Distutils-SIG May 2020

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Failure: Error
by oliviajohn123123＠hotmail.com 21 Sep '20

21 Sep '20

facing same NOt found issue the issue code is "C:\Users\jaraco\projects\distutils_namespace\myns.projB\test\testBasic.py", can you guide me for this ? https://thelifefoundry.com/hotmail/

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Improving Communication
by Donald Stufft 30 Jul '20

30 Jul '20

Currently in the packaging space, we have a number of avenues for communication, which are: - distutils-sig - pypa-dev - virtualenv-users - Other project specific mailing lists - IRC - gitter - Various issue trackers spread across multiple platforms. - Probably more places I’m not remembering. The result of this is that all discussion ends up being super fractured amongst the various places. Sometimes that is exactly what you want (for instance, someone who is working on the wheel specs probably doesn’t care about deprecation policy and internal module renaming in pip) and sometimes that ends up being the opposite of what you want (for instance, when you’re describing something that touches PyPI, setuptools, flit, pip, etc all at once). Theoretically the idea is that distutils-sig is where cross project reaching stuff goes, IRC/gitter is where real time discussion goes, and the various project mailing lists and issue trackers are where the project specific bits go. The problem is that often times doesn’t actually happen in practice except for the largest and most obvious of changes. I think our current “communications stack” kind of sucks, and I’d love to figure out a better way for us to handle this that solves the sort of weird “independent but related” set of projects we have here. From my POV, a list of our major problems are: * Discussion gets fractured across a variety of platforms and locations, which can make it difficult to actually keep up with what’s going on but also to know how to loop in someone relevant if their input would be valuable. You have to more or less simultaneously know someone’s email, Github username, IRC nick, bitbucket username, etc to be able to bring threads of discussion to people’s attention. * It’s not always clear to users where a discussion should go, often times they’ll come to one location and need to get redirected to another location. If any discussion did happen in the incorrect location, it tends to need to get restarted in the new location (and depending on the specific platform, it may be impossible to actually redirect everyone over to the proper location, so you again, end up fractured with the discussion happening in two places). * A lot of the technology in this stack is particularly old, and lacks a lot of the modern day affordances that newer things have. An example is being able to edit a discussion post to fix typos that can hinder the ability of others to actually understand whats being talked about. In your typical mailing list or IRC there’s no mechanism by which you can edit an already sent message, so your only option is to either let the problem ride and hope it doesn’t trip up too many people, or send an additional message to correct the error. However these show up as additional, later messages which someone might not even see until they’ve already been thoroughly confused by the first message (since people tend to read email/IRC in a linear fashion). - There is a lot of things in this one, other things are things like being able to control in a more fine grained manner what email you’re going to get. - Holy crap, formatting and typography to make things actually readable and not a big block of plaintext. * We don’t have a clear way for users to get help, leaving users to treat random issues, discussion areas, etc as a support forum, rather than some place that’s actually optimized for that. Some of this ties back into some of the earlier things too, where it’s hard to actually redirect discussions These aren’t *new* problems, and often times the existing members of a community are the least effected becasue they’ve already spent effort learning the ins and outs and also curating a (typically custom) workflow that they’ve grown accustomed too. The problem with that is that often times that means that new users are left out, and the community gets smaller and smaller as time goes on as people leave and aren’t replaced with new blood, because they’re driven off but the issues with the stack. A big part of the place this is coming from, is me sitting back and realizing that I tend to be drawn towards pulling discussions into Github issues rather than onto the varying mailing lists, not because that’s always the most appropriate place for it, but because it’s the least painful place in terms of features and functionality. I figure if I’m doing that, when I already have a significant investment in setting up tooling and being involved here, that others (and particularly new users) are likely feeling the same way. - Donald

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FASTEN and dependency analysis at call graph level
by Sumana Harihareswara 16 Jul '20

16 Jul '20

Last week I heard for the first time about the research project FASTEN https://www.fasten-project.eu/. "FASTEN stands for Fine-Grained Analysis of Software Ecosystems as Networks." > instead of analyzing dependencies at the package level, we will analyze them at the call graph level! This will allow us to be super precise when we are tracking dependencies, when we do change impact analysis, when we recommend clients to update packages etc. It will also open the door to new sophisticated applications, e.g. licensing compliance, dependency risk profiling and data-driven API evolution. That's from the blog post by Georgios Gousios, the PI, at http://www.gousios.gr/blog/Introducing-Fasten.html . More info: https://www.fasten-project.eu/view/Main/Introduction https://www.fasten-project.eu/view/Main/Overview https://www.fasten-project.eu/view/Main/Contacts And people who are interested in dynamically and statically analyzing call graphs in Python may be interested in "Graph Schema and its representation" in https://www.fasten-project.eu/view/Main/Deliverables . I've sent a note to FASTEN inviting the team to come talk about their project here on distutils-sig, because FASTEN's site says they aim to eventually integrate into PyPI -- I'm not 100% sure whether that means "create a service that people can use WITH PyPI" or "get FASTEN's work incorporated into pypi.org". -- Sumana Harihareswara pip project manager on contract with Python Software Foundation Changeset Consulting https://changeset.nyc

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Announcement: Pipenv Beta Release
by Dan Ryan 28 May '20

28 May '20

Greetings all! I am happy to announce that after a long hiatus, there is a pre-release of pipenv available for testing. You can read the full announcement at https://discuss.python.org/t/announcement-pipenv-beta-release/4051 I look forward to your feedback. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Ryan Software Engineer | Pipenv Maintainer Canonical, Ltd. | Python Packaging Authority dan.ryan(a)canonical.com | dan(a)danryan.co

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Announcement: pip 20.2b1 release
by Paul Moore 21 May '20

21 May '20

A new beta release of pip, 20.2b1 has been released! You can install it by running `python -m pip install --upgrade --pre pip`. This release is mainly intended for users interested in testing the new resolver code (available via the `--unstable-feaure=resolver` option to pip). Apart from the resolver, there are only a couple of changes over the current stable (20.1.1) release of pip. However, as we move closer to having a feature-complete release of the new resolver, we wanted to provide an updated snapshot of the new resolver functionality, to allow people interested in helping us with the testing to get access to the latest changes that have been made. Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this release, and in particular to all of the people who have tested and provided feedback on the new resolver so far! On behalf of the pip maintainers, Paul Moore

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pip UX studies: Test pip's new resolver and help us document dependency conflicts
by Bernard Tyers - Sane UX Design 21 May '20

21 May '20

Hi there, It's Bernard and Nicole from the pip Team. The team is working on the improving the way that pip resolves package dependency conflicts. We're asking for your help to test pip's new resolver. We're especially interested in hearing from people who have projects with complex dependencies. By complex dependencies we mean projects that look like this: - have at least 10 package dependencies - some package are pinned to specific versions - that you always have a dependency issue when installing it - you have to put in hacks, workarounds, or fixes Currently, we’re trying to discover all the ways in which pip‘s dependency resolver fails, so that we can work out what error messages and/or debugging information we should display. You can find out what we'd like you to do on this blog post: http://www.ei8fdb.org/thoughts/2020/05/test-pips-alpha-resolver-and-help-us… If you're into social media, we'd appreciate if you'd boost these messages too: https://twitter.com/nlhkabu/status/1263132447971172352 https://social.ei8fdb.org/@bernard/104205537250874117 You can sign-up for other UX Studies also: http://www.ei8fdb.org/thoughts/2020/03/pip-ux-study-recruitment/ If you've got any questions, reply here off or on-list. Thanks, Bernard & Nicole pip Team UX -- Bernard Tyers, User research & Interaction Design Sane UX Design Twitter: @bernardtyers PGP Key: keybase.io/ei8fdb I am currently working with the Python Foundation, and Open Technology Fund

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Fwd: [tuf] TUF Community Meeting
by Sumana Harihareswara 20 May '20

20 May '20

Heads-up if you are interested in PyPI's implementation of TUF. -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [tuf] TUF Community Meeting Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:58:05 -0700 From: Marina Moore To: theupdateframework@g....com Hello, The next TUF community meeting will be Wednesday May 27 at 10am ET at https://meet.jit.si/TUFCommunityMeeting <https://meet.jit.si/TUFCommunityMeeting>. Please let me know if there is anything you would like to discuss with the TUF community or if you have any questions. A draft agenda is available at https://hackmd.io/jdAk9rmPSpOYUdstbIvbjw <https://hackmd.io/jdAk9rmPSpOYUdstbIvbjw> and will be updated as more agenda items are proposed. I hope to see you there. Thanks, Marina -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Update Framework (TUF)" group..... To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/theupdateframework/CAMyDYMeykSshKwBh-g6_R… <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/theupdateframework/CAMyDYMeykSshKwBh-g6_R…>.

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invoking pep 540 -X utf8 for a console_script?
by Philip Austin 19 May '20

19 May '20

The https://executablebooks.org project has a jupyter-book excutable that wraps sphinx via a console_script. We'd like to ensure UTF8 everywhere when windows users run that script. Would be grateful for a pointer on how best to accomplish this.

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Installing Python Modules
by Thory Coquillo 13 May '20

13 May '20

Hello, I'm using the current version of Python on both a MacBook Pro and an iMac. I'm trying to import the pygame module from the terminal. The problem is that it's applying the module to Python 2.7 that came with the computer. Is there a way that I can correct the path so that every command I enter in the Terminal gets applied to whichever current version of Python that I'm running? Let me know. Thanks, Thory

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How should virtualenv handle the seed pip version
by Bernat Gabor 10 May '20

10 May '20

Please vote (and share your thoughts) on how you think virtualenv should handle what pip you get by default on new virtual environment creation: https://discuss.python.org/t/how-should-virtualenv-behave-respective-of-see… Thanks, Bernat

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