Hello everyone, Anand has sent me a draft of the CFP which I've put up on the wiki at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CallForProposals The formatting is a little rusty since my own laptop has all but bitten the dust and I'm doing this on a friends machine with a foreign environment. We're late with this. If we don't get this out in a few days, our entire conference is going to suffer. Bad talks is the death blow to an event like ours and we have to take all steps to keep the quality high. The main way to do it is to give people time to submit stuff and to review the submissions seriously before the conference. Anand's proposals have timelines in them which are quite tight but the best we can manage right now. I can't over emphasise the need to review and get this out the door quickly and to publicise the CFP. It would be wonderful if you folks on the list can take a look see at the draft on the link above and suggest corrections. If there are typos, formatting fixes etc., it's a wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list. Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. This is the main part of the conf! Thanks. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list.
Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. .
The draft looks superb in my view, just two suggestions to change. "PyCon <http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon> India is the first..." , we already had another conference last year, so this should not be named first. We could probably have it like "PyCon <http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon>India is the only conference of its kind..." "India for the 2nd time from Sep 25-26 2010" ==> "India for the 2nd time from Sep 25 to Sep26 ' 2010" -Thanks Santhosh
Feel free to edit, it's a wiki after all. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Santhosh Divakar <santhosh.divakar@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list.
Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. .
The draft looks superb in my view, just two suggestions to change.
"PyCon <http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon> India is the first..." , we already had another conference last year, so this should not be named first. We could probably have it like "PyCon <http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyCon>India is the only conference of its kind..."
"India for the 2nd time from Sep 25-26 2010" ==> "India for the 2nd time from Sep 25 to Sep26 ' 2010"
-Thanks Santhosh
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Hi, Thanks for writing Noufal, I got a bit busy at office to upload this in time. It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP . Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal. Go through this and let me know your comments. I am top-posting specifically so that this email doesn't go un-noticed. I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details. If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ? Thanks --Anand On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Anand has sent me a draft of the CFP which I've put up on the wiki at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CallForProposals
The formatting is a little rusty since my own laptop has all but bitten the dust and I'm doing this on a friends machine with a foreign environment.
We're late with this. If we don't get this out in a few days, our entire conference is going to suffer. Bad talks is the death blow to an event like ours and we have to take all steps to keep the quality high. The main way to do it is to give people time to submit stuff and to review the submissions seriously before the conference. Anand's proposals have timelines in them which are quite tight but the best we can manage right now.
I can't over emphasise the need to review and get this out the door quickly and to publicise the CFP. It would be wonderful if you folks on the list can take a look see at the draft on the link above and suggest corrections. If there are typos, formatting fixes etc., it's a wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list.
Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. This is the main part of the conf!
Thanks.
-- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- --Anand
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for writing Noufal, I got a bit busy at office to upload this in time.
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP. Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
Go through this and let me know your comments. I am top-posting specifically so that this email doesn't go un-noticed.
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ?
Btw, sorry for the short notice, but it would be great if feedback is received by June 10th i.e within 2 days. We should try to open it up by at most June 14th i.e next Monday, though if possible keep the same date, i.e June 11th.
Thanks
--Anand
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Anand has sent me a draft of the CFP which I've put up on the wiki at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CallForProposals
The formatting is a little rusty since my own laptop has all but bitten the dust and I'm doing this on a friends machine with a foreign environment.
We're late with this. If we don't get this out in a few days, our entire conference is going to suffer. Bad talks is the death blow to an event like ours and we have to take all steps to keep the quality high. The main way to do it is to give people time to submit stuff and to review the submissions seriously before the conference. Anand's proposals have timelines in them which are quite tight but the best we can manage right now.
I can't over emphasise the need to review and get this out the door quickly and to publicise the CFP. It would be wonderful if you folks on the list can take a look see at the draft on the link above and suggest corrections. If there are typos, formatting fixes etc., it's a wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list.
Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. This is the main part of the conf!
Thanks.
-- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- --Anand
-- --Anand
The CFP draft looks great. Did some trivial edits. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for writing Noufal, I got a bit busy at office to upload this in time.
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP. Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
Go through this and let me know your comments. I am top-posting specifically so that this email doesn't go un-noticed.
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ?
Btw, sorry for the short notice, but it would be great if feedback is received by June 10th i.e within 2 days. We should try to open it up by at most June 14th i.e next Monday, though if possible keep the same date, i.e June 11th.
Thanks
--Anand
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everyone, Anand has sent me a draft of the CFP which I've put up on the wiki at http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CallForProposals
The formatting is a little rusty since my own laptop has all but bitten the dust and I'm doing this on a friends machine with a foreign environment.
We're late with this. If we don't get this out in a few days, our entire conference is going to suffer. Bad talks is the death blow to an event like ours and we have to take all steps to keep the quality high. The main way to do it is to give people time to submit stuff and to review the submissions seriously before the conference. Anand's proposals have timelines in them which are quite tight but the best we can manage right now.
I can't over emphasise the need to review and get this out the door quickly and to publicise the CFP. It would be wonderful if you folks on the list can take a look see at the draft on the link above and suggest corrections. If there are typos, formatting fixes etc., it's a wiki, please go ahead and make them. For larger changes, do mail back to the list.
Please take a look and mail back. We have to get this out by the week and flood the interwebs with notifications about this. This is the main part of the conf!
Thanks.
-- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
-- --Anand
-- --Anand
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I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
Yes, I can build a simple submission submission system.
If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ?
I'm fine with either one. We already have contact@in.pycon.org, redirecting to Noufal. We can use that. Anand
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
Yes, I can build a simple submission submission system.
Very good. From the CFP you can see that we need the f following details. 1. Talk title 2. Duration 3. Category tags - We can either provide some standard tags but better this be a free field where user can enter his own tags. 4. Level - beginner/intermediate/advanced 5. Summary 6. Detailed outline (for reviewers) 7. Notes (for reviewers) 8. Primary author's - up to 3 names 9. Contact email(s) - This defaults to the email address of the user by which he has registered as a delegate in the pycon site. But he should be able to specify another email address. The proposal approval, reminder etc will be sent to this email. 10. Presented in Pycon 2009 ? - This could be useful to track our talkers. 11. If (10) name of the talk (optional)
If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ?
If we can have the form, nothing like it. We don't need both options as that will confuse the submitters.
I'm fine with either one. We already have contact@in.pycon.org, redirecting to Noufal. We can use that.
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Thanks, -- --Anand
2010/6/8 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai@gmail.com>:
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
Yes, I can build a simple submission submission system.
Very good. From the CFP you can see that we need the f following details.
1. Talk title 2. Duration 3. Category tags - We can either provide some standard tags but better this be a free field where user can enter his own tags. 4. Level - beginner/intermediate/advanced 5. Summary 6. Detailed outline (for reviewers) 7. Notes (for reviewers) 8. Primary author's - up to 3 names 9. Contact email(s) - This defaults to the email address of the user by which he has registered as a delegate in the pycon site. But he should be able to specify another email address. The proposal approval, reminder etc will be sent to this email. 10. Presented in Pycon 2009 ? - This could be useful to track our talkers. 11. If (10) name of the talk (optional)
User doesn't have to create an account in the website to register for the conference. I don't want to make each delegate to remember yet another password. We are starting CFP before the user registrations so default values in #9 is invalid. I would like to simplify it further. 1. talk title 2. duration 3. categories 4. level 5. summary 6. authors 7. contact address 8. notes for reviewers 9. support for uploading slides I'll implement a form with 1-7 now. #8 and #9 will be implemented later. The submitter will get an email after successful submission and that email will contain a link to edit submitted talk. Anyone who knows the URL will be able to edit the talk. No registration required! Anand
It would be nice to have (in addition to the following fields) a general "catch all" - something like "any other comments" since there's always extra stuff people sometimes need to say. Publicising this is going to be a little hard so let's get this out fast and then concentrate on that. Twitter, blogs, planets, mailing lists, telegrams, telephones, express messenger, word of mouth and other channels anyone can think of. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/6/8 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai@gmail.com>:
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
Yes, I can build a simple submission submission system.
Very good. From the CFP you can see that we need the f following details.
1. Talk title 2. Duration 3. Category tags - We can either provide some standard tags but better this be a free field where user can enter his own tags. 4. Level - beginner/intermediate/advanced 5. Summary 6. Detailed outline (for reviewers) 7. Notes (for reviewers) 8. Primary author's - up to 3 names 9. Contact email(s) - This defaults to the email address of the user by which he has registered as a delegate in the pycon site. But he should be able to specify another email address. The proposal approval, reminder etc will be sent to this email. 10. Presented in Pycon 2009 ? - This could be useful to track our talkers. 11. If (10) name of the talk (optional)
User doesn't have to create an account in the website to register for the conference. I don't want to make each delegate to remember yet another password. We are starting CFP before the user registrations so default values in #9 is invalid.
I would like to simplify it further.
1. talk title 2. duration 3. categories 4. level 5. summary 6. authors 7. contact address 8. notes for reviewers 9. support for uploading slides
I'll implement a form with 1-7 now. #8 and #9 will be implemented later.
The submitter will get an email after successful submission and that email will contain a link to edit submitted talk. Anyone who knows the URL will be able to edit the talk. No registration required!
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2010/6/8 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com>:
It would be nice to have (in addition to the following fields) a general "catch all" - something like "any other comments" since there's always extra stuff people sometimes need to say.
For submitters or reviewers? Both, description and notes will be markdown fields. Additional notes can be added in the same field at the end if required, Anand
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
2010/6/8 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com>:
It would be nice to have (in addition to the following fields) a general "catch all" - something like "any other comments" since there's always extra stuff people sometimes need to say.
For submitters or reviewers?
Both, description and notes will be markdown fields. Additional notes can be added in the same field at the end if required,
Silly me. I missed the "notes" field. That should work. You can ignore my previous comment and go right ahead. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for writing Noufal, I got a bit busy at office to upload this in time.
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP . Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
No issues. I'll remove my link. I just put it there to expedite the business. Let's not have 2 links to confuse people.
Go through this and let me know your comments. I am top-posting specifically so that this email doesn't go un-noticed.
I would like to know if it is possible to have a proposal submission system on the web-site in place by June 11th. Something like a simple web-form which can be used by the submitter to upload proposals. If so I will update <URL> with it and provide more details.
If we prefer the simpler email way, then I need a <submit@site> email where we can receive proposals. I don't want to give a personal email address here - so I request suggestions. Can we have <submit@in.python.org> ?
It would be nice to put a timeout on the submission system. I would prefer a form to email but either way is fine. We need to get the CFP up and start publicising it by the end of the week. If the form based submission is ready by then, well and good. If not, let's do email. Thanks -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 16:30:21 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
writing Noufal, I got a bit busy at office to upload this in time.
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP . Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
looks good - I added a small clause regarding license for release of talks. We need to determine exactly what license we are going to use. Also mention of lightning talks, BOFs, sprints should be there - may be not a call for proposals yet, but at least to make sure people are aware of this and that we do not lose sight of it. -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:05:56 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP . Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
looks good - I added a small clause regarding license for release of talks. We need to determine exactly what license we are going to use. Also mention of lightning talks, BOFs, sprints should be there - may be not a call for proposals yet, but at least to make sure people are aware of this and that we do not lose sight of it.
I would suggest this license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ also wrt audience: 'The conference is aimed at the python community and the participants will be members of the community of various levels. Although total newcomers to python will be welcome, the conference will not be in any way focussed on introducing python.' or something on these lines ... -- regards kg http://livejournal.com/lawgon
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@thenilgiris.com>wrote:
It is done and the URL is http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/CFP . Please ignore the previous URL sent by Noufal.
looks good - I added a small clause regarding license for release of talks. We need to determine exactly what license we are going to use. Also mention of lightning talks, BOFs, sprints should be there - may be not a call for proposals yet, but at least to make sure people are aware of
On Wednesday 09 June 2010 11:05:56 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: this
and that we do not lose sight of it.
I would suggest this license: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/
Added this.
also wrt audience: 'The conference is aimed at the python community and the participants will be members of the community of various levels. Although total newcomers to python will be welcome, the conference will not be in any way focussed on introducing python.'
or something on these lines ...
Thanks very much for all the comments and updates on this. I have made some changes. Anand, if you can let me know the submit URL by EOD today, I will update the CFP with this also and send an email to the group. Then we can copy the text to the conference site and go live on this. It will be good to test the submit URL before we do so to make sure there are no obvious bugs. If you need more time for this let me know, so we can postpone this by 1 or 2 days. I would prefer to go live tomorrow as scheduled or at most by Monday June 14th since we are already running a packed schedule.
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Thanks, -- --Anand
I have made some changes. Anand, if you can let me know the submit URL by EOD today, I will update the CFP with this also and send an email to the group. Then we can copy the text to the conference site and go live on this.
http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
It will be good to test the submit URL before we do so to make sure there are no obvious bugs. If you need more time for this let me know, so we can postpone this by 1 or 2 days. I would prefer to go live tomorrow as scheduled or at most by Monday June 14th since we are already running a packed schedule.
It is ready. For now, it just sends an email to Noufal, Anand B Pillai and Anand Chitipothu. I'm planning to put a real implementation by the end of next week and I'll make sure any submissions before that are moved to the system. Any objections? Anand
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
I have made some changes. Anand, if you can let me know the submit URL by EOD today, I will update the CFP with this also and send an email to the group. Then we can copy the text to the conference site and go live on this.
http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
It will be good to test the submit URL before we do so to make sure there are no obvious bugs. If you need more time for this let me know, so we can postpone this by 1 or 2 days. I would prefer to go live tomorrow as scheduled or at most by Monday June 14th since we are already running a packed schedule.
It is ready. For now, it just sends an email to Noufal, Anand B Pillai and Anand Chitipothu.
I'm planning to put a real implementation by the end of next week and I'll make sure any submissions before that are moved to the system.
Any objections?
No problems with the email part. But regarding the interface I have a few suggestions. 1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ? 2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface. 3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ? 4. Does it make sense to generate a unique ID for a talk that is submitted ? I am most concerned about (2), others are fine in the current form. I cannot review a talk with the information the current UI provides. Thanks --Anand
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-- --Anand
did a test On Thursday 10 June 2010 17:32:59 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ?
yes, needed
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface. 3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
again needed
4. Does it make sense to generate a unique ID for a talk that is submitted ?
there is no verification of the email address submitted - I put an invalid one and it was accepted. Also I wonder if there is any protection against bots submitting talks - we *do* have people around who enjoy exposing such vulnerabilities ;-) and I just submitted a blank form - that went through also. Apparently there is no verification set up so far. -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
did a test
On Thursday 10 June 2010 17:32:59 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ?
yes, needed
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface. 3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
again needed
4. Does it make sense to generate a unique ID for a talk that is submitted ?
there is no verification of the email address submitted - I put an invalid one and it was accepted. Also I wonder if there is any protection against bots submitting talks - we *do* have people around who enjoy exposing such vulnerabilities ;-)
and I just submitted a blank form - that went through also. Apparently there is no verification set up so far.
Oh, so it was you who did it :) Can we use simple verification like an email regex at least ? I am not sure how tough this is, but seems easier with javascript since it is quite common now a days. For bots, a CAPTCHA is needed. Perhaps we can have a simple one like what they use at wiki.python.org ? A few random questions that cycle and the user has to enter the answer ? There is no need of a complicated image CAPTCHA for this.
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-- --Anand
and I just submitted a blank form - that went through also. Apparently there is no verification set up so far.
Oh, so it was you who did it :)
Can we use simple verification like an email regex at least ? I am not sure how tough this is, but seems easier with javascript since it is quite common now a days.
I'm aware of it. Will do it tomorrow.
For bots, a CAPTCHA is needed. Perhaps we can have a simple one like what they use at wiki.python.org ? A few random questions that cycle and the user has to enter the answer ?
There is no need of a complicated image CAPTCHA for this.
NO for captchas. I manage openlibrary.org, which gets about 200K unique visitors/day and the amount of spam is quite manageable. Yes, we run without captchas. I don't expect bot attack on in.pycon.org. May be I can add a constraint to not allow more than one talk submission in 5 miniutes from any given IP. That will take care of spam. Anand
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote: [..]
For bots, a CAPTCHA is needed. Perhaps we can have a simple one like what they use at wiki.python.org ? A few random questions that cycle and the user has to enter the answer ?
There is no need of a complicated image CAPTCHA for this.
I don't think we're popular enough to get hits from spambots. A Captcha/textcha is overkill. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Thursday 10 June 2010 17:50:11 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
did a test
On Thursday 10 June 2010 17:32:59 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ?
yes, needed
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface. 3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
again needed
4. Does it make sense to generate a unique ID for a talk that is submitted ?
there is no verification of the email address submitted - I put an invalid one and it was accepted. Also I wonder if there is any protection against bots submitting talks - we *do* have people around who enjoy exposing such vulnerabilities ;-)
and I just submitted a blank form - that went through also. Apparently there is no verification set up so far.
and one more thing - author profile is needed - who he is, his affiliation and qualifications/experience, background etc -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ?
OK. Will do it tomorrow.
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface.
It is not clear to me. Do you want a description/notes field only for reviewers? The interface for reviewers is not built yet and I'll include that field when I build that.
3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
OK. WIll do it tomorrow.
4. Does it make sense to generate a unique ID for a talk that is submitted ?
Will be ready by next week. The URL for talks will be like talks/12-how-to-run-pycon. Anand
2010/6/10 Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>:
1. Duration - Since we accept only 30/45 mins talk, why note make this a drop down with only these 2 choices ?
OK. Will do it tomorrow.
Done.
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface.
It is not clear to me. Do you want a description/notes field only for reviewers? The interface for reviewers is not built yet and I'll include that field when I build that.
Anand B: I'm waiting for your clarification.
3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
OK. WIll do it tomorrow.
Done. Also added validation to the form. Anand C
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
[..]
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface.
It is not clear to me. Do you want a description/notes field only for reviewers? The interface for reviewers is not built yet and I'll include that field when I build that. [..]
Anand B.'s point is that there should be a "summary" field and a separate "description" field. The summary field is a very short (less than 100 words) summary of the presentation which will be displayed on the site when someone clicks on the talk etc. It's how the public will know what the talk is about. The Description field will be long and detailed describing exactly what the talker is intending to talk about. This is what the reviewers will look at to see if this talk can be selected or not. People will not be uploading the entire slide deck etc. when they register their talk but they will *have* to fill this and this is what will be used to review the talk and decide whether we're going to have it or not. Right? I think this makes sense -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
2010/6/11 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a summary which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface.
It is not clear to me. Do you want a description/notes field only for reviewers? The interface for reviewers is not built yet and I'll include that field when I build that. [..]
Anand B.'s point is that there should be a "summary" field and a separate "description" field.
The summary field is a very short (less than 100 words) summary of the presentation which will be displayed on the site when someone clicks on the talk etc. It's how the public will know what the talk is about.
The Description field will be long and detailed describing exactly what the talker is intending to talk about. This is what the reviewers will look at to see if this talk can be selected or not. People will not be uploading the entire slide deck etc. when they register their talk but they will *have* to fill this and this is what will be used to review the talk and decide whether we're going to have it or not.
Right?
I think this makes sense
OK. Summary. (summary of your talk in less than 100 words). Description (describe your talk in detail for reviewers) I'm not quite happy with the the description of the "description" field. Any suggestions? Anand
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
2010/6/11 Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
2. I had added "Description" in the CFP for detailed outline for reviewers plus notes. It is not possible to review a proposal with just a
which we say should not be more than 100 words. This is required in the interface.
It is not clear to me. Do you want a description/notes field only for reviewers? The interface for reviewers is not built yet and I'll include that field when I build that. [..]
Anand B.'s point is that there should be a "summary" field and a separate "description" field.
The summary field is a very short (less than 100 words) summary of the presentation which will be displayed on the site when someone clicks on
talk etc. It's how the public will know what the talk is about.
The Description field will be long and detailed describing exactly what
talker is intending to talk about. This is what the reviewers will look at to see if this talk can be selected or not. People will not be uploading
summary the the the
entire slide deck etc. when they register their talk but they will *have* to fill this and this is what will be used to review the talk and decide whether we're going to have it or not.
Right?
I think this makes sense
OK.
Summary. (summary of your talk in less than 100 words).
Description (describe your talk in detail for reviewers)
I'm not quite happy with the the description of the "description" field. Any suggestions?
The current description looks fine to me. Actually you don't need a description of the description. Just do as follows. Description Outline (A detailed outline of your talk, for reviewers only) <textarea> Notes (Notes for reviewers, if any) <textarea>
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Summary. (summary of your talk in less than 100 words).
Description (describe your talk in detail for reviewers)
I'm not quite happy with the the description of the "description" field. Any suggestions?
The current description looks fine to me. Actually you don't need a description of the description. Just do as follows.
Description
Outline (A detailed outline of your talk, for reviewers only) <textarea>
Notes (Notes for reviewers, if any) <textarea>
Do you want to add two textareas outline and notes?
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
Summary. (summary of your talk in less than 100 words).
Description (describe your talk in detail for reviewers)
I'm not quite happy with the the description of the "description" field. Any suggestions?
The current description looks fine to me. Actually you don't need a description of the description. Just do as follows.
Description
Outline (A detailed outline of your talk, for reviewers only) <textarea>
Notes (Notes for reviewers, if any) <textarea>
Do you want to add two textareas outline and notes?
Yes. Outlines bigger and notes smaller in size.
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 11:56:46 Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote:
Do you want to add two textareas outline and notes?
Yes. Outlines bigger and notes smaller in size.
speaker bio?
+1. People *have* to have an avenue to pimp themselves. :) -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Friday 11 June 2010 12:27:39 Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
speaker bio?
+1. People have to have an avenue to pimp themselves. :)
although most of the speakers would be known to us - there is a possibility of unknown people also coming forward - and it helps to weed out 'professional' speakers -- Regards Kenneth Gonsalves Senior Associate NRC-FOSS at AU-KBC
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 12:27:39 Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
speaker bio?
+1. People have to have an avenue to pimp themselves. :)
although most of the speakers would be known to us - there is a possibility of unknown people also coming forward - and it helps to weed out 'professional' speakers
Yeah. I think it's a good idea. It's just that my sense of humour is as usual way off mark. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 12:27:39 Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
speaker bio?
+1. People have to have an avenue to pimp themselves. :)
although most of the speakers would be known to us - there is a possibility of unknown people also coming forward - and it helps to weed out 'professional' speakers
Yeah. I think it's a good idea. It's just that my sense of humour is as usual way off mark.
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of the day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it. Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki. Since we are going to open this say by tomorrow, let us put the opening date as June 12, since today is no longer feasible. Is that okay with everyone ?
-- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
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On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <lawgon@au-kbc.org>wrote:
On Friday 11 June 2010 12:27:39 Noufal Ibrahim wrote:
speaker bio?
+1. People have to have an avenue to pimp themselves. :)
although most of the speakers would be known to us - there is a possibility of unknown people also coming forward - and it helps to weed out 'professional' speakers
Yeah. I think it's a good idea. It's just that my sense of humour is as usual way off mark.
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of the day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it.
Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki.
Since we are going to open this say by tomorrow, let us put the opening date as June 12, since today is no longer feasible. Is that okay with everyone ?
+1. The sooner the better.
-- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of the day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it.
Done. http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki.
I'm out of town for the weekend. Please add the CFP to the website once your final modifications are done.
Since we are going to open this say by tomorrow, let us put the opening date as June 12, since today is no longer feasible. Is that okay with everyone ?
Fine with me. Anand
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of the day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it.
Done.
http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki.
I'm out of town for the weekend. Please add the CFP to the website once your final modifications are done.
How to do that ? I have no idea. Can you let me know the modus operandi ? Or ask someone with the gyan to help me.
Since we are going to open this say by tomorrow, let us put the opening date as June 12, since today is no longer feasible. Is that okay with everyone ?
Fine with me.
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2010/6/11 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of the day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it.
Done.
http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki.
I'm out of town for the weekend. Please add the CFP to the website once your final modifications are done.
How to do that ? I have no idea. Can you let me know the modus operandi ? Or ask someone with the gyan to help me.
Please create an account in the website from http://in.pycon.org/2010/account/register and let me know. I'll give you required permissions to edit the pages. After that you have to go to http://in.pycon.org/2010/cfp and click on the Edit link at the bottom of the page (visible only to the logged in users). The website uses markdown for formatting. http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/ Anand
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
2010/6/11 Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai@gmail.com>:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok folks, this has gone long enough. Please provide this at end of
the
day. Speaker bio, outline, notes whatever - I will take it.
Done.
http://in.pycon.org/2010/talks/submit
Anand, I will send the modified final CFP to you by EOD (before the world cup starts!) and also try to update it in the wiki.
I'm out of town for the weekend. Please add the CFP to the website once your final modifications are done.
How to do that ? I have no idea. Can you let me know the modus operandi ? Or ask someone with the gyan to help me.
Please create an account in the website from http://in.pycon.org/2010/account/register and let me know. I'll give you required permissions to edit the pages.
After that you have to go to http://in.pycon.org/2010/cfp and click on the Edit link at the bottom of the page (visible only to the logged in users).
The website uses markdown for formatting. http://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/
I spent nearly half an hour in the night trying to get any kind of list going in the text. Unordererd or ordered list are all showing up in the page without the bullet mark. I have tried all kinds of mark-down syntax, putting raw HTML (<ul><li>...</li></ul>), but the text I want to bullet just shows up as, """ Contents Important dates Permission to record/release presentations """ Not good - what is the point in having so much technology if it cannot render something as silly as a list properly ? Looks like you have a problem with your stylesheets. I wanted to put this up today night, but without lists showing up as lists in the site, I can't go forward because I am using a lot of bulletted and numbered lists in the CFP as you can see from the draft. And I thought moimoin was a pain! Please someone fix this annoying problem if they know how to hack stylesheets. I hit my limits with HTML/CSS etc within half an hour at the most since I never do this stuff. http://in.pycon.org/2010/cfp HTML source shows <ul>...</ul> correctly but rendering shows no sign of a list being there.
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I spent nearly half an hour in the night trying to get any kind of list going in the text. Unordererd or ordered list are all showing up in the page without the bullet mark. I have tried all kinds of mark-down syntax, putting raw HTML (<ul><li>...</li></ul>), but the text I want to bullet just shows up as,
""" Contents Important dates Permission to record/release presentations
"""
Not good - what is the point in having so much technology if it cannot render something as silly as a list properly ?
Looks like you have a problem with your stylesheets. I wanted to put this up today night, but without lists showing up as lists in the site, I can't go forward because I am using a lot of bulletted and numbered lists in the CFP as you can see from the draft.
And I thought moimoin was a pain!
Please someone fix this annoying problem if they know how to hack stylesheets. I hit my limits with HTML/CSS etc within half an hour at the most since I never do this stuff.
HTML source shows <ul>...</ul> correctly but rendering shows no sign of a list being there.
Yes, that was a css issue. Fixed now. Anand
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai@gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
Summary. (summary of your talk in less than 100 words).
Description (describe your talk in detail for reviewers)
I'm not quite happy with the the description of the "description" field. Any suggestions?
The current description looks fine to me. Actually you don't need a description of the description. Just do as follows.
Description
Outline (A detailed outline of your talk, for reviewers only) <textarea>
Notes (Notes for reviewers, if any) <textarea>
Isn't this a little redundant? Why a separate notes field? We'll have one box called "Description" or "Detailed outline" which contains the outline along with notes for the reviewers. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology@gmail.com>wrote:
3. Can we have a "topic" category which lists the main topics I have in the CFP which the user can select then ?
Do we still need tags?
Sure, why not. If they want to fill in let them do it. These could be additional tags which decorate the talk, apart from the main category.
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Anand Balachandran Pillai -
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Kenneth Gonsalves -
Kenneth Gonsalves -
Noufal Ibrahim -
Santhosh Divakar -
Shashwat Anand