Re: [Edu-sig] real advice to a real student (comments welcome)
Can you suggest your student watch this video? http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/rsa-animate-drive It is Dan Pink's _The Surprising Truth About what Motivates Us_ After he or she has done so, I have this added bit. Turns out, in test after test after test, what people want in order to be happy with what they do is Autonomy, Mastery and Purpose. (It's also what you need to give them if you want them to do that job well.) I would add, not on Dan Pink's list, that the opportunity to work with interesting and good people also is a factor. This means that when you go out and consider what do I need to do or learn in order to have a job in IT, it is important to work something out so that you will end up doing something that you find worthwhile. Otherwise, you will just quit and find something else to do ... People who are about to study something are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to making sure that they get autonomy, mastery and purpose. After all, by deciding to talk to Kirby you are demonstrating idependence and autonomy, and whenever you decide to learn something, like Python you are working on Mastery. The Purpose of 'I am going to transform myself into a Skilled Python programmer' handles the Purpose part rather well, and learning things on your own handles the autonomy part about as well as it can be done. With all these aspects being well handled, it is easy to fool yourself into thinking that all life as a Python programmer will work this way. But once you have done sufficient learning as to be able to get a job, it is quite possible to end up doing something that isn't autonomous (your boss rides you all the time about the work that needs doing), isn't challenging (we aren't paying you to learn around here, just to do things that you already know how to do) and thus doesn't increase your sense of mastery, and is fairly pointless (if I weren't getting paid to do this, I would never do anything like this at all). As Dan Pink mentions, the thing to do about money is to pay people well enough that it no longer becomes a motivating issue, because people who are paid far too little are always thinking about money and not about the job. Now, if you are in the position of being dependent on your parents for any money you receive, you may be deep in the land of 'not getting paid enough for your effort' because you are not getting paid at all. And, indeed, your life will be greatly improved once you start earning a decent wage .... But at this point the other factors start becoming the most important ones, and if you haven't understood this, you can end up in a pointless (but decently paying) job that doesn't allow you to grow, controls you and stresses you out. By understanding the problem you can make sure you do not end up there. Best of luck in life, whatever you choose to do -- Laura Creighton
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> wrote:
Can you suggest your student watch this video? http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/rsa-animate-drive
It is Dan Pink's _The Surprising Truth About what Motivates Us_
After he or she has done so, I have this added bit.
A very worthwhile read. I have continued corresponding with this student and will share a link to this post. What's interesting in the cartoon / animation is where we start seeing shafts of light and here people just wanna be good (at something). That looks a lot like the religion model i.e. religion better answers these needs than businesses. But then immediately we have to ask: what's the difference (between religion and business -- both involve branding for example). In a way it's just our mental categories that get in the way. "We" (amorphous we) approach the world with messy namespaces. As I posted to a physics list recently: "The best religions are yet to come."
This saying pisses everyone off because:
(a) half the people sing "Imagine there's no religion" and imagine they know what they mean by that
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(b) the other half can't imagine "new religions" in the pipeline, still set to make their debut...
... but I assure you're they're there.
A lot of religions come with excellent science. Belief in God? Not always a feature.
Kirby @npym_it @thekirbster @psf_snake Python: Just Use It.
On Friday, January 16, 2015 10:47pm, "kirby urner" <kirby.urner@gmail.com> said:
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Laura Creighton <lac@openend.se> wrote:
Can you suggest your student watch this video? http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/rsa-animate-drive
It is Dan Pink's _The Surprising Truth About what Motivates Us_
After he or she has done so, I have this added bit.
A very worthwhile read. I have continued corresponding with this student and will share a link to this post.
What's interesting in the cartoon / animation is where we start seeing shafts of light and here people just wanna be good (at something).
That looks a lot like the religion model i.e. religion better answers these needs than businesses.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. As soon as the video started talking about trained professionals working 20-30 hours a week outside of their jobs, without pay, for a purpose, it reminded me of all my friends who are lay leaders in my church. These people are engineers, doctors, lawyers, pharmaceutical researchers, etc. and they put in 20+ hours per week in free service to others. Something powerful is motivating them.
But then immediately we have to ask: what's the difference (between religion and business -- both involve branding for example).
In a way it's just our mental categories that get in the way. "We" (amorphous we) approach the world with messy namespaces.
We are all human beings with a lot in common.
As I posted to a physics list recently:
"The best religions are yet to come."
This saying pisses everyone off because:
(a) half the people sing "Imagine there's no religion" and imagine they know what they mean by that
Thank you Kirby for having the courage to bring up the "R" word in this space, not as a curse word nor as an insult. I'm getting a bit tired of "that's a religious argument" being used as the ultimate put-down, meaning "that's an irrational argument". It gets old.
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(b) the other half can't imagine "new religions" in the pipeline, still set to make their debut...
As a committed Christian I am not offended by people who express religious beliefs different from mine, even if they are "new religions". Rather, I tend to empathize with, and understand, people who are sincere.
... but I assure you're they're there.
A lot of religions come with excellent science. Belief in God? Not always a feature.
A lot of great scientists (Newton, Mendel, Kelvin, etc.) were religious. Several of my friends in church are working scientists. Religion is not synonymous with irrationality.
Kirby @npym_it @thekirbster @psf_snake
Python: Just Use It.
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