Hello edu-sig, I'm really sorry to waste your time, but this is the only place I know to go to get a quick answer. I have mentioned here before that I am teaching intermediate Python at Symantec in June. Since they merged with another company last year, they have some new red tape that disallows one-person companies like myself to do business with them (it seems I don't have enough liability insurance - true - I have none!). To get around the system, I have to, among other things, "sell" them a Python book with a CD in it. (Don't ask me why - this is bean counting mentality at its best). Anyway, I can't find a worthy book with a CD. Most are out of date or too simple. (I wish Martelli's books had CDs!) Even John Zelle's excellent book, with has an accompanying CD, is too basic for our needs (it's an ideal CS1 book, of course). So: do you know of a book with a CD that is intermediate, or... do you know of a stand-alone CD product that covers some meaty Python? Thanks, and again, sorry to interrupt more profitable discussion. -- Best regards, -- Chuck Allison