I think you over-stress this self image. Some people disagree >with some of your points, as is natural in a free wheeling give >and take world. Others don't find the axes you grind >particularly interesting. Others agree with some of your points.

Stop being reasonable and asking me to be so also. I hate that. But of all the messages of the "re:license" thread that illustrates my sense of things - my feelings (yes, I said "feelings") was the one by Dr. David Mertz - a profilic Python popularizer. (aka Lulu of the Lotus Eaters): """ "Arthur" <ajs@i...> wrote previously: |>BTW, you still haven't mentioned the package. Tell me THE PACKAGE!!! ;) |I am *never* discrete. |But at my age, an opportunity for a new experience is rare. s/discrete/obnoxious/ s/rare/elsewhere/ """ I honestly don't know what it means. I'm suspecting it doesn't mean something nice, but that's not the point. The point is that it is a message, from my perspective, from the intiated to the initiated. My alienation from the community is a 2 way street though. To a large extent I see it as a community of initiates - which is fine - with a core belief that it is something else; which is not fine. If it wants to be something else, it needs to find a way to try harder. CP4E! Art