Mailman 3 December 1999 - Distutils-SIG

Sample setup.py for Numeric Python
by Greg Ward 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

Hi again -- [cc'd to Paul Dubois: you said you weren't following the distutils sig anymore, but this directly concerns NumPy and I'd like to get your input!] here's that sample setup.py for NumPy. See below for discussion (and questions!). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ #!/usr/bin/env python # Setup script example for building the Numeric extension to Python. # This does sucessfully compile all the .dlls. Nothing happens # with the .py files currently. # Move this file to the Numerical directory of the LLNL numpy # distribution and run as: # python numpysetup.py --verbose build_ext # # created 1999/08 Perry Stoll __rcsid__ = "$Id: numpysetup.py,v 1.1 1999/09/12 20:42:48 gward Exp $" from distutils.core import setup setup (name = "numerical", version = "0.01", description = "Numerical Extension to Python", url = "http://www.python.org/sigs/matrix-sig/", ext_modules = [ ( '_numpy', { 'sources' : [ 'Src/_numpymodule.c', 'Src/arrayobject.c', 'Src/ufuncobject.c' ], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file' : 'Src/numpy.def' } ), ( 'multiarray', { 'sources' : ['Src/multiarraymodule.c'], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file': 'Src/multiarray.def' } ), ( 'umath', { 'sources': ['Src/umathmodule.c'], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file' : 'Src/umath.def' } ), ( 'fftpack', { 'sources': ['Src/fftpackmodule.c', 'Src/fftpack.c'], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file' : 'Src/fftpack.def' } ), ( 'lapack_lite', { 'sources' : [ 'Src/lapack_litemodule.c', 'Src/dlapack_lite.c', 'Src/zlapack_lite.c', 'Src/blas_lite.c', 'Src/f2c_lite.c' ], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file' : 'Src/lapack_lite.def' } ), ( 'ranlib', { 'sources': ['Src/ranlibmodule.c', 'Src/ranlib.c', 'Src/com.c', 'Src/linpack.c', ], 'include_dirs' : ['./Include'], 'def_file' : 'Src/ranlib.def' } ), ] ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ First, what d'you think? Too clunky and verbose? Too much information for each extension? I kind of think so, but I'm not sure how to reduce it elegantly. Right now, the internal data structures needed to compile a module are pretty obviously exposed: is this a good thing? Or should there be some more compact form for setup.py that will be expanded later into the full glory we see above? I've already made one small step towards reducing the amount of cruft by factoring 'include_dirs' out and supplying it directly as a parameter to 'setup()'. (But that needs code not in the CVS archive yet, so I've left the sample setup.py the same for now.) The next thing I'd like to do is get that damn "def_file" out of there. To support it in MSVCCompiler, there's already an ugly hack that unnecessarily affects both the UnixCCompiler and CCompiler classes, and I want to get rid of that. (I refer to passing the 'build_info' dictionary into the compiler classes, if you're familiar with the code -- that dictionary is part of the Distutils extension-building system, and should not propagate into the more general compiler classes.) But I don't want to give these weird "def file" things standing on the order of source files, object files, libraries, etc., because they seem to me to be a bizarre artifact of one particular compiler, rather than something present in a wide range of C/C++ compilers. Based on the NumPy model, it seems like there's a not-too-kludgy way to handle this problem. Namely: if building extension "foo": if file "foo.def" found in same directory as "foo.c" add "/def:foo.def" to MSVC command line this will of course require some platform-specific code in the build_ext command class, but I figured that was coming eventually, so why put it off? ;-) To make this hack work with NumPy, one change would be necessary: rename Src/numpy.def to Src/_numpy.def to match Src/_numpy.c, which implements the _numpy module. Would this be too much to ask of NumPy? (Paul?) What about other module distributions that support MSVC++ and thus ship with "def" files? Could they be made to accomodate this scheme? Thanks for your feedback -- Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward(a)cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive voice: +1-703-620-8990 Reston, Virginia, USA 20191-5434 fax: +1-703-620-0913

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Can now compile simple extensions
by Greg Ward 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

Hi all -- at long last, I found the time to hack in the ability to compile extension modules to the Distutils. Mainly, this meant adding a 'build_ext' command which uses a CCompiler instance for all its dirty work. I also had to add a few methods to CCompiler (and, of course, UnixCCompiler) to make this work. And I added a new module, 'spawn', which takes care of running sub-programs more efficiently and robustly (no shell involved) than os.system. That's needed, obviously, so we can run the compiler! If you're in the mood for grubbing over raw source code, then get the latest from CVS or download a current snapshot. See http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/implementation.html for a link to the code snapshot. I'm still waiting for more subclasses of CCompiler to appear. At the very least, we're going to need MSVCCompiler to build extensions on Windows. Any takers? Also, someone who knows the Mac, and how to run compilers programmatically there, will have to figure out how to write a Mac-specific concrete CCompiler subclass. The spawn module also needs a bit of work to be portable. I suspect that _win32_spawn() (the intended analog to my _posix_spawn()) will be easy to implement, if it even needs to go in a separate function at all. It looks from the Python Library documentation for 1.5.2 that the os.spawnv() function is all we need, but it's a bit hard to figure out just what's needed. Windows wizards, please take a look at the 'spawn()' function and see if you can make it work on Windows. As for actually compiling extensions: well, if you can figure out the build_ext command, go ahead and give it a whirl. It's a bit cryptic right now, since there's no documentation and no example setup.py. (I have a working example at home, but it's not available online.) If you feel up to it, though, see if you can read the code and figure out what's going on. I'm just hoping *I'll* be able to figure out what's going on when I get back from the O'Reilly conference next week... ;-) Enjoy -- Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward(a)cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive voice: +1-703-620-8990 Reston, Virginia, USA 20191-5434 fax: +1-703-620-0913

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Two fixes (at last)
by Greg Ward 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

Hi all -- at long last, I have fixed two problems that a couple people noticed a while ago: * I folded in Amos Latteier's NT patches almost verbatim -- just changed an `os.path.sep == "/"' to `os.name == "posix"' and added some comments bitching about the inadequacy of the current library installation model (I think this is Python's fault, but for now Distutils is slavishly aping the situation in Python 1.5.x) * I fixed the problem whereby running "setup.py install" without doing anything else caused a crash (because 'build' hadn't yet been run). Now, the 'install' command automatically runs 'build' before doing anything; to make this bearable, I added a 'have_run' dictionary to the Distribution class to keep track of which commands have been run. So now not only are command classes singletons, but their 'run' method can only be invoked once -- both restrictions enforced by Distribution. The code is checked into CVS, or you can download a snapshot at http://www.python.org/sigs/distutils-sig/distutils-19990607.tar.gz Hope someone (Amos?) can try the new version under NT. Any takers for Mac OS? BTW, all parties involved in the Great "Where Do We Install Stuff?" Debate should take a good, hard look at the 'set_final_options()' method of the Install class in distutils/install.py; this is where all the policy decisions about where to install files are made. Currently it apes the Python 1.5 situation as closely as I could figure it out. Obviously, this is subject to change -- I just don't know to *what* it will change! Greg -- Greg Ward - software developer gward(a)cnri.reston.va.us Corporation for National Research Initiatives 1895 Preston White Drive voice: +1-703-620-8990 Reston, Virginia, USA 20191-5434 fax: +1-703-620-0913

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Package versioning
by Timothy Docker 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

Hi all, I've been aware that the distutils sig has been simmerring away, but until recently it has not been directly relevant to what I do. I like the look of the proposed api, but have one question. Will this support an installed system that has multiple versions of the same package installed simultaneously? If not, then this would seem to be a significant limitation, especially when dependencies between packages are considered. Assuming it does, then how will this be achieved? I am presently managing this with a messy arrangement of symlinks. A package is installed with its version number in it's name, and a separate directory is created for an application with links from the unversioned package name to the versioned one. Then I just set the pythonpath to this directory. A sample of what the directory looks like is shown below. I'm sure there is a better solution that this, and I'm not sure that this would work under windows anyway (does windows have symlinks?). So, has this SIG considered such versioning issues yet? Cheers, Tim -------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Docker timd(a)macquarie.com.au Quantative Applications Division Macquarie Bank -------------------------------------------------------------- qad16:qad $ ls -l lib/python/ total 110 drwxr-xr-x 2 mts mts 512 Nov 11 11:23 1.1 -r--r----- 1 root mts 45172 Sep 1 1998 cdrmodule_0_7_1.so drwxr-xr-x 2 mts mts 512 Sep 1 1998 chart_1_1 drwxr-xr-x 3 mts mts 512 Sep 1 1998 Fnorb_0_7_1 dr-xr-x--- 3 mts mts 512 Nov 11 11:21 Fnorb_0_8 drwxr-xr-x 3 mts mts 1536 Mar 3 12:45 mts_1_1 dr-xr-x--- 7 mts mts 512 Nov 11 11:22 OpenGL_1_5_1 dr-xr-x--- 2 mts mts 1024 Nov 11 11:23 PIL_0_3 drwxr-xr-x 3 mts mts 512 Sep 1 1998 Pmw_0_7 dr-xr-x--- 2 mts mts 512 Nov 11 11:21 v3d_1_1 qad16:qad $ ls -l lib/python/1.1 total 30 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 29 Apr 10 10:43 _glumodule.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/_glumodule.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 30 Apr 10 10:43 _glutmodule.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/_glutmodule.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 22 Apr 10 10:43 _imaging.so -> ../PIL_0_3/_imaging.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 36 Apr 10 10:43 _opengl_nummodule.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/_opengl_nummodule.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 27 Apr 10 10:43 _tkinter.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/_tkinter.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 mts mts 21 Apr 10 10:43 cdrmodule.so -> ../cdrmodule_0_7_1.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 mts mts 12 Apr 10 10:43 chart -> ../chart_1_1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 12 Apr 10 10:43 Fnorb -> ../Fnorb_0_8 lrwxrwxrwx 1 mts mts 12 Apr 10 10:43 mts -> ../mts_1_1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 15 Apr 10 10:43 OpenGL -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 33 Apr 10 10:43 opengltrmodule.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/opengltrmodule.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 33 Apr 10 10:43 openglutil_num.so -> ../OpenGL_1_5_1/openglutil_num.so lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 10 Apr 10 10:43 PIL -> ../PIL_0_3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 mts mts 10 Apr 10 10:43 Pmw -> ../Pmw_0_7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root other 10 Apr 10 10:43 v3d -> ../v3d_1_1

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[Distutils-sig] distutils charter and interscript
by John Skaller 29 Apr '18

29 Apr '18

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Package Meta-information Patch
by Michael Muller 20 Jan '00

20 Jan '00

Hi All, I finally got to delve into Distutils 0.1.2 over the long weekend, and I think it is a very nice package. The architecture is very clean and extensible, and the code is consistent, well commented, and well organized. Thanks, Greg! I've enclosed a patch which addresses a particular concern of mine: package meta-information. At the end of the install command, it creates a package information file in <install_py.install_dir>/_pkginfo named after the package (it also creates the "_pkginfo" directory, if necessary). The file contains python variable definitions for the package name, version number, list of files installed, dependencies, and compatible versions (although the latter two are always empty at this time). The module that is used to record and obtain package information can be overriden on the command line (install_info --pkg-module <your-module>). Also, if a global "pkginfo" module exists, it will be used instead of the default distutils.pkginfo module (whose behavior is described above). I envision the installer using whatever package information system is most appropriate for the system (RPM's for Linux, Registry files for Windows[?]). Meta-information facilitates uninstall, dependency checking, automatic downloading of dependencies, and system cataloging. I'd be interested in contributing some of these features to distutils, and welcome any discussion on the subject, particularly since it is relevant to my day job. ============================================================================= michaelMuller = mmuller(a)enduden.com | http://www.cloud9.net/~proteus ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- There is no concept that is more demeaning to the human spirit than the notion that our freedom must be limited in the interests of our own protection. =============================================================================

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distutils and JPython
by Finn Bock 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Hi, Generally I'm looking at distutils to see if it can help me simplify the installation of some of the JPython modules I have created. A JPython modules could typically consists of: - .py files - .jar file or .class files - .dll files Lets first assume that all these files have been compiled and built in some traditional way. In order to get started with distutils, I will avoid any attempt to compile any of the C/C++ source at the target machine. So this is windows only, at least to begin with. My primary target user is a java/jpython developer. Copying the .py files works like a dream. For .jar files, the situation get more complicated. A jar file could: a) be copied to an well-known directory f.ex. a subdir to sys.prefix. The JPython startup script would then have to be changed. I.e. inserting the new .jar in the -classpath or /cp option to the java command. b) If using Sun-JDK, the jar could be copied to the "$java.ext.dir" directory in the JDK/JRE installation. c) If using MS-jview, the jar could be extracted into "$java.home\Lib" or "$java.home\TrustLib" directory. java.home is narmmaly something like "c:\windows\Java" d) Some other directory, leaving it entirely up to the user to fiddle with startup scripts and CLASSPATH environment variables. Other JVMs could possible have different default places where class files are located. Even if distutils will support all methods, I think the user must be queried which strategy she want to use. For .dll files, the situation get similar. A dll file could: a) be copied to one of the directories on the current PATH (only easily available in Sun-JDK as $java.library.path) b) be copied to JVM specific exe directory. $java.home/bin in the JDK/JRE for Sun-JDK, $com.ms.sysdir in c:\windows\system32 for MS-jview. c) Some other directory, leaving it up the user to change the $PATH / $LD_LIBRARY_PATH(?) environment variables. Again, I think the user must be queried before .dll files can be copied. These are normal installation issues. I am a bit unsure on how much I can reasonably expect distutils to deal with this. From my very limited experience with distutils, I think distutils is exactly the right place to put some of the logic that deals with JVM and OS dependencies as described above. Any thoughs? Buglets and suggestions: a) Documentation buglet. In the USAGE file for "dist", -f is described as an alias for --formats. -f does not work. b) How about allowing for some alias names for the README file. Some of us lazy double-clicking windows types prefer names like README.txt. c) Why are "packages" and "py_module" mutually exclusive. One of my products happens to have a toplevel module which contains "from pck.Main import *". I think that I find the current behavior limiting. regards, finn

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Disposition of C extensions and packages
by A.M. Kuchling 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

[Crossposted to xml-sig, distutils-sig] I'm working on getting the XML-SIG's CVS tree to install using the current version of the Distutils. Right now there are two C extensions, sgmlop.so and pyexpat.so, and they're installed under xml/parsers/ . It's hard to handle this case using the distutils code as it stands, because it expects to put extensions into a build/platlib/ directory, from which they'll be installed into site-packages. I can coerce setup.py into installing them into xml/parsers/, by subclassing the BuildExt command and setting build_dir myself: from distutils.command.build_ext import BuildExt class XMLBuildExt(BuildExt): def set_default_options (self): BuildExt.set_default_options( self ) self.build_dir = 'lib/build/xml/parser' setup (name = "PyXML", cmdclass = {'build_ext':XMLBuildExt}, ...) You also have to subclass the Install command and set build_dir there; I've trimmed that code. It's really clunky.\ Note that this scheme will break once there are C modules that need to be installed anywhere other than xml/parsers/, because build_dir is being hardwired without knowledge of what module is being compiled. Questions: 1) A general Python question about packaging style: Is mixing C extensions and Python modules in one package tree a bad idea? It makes the whole tree platform-dependent, which is probably annoying for sites maintaining Python installation for different architectures. 2) Another general question, this time o: how should this be handled? Should C extensions always be effectively top-level, and therefore go into site-packages? Should there be an xml package holding .py files, and an X package holding all the C extensions? (X = 'plat_xml', 'xml_binary', or something like that) 3) XML-SIG question: should I go ahead and change it (since I first changed it to use xml.parsers.sgmlop)? 4) Distutils question: is this a problem with the Distutils code that needs fixing? I suspect not; if the tools make it difficult to do stupid things like mix .py and .so files, that's a good thing. -- A.M. Kuchling http://starship.python.net/crew/amk/ The Kappamaki, a whaling research ship, was currently researching the question: How many whales can you catch in one week? -- Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, _Good Omens_

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distutils-0.1.2 with JPython
by Finn Bock 21 Dec '99

21 Dec '99

Hi, Being new to Distutils-SIG, I apologized if these topics are old already. I have tried to run distutils 0.1.2 under JPython and windows NT, this is what I came up with. a) distutils attempt to install itself in sys.prefix. Unfortunately JPython does not, as distributed, import site.py. So by default installed modules can not be located. I guess this is a problem in JPython and have reported it as: http://www.python.org/jpython-bugs/incoming?id=229 b) sysconfig does not known about os.name == 'java'. Hacked below. c) Wildcard import in the local name space does not work with JPython. This is used in util.py. Even though this is a JPython bug http://www.python.org/jpython-bugs/incoming?id=229 I think distutils could avoid the situation until JPython is fixed. Hacked below. d) JPython's 'os' modules does not contain utime or chmod. Hacked below. e) When building a "dist", the distutils.errors was missing in dist.py. Hacked below. f) The fields of IOError are different between JPython and CPython. The field strerror exists, but it is None. This is a known difference. Hacked below. g) os.link is not defined. Neither is os.link when using CPython for Windows NT. I exchanged os.link with util.copy_file, but that is bogus. Unfortunately it is also included in the hack below. h) spawn.py did not support os.name == 'java'. Hacked below. i) The windows version of gzip that happened to be executed when outputting gztar on my PC complains if the .tar.gz already exists. Perhaps dist.py should remove any existing .tar.gz before trying to make a new one. Not fixed. Some general questions: 1) I am unsure, how os.name dependencies are best introduced. F.ex. in the dist.make_zipfile(), I just added an if. It does not feel right. 2) Can (and should) distutil deal with the cr/lf issues of text files? When building a distribution targeted to a specific platform, I think distutils could help out with converting the obvious text-files. In order to gain some momentum with my tests, I just hacked simple solutions to my problems. The changes that I have made may break more than they fixes, so beware. The result can be seen here: http://pip.dknet.dk/~bckfnn/Distutils-0.1.2-fbo.tar.gz With this version, I could run the "dist" command and the "install" command with normal module/*.py files. regards, finn

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Re: [Distutils] Disposition of C extensions and packages
by Michel Sanner 20 Dec '99

20 Dec '99

On Dec 20, 4:49pm, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > I claim that it *is* an issue of disk space. Having the installation > of a particular package spread out over two places is inconvenient > from a management point of view, and sharing one of those places > between different installations (for different platforms) of the same > package just makes it a lot worse. > What management are you talking about here ?? It seems to me that duplicate copies of identical files (one copy per platform) is inconvenient (at least for my perspective). Moreover, why provide an prefix and an exec_prefix if we are going to put everything into the same tree anyway ?? -Michel -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> AREA CODE CHANGE <<<<<<<<< we are now 858 !!!!!!! Michel F. Sanner Ph.D. The Scripps Research Institute Assistant Professor Department of Molecular Biology 10550 North Torrey Pines Road Tel. (858) 784-2341 La Jolla, CA 92037 Fax. (858) 784-2860 sanner(a)scripps.edu http://www.scripps.edu/sanner -----------------------------------------------------------------------

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