On Nov 3, 2018, at 5:16 PM, Paul Moore <p.f.moore@gmail.com> wrote:
Which is largely irrelevant, as this is much less about decision makers and much more about building consensus. I don't know how we build any form of consensus if the whole community isn't communicating in a shared discussion :-(
Honestly. I’m not that worried about it. I suspect whoever is making some particular decision whether that is me, you, or some new system that one of the governance PEPs will come up with will have some preferred location for discussion regarding the decisions that decision making authority makes. Beyond that I don’t really think anything has changed. It was already the case that discussion gets spread over multiple venues. As an example, the PEP 440 discussion spread over distutils-sig, a PR to the packaging repo, IRC, Twitter (both public and DMs), and private email threads. I don’t think that PEP 440 was unique in that regards. Generally whenever the “official discussion” is happening will have people summarizing from the other locations where discussion is happening to bolster their own argument or provide context. This might end up that PyPI PEPs have their “official discussion” area to be discourse and the Interoperability PEPs have their “official discussion” continue to be disutils-sig and each of us is going to have a harder time participating in the other kind of PEP. I don’t think that’s a resolvable problem though. It’s also possible that nobody follows me over to the new place and I’m left to discuss there alone and I’ll be forced to continue to follow this mailing list or be shut out of discussions completely (or the reverse that everyone else will like the new forum and won’t want to even use distutils-sig at all and you’ll be forced to adapt or be shut out). I think it’s likely that discussions will happen both places, at least for awhile and then one or the other will wither away. I dunno. I tried to be pretty explicit that I’m not trying to shut down disutils-sig for the people who prefer it, I’m just personally slowly losing my ability to follow mailing list threads at all without burning myself out. So I’m trying to see if I can use a discussion forum that suits me better. If people find that useful great. If not— well at least I tried. I don’t begrudge anyone who wants to continue to use a different forum.