Hello everyone, I've been in touch with the lawyer about the society and he's sent me a draft of the Society registration document. I've put it here http://nibrahim.net.in/Noufal-Society.doc rather than attaching it to this email. It's quite tedious but I think the only blanks that need to be filled are the ones regarding the 'aims and objectives' on top. The rest is boilerplate. Also, the cost of doing this (excluding lawyer fees) is 15000 INR. The fees for the lawyer is 5000 INR. So we have to cough up a total of 20000 INR to get this done. If someone with experience in this can comment on the price as well as the document, it'd be great and I can push the chap to take things forward. Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 11:40:09 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I've been in touch with the lawyer about the society and he's sent me a draft of the Society registration document. I've put it here http://nibrahim.net.in/Noufal-Society.doc rather than attaching it to this email.
this person is charging 5K to give you an unedited copy of a building apartment society document? And what is the 15K for? AFAIK a society registration takes only a few hundred rupees. (I haven't done one for some years, but I do know it does not take 15K). Lawyers are supposed to be paid for 'application of mind'. It does not look like this gentleman has done so. -- regards kg http://lawgon.livejournal.com
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@thenilgiris.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 11:40:09 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I've been in touch with the lawyer about the society and he's sent me a draft of the Society registration document. I've put it here http://nibrahim.net.in/Noufal-Society.doc rather than attaching it to this email.
this person is charging 5K to give you an unedited copy of a building apartment society document?
I believe that's the total fees to be paid to him *after* the society is registered. His total fees (not just for the doc).
And what is the 15K for? AFAIK a society registration takes only a few hundred rupees. (I haven't done one for some years, but I do know it does not take 15K). Lawyers are supposed to be paid for 'application of mind'. It does not look like this gentleman has done so.
I'll get back to him on this and let you know what he says. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 11:56:15 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves
<lawgon@thenilgiris.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 11:40:09 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I've been in touch with the lawyer about the society and he's sent me a draft of the Society registration document. I've put it here http://nibrahim.net.in/Noufal-Society.doc rather than attaching it to this email.
this person is charging 5K to give you an unedited copy of a building apartment society document?
I believe that's the total fees to be paid to him after the society is registered. His total fees (not just for the doc).
look at this: http://www.karmayog.com/ros.htm all we need is a very simple couple of documents complying with this. I see that for an all india character one needs 8 people from 8 different states. I also see that the registration fee is 50 rupees. So give him a draft in plain language of the points we want. Scientific society/promotion of python/ conduct of annual pycon - that is enough. Power to operate bank accounts. Who is to operate them. Yearly elections. No office bearer except treasurer to hold office for more than two terms. apart from this, any statutory requirements. Thats all. Keep it simple. If he takes trouble over crafting this carefully, he is worth 5K else he is not worth 2 paise.
And what is the 15K for? AFAIK a society registration takes only a few hundred rupees. (I haven't done one for some years, but I do know it does not take 15K). Lawyers are supposed to be paid for 'application of mind'. It does not look like this gentleman has done so.
I'll get back to him on this and let you know what he says.
max a few thousand (given that this is Bangalore). I have got pvt ltd companies registered at a comparable cost to what he is quoting. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
And what is the 15K for? AFAIK a society registration takes only a few hundred rupees. (I haven't done one for some years, but I do know it does not take 15K). Lawyers are supposed to be paid for 'application of mind'. It does not look like this gentleman has done so.
I'll get back to him on this and let you know what he says.
We incurred somewhere between 5k to 6k all put together for registering a society earlier this year. we used a company secretary to do the filing. he was also retained for a year to do all the tax filings. 15k sounds too steep. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram@gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 12:13:52 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
I'll get back to him on this and let you know what he says.
We incurred somewhere between 5k to 6k all put together for registering a society earlier this year. we used a company secretary to do the filing. he was also retained for a year to do all the tax filings. 15k sounds too steep.
company secretaries are higher up the food chain than lawyers -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
This is way too steep. I'm sorry I introduced this guy. Kenneth, can we get this thing done out of ooty, I'm sure your own friends in the circle can actually get it done at less than Rs 5000. Ramdas On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 12:13:52 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
I'll get back to him on this and let you know what he says.
We incurred somewhere between 5k to 6k all put together for registering a society earlier this year. we used a company secretary to do the filing. he was also retained for a year to do all the tax filings. 15k sounds too steep.
company secretaries are higher up the food chain than lawyers
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote:
This is way too steep. I'm sorry I introduced this guy. Kenneth, can we get this thing done out of ooty, I'm sure your own friends in the circle can actually get it done at less than Rs 5000.
I'm sure that this person has some idea of what the market rates are. It's perhaps a decent gambit to ask for 10% more than the market rate assuming that the customer is clueless but from what you guys say, this is quite outrageous. I'm beginning to doubt whether I heard/understood him correctly. I will go back to him later in the evening and ask him again how much it will cost to double check. Once he confirms the 15k, we'll say no and look for someone else. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote:
This is way too steep. I'm sorry I introduced this guy. Kenneth, can we get this thing done out of ooty, I'm sure your own friends in the circle can actually get it done at less than Rs 5000.
I'm sure that this person has some idea of what the market rates are. It's perhaps a decent gambit to ask for 10% more than the market rate assuming that the customer is clueless but from what you guys say, this is quite outrageous. I'm beginning to doubt whether I heard/understood him correctly. I will go back to him later in the evening and ask him again how much it will cost to double check.
Or just subscribe him to this list and ask him to read these conversations...
Once he confirms the 15k, we'll say no and look for someone else.
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On Wednesday 04 Nov 2009 1:49:03 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote:
This is way too steep. I'm sorry I introduced this guy. Kenneth, can we get this thing done out of ooty, I'm sure your own friends in the circle can actually get it done at less than Rs 5000.
I'm sure that this person has some idea of what the market rates are. It's perhaps a decent gambit to ask for 10% more than the market rate assuming that the customer is clueless but from what you guys say, this is quite outrageous. I'm beginning to doubt whether I heard/understood him correctly. I will go back to him later in the evening and ask him again how much it will cost to double check.
like with programmers, it is cheaper with lawyers to get better lawyers. The ones lower on the food chain cost a lot and produce shoddy work. I am out of the practise of law, and would not be able to produce a professional work (which means a work that complies with all necessary statutes as I am out of touch. At the most I can advise on general principals) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto. Comments? Should we go for another lawyer? Any suggestions? Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto.
Comments? Should we go for another lawyer? Any suggestions?
Yes. Please avoid anything under the table. Anand
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto.
There is no under table cost what so ever. its preparing a set of papers filling it with the registrar of companies and then getting the certificate signed and stamped. it requires time. because you might need to go to the office a couple of times. but there is no dubious nature associated with the process that warrants a big time under the table act. Still High i guess. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram@gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 4:15 PM, kausikram krishnasayee <kausikram@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto.
There is no under table cost what so ever. its preparing a set of papers filling it with the registrar of companies and then getting the certificate signed and stamped. it requires time. because you might need to go to the office a couple of times. but there is no dubious nature associated with the process that warrants a big time under the table act. Still High i guess.
Can anyone else recommend a lawyer then? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto.
Stinky lawyer.
Comments? Should we go for another lawyer? Any suggestions?
+1.
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-- --Anand
So, does anyone know another lawyer I can meet up with? I never realised that this was going to be this sticky. :-/ -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Friday 06 Nov 2009 5:52:52 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
So, does anyone know another lawyer I can meet up with? I never realised that this was going to be this sticky. :-/
now you know what lawyers face when trying to hire a programmer ;-) I will ask around. But be warned, most good lawyers are like tailors, plumbers (and progrmmers) in the sense that they take their own cool time to finish anything. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Friday 06 Nov 2009 5:52:52 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
So, does anyone know another lawyer I can meet up with? I never realised that this was going to be this sticky. :-/
now you know what lawyers face when trying to hire a programmer ;-) I will ask around. But be warned, most good lawyers are like tailors, plumbers (and progrmmers) in the sense that they take their own cool time to finish anything. -- re
That's fine. The point is, if it's done out of a smaller town city, the costs will be lower...
As far as I am aware, the guy is charging actually for the running around, and not so much for under the table activities. A Bangalore lawyer like a Bangalore programmer is likely to be expensive :)
Kenneth, if you can ask around in Nilgiris we might actually get a less than Rs 5k a deal.
I guess we can wait for a while for the turn around.
What we need is a cheap lawyer not a good one. I dont think its rocket science taking a draft and making a few global changes in the doc, as in case of a society registration! Once the society is registered, we can hire a part time accountant to do one time filing of returns... Can't cost ore 3-5 k
On Saturday 07 Nov 2009 11:01:30 am Ramdas S wrote:
What we need is a cheap lawyer not a good one. I dont think its rocket science taking a draft and making a few global changes in the doc, as in case of a society registration! Once the society is registered, we can hire a part time accountant to do one time filing of returns... Can't cost ore 3-5 k
what we need is a good lawyer. not a cheapskate. I have spoken to some people in Bangalore. Please be patient. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Saturday 07 Nov 2009 11:01:30 am Ramdas S wrote:
What we need is a cheap lawyer not a good one. I dont think its rocket science taking a draft and making a few global changes in the doc, as in case of a society registration! Once the society is registered, we can hire a part time accountant to do one time filing of returns... Can't cost ore 3-5 k
what we need is a good lawyer. not a cheapskate. I have spoken to some people in Bangalore. Please be patient. [..]
Thank you Kenneth. If there are any other leads which people have, please let me know. Perhaps the Mahiti folks have contacts with a couple of lawyers who they trust? Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday 07 Nov 2009 11:01:30 am Ramdas S wrote:
What we need is a cheap lawyer not a good one. I dont think its rocket science taking a draft and making a few global changes in the doc, as in case of a society registration! Once the society is registered, we can hire a part time accountant to do one time filing of returns... Can't cost ore 3-5 k
what we need is a good lawyer. not a cheapskate. I have spoken to some
On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote: people
in Bangalore. Please be patient. [..]
Thank you Kenneth. If there are any other leads which people have, please let me know. Perhaps the Mahiti folks have contacts with a couple of lawyers who they trust?
I have a couple of 2nd level contacts in Bangalore. I can let you know by Monday.
Thanks
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Any leads? I'd like to speak to some people to get the ball rolling as soon as possible. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Tuesday 10 Nov 2009 9:31:19 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
Any leads? I'd like to speak to some people to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
I am expecting a reply today -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 Nov 2009 9:31:19 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
Any leads? I'd like to speak to some people to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
I am expecting a reply today
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 11:07:07 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 Nov 2009 9:31:19 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
Any leads? I'd like to speak to some people to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
I am expecting a reply today
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone?
got a shortlist of 3 people, am checking them out -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 11:12:13 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone?
got a shortlist of 3 people, am checking them out
btw, I understand a Kannada translation has to be made for filing. In my experience of the legal fraternity in Bangalore, they always make a total dogs breakfast of the Kannada translation - those lawyers that understand English do not understand Kannada and vice versa. Can someone here stand by to do the translation? (Pradeep G - hint, hint) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 11:12:13 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone?
got a shortlist of 3 people, am checking them out
btw, I understand a Kannada translation has to be made for filing. In my experience of the legal fraternity in Bangalore, they always make a total dogs breakfast of the Kannada translation - those lawyers that understand English do not understand Kannada and vice versa. Can someone here stand by to do the translation? (Pradeep G - hint, hint)
Once we get a lawyer and start, I'm sure I can ask some of the guys on the list who are fluent in Kannada (or even some other friends who are from Bangalore) to pitch in when it's needed. I atleast want to get a quote on how much it will cost etc. and get the ball rolling. Otherwise, this whole initiative is going to fizzle out. You know the drill. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 11:12:13 am Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone?
got a shortlist of 3 people, am checking them out
btw, I understand a Kannada translation has to be made for filing. In my experience of the legal fraternity in Bangalore, they always make a total dogs breakfast of the Kannada translation - those lawyers that understand English do not understand Kannada and vice versa. Can someone here stand by to do
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote: the
translation? (Pradeep G - hint, hint)
Once we get a lawyer and start, I'm sure I can ask some of the guys on the list who are fluent in Kannada (or even some other friends who are from Bangalore) to pitch in when it's needed.
I atleast want to get a quote on how much it will cost etc. and get the ball rolling. Otherwise, this whole initiative is going to fizzle out. You know the drill.
In case we are not able to resolve this by Monday, please go back to the original guy, knock him down to 10,000 and close this, I can talk to him or the guy who referred me to him. I know it pinches, but we just don't have the time to run behind this like this. We need to actually think of things beyond registering the society. I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range. Btw Pradeep is in US,we may have to scan and send the docs..... -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 11:57:19 am Ramdas S wrote:
In case we are not able to resolve this by Monday, please go back to the original guy, knock him down to 10,000 and close this, I can talk to him or the guy who referred me to him. I know it pinches, but we just don't have the time to run behind this like this. We need to actually think of things beyond registering the society.
anything worth doing is worth doing properly. There is a consensus against under-the-table payments.
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range.
Btw Pradeep is in US,we may have to scan and send the docs.....
no big deal - no need to scan also. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote: [..]
In case we are not able to resolve this by Monday, please go back to the original guy, knock him down to 10,000 and close this, I can talk to him or the guy who referred me to him. I know it pinches, but we just don't have the time to run behind this like this. We need to actually think of things beyond registering the society.
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range.[..]
Kausik mentioned doing a registration recently for less than 10k. Or am I missing something here? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 12:05:38 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range.[..]
Kausik mentioned doing a registration recently for less than 10k. Or am I missing something here?
in Chennai - registration + annual filing - this is what I am negotiating. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
in Chennai - registration + annual filing - this is what I am negotiating.
i will push the details of my guy to kenneth and will also see if he can file it in bangalore. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.net | Blog: chaosbudha.blogspot.com | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram@gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490
On Thursday 12 Nov 2009 1:02:25 pm kausikram krishnasayee wrote:
in Chennai - registration + annual filing - this is what I am negotiating.
i will push the details of my guy to kenneth and will also see if he can file it in bangalore.
no news as yet from your guy. Meanwhile my efforts have also ended in failure. We contacted three reliable CAs. Two of them backed out saying that their lawyers had taken them for a ride the previous time and were not willing to guarantee their performance. The third has a 'stinky' lawyer. Since it does not really matter where the society is registered, or where the bank account is, it may be better to register it where we can get trustworthy lawyers - maybe Chennai or even Ooty if it comes to that. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 08:42, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote: [.......]
is, it may be better to register it where we can get trustworthy lawyers -
Has anyone tried pinging folks from altlawforum.org in bangalore? I have Lawrence Liang's cell number but am not sure if he would like it listed here and I dont know if they will take up this work so please mail: lawrence AT altlawforum D0T org or arvind AT altlawforum D0T org to find out if this is their field of interest. Also try contacting prasanth AT cyberjuris D0T in , who iirc was associated with altlaw earlier. hth, -- || vid | http://svaksha.com ||
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote: [..]
In case we are not able to resolve this by Monday, please go back to the original guy, knock him down to 10,000 and close this, I can talk to him or the guy who referred me to him. I know it pinches, but we just don't have the time to run behind this like this. We need to actually think of things beyond registering the society.
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range. [..]
I'll call him today and fix it. 10-15k it is then. Anyone see any problems? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 11:41:19 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range.
[..]
I'll call him today and fix it. 10-15k it is then. Anyone see any problems?
I object to paying under the table money - we can do it in Chennai or elsewhere. It does not matter where the society is registered as long as we open a bank account - and it does not matter where the account is as long as it is in India. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:59 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Monday 16 Nov 2009 11:41:19 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I checked with couple more lawyers, and everyone is in the 15,000 bucks range.
[..]
I'll call him today and fix it. 10-15k it is then. Anyone see any problems?
I object to paying under the table money - we can do it in Chennai or elsewhere. It does not matter where the society is registered as long as we open a bank account - and it does not matter where the account is as long as it is in India. [..]
I don't know how much of it is under the table and how much of it is official. Ramdas contacted some people here and said that everyone was charging around 10-15k. I guess that's pretty much the going rate. Are things very different in Chennai? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Tuesday 17 Nov 2009 10:13:17 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I object to paying under the table money - we can do it in Chennai or elsewhere. It does not matter where the society is registered as long as we open a bank account - and it does not matter where the account is as long as it is in India.
[..]
I don't know how much of it is under the table and how much of it is official. Ramdas contacted some people here and said that everyone was charging around 10-15k. I guess that's pretty much the going rate. Are things very different in Chennai?
the registration is Rs.50/-, maybe translation costs a few hundreds - the remaining 9K odd is under the table, with probably the lawyer taking the lion's share. Most good lawyers and chartered accountants in Bangalore refuse to deal with govt officials. They draft the thing, prepare everything and ask you you to hire a tout to get things done. Yes, even in Chennai or Ooty you may have to shell out some 'speed money' - but not on this scale. I'm just checking the rates in Ooty - if ok it can be done hassle free. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
I don't know how much of it is under the table and how much of it is official. Ramdas contacted some people here and said that everyone was charging around 10-15k. I guess that's pretty much the going rate. Are things very different in Chennai?
the registration is Rs.50/-, maybe translation costs a few hundreds - the remaining 9K odd is under the table, with probably the lawyer taking the lion's share. Most good lawyers and chartered accountants in Bangalore refuse to deal with govt officials. They draft the thing, prepare everything and ask you you to hire a tout to get things done. Yes, even in Chennai or Ooty you may have to shell out some 'speed money' - but not on this scale. I'm just checking the rates in Ooty - if ok it can be done hassle free.
In Bangalore you cannot get it done at a cheaper rate unless we have a lawyer who'll be willing to waive off their fees. I spoke with my personal lawyer and he said he doesn't do such jobs, but explained that the leg work needed to get things done without paying bribes is huge, and may involve someone forced to run around four to five times due to red tapism, which is effort at the lawyer's side and he'll charge for it. Otherwise if the lawyer needs to get it done fast, he needs to bribe. Either way the point is its going to cost us money and this'll be to the tune of Rs 10-15 K in Bangalore I had suggested in an earlier mail in this thread, checking whether this can be done at any other city or town, where the legal fees and running around costs are lower. I think it's a good idea to do the exercise off Ooty, since Kenneth is down there. I'd imagine that the costs whether legal fees or other charges will be less than 5000. My lawyer tells me, as long as there's consensus among key community guys, it really doesn't matter where it's registered, any Indian can become a member and also key functionary. With all due respect to everyone here, we also need to set a deadline to these things. If we are not finding a reliable alternative out of Ooty by say Nov 27th or December 1st , we'll need to fall up on the first option in Bangalore.
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Ramdas S <ramdaz@gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
With all due respect to everyone here, we also need to set a deadline to these things. If we are not finding a reliable alternative out of Ooty by say Nov 27th or December 1st , we'll need to fall up on the first option in Bangalore. [..]
+1 -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Wednesday 18 Nov 2009 12:48:53 am Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
With all due respect to everyone here, we also need to set a deadline to these things. If we are not finding a reliable alternative out of Ooty by say Nov 27th or December 1st , we'll need to fall up on the first option in Bangalore. [..]
+1
I will have a reply sometime today -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org> wrote:
On Tuesday 10 Nov 2009 9:31:19 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
Any leads? I'd like to speak to some people to get the ball rolling as soon as possible.
I am expecting a reply today
Any news? Anand. You mentioned that you had some contacts which we could speak to? Anyone?
Sorry, 1 lead fizzled out. I will find out about the other. I guess your best bet is Kenneth.
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Regards, -- --Anand
On Friday 06 Nov 2009 3:49:33 pm Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
I talked to him today and he says that he can do the whole thing for 15k including his fees. He says that these kinds of things involve a lot of under the table costs and this is what the total will come upto.
Comments? Should we go for another lawyer? Any suggestions?
avoid this guy -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Project Officer NRC-FOSS http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/
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Anand Balachandran Pillai -
Anand Chitipothu -
kausikram krishnasayee -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
Noufal Ibrahim -
Ramdas S -
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