I'm continuing to insinuate my Pythonic hypertoons as a part of our "mental geometry" component, a supplement to the much more hyped "mental arithmetic" some teachers think calculators have messed with. Computers help with both, through drill and practice (e.g. Mathblasters), and Python is a great development language in this regard (Pygame, VPython...). My meeting with Ki Master George as his Saturday Academy mentor, re Django and/or developing a user-friendly tutorial around Civ IV/Python bindings was fruitful, though neither project seems ISEFy enough (he's aiming towards the compsci section of that well known science fair). We met at the Starbucks on Holgate, his dad also very much a part of these discussions (I like involving parents, had a dad sit through much of my last Pythonic math class, as chronicled in my blogs). As background for compsci, I recommended some of the following readings: In Code (Flannery) Cryptonomicon and In the Beginning... (Stephenson) and New Kind of Science (Wolfram) thinking a "pure compsci" approach leads to projects around: (a) cryptography and/or (b) cellular automata. At least those are both still-promising and fertile areas, no? I continue networking with the gnu math teachers on getting our kits ready for this summer. We plan to fan out across the country, giving little dog and pony shows here and there regarding what we call "gnu math" and/or "design science." It's a lot more hands-on and computer literate than what passes for math class today. Link trailhead: http://www.mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=1558459&tstart=0 Kirby 4D Solutions