I finally started working on the docs.python.org updates for PEP 453 tonight, and I'm just not seeing much salvageable information in http://docs.python.org/3/install/index.html. While it was a big step forward back in 1998, it seems to me that it has simply been left unmaintained for too long, and I think leaving that content in there for 3.4 will do more harm than good. The content won't be lost: not only will it continue to exist in source control, but I won't be touching the 2.x docs at http://docs.python.org/2/install/index.html. With that content gone from the end user installation guide in 3.4+, it can become just a very, very simple introduction to the core pip commands, and then a reference out to the packaging user guide for more info. Thoughts? Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia