Python Certificate
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea.
+1 On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it, because it was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really opened my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good certification program -- but also the importance of having one run by the community, rather than companies. I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some sort of PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit everyone in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and there are many issues to deal with, including the need for keeping the questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source project. Reuven Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
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On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and secret" may be solved: - there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.); - there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer. I'm very curious what other issues you consider. Gabor On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it, because it was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really opened my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good certification program -- but also the importance of having one run by the community, rather than companies.
I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some sort of PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit everyone in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and there are many issues to deal with, including the need for keeping the questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source project.
Reuven
Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
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On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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Was it this presentation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python, with exercises in the docs directory. Best, Tanya <https://twitter.com/wonntann> <https://github.com/wonntann/> May 4, 2022, 09:04 by gabor.guta@proinbox.com:
Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and secret" may be solved: - there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.); - there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer. I'm very curious what other issues you consider.
Gabor
On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it, because it was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really opened my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good certification program -- but also the importance of having one run by the community, rather than companies.
I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some sort of PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit everyone in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and there are many issues to deal with, including the need for keeping the questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source project.
Reuven
Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
+1
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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No, it was this one: https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560 (Thanks for pushing me to actually look it up!) The above link points to the second half of this edu summit presentation, by Chalmer Lowe. He described why certification is not easy, what some of the challenges are, and why we might want it. I'm a long-time open-source person, and always thought the idea of certification was silly and unnecessary. But this talk changed my mind, both indicating that it's important and useful, and that it's hard to create a useful and good certificate. But again, I think that getting a community-backed certification program could be really useful, especially now that (as Tomek noted) Microsoft has pulled out of this market. Reuven atpulley@tutanota.com wrote on 04/05/2022 12:57:
Was it this presentation? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiqeUVgrNnU>
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python>, with exercises in the docs directory.
Best, Tanya <https://twitter.com/wonntann> <https://github.com/wonntann/>
May 4, 2022, 09:04 by gabor.guta@proinbox.com:
Thank you for the quick feedback. I will try to find the PyCon presentation then :) I think, the "keeping the questions secure and secret" may be solved: - there are questions which are kind of definitions and they are not secret (if you learn the right answer you learn the core syntax, etc.); - there are exercises like questions which can be dynamically generated and verified; so, you can't cheat the answer. I'm very curious what other issues you consider.
Gabor
On Wed, May 4, 2022, at 4:18 PM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
There was a great talk given at PyCon 2019's education summit about certification. (I'm sorry that I don't remember who gave it, because it was excellent, and laid out the issues very clearly.) It really opened my eyes to the complexity and difficulty of creating a good certification program -- but also the importance of having one run by the community, rather than companies.
I would be happy to chat with other people about setting up some sort of PSF-sponsored Python certification program, which would benefit everyone in the community. But it won't be easy or a short-term project, and there are many issues to deal with, including the need for keeping the questions secure and secret, while keeping it an open-source project.
Reuven
Carl Karsten wrote on 04/05/2022 10:10:
+1
On Wed, May 4, 2022 at 8:59 AM <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: carl@nextdayvideo.com
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On Thu, 5 May 2022, 17:36 Reuven M. Lerner via Edu-sig, <edu-sig@python.org> wrote:
But again, I think that getting a community-backed certification program could be really useful, especially now that (as Tomek noted) Microsoft has pulled out of this market.
Reuven
I support the idea of a community backed cert and perhaps we can solicite the support of the PSF and its education mandate to run with this while the community plays its usual useful role of contributing to the project. Noah
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;). I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible. Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book. Gabor On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
Hello, Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today. Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification. As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning. Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link. Thanks, Neil Shah Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken. Reuven Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560 <https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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I am in if anything at all to be volunteered. Thanks. Best Regards, ЯR On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 8:48 AM Reuven M. Lerner via Edu-sig < edu-sig@python.org> wrote:
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <
https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08: possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Thanks for Tomasz for organizing the kick off meeting. I have created some slides which contain the original idea and the result of the meeting yesterday: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YqOSwGilnYFW8Xpd942iAUNTjNoD5dp5B7DT... The content can be migrated to the wiki if it is ready. Feel free to edit/add your toughts. Ping me, if you need edit permission. Gabor On Thu, May 12, 2022, at 12:17 AM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote:
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560 <https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Sounds like a great idea, has really come a long way. So proud of you guys. I'm going to schedule a meeting for next week say 18th or 19th so we can catch up Yours sincerely On Thu, 12 May 2022, 7:49 pm Dr. Guta Gábor, <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
Thanks for Tomasz for organizing the kick off meeting. I have created some slides which contain the original idea and the result of the meeting yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YqOSwGilnYFW8Xpd942iAUNTjNoD5dp5B7DT...
The content can be migrated to the wiki if it is ready. Feel free to edit/add your toughts. Ping me, if you need edit permission.
Gabor
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <
https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as
On Thu, May 12, 2022, at 12:17 AM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote: possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Hello, Thank you Dr. Guta Gábor for creating the slides with our ideas and results of the meeting. I did add a few things, one being using EdJet (100% Free Platform) as a way we can also implement courses based on the certification. EdJet allows the platform to be branded comelety for free, as well as host it as long as the courses are available publicly. Along with that, I also suggested having skill based tests as well, meaning having certifications that test the actual user proficiency of the language along with just Packages. Also wanted to ask about the Wiki, do we already have a page, or are we still setting that up? Thanks, Neil Shah
Hello, everyone. Dr. Guta, thank you for the slides. If possible, I would like to make a comment, I believe that when you mention FSF you meant PSF. Att. Dr. Juliano Fischer Naves Em qui., 12 de mai. de 2022 às 06:49, Dr. Guta Gábor < gabor.guta@proinbox.com> escreveu:
Thanks for Tomasz for organizing the kick off meeting. I have created some slides which contain the original idea and the result of the meeting yesterday:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1YqOSwGilnYFW8Xpd942iAUNTjNoD5dp5B7DT...
The content can be migrated to the wiki if it is ready. Feel free to edit/add your toughts. Ping me, if you need edit permission.
Gabor
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
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On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <
https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as
On Thu, May 12, 2022, at 12:17 AM, Reuven M. Lerner wrote: possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Hi All, I've set up a private wiki that we can use to collaborate at https://pycert.info . I've transferred the items we've discussed so far (I admit - most is copy & paste from Dr. Guta :). There is obviously a lot of work if we want to succeed with the project. Looks like we need to start with deciding on the syllabus, then create questions and make some proof of concept. We also need to decide on the exam format, procedures (i.e. how do we measure the quality of each) and technical items - like infrastructure. We also had some ideas for making project-based questions/tasks - which means that obtaining the certification will require some manual work from us (grading). We need help from technical and non-technical people. If you would like to join and *actively* participate then please register at https://forms.gle/KZkamR8aV6Bh4kTA8 Keep in mind that the project is *non for profit* and with *Open Source* ideology in mind. Have a nice day, Tomek Muras On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 00:17, Reuven M. Lerner <reuven@lerner.co.il> wrote:
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <
https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08: possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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"The form Python Certification Initiative 2 is no longer accepting responses." I suspect this is wrong ;) I have had to interview programmers a few times and it always baffled me. To this day I have no idea how anyone can evaluate a programmer's skill. One problem is it is not one problem. there are a few sills that don't always overlap: 1 know the syntax 2. understand how to define a problem in terms of algorithms that solve the problem 3. things learned by experience. I'm sure there are such things, right? 4. elegant code .... In the face of ambiguity, refuse the temptation to guess. 4. source control and other mechanics so you don't burn up time 3. ability you count to 5. I have a 1-2 hour tutorial that covers most of What makes Python Python. 90% assuming this is something than can be measured :p I love presenting this as it always generates wonderful questions, although 1/2 of them are "perfect question, that is coming next" and "work that out on your own, we need to be done in 2 hours." I remember one session lasted 4.5 hours. https://github.com/CarlFK/Ripley/blob/master/ripley.txt#L67 """ There are 2 Bools: True and False. There isn't much more that needs to be said about this.
True True False False
(todo: go look up python 3 change with respect to float/int) Floats have a dot:
1.2 1.2
(todo: go look up python 3 change here) Integers don't:
2+2
""" On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 2:09 AM Tomasz Muras <nexor1984@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I've set up a private wiki that we can use to collaborate at https://pycert.info . I've transferred the items we've discussed so far (I admit - most is copy & paste from Dr. Guta :).
There is obviously a lot of work if we want to succeed with the project. Looks like we need to start with deciding on the syllabus, then create questions and make some proof of concept. We also need to decide on the exam format, procedures (i.e. how do we measure the quality of each) and technical items - like infrastructure. We also had some ideas for making project-based questions/tasks - which means that obtaining the certification will require some manual work from us (grading).
We need help from technical and non-technical people. If you would like to join and actively participate then please register at https://forms.gle/KZkamR8aV6Bh4kTA8
Keep in mind that the project is non for profit and with Open Source ideology in mind.
Have a nice day, Tomek Muras
On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 00:17, Reuven M. Lerner <reuven@lerner.co.il> wrote:
In the end, I couldn't make it today; I'd be curious to hear a summary of what was discussed, and what next steps could be taken.
Reuven
Neil Shah wrote on 11/05/2022 18:08:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur
e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech
a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560 <https://youtu.be/jZoa8IUoqEw?t=560>
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python <https://github.com/wonntann/Python> , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6 <https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6>
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 02:22, Carl Karsten <carl@nextdayvideo.com> wrote:
"The form Python Certification Initiative 2 is no longer accepting responses."
I suspect this is wrong ;)
We are on the version 3 of the form now :). I have now linked it from https://pycert.info/join The basic project information is on https://pycert.info Have a nice day, Tomek
https://pycert.info/index.php/Python_Certification_Project "Please log in to view other pages." A) how do I get a login? B) why does anyone need a login to view? On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 10:13 AM Tomasz Muras <nexor1984@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 02:22, Carl Karsten <carl@nextdayvideo.com> wrote:
"The form Python Certification Initiative 2 is no longer accepting responses."
I suspect this is wrong ;)
We are on the version 3 of the form now :). I have now linked it from https://pycert.info/join
The basic project information is on https://pycert.info
Have a nice day, Tomek
-- Carl K
On Fri, 20 May 2022 at 19:24, Carl Karsten <carl@nextdayvideo.com> wrote:
https://pycert.info/index.php/Python_Certification_Project
"Please log in to view other pages."
A) how do I get a login?
B) why does anyone need a login to view?
The rest of this site is private wiki - we may use it to coordinate the project. It's not really used at the moment. If you can help with the effort, then the priority now is to create a question bank. If you can help, then please contribute to: https://github.com/python-certification/questions Best regards, Tomek
Hi, It's impossible to set up a single date & time that will suit everyone. So we will try a few different times, based on your form answers. The next call for anyone interested is on: *Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 08:00 UTC* You can check your local time here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20220515T0800 Link to join the meeting: *Video call link: https://meet.google.com/iss-cgjd-aay <https://meet.google.com/iss-cgjd-aay>* Best regards, Tomek On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 00:08, Neil Shah <neildshah1013@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Hi, Our current priority is to create exam questions. For anyone willing to participate, here is github repository, PRs are more than welcome: https://github.com/python-certification/questions If you would like to participate in the project as a whole, then please register at: https://forms.gle/aRQSuUqEUJntVjhf8 Please pass on this message to other people / groups that you think might be interested. Best regards, Tomek Muras On Fri, 13 May 2022 at 17:34, Tomasz Muras <nexor1984@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
It's impossible to set up a single date & time that will suit everyone. So we will try a few different times, based on your form answers. The next call for anyone interested is on: *Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 08:00 UTC*
You can check your local time here: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20220515T0800
Link to join the meeting:
*Video call link: https://meet.google.com/iss-cgjd-aay <https://meet.google.com/iss-cgjd-aay>* Best regards, Tomek
On Thu, 12 May 2022 at 00:08, Neil Shah <neildshah1013@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Thanks for Tomasz for setting up the meeting today.
Unfortunately due to complications with another meeting I had to come a little late, however I do want to quickly add a note to the Certification.
As still a student, I do remember when I was first introduced, which was in Elementary School. Because of this I wanted to also integrate a student certification and learning.
Along with that, I do remember the idea of working with another organization to integrate courses. I am currently working on a project (MyCoin) which is a public good, and we have our own Academy. It would be interesting to see if we could integrate together as platforms. If you are interested in learning more on it, feel free to email me or set up a meeting from my Calendly Link.
Thanks, Neil Shah
Neil Shah Developer & Entrepreneur e. neil@insight3d.tech w. www.insight3d.tech a. https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeti <https://calendly.com/neildshah/meeting>
On May 6, 2022, at 7:25 PM, Dr. Guta Gábor <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
This meeting is a very good idea, thanks for organizing it. I have started this thread as I have some test material under preparation in connection with my new Python book.
Gabor
On Fri, May 6, 2022, at 9:01 PM, Tomasz Muras wrote:
We should probably contact Chalmer and ask him if they've progressed with the idea.
I have written a basic foundation for Python, found at https://github.com/wonntann/Python , with exercises in the docs directory.
Nice, looks like we have most of the work done ;).
I suggest that for those interested in progressing with the idea we will organize a call. You can leave your email and preferences in a short form I've created: https://forms.gle/ha57R9R9T1hQNyiD6
I'll try to match the date/time to suit as many participants as possible.
Have a nice weekend everyone, Tomek
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Hi, It looks like Microsoft is finishing their python certification program: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/learn/certifications/exams/98-381 . I like the idea and would love to see both certification and training materials done by the community. I would gladly help with the implementation, provided that whatever we do we will publish on the open licences (e.g. Open Source the code, and/or use Creative Commons for the material). Best regards, Tomek On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 15:58, <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: nexor1984@gmail.com
I agree and support the initiative. Since I've been teaching Python for several years, I'm happy to help if needed. Juliano Fischer Naves Em qua., 4 de mai. de 2022 às 13:42, Tomasz Muras <nexor1984@gmail.com> escreveu:
Hi,
It looks like Microsoft is finishing their python certification program: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/learn/certifications/exams/98-381 .
I like the idea and would love to see both certification and training materials done by the community.
I would gladly help with the implementation, provided that whatever we do we will publish on the open licences (e.g. Open Source the code, and/or use Creative Commons for the material).
Best regards, Tomek
On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 15:58, <gabor.guta@proinbox.com> wrote:
I have checked out the the Python certification programs and I think it would be interesting to create something more "official" and more open/cheaper. I have found a Polish company which calls itself as Python-Institute (which is a bit misleading name in my opinion as it suggest that it is officially related to some organization of the Python community) and sells tests/certs from approx. fifty to several hundred EUR depending on the level. I have tried the entry level and for me it was disappointing from the perspective of the quality of the questions. I haven't tried Microsoft's certification yet. I think it would be a very viable option to create a certification program which is officially supported by the PSF and provide some reasonable pricing (i.e. free if someone just want do a self assessment and a reasonable price if someone want to take the test in a controlled environment). The scope could be the core language elements. Let me know what you think about the usefulness of the idea. _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing list -- edu-sig@python.org To unsubscribe send an email to edu-sig-leave@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman3/lists/edu-sig.python.org/ Member address: nexor1984@gmail.com
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On Wed, 4 May 2022, 19:43 Tomasz Muras, <nexor1984@gmail.com> wrote:
I like the idea and would love to see both certification and training materials done by the community.
I agree and I would be happy to also contribute some ideas around how we do the testing beyond proctored testing (prone to exam dumps) with a blend of a more project based hands-on challenge/exam. Noah
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