Mailman 3 October 2012 - docs

[issue8595] Unexpected default timeout in http-client-related libraries
by Julian 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

New submission from Julian <python_org(a)somethinkodd.com>: Since Python 2.6, httplib has offered a timeout parameter for fetches. As the documentation explains, if this parameter is not provided, it uses the global default. What the document doesn't explain is httplib builds on top of the socket library. The socket library has a default timeout of None (i.e. forever). This may be an appropriate default for general sockets, but it is a poor default for httplib; typical http clients would use a timeout in the 2-10 second range. This problem is propagated up to urllib2, which sits on httplib, and further obscures that the default might be unsuitable. >From an inspection of the manuals, Python 3.0.1 suffers from the same problem except, the names have changed. urllib.response sits on http.client. I, for one, made a brutal mistake of assuming that the "global default" would be some reasonable default for fetching web pages; I didn't have any specific timeout in mind, and was happy for the library to take care of it. Several million successful http downloads later, my server application thread froze waiting forever when talking to a recalcitrant web-server. I imagine others have fallen for the same trap. While an ideal solution would be for httplib and http.client to use a more generally acceptable default, I can see it might be far too late to make such a change without breaking existing applications. Failing that, I would recommend that the documentation for httplib, urllib, urllib2, http.client and urllib.request (+ any other similar libraries sitting on socket? FTP, SMTP?) be changed to highlight that the default global timeout, sans deliberate override, is to wait a surprisingly long time. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation, Library (Lib) messages: 104763 nosy: docs@python, oddthinking priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Unexpected default timeout in http-client-related libraries type: behavior versions: Python 2.6, Python 2.7, Python 3.1 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue8595> _______________________________________

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[issue8822] datetime naive and aware types should have a well-defined definition that can be cross-referenced
by anatoly techtonik 28 Dec '20

28 Dec '20

New submission from anatoly techtonik <techtonik(a)gmail.com>: 'naive' and 'aware' are key datetime types - they need a proper definition and anchor for crossrefences. If you take a look at http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html - the definition of distinction between them is too vague and this seeds of uncertainty grow through the rest of the doc. It is not said how to make non-naive object, how to detect if object of naive or aware. All this stuff is very important for troubleshooting datetims issues in Python projects. It needs a proper documentation. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 106524 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: datetime naive and aware types should have a well-defined definition that can be cross-referenced _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue8822> _______________________________________

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[issue14586] TypeError: truncate() takes no keyword arguments
by Guy Taylor 15 Dec '20

15 Dec '20

New submission from Guy Taylor <thebigguy.co.uk(a)gmail.com>: The Python docs suggest that io.IOBase.truncate' should take a keyword argument of 'size'. However this causes a 'TypeError': TypeError: truncate() takes no keyword arguments Suggest that the docs are changed to 'truncate(size)' or CPython is changed to allow the keyword. http://docs.python.org/py3k/library/io.html?highlight=truncate#io.IOBase.tr… http://docs.python.org/library/io.html?highlight=truncate#io.IOBase.truncate ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation, Interpreter Core files: test.py messages: 158308 nosy: TheBiggerGuy, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: TypeError: truncate() takes no keyword arguments type: behavior versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.2 Added file: http://bugs.python.org/file25219/test.py _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue14586> _______________________________________

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[issue15104] abusive language in __name__ description
by anatoly techtonik 01 Dec '20

01 Dec '20

New submission from anatoly techtonik <techtonik(a)gmail.com>: http://docs.python.org/library/__main__.html "It is this environment in which the idiomatic “conditional script” stanza causes a script to run" ?!? ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 163140 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: abusive language in __name__ description _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue15104> _______________________________________

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[issue13341] Incorrect documentation for "u" PyArg_Parse format unit
by Ilya Novoselov 30 Nov '20

30 Nov '20

New submission from Ilya Novoselov <ilya.novoselov(a)gmail.com>: Documentation states that u format unit returns "buffer of 16-bit Unicode (UTF-16) data" while it returns pointer to internal buffer of unicode data, which is either UCS-16 or UCS-32 http://docs.python.org/c-api/arg.html ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation, Unicode messages: 147002 nosy: Ilya.Novoselov, docs@python, ezio.melotti priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Incorrect documentation for "u" PyArg_Parse format unit type: behavior versions: Python 2.7 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13341> _______________________________________

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[issue13875] cmd: no user documentation
by anatoly techtonik 17 Nov '20

17 Nov '20

New submission from anatoly techtonik <techtonik(a)gmail.com>: http://docs.python.org/library/cmd.html# Documentation for cmd module is poor to explain the value of this module to users. Intro is too abstract - phrase "simple framework for writing line-oriented command interpreters" doesn't mean much. Perhaps word "interactive" is missing? So, there is no part explaining the what cmd does exactly (intro fails) and no part explaining the main principle - How exactly does this framework allows to do this in a simple way? (I guess reference part under 'Cmd objects -> Cmd.cmdloop([intro]) -> p[4]` does that, but it is not the place you'd usually expect this info. At the very least what could be done is a link to Doug's tutorial http://www.doughellmann.com/PyMOTW/cmd/ ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 152010 nosy: docs@python, techtonik priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: cmd: no user documentation _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13875> _______________________________________

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[issue9538] Replace confusing pseudoname 'object' in special methods section.
by Terry J. Reedy 17 Nov '20

17 Nov '20

New submission from Terry J. Reedy <tjreedy(a)udel.edu>: In 3.3. Special method names, 'object' is used as a pseudo class name to prefix all the special method entries. This conflicts with the usual two Python meanings. 1. 'object' is the name of a specific class. So the entry for object.__getattribute__(self, name) says to avoid circularity by calling object.__getattribute__(self, name), which looks circular and requires a bit a mental work by the reader to properly understand. Ditto for object.__setattr__(self, name, value) calling object.__setattr__(self, name, value) 2. Non-specifically, 'object' is usually understood to mean any Python object, not just a class. But the signatures as written require that 'object' specifically be a class and 'object' does not convey that. So for both reasons, I propose that the pseudoname 'object' be replaces with 'class' or 'someclass' ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 113194 nosy: docs@python, georg.brandl, terry.reedy priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Replace confusing pseudoname 'object' in special methods section. versions: Python 3.2 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue9538> _______________________________________

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[issue13561] os.listdir documentation should mention surrogateescape
by Michael Foord 16 Nov '20

16 Nov '20

New submission from Michael Foord <michael(a)voidspace.org.uk>: Where os.listdir encounters undecodable bytes from the filesystem it uses the surrogateescape handler. As the resulting strings are invalid they can't be encoded without an errorhandler, and so can't be printed (for example). This should be documented. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 149070 nosy: docs@python, michael.foord priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: os.listdir documentation should mention surrogateescape versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue13561> _______________________________________

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[issue14338] urllib2 HowTo for overriding post/3xx behavior.
by beeNuts 15 Nov '20

15 Nov '20

New submission from beeNuts <jeff.adams(a)linux.com>: Issue #14144, with the title "urllib2 HTTPRedirectHandler not forwarding POST data in redirect" was recently closed with these comments: "This could be cookbook recipe style example, if it's utility value is high. I am closing this issue as I feel that the requirement may not be addressed by a change. If there is patch for HowTo, we can tackle that in another issue. Thank you for contribution." The decision that documents on this issue were preferable to a patch seems like a fair compromise, especially considering that the RFC is decidedly ambiguous.I was wondering if the HowTo would be forthcoming? It seems to me that the value/utility would certainly be high. I'd submit it myself but I'm so new to Python that I don't trust my ability to do it correctly. It's something I would find highly useful, though. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 156080 nosy: beerNuts, docs@python priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: urllib2 HowTo for overriding post/3xx behavior. versions: Python 3.3 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue14338> _______________________________________

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[issue10709] Misc/AIX-NOTES needs updating
by Antoine Pitrou 11 Nov '20

11 Nov '20

New submission from Antoine Pitrou <pitrou(a)free.fr>: Sébastien, would you like to provide an updated version of that file? The current contents look hopelessly outdated. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 124024 nosy: docs@python, pitrou, sable priority: normal severity: normal stage: needs patch status: open title: Misc/AIX-NOTES needs updating versions: Python 2.7, Python 3.1, Python 3.2 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report(a)bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue10709> _______________________________________

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