I especially don't like when I spell peoples' names wrong. Me two years ago: """ When I taught Adventures in Open Source with Jerritt Collard this summer, we started with TCP/IP, explaining how it sits on top of Ethernet, the difference between TCP and UDP, the concept of ports, the concept of daemons connected to these ports, such as Apache on port 80. """ http://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2004-November/004108.html That's Jerritt Collord (lord, not lard), and former head of http://linuxfund.org/. Kirby