-- Brian Kirsch Internationalization Architect / Mail Service Engineer Open Source Applications Foundation 543 Howard Street 5th Floor San Francisco, CA 94105 http://www.osafoundation.org distutils-sig-request@python.org wrote: > Send Distutils-SIG mailing list submissions to > distutils-sig@python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > distutils-sig-request@python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > distutils-sig-owner@python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Distutils-SIG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs (Jeff Rush) > 2. Re: A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs (Phillip J. Eby) > 3. A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs (Jeff Rush) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:01:53 -0500 > From: Jeff Rush jeff@taupro.com > Subject: [Distutils] A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs > To: python-announce-list@python.org, python-list@python.org, > distutils-sig@python.org, dfwpython@dfwpython.org > Message-ID: 452D0761.3020104@taupro.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Eggs are important to Python and will become more so over the next few years, > if understood and embraced by the community. They are a key competitive > feature - I've been asked so many times what is the Python equivalent to CPAN > and finally we're developing an answer. > > At PyCon 2007 we need a solid set of talks about eggs, broken down into just > using them, how to build and distribute them, and then an advanced talk on > some of the more exotic aspects of eggs. At PyCon 2006, essentially the 3rd > talk I mention above was given to a standing-room-only audience, and then > repeated against an hour later as people in the hall could not get in. But > missing were the first two talks - many people were not ready for advanced > material but sought an introduction. > > Who in our community is building eggs on a frequent basis, and is good at > explaining how they work? > > Below are three talk outlines I've sketched out, along with the slides from a > talk I tossed together for the Dallas Pythoneers group. They need polish and > I'm donating them to the cause. > > Will someone please step forward and address this critical need? > > For revision, links to the three wiki outline pages appear on: > http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/TalkIdeas > > --- > Python Eggs - Using and Installing Them > > * What is so cool about eggs? Wow me. > * What problem were they intended to solve? > * What is their relation to distutils? > * So how does distutils work then? > * How do they compare to CPAN and RPM approaches? > * Sound good, how do I enable eggs on my system? > * How do I accomplish common operations? > o install an egg > o test install an egg, to see if it would work > o uninstall an egg > o list what eggs are installed at the moment > o switch between the versions of an egg > * I don't trust eggs - how can I partially install one, > examine it and then finish the installation? > * How do I find out what eggs exist, and their names? > * What about py2exe and droplets? Competing approaches? > * Show me a walkthru of the cheeseshop - how to find a package. > * How do I figure out the author of an egg I'm having trouble with? > > --- > Python Eggs - Creating and Distributing Them > > * Where does distutils fit in? > * What do I need to add to setup.py to package my software as an egg? > * How does it work re path configuration files? > * What are the issues with zipped eggs; how can my code access my data? > * How do I produce cross-platform eggs? > * How do I produce platform-specific eggs? > * How do I get my eggs registered on the cheeseshop? > * How do I upload my eggs, source and binaries? > * How can I volunteer as a packager for non-egg authors? > * Some eggs are broken in the cheeseshop - how can I help? > > (Keep this talk simple and focused on _just_ getting your vanilla egg packaged > and uploaded. Defer the advanced egg issues to the third talk). > > --- > Python Eggs - Advanced Packaging > > * What are entry points? > * How does dynamic discovery/plugins work? > * I hear Trac uses them - how? > * What are extras? They sound nifty! > * What is a namespace package? When and how do I use them? > * How can I have multiple distribution versions? > * I hear eggs can detect files under CVS/subversion > control - how does that work? > * Also eggs have support for units tests - how? > * Where do the egg experts hang out? > > An Old Talk of mine about Eggs (from which to borrow slides/ideas): > > * Attach:2006-03-25-AboutPythonEggs.odt > * Attach:2006-03-25-AboutPythonEggs.pdf > > -Jeff > Co-Chair PyCon 2007 > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 11:35:04 -0400 > From: "Phillip J. Eby" pje@telecommunity.com > Subject: Re: [Distutils] A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs > To: Jeff Rush jeff@taupro.com, distutils-sig@python.org > Message-ID: > 5.1.1.6.0.20061011112731.0273d698@sparrow.telecommunity.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > On all of these items, I can certainly help with providing answers to > questions that a speaker may or may not know about currently. I don't know > if I will be able to give any talks myself; my PyCon plans (if any) are not > finalized yet. > > I do suggest you ask Kevin Dangoor and Ian Bicking if they are interested; > both of them are good at presenting the stuff I dreamed up a year or so > before, whereas I tend to present stuff I'm still in the middle of > developing. :) > > I also think you might need to break the first talk into two talks, unless > the timeslots for talks have expanded significantly this year. :) > > At 10:01 AM 10/11/2006 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: > >> Python Eggs - Using and Installing Them >> >> * What is so cool about eggs? Wow me. >> * What problem were they intended to solve? >> * What is their relation to distutils? >> * So how does distutils work then? >> * How do they compare to CPAN and RPM approaches? >> * Sound good, how do I enable eggs on my system? >> * How do I accomplish common operations? >> o install an egg >> o test install an egg, to see if it would work >> o uninstall an egg >> o list what eggs are installed at the moment >> o switch between the versions of an egg >> * I don't trust eggs - how can I partially install one, >> examine it and then finish the installation? >> * How do I find out what eggs exist, and their names? >> * What about py2exe and droplets? Competing approaches? >> * Show me a walkthru of the cheeseshop - how to find a package. >> * How do I figure out the author of an egg I'm having trouble with? >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:01:53 -0500 > From: Jeff Rush jeff@taupro.com > Subject: [Distutils] A Call for a Presenter on Python Eggs > To: python-announce-list@python.org, python-list@python.org, > distutils-sig@python.org, dfwpython@dfwpython.org > Message-ID: 452D0761.3020104@taupro.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Eggs are important to Python and will become more so over the next few years, > if understood and embraced by the community. They are a key competitive > feature - I've been asked so many times what is the Python equivalent to CPAN > and finally we're developing an answer. > > At PyCon 2007 we need a solid set of talks about eggs, broken down into just > using them, how to build and distribute them, and then an advanced talk on > some of the more exotic aspects of eggs. At PyCon 2006, essentially the 3rd > talk I mention above was given to a standing-room-only audience, and then > repeated against an hour later as people in the hall could not get in. But > missing were the first two talks - many people were not ready for advanced > material but sought an introduction. > > Who in our community is building eggs on a frequent basis, and is good at > explaining how they work? > > Below are three talk outlines I've sketched out, along with the slides from a > talk I tossed together for the Dallas Pythoneers group. They need polish and > I'm donating them to the cause. > > Will someone please step forward and address this critical need? > > For revision, links to the three wiki outline pages appear on: > http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/TalkIdeas > > --- > Python Eggs - Using and Installing Them > > * What is so cool about eggs? Wow me. > * What problem were they intended to solve? > * What is their relation to distutils? > * So how does distutils work then? > * How do they compare to CPAN and RPM approaches? > * Sound good, how do I enable eggs on my system? > * How do I accomplish common operations? > o install an egg > o test install an egg, to see if it would work > o uninstall an egg > o list what eggs are installed at the moment > o switch between the versions of an egg > * I don't trust eggs - how can I partially install one, > examine it and then finish the installation? > * How do I find out what eggs exist, and their names? > * What about py2exe and droplets? Competing approaches? > * Show me a walkthru of the cheeseshop - how to find a package. > * How do I figure out the author of an egg I'm having trouble with? > > --- > Python Eggs - Creating and Distributing Them > > * Where does distutils fit in? > * What do I need to add to setup.py to package my software as an egg? > * How does it work re path configuration files? > * What are the issues with zipped eggs; how can my code access my data? > * How do I produce cross-platform eggs? > * How do I produce platform-specific eggs? > * How do I get my eggs registered on the cheeseshop? > * How do I upload my eggs, source and binaries? > * How can I volunteer as a packager for non-egg authors? > * Some eggs are broken in the cheeseshop - how can I help? > > (Keep this talk simple and focused on _just_ getting your vanilla egg packaged > and uploaded. Defer the advanced egg issues to the third talk). > > --- > Python Eggs - Advanced Packaging > > * What are entry points? > * How does dynamic discovery/plugins work? > * I hear Trac uses them - how? > * What are extras? They sound nifty! > * What is a namespace package? When and how do I use them? > * How can I have multiple distribution versions? > * I hear eggs can detect files under CVS/subversion > control - how does that work? > * Also eggs have support for units tests - how? > * Where do the egg experts hang out? > > An Old Talk of mine about Eggs (from which to borrow slides/ideas): > > * Attach:2006-03-25-AboutPythonEggs.odt > * Attach:2006-03-25-AboutPythonEggs.pdf > > -Jeff > Co-Chair PyCon 2007 >