CFP announcement - request for feedback
Hello friends, We're almost ready for the CFP announcement, and thought it would be a good idea to get the community's feedback on the communication. Please have a look here: https://in.pycon.org/2019/cfp.html The document contains quite a few policy related details, while most of it is about the process itself. We're planning to use this it outside the programming community as well, so the language is bit generic. Please share you thoughts and questions. Regards, Abhishek
Hey Abhishek, ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Saturday, March 30, 2019 10:45 PM, Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello friends,
We're almost ready for the CFP announcement, and thought it would be a good idea to get the community's feedback on the communication. Please have a look here: https://in.pycon.org/2019/cfp.html
The document contains quite a few policy related details, while most of it is about the process itself. We're planning to use this it outside the programming community as well, so the language is bit generic.
Please share you thoughts and questions. Regards, Abhishek
In addition to the CFP link, it's important to share how (apart from just sharing their views on the mailing list) one can contribute in making the blog (and other parts of website) better. For CFP, that would be Source for CFP blog - https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon2019/blob/master/cfp.md Contribution Guideline - https://github.com/pythonindia/inpycon2019/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md Thank you. Keep up the good work :) --- Shashank | realslimshanky https://shanky.xyz
Hi Abhishek, On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:46 PM Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello friends,
We're almost ready for the CFP announcement, and thought it would be a good idea to get the community's feedback on the communication. Please have a look here: https://in.pycon.org/2019/cfp.html
The document contains quite a few policy related details, while most of it is about the process itself. We're planning to use this it outside the programming community as well, so the language is bit generic.
Thanks for putting up this. This is indeed a very very good starting point. I have a few suggestions (some of them may be nitpicks) - See Below - 1. What to Propose - Bullet Point 4
Thoughts on tech culture and living. Ideas on improving diversity and inclusiveness. On programmers’ physical and mental health. On getting better at productivity. On workplace issues. Anything that can make an impact.
should be - Thoughts on tech culture and living. Ideas on improving diversity and inclusiveness. On programmers’ physical and mental health. On getting better at productivity. On workplace issues. Anything that can make an impact, especially if you have used Python for any of the above or have seen someone seen Using Python. For instance, thoughts on Tech Culture in Bengaluru, might be an interesting topic for a conversation over one's favorite drink, but perhaps it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a Python Language Conference, unless someone has Used Python language to develop key insights into this (and this is not really far fetched!) 2. Rehearsals - Last Para (nitpick) - Better to say Participation in the rehearsal sessions is likely going to be a Required Step - Chances of Unrehearsed talk making it to final stage are substantially lower. The reason I am saying this is - Unless the logistics for this is worked out properly, it's better to not say it is 'mandatory' and eventually not being able to make this for whatever reasons. 3. Diversity With 'disabled people' - If you mean 'physically challenged', it's probably a good idea to say so. Someone physically challenged need not necessarily be a disabled person or there needs to be a better definition of 'disabled people'. Also, while personally I am certainly in favor of diversity, such diversity should not come at the cost of the quality. So a stated objective of 'Our goal is to ensure at least one third contribution comes from under-represented groups', is perhaps not the best one, if the sample space does not represent the kind of distribution as your stated objective. Better worded as 'Our goal is to maximize the contribution from under represented groups'. If the sample space is indeed showing that kind of distribution, there should not be any problem in achieving the stated objective without being explicit about it. 4. Best Practices for Speakers (nitpick) Bullet Point 4: The proposal should not look like Sales Copy of your Product/Business. To Promote your business, please get in touch with sponsorship team. Better to drop the word Project. For instance I might actually be interested in 'showing my project' (in Python) to the community to get feedback and/or help for contribution. I might even be inclined to drop this point because, such proposals if any should get filtered if the review process is right and hence there is no need to be explicit about it. Thanks -abhijit
... I have a few suggestions (some of them may be nitpicks) ...
Thanks for the great suggestions Abhijit. I'll certainly edit to reflect them. About the rehearsals being mandatory, the idea is to make the expectation clear to potential speakers. If not, experienced speakers might feel less inclined to participate - something we want to avoid (we noticed that at Pysangamam last year). About the diversity point, since we are convinced its worth trying for better diversity, having a clearly-stated goal will solidify our commitment towards the idea, and also help us take calculated steps towards it. That's the thought process behind the two. Thanks again and cheers, Abhishek On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 12:14 AM Abhijit Gadgil <gabhijit@iitbombay.org> wrote:
Hi Abhishek,
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 10:46 PM Abhishek Yadav <zerothabhishek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello friends,
We're almost ready for the CFP announcement, and thought it would be a good idea to get the community's feedback on the communication. Please have a look here: https://in.pycon.org/2019/cfp.html
The document contains quite a few policy related details, while most of it is about the process itself. We're planning to use this it outside the programming community as well, so the language is bit generic.
Thanks for putting up this. This is indeed a very very good starting point. I have a few suggestions (some of them may be nitpicks) - See Below -
1. What to Propose - Bullet Point 4
Thoughts on tech culture and living. Ideas on improving diversity and inclusiveness. On programmers’ physical and mental health. On getting better at productivity. On workplace issues. Anything that can make an impact.
should be -
Thoughts on tech culture and living. Ideas on improving diversity and inclusiveness. On programmers’ physical and mental health. On getting better at productivity. On workplace issues. Anything that can make an impact, especially if you have used Python for any of the above or have seen someone seen Using Python.
For instance, thoughts on Tech Culture in Bengaluru, might be an interesting topic for a conversation over one's favorite drink, but perhaps it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for a Python Language Conference, unless someone has Used Python language to develop key insights into this (and this is not really far fetched!)
2. Rehearsals -
Last Para (nitpick) - Better to say
Participation in the rehearsal sessions is likely going to be a Required Step - Chances of Unrehearsed talk making it to final stage are substantially lower.
The reason I am saying this is - Unless the logistics for this is worked out properly, it's better to not say it is 'mandatory' and eventually not being able to make this for whatever reasons.
3. Diversity
With 'disabled people' - If you mean 'physically challenged', it's probably a good idea to say so. Someone physically challenged need not necessarily be a disabled person or there needs to be a better definition of 'disabled people'.
Also, while personally I am certainly in favor of diversity, such diversity should not come at the cost of the quality. So a stated objective of 'Our goal is to ensure at least one third contribution comes from under-represented groups', is perhaps not the best one, if the sample space does not represent the kind of distribution as your stated objective. Better worded as 'Our goal is to maximize the contribution from under represented groups'. If the sample space is indeed showing that kind of distribution, there should not be any problem in achieving the stated objective without being explicit about it.
4. Best Practices for Speakers
(nitpick)
Bullet Point 4: The proposal should not look like Sales Copy of your Product/Business. To Promote your business, please get in touch with sponsorship team. Better to drop the word Project. For instance I might actually be interested in 'showing my project' (in Python) to the community to get feedback and/or help for contribution.
I might even be inclined to drop this point because, such proposals if any should get filtered if the review process is right and hence there is no need to be explicit about it.
Thanks
-abhijit
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On Mar 30, 2019 10:46 PM, "Abhishek Yadav" <zerothabhishek@gmail.com> wrote: Hello friends, We're almost ready for the CFP announcement, and thought it would be a good idea to get the community's feedback on the communication. Please have a look here: https://in.pycon.org/2019/cfp.html The document contains quite a few policy related details, while most of it is about the process itself. We're planning to use this it outside the programming community as well, so the language is bit generic. Please share you thoughts and questions. Regards, Abhishek Hi Abhishek, Thanks for the link. It's some good material to work with! I'm sharing my views about it. I hope they don't seem overly critical to you. * The language used for the 'What to Propose' section can be refined. * The content under 'Diversity' can be omitted. While the heading seems to refer diversity in terms of people from different walks of life who use Python, it discusses something else instead. I have an idea for content on the same, and I'm putting it out below: "We're dedicated to exploring all the different ways you have been using Python for your work or recreation. We'd like to see more participation from someone who's not a professional developer, but occasionally likes to do the dirty job of fixing that software bug that causes her laptop's fans to go berserk (with all the heat) or writing an alarm that reprimands him whenever he gets sidetracked, watching funny cat videos on YouTube, end-to-end; all using the might of Python!" I agree with Abhijit's views, particularly on diversity & project proposal. He has made some fine points. Cheers!
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Abhijit Gadgil -
Abhishek Yadav -
Chaitanya Tejaswi -
Shashank