In short, Bruce's interest in VPython is narrow.
A good part of that interest, I am afraid, may have been satisfied when he *got* his funding.
Not a nice thing to say, but the man has gotten to me, big time.
Art
OK. Unlike in the Disney case (Alan Kay, Squeak, SmallTalk et al), I'm not moved to define my own position vis-à-vis the VPython enterprise. I've not investigated, don't have a lot of eggs in that basket. I reserve the right to see the matter differently in future, but I think you're certainly entitled to the judgments you've reached (you care a lot about these things, and have a definite stake, having done lots of work on Pygeo), plus I'm in no mood to play defense lawyer for your opponent. I'm sure he's quite capable of defending himself (or, if not, then not).[1] Also, I don't think it's off-topic or mean-spirited to share assessments such as yours above on edu-sig. I'm not a listowner and don't set policies, but I think the exchange of opinions, in a frank and open manner, is healthy. I wouldn't condone a stupid flame war, but as long as we're talking over issues of substance, that have some bearing on Python in the education sphere, I think it's topical. Just my opinion. Self-servingly, I'm thereby excusing some of my own outbursts as well. But I'm also opening the door to others, and saying they shouldn't fear retribution in the form of being banned or ostracized. Again, I say this in no particularly official capacity -- just giving my sense of what feels appropriate to me. Others may differ (and I welcome their alternative takes). Kirby [1] Aside: that reminds me of a funny story. I asked my daughter to take out the music CD in the player and try another one that was more topical (more Christmas-y in this case). Then I said: "but if we don't like it, we might ask you to take it out too" -- maybe implying that she might get some blame for another bad choice. She said, referring to the CD: "hey, I'm not trying to be this thing's lawyer or anything." I thought that was funny. She's only 10.