasco
> <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Windows is a fine developer environment and consistently getting better.
>> Let's not discourage people from learning to cure on the operating systems
>> they're already comfortable with. If you can't help them, don't try to make
>> them learn yet another thing as a barrier to learning Python
>>
>> Sent from my phone with my typo-happy thumbs. Please excuse my brevity
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2017 11:31, "Peter Bittner" <peter.bittner@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you can get hold of a computer running GNU/Linux, e.g. a machine
>>> running an Ubuntu desktop, that would be ideal.
>>>
>>> Windows is not ideal for developing software (well, that's my personal
>>> opinion). Especially the path issues you don't have on other systems.
>>> In my experience you have everything easily at hand with a GNU/Linux
>>> system. Ubuntu or Mint are lovely and very popular. Even a Mac is
>>> better suited, though that requires some hacking (installing a a
>>> package manager) to set more potential free. Try them, it will make
>>> your life so much easier.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-08 18:19 GMT+02:00 Kyrian Okoroama <kyrian010@yahoo.com>:
>>> > Hi
>>> >
>>> > No I do not have those.
>>> >
>>> > Should I install them or one?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Kyrian Okoroama .C.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On ‎Friday‎, ‎September‎ ‎8‎, ‎2017‎ ‎05‎:‎50‎:‎31‎ ‎PM‎ ‎CEST, Peter
>>> > Bittner <peter.bittner@gmx.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Do you have Bash (a GNU/Linux shell) on your Windows machine?
>>> >
>>> > If that's the case start the Bash terminal application and type
>>> > "python".
>>> > Python should already be installed and easily accessible there from any
>>> > directory.
>>> >
>>> > Peter
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 2017-09-08 16:09 GMT+02:00 Ian Stapleton Cordasco
>>> > <graffatcolmingov@gmail.com>:
>>> >> Your IDE does not seem to be able to find where you installed Python.
>>> >> This
>>> >> has nothing to do with pylint
>>> >>
>>> >> Sent from my phone with my typo-happy thumbs. Please excuse my brevity
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sep 8, 2017 09:06, "Kyrian Okoroama via code-quality"
>>> >> <code-quality@python.org> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi there
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I am totally new to programming language. However I am running the
>>> >>> online
>>> >>> free course on Alison on Python programming language, which I have
>>> >>> installed
>>> >>> according to instructions on the video but I having issues Debugging
>>> >>> my
>>> >>> first Hello World script.
>>> >>> see attached files
>>> >>>
>>> >>> kindly help.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kyrian Okoroama .C.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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