I'm noticing a trend that depending on setuptools is discouraged[1] in the install_requires of your setup.py. However, some packages like pyramid have core features that depend on pkg_resources (which is part of setuptools). Thus, we depend on it. As I've monitored distutils-sig I haven't seen any talk of separating these packages. To me, requiring the use of pkg_resources is a very valid use-case for depending on setuptools as it provides many improvements over the basic `pkgutil.get_data` API. Since I'm not aware of a workaround for this problem, and I'm seeing setuptools be categorically discouraged, perhaps I am just unaware and need to be enlightened? Thanks! [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/distutils-sig/2014-October/025131.html