Ezio Melotti added the comment: If the width is specified with a percentage, a min-width should be specified too. In the py3k doc the sidebar can be collapsed though, so I'm not sure it's worth changing this. Georg? ---------- keywords: +easy stage: -> needs patch _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Ezio Melotti added the comment: The min-width is necessary in case the CSS is changed to resize the sidebar dynamically. If it gets too narrow it would start getting unusable and the text will start overflowing. Possible alternatives are: 1) use a percentage and min-width; 2) like 1) but also collapse the sidebar automatically when its width gets smaller than the min-width; 3) leave a fixed width but make the sidebar mouse-resizable (that will conflict with the collapsibility though and is less trivial to do); ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Ezio Melotti added the comment: I did some tests using 20% instead of 230px and found the following problems: 1) while zooming, even if the width of the sidebar doesn't change, the font size does, overflowing from the sidebar; 2) min-width can't be used because the width of the sidebar is given by the margin-left of the bodywrapper, and there's no min-margin-left property that can be used instead; The font size can probably be changed to fit the width of the sidebar, but the min-width problem remains (I'm thinking about small screens -- e.g. smartphones -- where the sidebar would end up having a width of ~130-160px (I haven't (yet) tested it there though)). ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Christopher Dunn added the comment: For narrow-width screens, there really shouldn't be a sidebar. Maybe a dynamic element would be better. Could it unhide and overlap the main body with a click or mouse-over? Then the main body could take the full screen width. Just an idea. ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Éric Araujo added the comment: Also, laptops and handheld devices have a limited screen size. -1 on a pop-up, for obvious usability reasons. ---------- nosy: +eric.araujo _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Christopher Dunn added the comment: I was just trying to help fix the CSS, and I think I've done that. If we're reconsidering the behavior of the nav sidebar, then I'd like to point out that if you're far down the page, the sidebar is blank to your right. From a usability point of view, it's already broken. It was a neat idea, but a ToC for the page would serve the purpose better. My monitor is quite large, and rotated 90 degrees, so it's narrow and tall. A web-page can be infinitely long, but its practical width is limited to the user's screen, which is different for every user. That's why HTML was designed the way it is, with auto-word-wrap. When you have a bunch of stuff that you want to fit within a window, a sidebar makes more sense. For Python docs, I'd vote to drop it altogether, as attractive-looking as it is. But if you really want it, give it its own vertical scrollbar, so that a relevant portion is always visible. Then people can talk about dynamic controls. That's just my opinion. I created this bug because, when I zoon, the sidebar consumes most of my screen with no visible text. It's such a huge problem that I was afraid someone had already submitted this. ---------- _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Changes by Ezio Melotti : ---------- versions: +Python 3.4 -Python 3.1 _______________________________________ Python tracker http://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________

Change by Irit Katriel : ---------- versions: +Python 3.10, Python 3.8, Python 3.9 -Python 2.7, Python 3.2, Python 3.3, Python 3.4 _______________________________________ Python tracker https://bugs.python.org/issue10936 _______________________________________