Jurko Gospodnetić added the comment: Or, if you do not want to get into the specifics of how to manually install setuptools/pip, it would probably be better to just refer the user to the 'ensurepip' module for the initial installation and tell him to upgrade whatever is needed from there without going in to any further details here. 'ensurepip' module itself is documented elsewhere (https://docs.python.org/3.4/library/ensurepip.html), and that documentation should perhaps be updated to include enough information (or references to external documentation containing that information) for the user to be able to perform the upgrades. Best regards, Jurko Gospodnetić ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <http://bugs.python.org/issue21034> _______________________________________