Encouraging women developers to join PyCon
Hi everyone, We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them? This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies. I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community. PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it. ---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment. However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group. Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this. If we girls want to attend, we can pay too. The only way to increase the female attendees is to go pitch a demo of python at a girls only college. I remember that girls from my college had a tendency to 'flock' and if a few key people go, I am sure the rest would too. Secondly accommodation for outstation girls. It may also be just a room at the girls hostel for 4 girls at a time, but even as a girl developer staying was my first challenge. Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help. I personally remember my mother being all anxious to let me attend conferences that are in different cities or requiring a travel in the evenings. I had to find some good male community member support to travel 'with him' after telling about him to my mother and assuring I was not alone. Anyway, this was my two pieces of personal experience wishlist items. Best, Priya On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
Hi All, + with Bibhas that decreasing prices is not a good option. As I've seen women participation quite good specially in other forums like Management forums and if we at Pycon want to encourage more participation, the better way is to #start the ad-campaign quite and see that the poster / site banner represents(shows) images of all genders # send emails/ lists both to colleges and companies; # encourage presentations; Thanks, Christopher On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
Hi Priya, On 30 March 2013 13:51, priya iyer <wordsofagirl@gmail.com> wrote:
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this.
Sorry, but I didn't mean any offence. The sole reason behind this proposal was that I want to have more female developers to join PyCon, and have faced couple of friends who said that cost is an issue for them because they are from other cities. I always encourage my friends to join conferences like this, and have faced the same argument more than once. I know it's not a good option, but it's a starting point to think how we can go about it. Because now we have some feedback on why it won't work. Let's get more views on what will work. Maybe other members of this list who are more experienced will be able to share their views.
If we girls want to attend, we can pay too. The only way to increase the female attendees is to go pitch a demo of python at a girls only college.
I remember that girls from my college had a tendency to 'flock' and if a few key people go, I am sure the rest would too. Secondly accommodation for outstation girls. It may also be just a room at the girls hostel for 4 girls at a time, but even as a girl developer staying was my first challenge.
Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help.
I personally remember my mother being all anxious to let me attend conferences that are in different cities or requiring a travel in the evenings. I had to find some good male community member support to travel 'with him' after telling about him to my mother and assuring I was not alone.
Anyway, this was my two pieces of personal experience wishlist items.
Best, Priya
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
Thank you Priya. These comments are valuable. priya iyer <wordsofagirl@gmail.com> writes:
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this. If we girls want to attend, we can pay too. The only way to increase the female attendees is to go pitch a demo of python at a girls only college.
I remember that girls from my college had a tendency to 'flock' and if a few key people go, I am sure the rest would too. Secondly accommodation for outstation girls. It may also be just a room at the girls hostel for 4 girls at a time, but even as a girl developer staying was my first challenge.
Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help.
I personally remember my mother being all anxious to let me attend conferences that are in different cities or requiring a travel in the evenings. I had to find some good male community member support to travel 'with him' after telling about him to my mother and assuring I was not alone.
Anyway, this was my two pieces of personal experience wishlist items.
Best, Priya
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM, priya iyer <wordsofagirl@gmail.com> wrote:
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this. If we girls want to attend, we can pay too.
+1
Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help.
+1
We totally forgot about these valuable inputs. Now it's too late to take any action towards these this year, I think. On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM, priya iyer <wordsofagirl@gmail.com> wrote:
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this. If we girls want to attend, we can pay too. The only way to increase the female attendees is to go pitch a demo of python at a girls only college.
I remember that girls from my college had a tendency to 'flock' and if a few key people go, I am sure the rest would too. Secondly accommodation for outstation girls. It may also be just a room at the girls hostel for 4 girls at a time, but even as a girl developer staying was my first challenge.
Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help.
I personally remember my mother being all anxious to let me attend conferences that are in different cities or requiring a travel in the evenings. I had to find some good male community member support to travel 'with him' after telling about him to my mother and assuring I was not alone.
Anyway, this was my two pieces of personal experience wishlist items.
Best, Priya
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
---- Bibhas http://bibhas.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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+ 1 for Devi's comments. Right now, I just have a busy schedule right now. I started out late. But to be sure, I hope these points will be addressed next time. If not, I will make it a point to remember. Warm regards, Anu On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 6:03 PM, Devi <asldevi@gmail.com> wrote:
We totally forgot about these valuable inputs. Now it's too late to take any action towards these this year, I think.
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 1:51 PM, priya iyer <wordsofagirl@gmail.com>wrote:
How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
Umm... I am kind of taking offence at this. If we girls want to attend, we can pay too. The only way to increase the female attendees is to go pitch a demo of python at a girls only college.
I remember that girls from my college had a tendency to 'flock' and if a few key people go, I am sure the rest would too. Secondly accommodation for outstation girls. It may also be just a room at the girls hostel for 4 girls at a time, but even as a girl developer staying was my first challenge.
Another challenge is transportation. If you talk in the college to give their transportation to and fro after the evening time with drop off at key places in the city, I think it would personally help.
I personally remember my mother being all anxious to let me attend conferences that are in different cities or requiring a travel in the evenings. I had to find some good male community member support to travel 'with him' after telling about him to my mother and assuring I was not alone.
Anyway, this was my two pieces of personal experience wishlist items.
Best, Priya
On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@nibrahim.net.in>wrote:
I'm not sure if decreasing ticket prices is sending the right message. It's kind of condescending. I've always thought that the idea is equality in the domain rather than special treatment.
However, initiatives like what the pyladies group does are useful. I'm just not sure how to go about this. It would be nice if there were a few active female members in the organiser group.
Bibhas Ch Debnath <me@bibhas.in> writes:
Hi everyone,
We have been talking about encouraging women to join PyCon and start working on python. Why not take a step towards it? How about we decrease ticket price to some amount or maybe waive it totally for them?
This could bring some questions like how'd we know that the ones joining are bringing some value to the conference. Well, if more women are attending, that's already a plus. To ensure even more, we could start a program, like, ask them to create a github account, create 2-5 repo, show us and they get a free ticker. Sounds odd and silly, but this will also encourage them to start using git or any VCS. And this also shows us that those participants actually made some effort to join the conference. They are not just drove by the offer of freebies.
I haven't seen many girls take up the initiative to become a developer, only couple of my college friends did. They have no one to encourage them in becoming developers. So to do that, we might have to put some extra manual effort. But it should be overall good for the community.
PS: Should have put the gender field in last year's feedback form. Could get a statistic. This year will definitely do it.
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Annapoornima Koppad <a.koppad@gmail.com> writes:
+ 1 for Devi's comments.
Right now, I just have a busy schedule right now. I started out late. But to be sure, I hope these points will be addressed next time. If not, I will make it a point to remember.
I think if you hang around on the list and pitch in when things start picking up next year, it will help the cause a lot. There are too many things to do and too few people. Most things which are not absolute essentials get dropped off unless someone drives them. [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
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