[issue32824] Docs: Using Python on a Macintosh has bad info per Apple site
New submission from Frank Griswold <py.griswolf@spamgourmet.com>: This chunk of docs has bad info in both Python2 and Python3 docs: 4.1.3. Configuration Python on OS X honors all standard Unix environment variables such as PYTHONPATH, but setting these variables for programs started from the Finder is non-standard as the Finder does not read your .profile or .cshrc at startup. You need to create a file ~/.MacOSX/environment.plist. See Apple’s Technical Document QA1067 for details. If you search for QA1067, you are informed that the document is legacy and unsupported, with a suggestion for where to look now. That suggested link leads to a 404. Searching the apple site, I find that at least some thoughtful developers think that configuring the environment isn't even possible, generally; and isn't considered good form even if so. Here: https://forums.developer.apple.com/message/217422 I have no problem setting things for my terminal, as a longtime (unix) user, but for others, this section probably needs a complete examination with an eye toward making it current. quite possibly by reorganizing it. ---------- assignee: docs@python components: Documentation messages: 312023 nosy: docs@python, griswolf priority: normal severity: normal status: open title: Docs: Using Python on a Macintosh has bad info per Apple site type: enhancement _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
Ned Deily <nad@python.org> added the comment: Thanks for the reminder. Yes, the whole "Using Python on a Macintosh" section is very much out-of-date and needs a complete rewrite. It has been on my To Do list for a long time; I'll see what I can do to expedite it. ---------- assignee: docs@python -> ned.deily nosy: +ned.deily priority: normal -> high stage: -> needs patch versions: +Python 2.7, Python 3.6, Python 3.7, Python 3.8 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment: So, how do we wake this sleeping concern up? ---------- nosy: +TotallyLost _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
Rémi Lapeyre <remi.lapeyre@henki.fr> added the comment: Hi Gleen, the best way forward is to propose an improvement to the current documentation. It will get reviewed and merge if appropriate. The source for this part is at https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Doc/using/mac.rst and you can find the information needed to contribute in the Python Dev Guide: https://devguide.python.org/. ---------- nosy: +remi.lapeyre _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment: Thank you Remi
On May 9, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rémi Lapeyre <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
Rémi Lapeyre <remi.lapeyre@henki.fr> added the comment:
Hi Gleen, the best way forward is to propose an improvement to the current documentation. It will get reviewed and merge if appropriate.
The source for this part is at https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Doc/using/mac.rst and you can find the information needed to contribute in the Python Dev Guide: https://devguide.python.org/.
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Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment: Thank you, but how in the world does one know where to look or find that document at github. I tried to search earlier and got hundreds of listings for python doc. Sent from my iPhone
On May 9, 2020, at 16:36, Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> wrote:
Thank you Remi
On May 9, 2020, at 4:15 PM, Rémi Lapeyre <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
Rémi Lapeyre <remi.lapeyre@henki.fr> added the comment:
Hi Gleen, the best way forward is to propose an improvement to the current documentation. It will get reviewed and merge if appropriate.
The source for this part is at https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/master/Doc/using/mac.rst and you can find the information needed to contribute in the Python Dev Guide: https://devguide.python.org/.
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Change by Ronald Oussoren <ronaldoussoren@mac.com>: ---------- components: +macOS nosy: +ronaldoussoren _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
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Change by Irit Katriel <iritkatriel@yahoo.com>: ---------- versions: +Python 3.10, Python 3.11, Python 3.9 -Python 2.7, Python 3.6, Python 3.7, Python 3.8 _______________________________________ Python tracker <report@bugs.python.org> <https://bugs.python.org/issue32824> _______________________________________
Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment: I see that this remains alive. I do have a newer question. Apple continues to say that they are going to drop all their included versions of python and I believe ruby in some future version of macOS. I thought that this would happen in Big Sur, but python versions 2.7.16 still remains with us, why, I don’t know.
On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Irit Katriel <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
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Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment: Here is a copy of the Apple Python call as of April 29, 2021. To my way of thinking it seems that Apple is saying that someday they will indeed eliminate all the included “scripting” software from macOS and they further imply that one should install an. Up-to-date version of one’s particular chosen software. Last login: Thu Apr 29 08:22:47 on console % python WARNING: Python 2.7 is not recommended. This version is included in macOS for compatibility with legacy software. Future versions of macOS will not include Python 2.7. Instead, it is recommended that you transition to using 'python3' from within Terminal. Python 2.7.16 (default, Feb 28 2021, 12:34:25) [GCC Apple LLVM 12.0.5 (clang-1205.0.19.59.6) [+internal-os, ptrauth-isa=deploy on darwin Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 4:25 PM, Glenn Travis <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
Glenn Travis <pbfuddle@comcast.net> added the comment:
I see that this remains alive. I do have a newer question. Apple continues to say that they are going to drop all their included versions of python and I believe ruby in some future version of macOS. I thought that this would happen in Big Sur, but python versions 2.7.16 still remains with us, why, I don’t know.
On Apr 28, 2021, at 3:21 PM, Irit Katriel <report@bugs.python.org> wrote:
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Tomy Hsieh