On 4 September 2015 at 15:02, Marcus Smith <qwcode@gmail.com> wrote:

Can anyone summarize the state of ensurepip for the major linux distros.

Do any currently include a version that leaves ensurepip intact? If not, will any? Moreover, would any ever also bootstrap pip for you?

python in Fedora depends on python-pip, and then bundles the system version back up with rewheel for installation into Python virtual environments. With RPM gaining weak dependency support, that dependency will potentially shift from a Requires to a Recommends, but that will still mean pip and ensurepip work by default. For Python 3.x on RHEL/CentOS, the EPEL Python 3.x stacks work the same way Fedora does (currently python34 only, but there'll be a python35 stack after the Fedora 23 beta is out the door and folks start working on upgrading Fedora Rawhide to Python 3.5 - with the work still needed to finish the "Python 3 as system Python" migration, we unfortunately weren't able to pursue a Python 3.5 migration at the same time) The Python 2.7 and Python 3.x Software Collections also provide pip by default. For system wide installations of Python 2.x, RHEL/CentOS require that python-pip be installed manually from EPEL, and that's unlikely to change (we'd prefer folks switch to using a more easily updated Software Collection runtime instead of running directly in the system Python). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan@gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia