Hi, just wanted to mention, that http://dev.lshift.net/paul/rurple/ is a very nice and lightweit PLE. what I like most (compared to RurPLE) are: 1) variables watch list (if it had breakpoints, it would rock :) 2) ability to controll speed at runtime 3) "stone" make more sense than "beeper" :] by the way, variables list isn't packed in proposed .msi, so I did py2exe and archived, now one can start experimenting without any installation :) http://ftp.akl.lt/users/jurgis/python/RURPLE-NG-0.51%20%5bindependent%20exe%... *** P.s.: in my course: 1) I introduce to LOGO style graphics and Scratch first, loops, variables, conditionals, functions(messages) Even made a simple Karel style app http://scratch.mit.edu/projects/dz0/2759552 ps.: in Harvard they also start with Scratch ;) #from 46th minute http://www.academicearth.org/lectures/cs-50-week0f-introduction-bits-binary-... 1a) then propose Scratch translation to Python :) http://ftp.akl.lt/users/jurgis/scratch/python_flavour/ 2) then it's simple to do the same with RurPLE-NG + more 3) probably in the end will switch to turtle module, as it allows GUI interactions - what means games ;) Best Regards -- Jurgis Pralgauskis tel: 8-616 77613; Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;) http://galvosukykla.lt