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anatoly techtonik

27 Oct 2013 27 Oct '13

1:49 a.m.

I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base. Please merge this one. https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

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Richard Jones

27 Oct 27 Oct

6:53 p.m.

I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks. Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft. Richard On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

anatoly techtonik

6:58 p.m.

Thanks. Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

Richard Jones

7 p.m.

I'm not sure what you mean by it sounding "enterprisey" except perhaps just the name? On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy...

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-- anatoly t.

anatoly techtonik

28 Oct 28 Oct

12:02 a.m.

I mean that the name CheeseShop has more human touch in it than Warehouse. -- anatoly t. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I'm not sure what you mean by it sounding "enterprisey" except perhaps just the name?

On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

Noah Kantrowitz

12:20 a.m.

Warehouse is the internal project name, and will be just one software component of the service collectively known as PyPI. That said, Donald started it so by law of the jungle he can call it whatever he wants as long as I don't get phone calls from the FBI. --Noah On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:02 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I mean that the name CheeseShop has more human touch in it than Warehouse. -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I'm not sure what you mean by it sounding "enterprisey" except perhaps just the name?

On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

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Alex Clark

5:23 a.m.

Noah Kantrowitz writes:

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Warehouse is the internal project name

Heh, well if we are bike shedding: IIRC, CheeseShop fell out of favor for being too casual and/or too much of an inside joke.

Donald Stufft

6:29 a.m.

Like Noah said, it’s just an internal name to make it easier to talk about the web application portion of PyPI so we don’t have to say pypi the web app vs PyPI the service/website. I thought the name was funny :( You put packages in a Warehouse :3 On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

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Warehouse is the internal project name, and will be just one software component of the service collectively known as PyPI. That said, Donald started it so by law of the jungle he can call it whatever he wants as long as I don't get phone calls from the FBI.

--Noah

On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:02 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I mean that the name CheeseShop has more human touch in it than Warehouse. -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I'm not sure what you mean by it sounding "enterprisey" except perhaps just the name?

On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes to improve code base.

Please merge this one.

https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... -- anatoly t.

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Nick Coghlan

8:50 a.m.

On 28 Oct 2013 21:29, "Donald Stufft" wrote:

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Like Noah said, it’s just an internal name to make it easier to talk

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web application portion of PyPI so we don’t have to say pypi the web app vs PyPI the service/website.

Right, PyPI.next is an installation of Warehouse, but it makes sense to separate the identity of the software from the particular service.

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I thought the name was funny :( You put packages in a Warehouse :3

Yeah, the name's fine. Cheers, Nick.

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On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

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Warehouse is the internal project name, and will be just one software

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--Noah

On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:02 PM, anatoly techtonik

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-- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate

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to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones < r1chardj0n3s@gmail.com> wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project

component of the service collectively known as PyPI. That said, Donald started it so by law of the jungle he can call it whatever he wants as long as I don't get phone calls from the FBI. perhaps just page on

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bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code > to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated > framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in > internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes > to improve code base. > > Please merge this one. > > > https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... > -- > anatoly t.

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anatoly techtonik

9:10 a.m.

Warehouse sounds scary. Thousands of pythons in packages were constantly delivered to Warehouse, to be taken away by cold internet machines and work for strange mechanisms. =) I am ok with tmp name. So, is there any plans or Roadmaps for Warehouse? I mean it is no good if nobody is going to approve pull request things until Warehouse is ready. -- anatoly t. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:

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Like Noah said, it’s just an internal name to make it easier to talk about the web application portion of PyPI so we don’t have to say pypi the web app vs PyPI the service/website.

I thought the name was funny :( You put packages in a Warehouse :3

On Oct 28, 2013, at 1:20 AM, Noah Kantrowitz wrote:

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Warehouse is the internal project name, and will be just one software component of the service collectively known as PyPI. That said, Donald started it so by law of the jungle he can call it whatever he wants as long as I don't get phone calls from the FBI.

--Noah

On Oct 27, 2013, at 10:02 PM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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I mean that the name CheeseShop has more human touch in it than Warehouse. -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:00 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I'm not sure what you mean by it sounding "enterprisey" except perhaps just the name?

On 28 October 2013 10:58, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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Thanks.

Warehouse sounds very enterprisey. Any Roadmap for that, estimate time to become operational? I'd need some features right now and not next PyCon. Also, am I right that bus factor for this stuff is one? -- anatoly t.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:53 AM, Richard Jones wrote:

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I have merged that PR but I really don't see any point in making any changes to the current codebase beyond fixing significant issues. Cleaning it up is not a priority. I've merged this PR to clean up the PyPI project page on bitbucket a little, but I would ask that no further cosmetic PRs be submitted, thanks.

Warehouse is the name of the next version of PyPI being developed by Donald Stufft.

Richard

On 27 October 2013 17:49, anatoly techtonik wrote: > > I've heard that there is PyPI 2.0, but I still find current PyPI code > to be very suitable for educational purposes (unlike some complicated > framework based solutions, where much of the stuff is hidden in > internals of external lib abstractions), so I continue to send fixes > to improve code base. > > Please merge this one. > > > https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/pull-request/6/remove-unused-templatetoolspy... > -- > anatoly t.

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Fred Drake

9:15 a.m.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Donald Stufft wrote:

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I thought the name was funny :( You put packages in a Warehouse :3

And Warehouse 13 is where the troublesome packages are stored. :-) -Fred -- Fred L. Drake, Jr. <fred at fdrake.net> "A storm broke loose in my mind." --Albert Einstein

Donald Stufft

9:17 a.m.

On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:10 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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So, is there any plans or Roadmaps for Warehouse? I mean it is no good if nobody is going to approve pull request things until Warehouse is ready.

Currently Warehouse is focused on: A) Getting API compatibility with the current implementation [1] B) Getting a UI in place that can replace the existing UI [2] Overall as I think of more things we need for Warehouse to “Become PyPI” I add it to the “Becoming PyPI” milestone [3] [1] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues/58 [2] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues/63 [3] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues?milestone=1&state=open ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA

anatoly techtonik

30 Oct 30 Oct

1:17 a.m.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:

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On Oct 28, 2013, at 10:10 AM, anatoly techtonik wrote:

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So, is there any plans or Roadmaps for Warehouse? I mean it is no good if nobody is going to approve pull request things until Warehouse is ready.

Currently Warehouse is focused on:

A) Getting API compatibility with the current implementation [1] B) Getting a UI in place that can replace the existing UI [2]

Overall as I think of more things we need for Warehouse to “Become PyPI” I add it to the “Becoming PyPI” milestone [3]

[1] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues/58 [2] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues/63 [3] https://github.com/dstufft/warehouse/issues?milestone=1&state=open

So, how long will it take? Do you have a (two-)weekly schedule for features/fixes you want in? It would be nice to get some approximation. Also it looks like "all-or-nothing" approach. One of the WSGI features is to chain web apps together. Do you feel it is possible to run PyPI + nextgen side by side? Daytime, XMLRPC, JSON, RSS, upload API from #58 - these seem like they can be decoupled from persistence layer and reused for both backends on some point. Rewriting interfaces from scratch doesn't guarantee that behavior will match. -- anatoly t.

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