Andy, My experience is that there should be a certain amount of aptitude screening before teaching programming to anyone. The best way is to put a 2-3 person panel together, each with different teaching approaches AND a passion for their discipline. I don't require the kids to be pre-algebra or better, but they should grasp certain concepts within about 5 minutes of conversation. If they can't get certain basic concepts in that time, then it's just simply not their time to study programming. Dave Lanham LGICS