As a new Twine maintainer I've been running into questions like:
* Now that Warehouse doesn't use "register" anymore, can we deprecate it from distutils, setuptools, and twine? Are any other package indexes or upload tools using it? https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues/311
* It would be nice if Twine could depend on a package index providing an HTTP 201 response in response to a successful upload, and fail on 200 (a response some non-package-index servers will give to an arbitrary POST request).
I do not see specifications to guide me here, e.g., in the official guidance on hosting one's own package index https://packaging.python.org/guides/hosting-your-own-index/ . PEP 301 was long enough ago that it's due an update, and PEP 503 only concerns browsing and download, not upload.
I suggest that I write a PEP specifying an API for uploading to a Python package index. This PEP would partially supersede PEP 301 and would document the Warehouse reference implementation. I would write it in collaboration with the Warehouse maintainers who will develop the reference implementation per pypa/warehouse/issues/284 and maybe add a header referring to compliance with this new standard. And I would consult with the maintainers of packaging and distribution tools such as zest.releaser, flit, poetry, devpi, pypiserver, etc.
Per Nick Coghlan's formulation, my specific goal here would be close to:
> Documenting what the current upload API between twine & warehouse actually is, similar to the way PEP 503 focused on describing the status quo, without making any changes to it. That way, other servers (like devpi) and other upload clients have the info they need to help ensure interoperability.
Since Warehouse is trying to redo its various APIs in the next several months, I think it might be more useful to document and work with the new upload API, but I'm open to feedback on this.
After a little conversation here on distutils-sig, I believe my steps would be:
1. start a very early PEP draft with lots of To Be Determined blanks, submit as a PR to the python/peps repo, and share it with distutils-sig
2. ping maintainers of related tools
3. discuss with others at the packaging sprints https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingSprints next week
4. revise and get consensus, preferably mostly on this list
5. finalize PEP and get PEP accepted by BDFL-Delegate
6. coordinate with PyPA, maintainers of `distutils`, maintainers of packaging and distribution tools, and documentation maintainers to implement PEP compliance
Thoughts are welcome. I originally posted this at https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues/128 .
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Changeset Consulting
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I am fairly sure if you give the PyPA that suggestion, they will just deflate at the thought of the workload. Besides, we already offer private repos for free, several ways ranging from devpi to python -m SimpleHTTPServer in a specially created directory.
From: Python-ideas <python-ideas-bounces+tritium-list=sdamon.com(a)python.org> On Behalf Of Nick Humrich
Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 12:26 PM
To: python-ideas(a)python.org
Subject: [Python-ideas] Pypi private repo's
I am sure this has been discussed before, and this might not even be the best place for this discussion, but I just wanted to make sure this has been thought about.
What if pypi.org <http://pypi.org> supported private repos at a cost, similar to npm?
This would be able to help support the cost of pypi, and hopefully make it better/more reliable, thus in turn improving the python community.
If this discussion should happen somewhere else, let me know.
Nick
The weekend of October 27-28, simultaneously in London, UK and New York
City, USA, Bloomberg will host a Python packaging and distribution tools
event. Please mark your calendars!
If you live in North America or Europe and would need assistance to
attend this as a mentor/helper, watch for more details in July.
If you live outside of the US or UK and would need an invitation letter
to get a visa to travel to one of these sprints, please write to Kevin
P. Fleming at Bloomberg, kpfleming AT bloomberg DOT net, and he'll start
setting you up.
Details:
Thanks to Bloomberg for their generosity. They're already a Platinum PSF
sponsor, and they'll host this, pay for a maintainers'/mentors' dinner
the night before, provide clusters of cloud virtual machines for the
attendees to use, and book and pay for some contributors' lodging and
travel.
This'll be an opportunity to advance Python packaging/distro tools,
teach new contributors (including many Bloomberg employees), and yeah,
if you want to get to know Bloomberg for career reasons, that too. :)
We hope mentors can arrive Thursday night 25 Oct, do prep, setup, and
dinner on Friday, then participate Sat-Sun, then leave Sunday evening or
Monday.
We'll be putting more details on these lists (distutils-sig and
pypa-dev) and at https://wiki.python.org/psf/PackagingSprints .
Thanks to Bloomberg folks Mario Corchero and Henry Kleynhans in London
and Kevin P. Fleming in New York City for coordinating this, and thanks
especially to Mario and to Paul Ganssle for suggesting it!
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Sumana Harihareswara
Changeset Consulting
https://changeset.nyc
Today, LWN published my new article "A new package index for Python".
https://lwn.net/Articles/751458/ In it, I discuss security, policy, UX
and developer experience changes in the 15+ years since PyPI's founding,
new features (and deprecated old features) in Warehouse, and future
plans. Plus: screenshots!
If you aren't already an LWN subscriber, you can use this subscriber
link for the next week to read the article despite the LWN paywall.
https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/751458/81b2759e7025d6b9/
This summary should help occasional Python programmers -- and frequent
Pythonists who don't follow packaging/distro discussions closely --
understand why a new application is necessary, what's new, what features
are going away, and what to expect in the near future. I also hope it
catches the attention of downstreams that ought to migrate.
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Warehouse project manager
Changeset Consulting
https://changeset.nyc
Hi,
pip is currently not well integrated on Linux: it conflicts with the
system package manager like apt or rpm. When pip writes files into
/usr, it can replace files written by the system package manager and
so create different kind of issues. For example, if you check the
system integry, you will likely see that some Python files have been
modified.
I would like to open a discussion to see how each Linux vendor handles
the issue, and see if a common solution can be designed.
Debian uses /usr for apt-get install and /usr/local for distutils and
"sudo pip".
Fedora decided to change pip to install files into /usr/local by
default, instead of /usr, so "sudo pip install" doesn't replace files
installed by dnf (Fedora package manager):
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Making_sudo_pip_safe
It gives you 3 main places to install Python code: /usr (managed by
dnf), /usr/local (managed by sudo pip), $HOME/.local (managed by pip
--user).
Would it make sense to make the Fedora/Debian change upstream? At
least, give an opt-in option for Linux vendors to use /usr/local?
I propose to make the change upstream because there are still issues,
and I don't want to be alone to have to fix them :-) It should be
easier if we agree on a filesystem layout and an implementation, so
we can collaborate on issues!
Issues with the current Fedora implementation:
(1) When Python is embedded in an application, there is an issue with
the current heuristic to decide if /usr/local should be added to
sys.path:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1532287
(2) On Fedora, "sudo pip install -U" currently removes old code from
/usr and install the new one in /usr/local. We should leave /usr
unchanged, since only dnf should touch /usr.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1550368#c24
The implementation is made of a single patch on the Python site module:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python3/blob/master/f/00251-change-use...
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There are two issues related to the "sudo pip" change, but they
already exist when pip is installed in $HOME/.local:
(3) Priority issue between PATH and PYTHONPATH directories.
When the user runs "pip", the pip binary may come from /usr,
/usr/local or $HOME/.local/bin, but the Python pip module ("import
pip") may come from a different path. Which binary and which module
should be used?
Obvisouly, users can replace these two environment variables...
(4) Related to (3). Running "pip" may run pip binary of one pip
version, but pick the "pip" Python module of another pip version.
For example, pip9 binary from /usr/bin/pip, but pip10 module from /usr/local.
Fedora works around issue (4) with a downstream patch on pip:
https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-pip/blob/master/f/pip9-allow-pi...
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I don't well well how Linux distributions handle the issue with "sudo
pip". So don't hesitate to correct me if I'm wrong :-) My goal is
just to start a discussion about a common "upstream" solution.
Victor
Hello everyone,
I've been looking for a way to ensure that certain modules don't end
up in a wheel, while the rest of the package they reside in does. If I
only cared about sdist, I could add a MANIFEST.in, in which I'd
exclude those specific files, however, unfortunately, MANIFEST.in has
no effect on bdists (at least of the wheel kind).
The use case is that our application auto-generates a parser and lexer
with ply, and that parser might not work with different versions of
ply. Since we don't have a whole lot of control over what version
users have installed in their environments, we'd like to generate
those modules in the target environment.
I took a deep dive into distutils and setuptools, and as far as I can
see, any Python modules residing inside a package listed in the
packages argument to setup() are included in the distribution
unconditionally. Searching this mailing list only reveals a short
thread from nine years ago [1] without any solution...
For now, the easiest hacky solution for me is to add a couple of
os.remove calls to setup.py, but I'm not a big fan of setup.py messing
with the source tree.
And as a follow-up question, is there any post-installation hook that
we could use to trigger regeneration of those files?
Any ideas?
Michal
[1]: https://mail.python.org/mm3/archives/list/distutils-sig@python.org/messag...
Not exactly sure if this is the issue, but my appveyor test script contains
testenv\scripts\pip.exe install --cache-dir=dist --find-links file:dist reportlab
where in turn reportlab setup.py contained install_requires=['pillow>=2.4.0'].
After an upgrade sometime between Apr 26 and May 18 this started to fail because pip could no longer find a pillow>=2.4.
> "=============================== Python27 TEST START"
> 941c:\Python%PYTHON%\python.exe -mvirtualenv testenv
> 942New python executable in C:\projects\reportlab\testenv\Scripts\python.exe
> 943Installing setuptools, pip, wheel...done.
> 944testenv\scripts\pip.exe install --cache-dir=dist --find-links file:dist reportlab
> 945Looking in links: file:dist
> 946Collecting reportlab
> 947Collecting pillow>=2.4.0 (from reportlab)
> 948 Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pillow>=2.4.0 (from reportlab) (from versions: )
> 949No matching distribution found for pillow>=2.4.0 (from reportlab)
> 950Command exited with code 1
> 951myenv\scripts\python.exe -mrl_ci_tools email --subject="!!!!! APPVEYOR %APPVEYOR_PROJECT_NAME% build failed" --faddr=rl-wheelbuilder --body="see https://ci.appveyor.com/project/MrRLBitBucket/%PROJECT_NAME%/history"
I had assumed that pip would fail to find pillow in the dist folder and then move on to somewhere more useful eg pypi, but with
pip 10.0.1 this seems not to happen. It's easy to fix with a separate install of the, but what is the correct way to indicate
dependencies which will allow installation from my freshly built wheel?
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Robin Becker
I'm trying to install python 3.5.5 on RHEL without root. I used the referenced --prefix to identify where the install is (per webpage). This worked in 3.5.4. PIP installs, but fails to install other modules. Searching for a solution I found a reference to an external way to upgrade PIP to a version where this problem is supposed to be resolved. I obtainde get_pip.py and ran it, but it too fails (below) for TLS issues. Policy says I have to obscure anything related to my company, hence the paths have been edited in this email. Are there any other solutions?
bash-3.2$ which python
<installpathObscuredbyPolicy>/Python-3.5.5/python
-bash-3.2$ python <homepathObscuredbyPolicy >/python/get-pip.py
Collecting pip
/tmp/tmp9qehrweu/pip.zip/pip/_vendor/urllib3/util/ssl_.py:339: SNIMissingWarning: An HTTPS request has been made, but the SNI (Subject Name Indication) extension to TLS is not available on this platform. This may cause the server to present an incorrect TLS certificate, which can cause validation failures. You can upgrade to a newer version of Python to solve this. For more information, see https://urllib3.readthedocs.io/en/latest/advanced-usage.html#ssl-warnings
Retrying (Retry(total=4, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)': /simple/pip/
Retrying (Retry(total=3, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)': /simple/pip/
Retrying (Retry(total=2, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)': /simple/pip/
Retrying (Retry(total=1, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)': /simple/pip/
Retrying (Retry(total=0, connect=None, read=None, redirect=None, status=None)) after connection broken by 'SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)': /simple/pip/
Could not fetch URL https://pypi.org/simple/pip/: There was a problem confirming the ssl certificate: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='pypi.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /simple/pip/ (Caused by SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)) - skipping
Could not find a version that satisfies the requirement pip (from versions: )
No matching distribution found for pip
Could not fetch URL https://pypi.org/simple/pip/: There was a problem confirming the ssl certificate: HTTPSConnectionPool(host='pypi.org', port=443): Max retries exceeded with url: /simple/pip/ (Caused by SSLError(SSLError(1, '[SSL: TLSV1_ALERT_PROTOCOL_VERSION] tlsv1 alert protocol version (_ssl.c:719)'),)) - skipping
Hello here!
TL;DR: Should I use requirements.txt, or should I have my dependencies
only listed inside setup.py?
Long version:
The two most common ways to have dependencies listed in a python package
are either having them listed both in setup.py and requirements.txt
files, or having them only listed in requirements.txt and then import
them using some `parse_requirements` methods.
In the projects which I am currently working on there are five lists of
requirements:
- requirements.txt
- requirements_test.txt
- requirements_dev.txt
- install_requires inside setup.py
- tests_require inside setup.py
I wanted to remove duplicities, so I thought about removing the setup.py
lists and parse the dependencies from the requirements*.txt files.
But then I came across this, https://stackoverflow.com/a/28842733, which
recommends using a `dev` entry in `extras_require` and then using `pip
install -e .[dev]` to install them, which could be easily extended to
also have a `pip install -e .[test]`.
I find this a very clean option, since it reduces the amount of files
the repository and makes setup.py and makes setup.py self-contained.
Are any known drawbacks to this approach? Is it a good way to go?
Regards,
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https://www.pythiac.com
Pythia Consulting - Data Science as a Service
Hi all,
Python 3.7 is steadily approaching its final release and I start wondering
a) when will be the right time to start uploading 3.7 binary wheels on PyPI?
b) if/when manylinux2010 happens, does that mean that I should build both
manylinux1 and manylinux2010 variants?
Thank you in advance,
ciao, lele.
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