As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend to live on bitbucket. Git projects can live in either place although I suspect they tend to live on GitHub instead. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

From: http://python-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.org/en/latest/glossary/

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Python Packaging Authority (PyPA) PyPA is a working group that maintains many of the relevant projects in Python packaging. They maintain a site at https://www.pypa.io, host projects on github and bitbucket, and discuss issues on the pypa-dev mailing list.

Why are there pypa on github and bitbucket?

Is one the master and the other the mirror?

Or does one host part A and the other hosts part B?

Regards, Thomas Güttler

-- http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

I'm slowly working on something to transfer the issues, then it might be feasible to move things into one place as people agree. However currently I'm without a personal PC, so no open source work for me -- Ronny Am 5. November 2015 20:27:15 MEZ, schrieb "Thomas Güttler" :

Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

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As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend to live on bitbucket. Git projects can live in either place although I suspect they tend to live on GitHub instead.

Is there really a need for this?

Which parts are on bitbucket and which are on github?

Regards, Thomas Güttler

-- http://www.thomas-guettler.de/ _______________________________________________ Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig

MFG Ronny

On November 5, 2015 at 2:27:36 PM, Thomas Güttler (guettliml@thomas-guettler.de) wrote:

Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

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As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend to live on bitbucket. Git projects can live in either place although I suspect they tend to live on GitHub instead.

Is there really a need for this?

Which parts are on bitbucket and which are on github?

PyPA is not really a “top down” organization in a way that we can just dictate what VCS (or VCS hosting) that the sub projects are allowed to use. The only rules PyPA can have are ones that all of the maintainers of the sub projects agree with. Thus, if we want to standardize around one VCS or VCS hosting location we’d need everyone who isn’t conforming to that to change, and if they are OK with changing there is nothing stopping them from moving right now and having a defacto standard immediately. ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA

On November 5, 2015 at 3:18:19 PM, Thomas Güttler (guettliml@thomas-guettler.de) wrote:

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I just ask myself why this was not done from the start: find a consensus. Of course I see that it is very hard to change the current state.

Basically: Historical reasons. The name “PyPA” was a joke by the pip/virtualenv developers and it was only pip and virtualenv so it was on Github. At some point setuptools started being maintained again but it was in Hg on Bitbucket. Those two projects already existed and packaging started to improve and we sort of adopted the “PyPA” moniker for everything. At that point projects were already in a particular VCS and it was easier to just allow people to pick what VCS they wanted their project to use than attempt to standardize on one. It’s not really that big of a deal though, on the list of things to worry about it’s pretty low on it. ----------------- Donald Stufft PGP: 0x6E3CBCE93372DCFA // 7C6B 7C5D 5E2B 6356 A926 F04F 6E3C BCE9 3372 DCFA

On 5 November 2015 at 20:40, Marcus Smith wrote:

https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/history/

maybe even funnier that we have a history page, but it's easy to forget all that's happened, so I made one awhile back...

Wow distutils was released in 2000, 15 years ago. I remember when it happened. I feel really old now :-) Paul

Am 05.11.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

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Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

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As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend to live on bitbucket. Git projects can live in either place although I suspect they tend to live on GitHub instead.

Is there really a need for this?

Is there a need for letting project creators work as they please with the VCS they prefer? Why not if it makes them more efficient maintainers.

If the projects are unrelated then every maintainer should use what he prefers. If the projects are related and maintained by one group (PyPa), then there should be **one** hosting platform. - my opinion - Regards, Thomas Güttler -- http://www.thomas-guettler.de/

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

Am 05.11.2015 um 20:35 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

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On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Thomas Güttler wrote:

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Am 04.11.2015 um 21:14 schrieb Ian Cordasco:

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As I understand it, some people prefer Mercurial. Those projects tend to live on bitbucket. Git projects can live in either place although I suspect they tend to live on GitHub instead.

Is there really a need for this?

Is there a need for letting project creators work as they please with the VCS they prefer? Why not if it makes them more efficient maintainers.

If the projects are unrelated then every maintainer should use what he prefers. If the projects are related and maintained by one group (PyPa), then there should be **one** hosting platform. - my opinion -

That's super helpful. Thanks

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Marcus Smith wrote:

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Basically: Historical reasons. The name “PyPA” was a joke by the pip/virtualenv developers and it was only pip and virtualenv so it was on Github.

here's an anecdote.... per the pypa.io history page, 'Other proposed names were “ianb-ng”, “cabal”, “pack” and “Ministry of Installation”'

https://www.pypa.io/en/latest/history/

maybe even funnier that we have a history page, but it's easy to forget all that's happened, so I made one awhile back...

Oh man, too bad “Ministry of Installation” was not chosen, my favorite! -- Paul Eipper