There's no going back now. :-) I just committed some code to SVN on sourceforge so the "PataPata" project is here to stay. http://sourceforge.net/projects/patapata/ (You can't easily get sourceforge to remove something once it has code, so I've held back till now, though I requested the project about ten days ago.) The sourceforge blurb is: """PataPata brings constructivism to the Python platform, inspired by Squeak Smalltalk, but going beyond it in a Pythonic and abstraction-oriented way. PataPata can mean "Python Abstractly Touchable Applications -- Personalizable And Teachable Anywhere". """ (I'll probably be reworking what the letters mean as an acronym with community feedback, that's just a first cut. :-) You can view the first proof of concept code for prototypes here: http://svn.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.cgi/patapata/PataPata/proof_of_concept_00... Essentially it is just a few lines of Python defining a Prototype class and putting up a prototype widget with a TK widget class as a parent. Even that has issues, but it is a first step, but I'm trying to follow a "release early and often" mantra. Likely the project folders will soon get reorganized as the project grows, but SVN makes that fairly painless to do. Please note that this PataPata project is intended for the vision of PySqueak I have been outlining here, focusing on taking *ideas* from Squeak and Self and moving them to Python, as well as trying to go *beyond* the ideas in a Pythonic and constructivist way (in a "burn the disk packs approach"). The guiding theme is intended to be on making tools compatible with unschooling or "free schooling". School affiliated people are welcome to participate too, of course, if they find these constructivist ideas of use in the classroom for education and want to discuss such ideas. Or even if, sigh, they want a place to put curriculum materials for the classroom directly related to PataPata. It seems even Grace Llewellyn is writing a book related to getting the most out of your time in school: :-) http://www.edweek.org/tm/news/instruction/2004/03/01/05grace.h15.html But, in any case, supporting mainstream classroom specific issues (e.g. grading) is not something I myself will prioritize or encourage. If anyone wants to set up another PySqueak type project to do more of a direct port of Squeak and Croquet to Python, as well as to focus more on any specific schooling-related issues faced by the current Shuttleworth initiative, then by all means, please do so. And no hard feelings if someone else gets paid to do that. I might even try to contribute constructively to such a project occasionally. :-) While I've been taking advantage of discussions on the edusig list at the start to get some ideas kicked around (and thank you all for your forbearance :-), I just created a patapata-discuss list at sourceforge https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/patapata-discuss (though it will take about a day to show up apparently), so I'll start posting new stuff to there once the existing threads wind down here. By the way, "Pata Pata" is means "touch touch", which I think is appropriate for a project focusing on constructivist and direct manipulation Self-like and Squeak-like ideas. See: http://songsforteaching.homestead.com/PWM2PataPata.html for the South African song by Miriam Makeba that inspired the name. (There is even a link to a starting snippet of the project theme song there, from the Putumayo world music CD series we listen to. :-) --Paul Fernhout