On Mon, 27 Jun 2016 at 12:21 Ralf Gommers <ralf.gommers@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Pradyun Gedam <pradyunsg@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello List!

I feel it’s fine to hold back the other changes for later but the
upgrade-strategy change should get shipped out to the world as quickly as
possible. Even how the change is exposed the user can also be discussed later.
What do you mean by "ship" if you say the behavior can still be changed later?

Sorry for the confusion and a useless-mail! Allow me to re-phrase that statement...

I think it's fine if we hold back the changes to install-as-upstall and --target for later. The
upgrade-strategy change should get released to the world as quickly as
possible. If no one has any outstanding issues with switching over to non-eager upgrades by default, may we start a discussing on how the change is to be exposed the user?

I request the list members to focus on only the change of the default
upgrade strategy to be non-eager.

Does anyone have any concerns regarding the change of the default upgrade
strategy to be non-eager? If not, let’s get just that shipped out as soon as possible.
The concerns were always with how to change it

There were security-related concerns raised by Robert which were addressed [1] by Donald.

one of:
(1) add "pip upgrade"
(2) change behavior of "pip install --upgrade"
(3) change behavior of "pip install"

Your sentence above suggests you're asking for agreement on (2), but I think you want agreement on (3) right? At least that was the conclusion of your PEP-style writeup.

As it stands, we currently have (3) implemented (as proposed in that write-up) since that was what was extensively discussed and decided over at Github. If no one has issues with it, let's go ahead with it. If there is anyone has issues, I'm fine with going (2) as well. I do not like (1) due to the weird model it creates providing 2 ways to do what most people would see as one thing.

Basically, If we were voting, -1 for (1), +0.5 for (2), +1 for (3).

Personally I don't have a preference anymore, as long as a choice is made so we don't remain stuck where we are now.

Ralf

[1] There's probably a better word for this than "addressed".

Pradyun Gedam