On 25 Jun 2013 22:47, "Cédric de Saint Martin" email@example.com wrote:
On 24 juin 2013, at 23:24, Tres Seaver firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
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On 06/24/2013 05:06 PM, Reinout van Rees wrote:
Uninstalling distribute? Nice for those with the distribute they got from their Ubuntu package...
Those users need to be lobbying their distro to release a 'python-setuptools' 0.7.x package to get them out of the dead end they are in.
I'm sorry but... Do we really need the distributions to be updated to
have "normal users" able to use buildout?
I don't want to start a flame war, but the release/merge of
setuptools/distribute gave many users bad headaches.
The recent activity on setuptools is really great. The merge was the best
thing that could have happened. But honestly, our team already having lost several days of work because of the 0.7 release that didn't work (because of distribute or many different things), when you say "please wait 4 months that a new major release of Ubuntu is out (because I don't think they'll switch so easily to new setuptools in a minor release) so that your users can use buildout", i'm getting mad.
I haven't said anything until now, because I know it's *hard* to make
this work and be released as expected. But please, take into consideration that the vast majority of setuptools/distribute users don't give a shit about this (most of them don't even know what it is), but they just want something that works without having to loose half a day. Ideally, it should be completely transparent for the user. In the worst case, he should have to do something trivial.
I still feel that there is no good reason not to release (for real, i.e
on the cheeseshop and so on) a dummy distribute 0.7 depending on setuptools 0.7. Maybe I missed a point? Would it break even more things?
That was done originally, but it broke pip badly and hence was withdrawn almost immediately. Once pip has been updated to handle it, it will be restored to PyPI.
Distribute deprecated and must-be-eradicated? Well, the same was said of the virtually unmaintained setuptools. Remember the use-pip-plus-distribute soviet-style propaganda images?
I remember the propaganda, but never bought it. People who *do* buy
propaganda have some reponsibility for the consequences, no?
I don't know why distribute users should bear the pain caused by the bad original maintainership of setuptools...
I think you are missing the point: a distribute 0.7 meta-release is *for* those users, because it allows them to upgrade from distribute 0.6.x into the brave new post-merge world. Jason says that there are some reports that pip cannot upgrade to distribute 0.7.x: I cannot reproduce that myself.
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