So what's instead of reload in Python 3.x? I did some Googling, got stuff like: http://www.techlists.org/archives/programming/pythonlist/2007-08/msg04244.sh... I've been enjoying the EuroPython logo contest, lots of cool entries: http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2008/02/pythonic-art.html http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2008/02/new-entries.html Probably any books in production should take 3.x as the new standard right? Even if we go back to 2.x in the sidebars, to help new students understand an older code base. Running a2 on my Ubuntu Dell, with IDLE 'n everything. I haven't rewritten my own 4D Solutions code base yet, so it's not like I'm in a big hurry or anything. 3.x is in alpha, not in production. But books are different from electronic files, in terms of sheer bulk and lag time to market. Ending up on the culling table at Fry's too soon is bad for business. I anticipate fewer school books, more Safari-like services, even if you ask for hardcopy in places -- not by government edict (though govt still wastes too much paper IMO), more market forces, the result of individuals trying to stay up to date (like how *do* you, without a subscription? without RSS?). Kirby 4D
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:55 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@gmail.com> wrote:
So what's instead of reload in Python 3.x?
imp.reload() PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-) -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Last month one of ours gave it a "wicked awesome!" ;-) Cheers, Vern Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
-- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming. bb -- Brian Blais bblais@bryant.edu http://web.bryant.edu/~bblais
My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that. -Winston On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
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How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Winston Wolff <winstonw@stratolab.com> wrote:
My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that.
-Winston
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
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-- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
It depends on how motivated the kids are and how much time you've got, but I would tend to agree with the teacher - in my experience that amount of setup is likely to lose a fair number of them. One option might be GASP, which puts a LiveWires wrapper around pygame. Vern Guido van Rossum wrote:
How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Winston Wolff <winstonw@stratolab.com> wrote:
My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that.
-Winston
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
-- Brian Blais bblais@bryant.edu http://web.bryant.edu/~bblais
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-- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
I'd like to learn more about GASP (and whether it works on OSX) but I am having a hard time finding a recent download link to the sources. Is there someone here who has recently worked with it and remembers where they got it? I've found http://pypi.python.org/pypi/gasp/0.4.5 -- is that the latest? On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Vern Ceder <vceder@canterburyschool.org> wrote:
It depends on how motivated the kids are and how much time you've got, but I would tend to agree with the teacher - in my experience that amount of setup is likely to lose a fair number of them. One option might be GASP, which puts a LiveWires wrapper around pygame.
Vern
Guido van Rossum wrote:
How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Winston Wolff <winstonw@stratolab.com> wrote:
My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that.
-Winston
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
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--
This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
-- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
Have you tried https://launchpad.net/gasp ? That's the latest state of play, even though the version numbers might suggest otherwise... Vern Guido van Rossum wrote:
I'd like to learn more about GASP (and whether it works on OSX) but I am having a hard time finding a recent download link to the sources. Is there someone here who has recently worked with it and remembers where they got it? I've found http://pypi.python.org/pypi/gasp/0.4.5 -- is that the latest?
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Vern Ceder <vceder@canterburyschool.org> wrote:
It depends on how motivated the kids are and how much time you've got, but I would tend to agree with the teacher - in my experience that amount of setup is likely to lose a fair number of them. One option might be GASP, which puts a LiveWires wrapper around pygame.
Vern
Guido van Rossum wrote:
How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky.
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Winston Wolff <winstonw@stratolab.com> wrote:
My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that.
-Winston
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
-- Brian Blais bblais@bryant.edu http://web.bryant.edu/~bblais
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--
This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
-- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
Hello Guido and Vern- My Python students range from 11 to 16 years old. I agree that PyGame's setup is too long and laborious. So I use my own wrapper that reduces the setup code to two lines: import and create a Screen() object. I also wrote an IDLE replacement that runs the code in a separate process because PyGame was causing page faults if ran in a thread. You can get my PyGame wrapper (I call it moonunit) and IDE (I call it MakeBot), both available in one installer here: http://stratolab.com/misc/makebot/ and the source: http://stratolab.com/wiki/doku.php?id=Stratotools The Windows installer works fine on XP, I haven't tested on Vista. The Macintosh installer has not been updated to Leopard yet. I have it mostly running here, but there are some weird problems with OpenGL/ Numpy. -Winston On Feb 27, 2008, at 12:24 PM, Vern Ceder wrote:
It depends on how motivated the kids are and how much time you've got, but I would tend to agree with the teacher - in my experience that amount of setup is likely to lose a fair number of them. One option might be GASP, which puts a LiveWires wrapper around pygame.
Vern
Guido van Rossum wrote:
How old are your students? We are considering pygame, but the teacher is taken aback by the large amount of setup code needed. Also, running programs using pygame from IDLE on a Mac seems flaky. On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Winston Wolff <winstonw@stratolab.com
wrote: My students love anything to do with graphics. Even making a white rectangle on the screen and then redrawing it in red is cool. Also they love transparency--with PyGame, you can set the alpha and they love that.
-Winston
On Feb 26, 2008, at 9:09 PM, Brian Blais wrote:
On Feb 26, 2008, at Feb 26:8:22 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote:
PS. Just watched two groups of 8th grade middle school girls go through their first Python class. Cool! (That's what they said too. :-)
What did they cover in that class? I'd be curious to know what 8th graders consider "cool", after 1 class of programming.
bb
-- Brian Blais bblais@bryant.edu http://web.bryant.edu/~bblais
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-- This time for sure! -Bullwinkle J. Moose ----------------------------- Vern Ceder, Director of Technology Canterbury School, 3210 Smith Road, Ft Wayne, IN 46804 vceder@canterburyschool.org; 260-436-0746; FAX: 260-436-5137
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