Mailman 3 August 2009 - Distutils-SIG

problem with zc.buildout download-cache setting
by Sydney Weidman 04 Aug '09

04 Aug '09

I have a buildout recipe (zc.buildout 1.3.0) for a Plone site I'm building and it contains the line: download-cache = downloads but I find that when I run bin/buildout, the directory does not get created and I get the following traceback: [educommons@vrs OCWBuildout]$ bin/buildout -Uv While: Initializing. Error: The specified download cache: '/home/educommons/OCWBuildout/downloads' Doesn't exist. The code from zc.buildout.buildout looks like: download_cache = options.get('download-cache') if download_cache: download_cache = os.path.join(options['directory'], download_cache) if not os.path.isdir(download_cache): raise zc.buildout.UserError( 'The specified download cache:\n' '%r\n' "Doesn't exist.\n" % download_cache) download_cache = os.path.join(download_cache, 'dist') if not os.path.isdir(download_cache): os.mkdir(download_cache) zc.buildout.easy_install.download_cache(download_cache) It seems odd to me that if the download_cache directory doesn't exist, that UserError is raised. Shouldn't the directory be created? What would be the harm in that? Or am I missing something? I realize that I could just mkdir downloads and it would work, but it seems to defeat the simplicity of "python bootstrap.py; bin/buidout; bin/instance start". I'm sure this is some failure of understanding on my part, otherwise I'm sure someone else would have encountered this issue before. Regards, Syd

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Update on recent distutils (and related projects) progress
by Ben Finney 03 Aug '09

03 Aug '09

Howdy all, Second only to doing work on improvement is to *make it known* what improvements are going on. So, thank you very much to Tarek Ziadé for spending the time on status updates for recent distutils-related work <URL:http://tarekziade.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/words-on-distribute-distutil…>. -- \ “I have the simplest tastes. I am always satisfied with the | `\ best.” —Oscar Wilde | _o__) | Ben Finney

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Re: [Distutils] Cache PYTHONPATH? (Re: make unzipped eggs be the default)
by P.J. Eby 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

At 06:52 PM 8/2/2009 +0200, Tarek Ziadé wrote: >On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 6:44 AM, P.J. Eby<pje(a)telecommunity.com> wrote: > > At 10:35 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, P.J. Eby<pje(a)telecommunity.com> wrote: > >> > At 09:22 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> >> > >> >> I can see how this could go quite wrong, but maybe if installers touch > >> >> some file in the library directory anytime a package is > >> >> installed/reinstalled/removed/etc, > >> > > >> > You mean, like, the mtime of the directory itself? Â ;-) > >> > >> Do directory mtimes get recursively updated? I don't think they do. > > > > That's not necessary; if imports use a cached listdir, then the children > > will get handled recursively. > > > >> So if you have a layout: > >> > >> site-packages/ > >> zope/ > >> interface/ > >> __init__.py > >> > >> And you update the package and update __init__.py, the mtime of > >> site-packages doesn't change, does it? > > > > Nope, but at the top level, the fact that 'zope' is present is > unchanged, as > > is the presence of an 'interface' subdirectory. > > > > > >> I'm saying if there was a file in site-packages/last_updated that gets > >> touched everytime an installer does anything in site-packages, then > >> you could cache (between processes) the lookups. > > > > Since each invocation of the interpreter can have a different PYTHONPATH, > > the cache has to be per-directory, not global. If it's per-directory, then > > there's no real benefit over runtime caching, since you now have > to open and > > read a file (instead of just reading the directory). And as I said, it's > > not realistic to think that opening and reading a file is going to beat > > opening and reading a directory for speed. > >But opening and reading one file should beat opening hundreds of directories : >In the PEP 376 prototype, after thinking about a per-directory cache >like you are >describing, I was thinking about having a global index file to replace >the global dictionnary that keeps track of the distributions per >directory (currently the directory path >is the key in the dictionnary and the value the distribution objects). > >That can even be a simple shelve of the dictionary, that become a >global index of directories >that [are/were once] in the path. This works as long as the index file >is per-user. >Or even better : per-application. I don't know how this could be >managed/done, but >a simple cache file created alongside the script the application is >launched with, could >speed up the lookups at the second launch. You'd still have to stat the directories to know if they changed - in which case the logic I've already laid out still applies. I think, however, we are discussing different nominal scenarios. I'm assuming a post-PEP 376 world where the only use for .egg files or directories are for *non-default* versions of packages, that only get added to sys.path for apps or libraries that need them, rather than being in a default .pth file. However, if you're discussing speeding up an environment where we use .egg directories and they're on sys.path, then a per-user global cache might speed things up. For security reasons, however, that cache would need to be ignored by Python when running secure scripts. (e.g. -s and -E options, and definitely anything setuid.) In contrast, directory stat caching with a modest number of (non-egg) PYTHONPATH entries would speed things nicely in the hopefully-future-default case.

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idea for Distribute: make unzipped eggs be the default
by Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

Folks: I have been keeping a running tally of people who have trouble with zipped eggs and the trouble goes away when they have unzipped eggs instead. I just added the newest entry: someone was trying to build a package with py2exe, and configuring their distutils config file to always unzip eggs fixed the problem: http://bugs.python.org/setuptools/issue33 # zipped eggs cause various problems -- perhaps set default setting to unzipped? Perhaps the Distribute project should consider installing eggs unzipped by default. It would avoid a slew of problems (see that ticket for a catalog of problems), would be fully backwards compatible (it is what many people already do, per the suggested workaround, and I've never heard a report of a problem due to an *unzipped* egg), and I think it might improve performance a bit. (Yes, that's right -- we haven't done a real measurement of performance, but the few times that people briefly glanced at performance it seemed like zipping the eggs made them slower to load, not faster.) Regards, Zooko

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Re: [Distutils] Cache PYTHONPATH? (Re: make unzipped eggs be the default)
by P.J. Eby 02 Aug '09

02 Aug '09

At 10:35 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: >On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 9:40 PM, P.J. Eby<pje(a)telecommunity.com> wrote: > > At 09:22 PM 7/28/2009 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote: > >> > >> I can see how this could go quite wrong, but maybe if installers touch > >> some file in the library directory anytime a package is > >> installed/reinstalled/removed/etc, > > > > You mean, like, the mtime of the directory itself? Â ;-) > >Do directory mtimes get recursively updated? I don't think they do. That's not necessary; if imports use a cached listdir, then the children will get handled recursively. >So if you have a layout: > >site-packages/ > zope/ > interface/ > __init__.py > >And you update the package and update __init__.py, the mtime of >site-packages doesn't change, does it? Nope, but at the top level, the fact that 'zope' is present is unchanged, as is the presence of an 'interface' subdirectory. >I'm saying if there was a file in site-packages/last_updated that gets >touched everytime an installer does anything in site-packages, then >you could cache (between processes) the lookups. Since each invocation of the interpreter can have a different PYTHONPATH, the cache has to be per-directory, not global. If it's per-directory, then there's no real benefit over runtime caching, since you now have to open and read a file (instead of just reading the directory). And as I said, it's not realistic to think that opening and reading a file is going to beat opening and reading a directory for speed.

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