No, it was this one: https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560 (Thanks for pushing me to actually look it up!) The above link points to the second half of this edu summit presentation, by Chalmer Lowe. He described why certification is not easy, what some of the challenges are, and why we might want it. I'm a long-time open-source person, and always thought the idea of certification was silly and unnecessary. But this talk changed my mind, both indicating that it's important and useful, and that it's hard to create a useful and good certificate. But again, I think that getting a community-backed certification program could be really useful, especially now that (as Tomek noted) Microsoft has pulled out of this market. Reuven atpulley@tutanota.com wrote on 04/05/2022 12:57:
Was it this presentation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU>
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May 4, 2022, 09:04 by gabor.guta@proinbox.com:
Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and secret" may be solved: - there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.); - there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer. I'm very curious what other issues you consider.
Gabor
On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it, because it was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really opened my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good certification program -- but also the importance of having one run by the community, rather than companies.
I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some sort of PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit everyone in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and there are many issues to deal with, including the need for keeping the questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source project.
Reuven
Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
+1
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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