Mailman 3 December 2006 - Mailman-coders

[ mailman-Patches-657951 ] Generate RSS summary in archives
by SourceForge.net 19 Aug '22

19 Aug '22

Patches item #657951, was opened at 2002-12-23 14:17 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by bwarsaw You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=657951&group_i… Category: Pipermail Group: Mailman 2.2 / 3.0 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 7 Submitted By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Generate RSS summary in archives Initial Comment: Here's a first-draft patch. Things that need fixing: * The generated RSS feed needs to be validated. (It passed the W3C's RDF validator, but RSS validators still need to be checked.) * The date should be given in YYYY-MM-DD format, which requires parsing the .fromdate attribute. * How do I get the URL for an archived message? The generated RSS currently just uses the filename, which is wrong. How do I get at the PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL setting? * Getting the most recent N postings is inefficient; the code loops through all of the archived messages and takes the last N of them. We could add .last() and .prev() methods to the Database class, but that's more ambitious for 2.1beta than I like. (Would be nice to get this into 2.1final...) * The list index page should have a LINK element pointing to the RSS file. Please make any comments you have, and I'll rework the patch accordingly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2003-04-18 18:43 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 Andrew, to get the url for the archived message use mlist.GetBaseArchiveURL(), which knows about private vs. public archives, the host name and the list name. From there you should be able to tack on just the part of the path under "archives/private/listname". See Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py for an example. Only other minor comment: NUM_ARTICLES can probably go in Defaults.py.in ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Justin Mason (jmason) Date: 2003-03-26 16:49 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=935 big thumbs up from me too. Much better solution than http://taint.org/mmrss/ ;) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Uche Ogbuji (uche) Date: 2003-03-17 20:09 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=38966 I'd like to add my vote to this item. This is a fantastic idea, Andrew. Thanks. --Uche ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling) Date: 2002-12-23 15:42 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=11375 Updated patch: * Dates are now rendered as ISO-8601 (date only, not the time of the message) * By hard-wiring 2002-December, I got the RSS to validate using Mark Pilgrim's validator. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: captain larry (captainlarry) Date: 2002-12-23 14:36 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=147905 Just voting for support here. This is *great* thanks for the patch and I hope the maintainers include it as soon as it's appropriate :) Adam. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw) Date: 2002-12-23 14:27 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=12800 Deferring until post-2.1 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: A.M. Kuchling (akuchling) Date: 2002-12-23 14:21 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=11375 Argh; SF choked on the file upload. Attaching the patch again... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=657951&group_i…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1621278 ] incomplete reply link in archived posts
by SourceForge.net 23 Dec '06

23 Dec '06

Bugs item #1621278, was opened at 2006-12-23 06:16 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1621278&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Kumaraguru (kums) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: incomplete reply link in archived posts Initial Comment: When viewing the archived messages/posts, one can reply to a post by clicking the mailto link next to the author's name. This is of the form mailto:foo@bar.com?Subject=postsubject&In-Reply-To=unique_message_id ************ THE BUG ************ The unique id for In-Reply-To is present only for posts that are replies to another post. The top level posts don't have a unique id in the mailto link. It is simply blank like it's shown below. mailto:foo@bar.com?Subject=postsubject&In-Reply-To= ****************** WHY IT MATTERS ****************** Some people may disable mail delivery when the mailing list becomes a high volume one. They can see the archived messages through the web front-end. If they are still subscribed to the mailing list, they can even reply to the list by clicking the above mentioned mailto link. For messages which are replies to another post, the mailto link is properly formed having a unique messageid for use in the In-Reply-To header. However, for the top level posts, the mailto link is incomplete as the In-Reply-To is simply blank. If someone replied to a top level post by clicking it's reply link, the reply message will appear out-of-sync as a different top-level post instead of being a reply to the original post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2006-12-23 09:40 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO It's actually worse than you say. The In-Reply-To= in the mailto URL does not contain the Message-ID: of the message being viewed. It contains the In-Reply-To: of the message being viewed, and can be empty for a subordinate message in a thread if that message doesn't contain an In-Reply-To: and was threaded by References:. Thus, even when present, it is wrong and results in improper threading of replies that use it. I will look at fixing this, but the archiver is complex and fragile, so I don't know how difficult this will be. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1621278&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1621278 ] incomplete reply link in archived posts
by SourceForge.net 23 Dec '06

23 Dec '06

Bugs item #1621278, was opened at 2006-12-23 19:46 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1621278&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Kumaraguru (kums) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: incomplete reply link in archived posts Initial Comment: When viewing the archived messages/posts, one can reply to a post by clicking the mailto link next to the author's name. This is of the form mailto:foo@bar.com?Subject=postsubject&In-Reply-To=unique_message_id ************ THE BUG ************ The unique id for In-Reply-To is present only for posts that are replies to another post. The top level posts don't have a unique id in the mailto link. It is simply blank like it's shown below. mailto:foo@bar.com?Subject=postsubject&In-Reply-To= ****************** WHY IT MATTERS ****************** Some people may disable mail delivery when the mailing list becomes a high volume one. They can see the archived messages through the web front-end. If they are still subscribed to the mailing list, they can even reply to the list by clicking the above mentioned mailto link. For messages which are replies to another post, the mailto link is properly formed having a unique messageid for use in the In-Reply-To header. However, for the top level posts, the mailto link is incomplete as the In-Reply-To is simply blank. If someone replied to a top level post by clicking it's reply link, the reply message will appear out-of-sync as a different top-level post instead of being a reply to the original post. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1621278&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1246004 ] 2.1.6 bin/arch bombs out on unicodeerror
by SourceForge.net 15 Dec '06

15 Dec '06

Bugs item #1246004, was opened at 2005-07-27 06:19 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1246004&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: mail delivery Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Auke Kok (sofar) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: 2.1.6 bin/arch bombs out on unicodeerror Initial Comment: Running bin/arch on my i18n- development list I got this beauty: Updating HTML for article 2390 Updating HTML for article 2391 Pickling archive state into /var/mailman/archives/private/xfce-i18n/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 200, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 188, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 573, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 625, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 657, in get_parent_info article.subject) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 311, in getOldestArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, in __init__ self.load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 179, in load self.__sort(dirty=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 73, in __sort self.sorted.sort() UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2006-12-15 10:10 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO See the threads at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2006-February/018587.ht… and http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2006-February/049345.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Eugene Crosser (crosser) Date: 2006-12-15 02:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=124141 Originator: NO I can see the same thing (line numbers are different) with 2.1.9 version. Can it be that no one else got bitten by it yet? How to fix it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1246004&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1246004 ] 2.1.6 bin/arch bombs out on unicodeerror
by SourceForge.net 15 Dec '06

15 Dec '06

Bugs item #1246004, was opened at 2005-07-27 17:19 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by crosser You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1246004&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: mail delivery Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Auke Kok (sofar) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: 2.1.6 bin/arch bombs out on unicodeerror Initial Comment: Running bin/arch on my i18n- development list I got this beauty: Updating HTML for article 2390 Updating HTML for article 2391 Pickling archive state into /var/mailman/archives/private/xfce-i18n/pipermail.pck Traceback (most recent call last): File "bin/arch", line 200, in ? main() File "bin/arch", line 188, in main archiver.processUnixMailbox(fp, start, end) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 573, in processUnixMailbox self.add_article(a) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 625, in add_article article.parentID = parentID = self.get_parent_info(arch, article) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/pipermail.py", line 657, in get_parent_info article.subject) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 311, in getOldestArticle self.__openIndices(archive) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 251, in __openIndices t = DumbBTree(os.path.join(arcdir, archive + '-' + i)) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 65, in __init__ self.load() File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 179, in load self.__sort(dirty=1) File "/var/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/HyperDatabase.py", line 73, in __sort self.sorted.sort() UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Eugene Crosser (crosser) Date: 2006-12-15 13:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=124141 Originator: NO I can see the same thing (line numbers are different) with 2.1.9 version. Can it be that no one else got bitten by it yet? How to fix it? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1246004&group_…

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[ mailman-Patches-1615748 ] Add a configurable site logo
by SourceForge.net 14 Dec '06

14 Dec '06

Patches item #1615748, was opened at 2006-12-14 15:36 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1615748&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web UI Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Add a configurable site logo Initial Comment: The attached patch adds a site logo - turned off by default. It also fixes the logo outputs to make it more consistent. Please consider. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1615748&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1256272 ] NNTP gatewaying trashes Message-IDs
by SourceForge.net 12 Dec '06

12 Dec '06

Bugs item #1256272, was opened at 2005-08-11 01:47 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by poelzi You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1256272&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: nntp/news Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Kate Turner (kateturner) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: NNTP gatewaying trashes Message-IDs Initial Comment: when a message is relayed to NNTP, the NewsRunner unconditionally replaces the existing Message-ID with its own. this breaking threading when reading a list via news, and when an NNTP user replies to a list message. a better solution would be either: 1) do not rewrite the message-id unless the NNTP server reports an error when posting it (duplicate ID); or 2) optionally, always rewrite posters' message-ids into a mailman-generated ID, and use this ID for both mail and news. i have implemented the former at our site and it appears to work, but it's so ugly i'd not feel comfortable submitting a patch for it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Daniel Poelzleithner (poelzi) Date: 2006-12-12 21:12 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=70861 Originator: NO nobrowser: the problem is, that newsserver drop messages in crossposts when one is a mailinglist and the other is a newsgroup. i just had an idea. we you use a small sqlite table: | Original-ID | Translated-ID | Last-Used | When a message is pulled von news, we replace in the reference header alle ocurrences of translated-id's with their original id's. When a message is posted to news, we replace all original-id's with translated-id's. A new message still generates a new message id, the original is inserted into the table along with it's original id. On all actions, we update last-used. The daily cron job, deletes all last-used older than x days (60 for example) to keep the table small. This way, no thread trashing would occure on both sides, while keeping crossposting possible and overhead isn't too much i think. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Kate Turner (kateturner) Date: 2006-04-29 16:44 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1116721 the conflicts occur when a user cross-posts a message to two lists. the newsrunner won't turn it into a cross-post, instead it tries to post it separately to both groups, and the news server rejects the second one for a duplicate message-id (tested with innd). of course, you could say this behaviour is a bug too :) i'm not sure what the best way to group cross-posted messages is, since they won't be received by the same mailman instance. (cancelling the first and re-posting to both groups might work, but i don't know if inn will still record the message-id and not allow it to be reused.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Ian Z. (nobrowser) Date: 2006-04-20 07:13 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1192798 Finally! I thought I was the only one who noticed this. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=346413 Why would the mail message-id ever cause a conflict with the NNTP server? message-ids are supposed to be globally unique and there is a convention (in RFC 2822?) that ensures it (put in the FQDN and something unique to the generating software). So I think 1) is not ugly but correct :) 2) wouldn't completely solve the problem. I can post one copy of a message to a mailman list and another directly to another recipient, including myself. (I actually Cc myself on all mail I send). If mailman does 2), the extra recipient will still be confused. Ian ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1256272&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1610511 ] Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list
by SourceForge.net 09 Dec '06

09 Dec '06

Bugs item #1610511, was opened at 2006-12-06 17:00 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: configuring/installing Group: 2.1 (stable) >Status: Closed Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list Initial Comment: I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 on FreeBSD 5.4, using sendmail. I've had the system configured and it's been running multiple lists for years. Then, in the name of security ("don't use it, turn it off"), I clobbered the "mailman" list which I didn't realize I needed... Ok, so, I'm an idiot -- I should have gone with the other maxim "don't fix it if it ain't broke"... I clobbered the list using 'rmlist'. Upon my next restart of mailman, I got a "site list is missing" error. A quick web search found my answer, namely that the "mailman" list is required. I used "newlist" to create a new one. Yay, I was now able to restart mailman with no error! I then created some new lists, and was able to web manage them just fine. However, here's where it goes bad -- I can no longer get in to the web manager for any of the lists that were created before I blew away the "mailman" list. The web browser simply hangs awaiting server reply upon my hitting the login button. I can get into the new "mailman" list, and have subscribed myself to it. I have checked the mm_cfg.py and it is unchanged from mm_cfg.py.dist (only the import of default settings). Help! (And Thanks in advance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Date: 2006-12-09 04:16 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1662619 Originator: YES With some help from msapiro (thank you again) I've gotten past the rpoblem. There were a dozen or so old locks in the locks directory for the two lists that were affected. Upon stopping mailman daemons, they all remained -- a bad sign. I deleted them, restarted mailman, all seems well now, yay! The two lists that had lockfiles hanging about are the lists that I am most likely to have had left open in my browser over an extended period of time (not logged out, just closed the tab thus still logged in). Additionally, there are other lists that existed before my having clobbered the site list that did not have bad locks left around, so I believe my conclusion that clobbering the site list caused this was wrong. As it's not definate that this problem arose from my having clobbered the site list, I'd have no objections to simply closing this bug report. As a matter of fact, mailman is coring every night (I believe when some spam hits it), so it's more likely this is the problem leaving behind the lockfiles. I'll try to upgrade to the latest version before reporting this latter problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2006-12-06 18:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO First, please to subscribe to mailman-users(a)python.org - http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users - and repost this there if follow up is necessary. The bug tracker is not the best place for questions of this nature. Have you checked Mailman's locks/ directory for stale list locks? It seems like that could be the problem although I don't understand how all the lists could have gotten locked but maybe something to do with cron or some other processing while the site list was missing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1610511 ] Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list
by SourceForge.net 09 Dec '06

09 Dec '06

Bugs item #1610511, was opened at 2006-12-06 17:00 Message generated for change (Settings changed) made by mikelempriere You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: configuring/installing Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open >Resolution: Fixed Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list Initial Comment: I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 on FreeBSD 5.4, using sendmail. I've had the system configured and it's been running multiple lists for years. Then, in the name of security ("don't use it, turn it off"), I clobbered the "mailman" list which I didn't realize I needed... Ok, so, I'm an idiot -- I should have gone with the other maxim "don't fix it if it ain't broke"... I clobbered the list using 'rmlist'. Upon my next restart of mailman, I got a "site list is missing" error. A quick web search found my answer, namely that the "mailman" list is required. I used "newlist" to create a new one. Yay, I was now able to restart mailman with no error! I then created some new lists, and was able to web manage them just fine. However, here's where it goes bad -- I can no longer get in to the web manager for any of the lists that were created before I blew away the "mailman" list. The web browser simply hangs awaiting server reply upon my hitting the login button. I can get into the new "mailman" list, and have subscribed myself to it. I have checked the mm_cfg.py and it is unchanged from mm_cfg.py.dist (only the import of default settings). Help! (And Thanks in advance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Date: 2006-12-09 04:16 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1662619 Originator: YES With some help from msapiro (thank you again) I've gotten past the rpoblem. There were a dozen or so old locks in the locks directory for the two lists that were affected. Upon stopping mailman daemons, they all remained -- a bad sign. I deleted them, restarted mailman, all seems well now, yay! The two lists that had lockfiles hanging about are the lists that I am most likely to have had left open in my browser over an extended period of time (not logged out, just closed the tab thus still logged in). Additionally, there are other lists that existed before my having clobbered the site list that did not have bad locks left around, so I believe my conclusion that clobbering the site list caused this was wrong. As it's not definate that this problem arose from my having clobbered the site list, I'd have no objections to simply closing this bug report. As a matter of fact, mailman is coring every night (I believe when some spam hits it), so it's more likely this is the problem leaving behind the lockfiles. I'll try to upgrade to the latest version before reporting this latter problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2006-12-06 18:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO First, please to subscribe to mailman-users(a)python.org - http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users - and repost this there if follow up is necessary. The bug tracker is not the best place for questions of this nature. Have you checked Mailman's locks/ directory for stale list locks? It seems like that could be the problem although I don't understand how all the lists could have gotten locked but maybe something to do with cron or some other processing while the site list was missing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1610511 ] Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list
by SourceForge.net 09 Dec '06

09 Dec '06

Bugs item #1610511, was opened at 2006-12-06 17:00 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by mikelempriere You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: configuring/installing Group: 2.1 (stable) Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Cannot access old lists after delete/recreate of site list Initial Comment: I'm running Mailman 2.1.7 on FreeBSD 5.4, using sendmail. I've had the system configured and it's been running multiple lists for years. Then, in the name of security ("don't use it, turn it off"), I clobbered the "mailman" list which I didn't realize I needed... Ok, so, I'm an idiot -- I should have gone with the other maxim "don't fix it if it ain't broke"... I clobbered the list using 'rmlist'. Upon my next restart of mailman, I got a "site list is missing" error. A quick web search found my answer, namely that the "mailman" list is required. I used "newlist" to create a new one. Yay, I was now able to restart mailman with no error! I then created some new lists, and was able to web manage them just fine. However, here's where it goes bad -- I can no longer get in to the web manager for any of the lists that were created before I blew away the "mailman" list. The web browser simply hangs awaiting server reply upon my hitting the login button. I can get into the new "mailman" list, and have subscribed myself to it. I have checked the mm_cfg.py and it is unchanged from mm_cfg.py.dist (only the import of default settings). Help! (And Thanks in advance) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: MikeLempriere (mikelempriere) Date: 2006-12-09 04:16 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1662619 Originator: YES With some help from msapiro (thank you again) I've gotten past the rpoblem. There were a dozen or so old locks in the locks directory for the two lists that were affected. Upon stopping mailman daemons, they all remained -- a bad sign. I deleted them, restarted mailman, all seems well now, yay! The two lists that had lockfiles hanging about are the lists that I am most likely to have had left open in my browser over an extended period of time (not logged out, just closed the tab thus still logged in). Additionally, there are other lists that existed before my having clobbered the site list that did not have bad locks left around, so I believe my conclusion that clobbering the site list caused this was wrong. As it's not definate that this problem arose from my having clobbered the site list, I'd have no objections to simply closing this bug report. As a matter of fact, mailman is coring every night (I believe when some spam hits it), so it's more likely this is the problem leaving behind the lockfiles. I'll try to upgrade to the latest version before reporting this latter problem. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2006-12-06 18:37 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO First, please to subscribe to mailman-users(a)python.org - http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users - and repost this there if follow up is necessary. The bug tracker is not the best place for questions of this nature. Have you checked Mailman's locks/ directory for stale list locks? It seems like that could be the problem although I don't understand how all the lists could have gotten locked but maybe something to do with cron or some other processing while the site list was missing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1610511&group_…

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Mailman-coders December 2006