Re: [Edu-sig] Getting more involved with education and the PSF...
Two questions: 1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page? 2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running for PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu summit. She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime. Here's what I remember that I had to do. 1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion) I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps. 2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received) Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this
conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running
for
PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu summit. She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
Great. Any chance someone could point me in the direction of "someone on the web support team"? I'll take it from there. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running for PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu summit. She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great. Any chance someone could point me in the direction of "someone on the web support team"? I'll take it from there.
I would try webmaster@python.org
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to
the
relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com
wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running for PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu
summit.
She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
Jeff: Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff. My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that? As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year. I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have). Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here. Thanks again for firing up this conversation. chalmer Chalmer Lowe, MS http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1 On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this
conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running
for
PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu summit. She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site. The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions. Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I read: * Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list. I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES. At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running for PSF board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu summit. She's been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 teachers.
Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
Jeff, I would be happy to be the coordinator. Next question is... What are the official duties of a SIG coordinator? : ) On May 23, 2014 10:40 AM, "Jeff Elkner" <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed
on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote: light the
relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <
jessanickel@gmail.com>
wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com
wrote: > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running > for > PSF > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > summit. > She's > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > teachers. > > Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
Let's see if Naomi has anything different to say, but doesn't it make sense that the main task of the edu-sig coordinator would be to coordinate the edu-sig's main event, the PES? On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff, I would be happy to be the coordinator. Next question is... What are the official duties of a SIG coordinator? : )
On May 23, 2014 10:40 AM, "Jeff Elkner" <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote: > > Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: > > 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering > if > there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). > 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to > bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal > indeed!). > > Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this > conversation? > > If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already > there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the > creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment > (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the > discussion. > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder > <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> > wrote: > > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of > > running > > for > > PSF > > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > > summit. > > She's > > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > > teachers. > > > > Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
I think the mailing list listowner role and coordinating PES are entirely separate roles. For example we could rotate the latter while keeping the former fixed for many years. The edu-sig page has never mentioned PES. I'd have no problem with Jeff doing both, but I see no reason to confuse the listowner responsibility with any specific event. Other Pycons besides the North American one will have their EduSummits most likely. No one person is going to coordinate them all. Kirby On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Let's see if Naomi has anything different to say, but doesn't it make sense that the main task of the edu-sig coordinator would be to coordinate the edu-sig's main event, the PES?
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff, I would be happy to be the coordinator. Next question is... What are the official duties of a SIG coordinator? : )
On May 23, 2014 10:40 AM, "Jeff Elkner" <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/,
I
read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net>
wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply
will
go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the > work > to > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was > a > k-12 > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with > my > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, > so > I do > have some experience in that area. > > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> > wrote: >> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: >> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering >> if >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal >> indeed!). >> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this >> conversation? >> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the >> discussion. >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder >> <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of >> > running >> > for >> > PSF >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu >> > summit. >> > She's >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 >> > teachers. >> > >> > Naomi > > _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:08 AM, kirby urner <kirby.urner@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the mailing list listowner role and coordinating PES are entirely separate roles.
For example we could rotate the latter while keeping the former fixed for many years.
The edu-sig page has never mentioned PES.
I'd have no problem with Jeff doing both, but I see no reason to confuse the listowner responsibility with any specific event.
Other Pycons besides the North American one will have their EduSummits most likely.
No one person is going to coordinate them all.
Kirby
+1
André
As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there is a strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the summit. In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't tied officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on the PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than Ewa, who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies events might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any. Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than lukewarm support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed as the official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but I do think committed individuals are often more effective at getting specific things done. :-) Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of Python education, I certainly wouldn't object. So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best." Cheers, Naomi On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed
on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com
wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote: light the
relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <
jessanickel@gmail.com>
wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Great! So it seems we have two short term goals:
1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering if there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal indeed!).
Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this conversation?
If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the discussion.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com
wrote: > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of running > for > PSF > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > summit. > She's > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > teachers. > > Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
-- Naomi Ceder https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
What I'm hoping for is broader participation and on-going effort in promoting Python in education. It makes sense to coordinate this effort with the PES, which could serve as a yearly gathering of folks who have been working together throughout the year. This is a good time to do this, following Van Lindberg's announcement of the new, community PSF and the call for more folks to get involved in the community. I think we should do this through the edu-sig for the following reasons: 1. The edu-sig is the currently existing group within the official Python community whose focus is Python in education. 2. The goal of the PES is the same as the goal of the edu-sig - to support and promote Python's use in education. Thoughts? If there is general agreement, I'd like to propose that we ask Chalmer to be the coordinator of the edu-sig for the next year and that he take the lead in organizing the PES as his main task. On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote:
As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there is a strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the summit.
In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't tied officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on the PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than Ewa, who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies events might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any.
Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than lukewarm support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed as the official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but I do think committed individuals are often more effective at getting specific things done. :-)
Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of Python education, I certainly wouldn't object.
So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best."
Cheers, Naomi
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, I read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply will go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the work to bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was a k-12 teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with my program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, so I do have some experience in that area.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote: > > Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: > > 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering > if > there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). > 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to > bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal > indeed!). > > Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this > conversation? > > If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already > there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the > creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment > (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the > discussion. > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder > <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> > wrote: > > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of > > running > > for > > PSF > > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > > summit. > > She's > > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > > teachers. > > > > Naomi
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
-- Naomi Ceder https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
If Chalmers steps up for both, fine, but I agree with Naomi: We should not make this a precedent. There is a real question of what edu-sig coordinator would mean, past monitoring the listserv. As has been the case historically, there is always the question of how to get volunteer effort together for what. Andy On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
What I'm hoping for is broader participation and on-going effort in promoting Python in education. It makes sense to coordinate this effort with the PES, which could serve as a yearly gathering of folks who have been working together throughout the year. This is a good time to do this, following Van Lindberg's announcement of the new, community PSF and the call for more folks to get involved in the community.
I think we should do this through the edu-sig for the following reasons:
1. The edu-sig is the currently existing group within the official Python community whose focus is Python in education. 2. The goal of the PES is the same as the goal of the edu-sig - to support and promote Python's use in education.
Thoughts? If there is general agreement, I'd like to propose that we ask Chalmer to be the coordinator of the edu-sig for the next year and that he take the lead in organizing the PES as his main task.
As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there is a strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the summit.
In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't tied officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on the PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than Ewa, who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies events might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any.
Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than lukewarm support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed as
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote: the
official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but I do think committed individuals are often more effective at getting specific things done. :-)
Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of Python education, I certainly wouldn't object.
So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best."
Cheers, Naomi
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/,
I
read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net>
wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply
will
go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the > work > to > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was > a > k-12 > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with > my > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, > so > I do > have some experience in that area. > > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> > wrote: >> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: >> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering >> if >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal >> indeed!). >> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this >> conversation? >> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the >> discussion. >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder >> <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of >> > running >> > for >> > PSF >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu >> > summit. >> > She's >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 >> > teachers. >> > >> > Naomi > > _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
_______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
-- Naomi Ceder https://plus.google.com/u/0/111396744045017339164/about
Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
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Sounds good to me, as long as we're clear that "promoting Python in education" is in no way limited to K-12. I'm a full time teacher of Python to adults and like to think edu-sig is the right venue for my kind of chatter as well. So far, I've felt that way. K-12 is important and welcome, but not the whole show. Kirby On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
What I'm hoping for is broader participation and on-going effort in promoting Python in education. It makes sense to coordinate this effort with the PES, which could serve as a yearly gathering of folks who have been working together throughout the year. This is a good time to do this, following Van Lindberg's announcement of the new, community PSF and the call for more folks to get involved in the community.
I think we should do this through the edu-sig for the following reasons:
1. The edu-sig is the currently existing group within the official Python community whose focus is Python in education. 2. The goal of the PES is the same as the goal of the edu-sig - to support and promote Python's use in education.
Thoughts? If there is general agreement, I'd like to propose that we ask Chalmer to be the coordinator of the edu-sig for the next year and that he take the lead in organizing the PES as his main task.
As far as coordinating the PyCon Education Summit, I don't think there is a strong precedent for any connection between Edu-Sig and running the summit.
In general, PyCon people are just that - PyCon organizing spots aren't tied officially to any other Python organizations.... they may well be on the PSF, the board, etc... but they certainly don't have to be, other than Ewa, who is officially board secretary and event coordinator. PyLadies events might be an exception, but otherwise I'm not thinking of any.
Since I initially pitched the first summit to Edu-Sig to less than lukewarm support, I'm a little surprised now to hear the summit being proposed as
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> wrote: the
official event of Edu-Sig... not that I'm against it, particularly, but I do think committed individuals are often more effective at getting specific things done. :-)
Still if that's what you all want to do, and it can be a catalyst to re-invigorate Edu-Sig and make it more representative of all kinds of Python education, I certainly wouldn't object.
So my short answer is, "there is no precedent, do what you think best."
Cheers, Naomi
On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote:
OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of Civic Hacking) working on the web site.
The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle suggestions.
Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/,
I
read:
* Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a directory on the Python website. * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's mailing list. * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development discussions via the SIG's mailing list.
I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the logical group to help coordinate the PES.
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe <chalmer.lowe@gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff:
Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff.
My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) next year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know what the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed light on that?
As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done alone, so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their hands dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this year.
I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to outline 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on github as soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I don't have).
Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of efforts you are outlining here.
Thanks again for firing up this conversation.
chalmer
Chalmer Lowe, MS
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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge <andre.roberge@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net>
wrote:
Two questions:
1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page?
I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed computer twice in the meantime.
Here's what I remember that I had to do.
1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, to the relevant edu-sig discussion)
I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want to know, here were the next steps.
2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be allowed to commit changes 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter 4. (re)build it locally. 5. edit the relevant rst file 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) 7. commit changes 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests received)
Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much easier and can be done online using a CMS.
2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply
will
go only to the list.
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel <jessanickel@gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the > work > to > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I was > a > k-12 > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools with > my > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a half, > so > I do > have some experience in that area. > > > > > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> > wrote: >> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: >> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering >> if >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal >> indeed!). >> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this >> conversation? >> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not already >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the >> discussion. >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder >> <naomi.ceder@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of >> > running >> > for >> > PSF >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu >> > summit. >> > She's >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 >> > teachers. >> > >> > Naomi > > _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list Edu-sig@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
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On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff@elkner.net> wrote: << SNIP >>
At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the currently active SIGs.
It's not? Weird. In my experience edu-sig has never been inactive. Compare our archives to that of math-thinking-l if you want to see what inactive looks like. Kirby
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