OK, I lied: one last post. I see no problem with posting a message to whatever group seems most appropriate and including a pointer to the discussion on this thread. That's not "dragging edu-sig into a political role" it's simply avoiding rehashing what I think has been a fruitful discussion. This is a public forum, and we should be willing to bring the discussion that occurs here to others who might (should?) have an interest. --John On Friday 08 September 2006 11:41 am, kirby urner wrote:
On 9/8/06, Ian Bicking <ianb@colorstudy.com> wrote:
I don't understand your strong reaction. OK -- saying "if Python 3k takes away input() then I'm going to use Ruby" is pretty lame and will keep an opinion from being taken seriously. But all Doug was talking about was registering the opinion of people on edu-sig, who are not on the py-dev, and who care about these functions where most everyone else is merely indifferent. There's no formal process one way or the other; all you can do is register your opinion, there's no vote, it's not a democracy, but that doesn't mean that participation doesn't matter.
-- Ian Bicking | ianb@colorstudy.com | http://blog.ianbicking.org
We have PEPs, forums for debating them, venues in which it's the job of professionals to pay attention. What is someone to make of a "petition" showing up in an inbox, somehow stamped was belonging to Edu-Sig, which is native Python infrastructure. What's it supposed to mean? "Take me seriously just because I'm a Python SIG?" Why?
If someone wants to circulate a petition, fine, but don't drag edu-sig into it, is my attitude. That's not what edu-sig is about. It's not a political forum for teachers who are too lazy or otherwise preoccupied, to avoid doing their homework as to how Python's development process is already managed.
Do people send petitions to Linus Torvalds about what they'd like in the kernel? Maybe they do. Sounds pretty lame to me if they do.
I would hate to see edu-sig debased into some spectator group that sees its mission as kibbitzing about Python 3000, second guessing what the core language developers are up to. That'd just kill the worth of this group to me. I'd hate too see so much good work destroyed by politicians.
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