Mailman-coders June 2008

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[ mailman-Bugs-2004506 ] 2.1.11rc2 does not honor ./configure arguments
by SourceForge.net 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Bugs item #2004506, was opened at 2008-06-27 14:05 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=2004506&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: configuring/installing Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: measl (measl) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: 2.1.11rc2 does not honor ./configure arguments Initial Comment: ./configure --prefix=/usr/home/crippen/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/local/python results in python being looked for in /usr/bin/python /usr/mailman/mail/mailman being fed to postfix, etc. It looks like rc2 does not use the configure arguments. Very very painful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-27 15:28 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO It works for me. Furthermore, configure.in hasn't changed in any significant way in ages, and I doubt that autoconf would mess up this badly. Do you possibly have some environment settings that are interfering? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=2004506&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-2004506 ] 2.1.11rc2 does not honor ./configure arguments
by SourceForge.net 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Bugs item #2004506, was opened at 2008-06-27 16:05 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=2004506&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: configuring/installing Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: measl (measl) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: 2.1.11rc2 does not honor ./configure arguments Initial Comment: ./configure --prefix=/usr/home/crippen/mailman --with-cgi-gid=apache --with-python=/usr/local/python results in python being looked for in /usr/bin/python /usr/mailman/mail/mailman being fed to postfix, etc. It looks like rc2 does not use the configure arguments. Very very painful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=2004506&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1999387 ] Misleading question in Subscribe WWW form.
by SourceForge.net 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Bugs item #1999387, was opened at 2008-06-21 13:27 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by keinstein You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1999387&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: (un)subscribing Group: None Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Tobias Schlemmer (keinstein) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Misleading question in Subscribe WWW form. Initial Comment: Hi, At least the German translation is misleading on the subscription confirmation page of Mailman 2.1.5 as I have seen the same should be true in current trunk revison. The problem is that the Question "Nachrichtensammlungen abonnieren? Nein Ja" doesn't contain any information, that this setting is the delivery mode. It could be interpreted as "Yes, I really want to recieve emails from the list." I think the text of the default is much better to understand and would less likely loose so much information in any translation. So I suggest to change the message "Receive digests? No Yes" (in German: "Nachrichtensammlungen abonnieren? Nein Ja") to "Which delivery mode shall be used? Regular Digest" (in German "Welcher Auslieferungsmodus wird gewnscht? Normal Nachrichtensammlung") Btw.: The term "Nachrichtensammlung" just tells that it's a collection of messages, but nothing that it is deliverend as one Email containing the collection. I'd prefer to emphasize that its one email containing a collection, in German: "Sammelnachricht". That this collection will be a collection of messages shuld be easy to understand, since we are in a context of mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Tobias Schlemmer (keinstein) Date: 2008-06-27 16:45 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=831067 Originator: YES Thanks for the hint to the UI discussion. I don't want to join a general discussion, I'm just an mailing list administrator arguing for his end users. As I'm not the server admin I can't provide much help in the development. But as this message is seldom read and easyly overlooked by developers I'm reporting it here. > It doesn't work that way. The English text is the key used to look up the > translated text in the target language's message catalog. Change one > character in the English text, and the message will no longer be > translated. This is simply not true. Try something like for d in trasnslation_dir/*/LC_MESSAGES/mailman.po ; do sed -i.old -e 's,"Receive digests?","Deliver messages as digests?",' $d ; done on any machine where sed is GNU sed. And make the same change in the program file. If you are afraid of the yes/no issue, leave it as it is. If I'd have installed mailman on one of my computers I'd send you a patch, but I simply can't test it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-21 19:01 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO >So your answer sounds to me as the answer of a technician. But the end >user needs another solution. It is the answer of a technician. I tried to explain the technical considerations which I feel prohibit me from making this change on the 2.1 branch. If you want to discuss consistency, semantics and usability of the web interface in future releases, this bug report is not the appropriate place. The appropriate place is the mailman-developers(a)python.org list <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers>. There is an existing thread at <http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-developers/2008-June/020256.html>. There is also the wiki page at <http://wiki.list.org/x/RoBE>. >In the stable branch, just change the english text to be more explicit and >use the old translations in any language. It doesn't work that way. The English text is the key used to look up the translated text in the target language's message catalog. Change one character in the English text, and the message will no longer be translated. >Both are formulated as yes/no questions, but the "or" answers "Regular" >and "Digest" are also valid answers. I'm sure that's true in many of the translations, but I can't guarantee that it's true in all 35 translations. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Tobias Schlemmer (keinstein) Date: 2008-06-21 18:18 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=831067 Originator: YES The problem is: Even the English translation leaves too much room for misinterpretations. The "exclusive or" is not expressed. In fact it can be interpreted as "Recieve digests, too". So your answer sounds to me as the answer of a technician. But the end user needs another solution. There should be some consolidation, anyhow. At the moment even in the english translation the same feature is described at different locations in at least three different ways. This makes the communication between the everage user and administrators problematic. Most end users don't know about digest modes (or any other feature). So if the admin uses term A and the end user reads term B he won't be able to combine them, regardless the language. The best way would be to use the same terms for all the interfaces (user, admin defaults, registration). Unfortunately the user configuration pages are stored as a monolithic HTML page in the .po file. Maybe it is possible to store the strings seperately? Or field wise and generate the appropriate pages according to the settings, if either the admin changes them (if the page was not modified manually) or on explicit request? What about the following solution: Consolidate the messages in the development branch, breaking the languages. This must be possible in any software project. In the stable branch, just change the english text to be more explicit and use the old translations in any language. Some of them are already more descriptive. This should be possible using a simple sed script. The language maintainers should be informed about that and can decide if they have already a good translation or if they want to change anything. Two examples (as far as I can read them) with English and German translation: Polish: Grupowa listy w paczki? English: Group messages in digests? German: Post in Sammelnachrichten gruppieren? Czech: Dostvat pspvky jako digest? English: Deliver messages as digests? German: Post als Sammelnachrichten zustellen? Both are formulated as yes/no questions, but the "or" answers "Regular" and "Digest" are also valid answers. I'd prefer the latter two as they provide some synonymic redundance, which makes it easier to understand the question in the right way. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-21 16:55 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO Thanks for your input. There are a couple of problems for your suggestion at least as it pertains to the 2.1.x branch (the translation is the same in 2.1.11rc1). The text "Receive digests? No Yes" is actually three strings - "Receive digests?", "No" and "Yes" which are translated separately. Changing the English to "Which delivery mode shall be used? Regular Digest" would require translation of the three strings "Which delivery mode shall be used?", "Regular" and "Digest". It happens that "Regular" and "Digest" are already translated (German = "Normal" and "Nachrichtensammlung"), but "Which delivery mode shall be used?" or anything similar is not. Thus if the English were changed 34 other translations (not counting German) would be broken. Thus, I won't change the English at this point. Given that, if you can suggest a better German translation of "Receive digests?" that would be answered "Nein" or "Ja", I will update the German translation of "Receive digests?" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1999387&group_…

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[ mailman-Patches-2001514 ] Patch for Spanish locale
by SourceForge.net 24 Jun '08

24 Jun '08

Patches item #2001514, was opened at 2008-06-24 00:36 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=2001514&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: internationalization Group: Mailman 2.1 >Status: Closed >Resolution: Accepted Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Patch for Spanish locale Initial Comment: Hi, Here's a trivial patch for the Spanish locale: it has a mistranslated variable name (opt instead of s). cheers, Thijs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-24 08:19 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO Patch is actually in 2.1.11rc2. It was picked in a merge of the lp:~amk/mailman/small-fixes branch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=2001514&group_…

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[ mailman-Patches-2001514 ] Patch for Spanish locale
by SourceForge.net 24 Jun '08

24 Jun '08

Patches item #2001514, was opened at 2008-06-24 09:36 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=2001514&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: internationalization Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Patch for Spanish locale Initial Comment: Hi, Here's a trivial patch for the Spanish locale: it has a mistranslated variable name (opt instead of s). cheers, Thijs ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=2001514&group_…

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[ mailman-Feature Requests-1873392 ] Can't change users' reminders from web
by SourceForge.net 23 Jun '08

23 Jun '08

Feature Requests item #1873392, was opened at 2008-01-17 10:32 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by jidanni You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=1873392&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: None Group: None >Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Can't change users' reminders from web Initial Comment: On the (English) page entitled "Members mailing list administration Membership Management... Section" There is no button to adjust users' monthly password reminders. I bet one must loging as each users one by one to turn them off. All I have is the web interface on Dreamhost. I bet there's more items too that one can't change from the admin web pages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: jidanni (jidanni) Date: 2008-06-24 05:14 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1971011 Originator: YES Yes, I recall what I wanted was being able to adjust every detail right there, without the frustration of visiting a separate page (be it only one click away or not) for each user I want to make the change for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-22 23:27 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO I'm moving this to feature requests. What it seems to ask is that additional, per user settings - password reminders and topic related settings - be added to the Membership Management page so they can be set more directly than by going to each user's options page. However, the submitter seems to not recognize that the admin can go to the user's options page directly from the Membership Management pages by clicking the user's email address, so I've set the status to 'pending' awaiting clarification from the submitter. Also, as pointed out in the previous comment, if all one wants is to turn off reminders for all users, this is available on the General Options page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Date: 2008-06-22 20:03 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=285765 Originator: NO What do you mean? It's very present in the administrator interface: General -> send_reminders seems to be the option you're looking for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=1873392&group_…

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[ mailman-Patches-1999966 ] patch for Danish locale
by SourceForge.net 22 Jun '08

22 Jun '08

Patches item #1999966, was opened at 2008-06-22 05:10 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1999966&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: internationalization Group: Mailman 2.1 >Status: Closed >Resolution: Accepted Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) >Assigned to: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Summary: patch for Danish locale Initial Comment: Hi, The following was submitted to Debian by Jonas Smedegaard, against version 2.1.10. He writes: "Attached is a patched to the danish l10n to correctly use html entities when needed." Please consider applying it. thanks, Thijs (Debian bug #487491) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-22 08:39 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO The patch looks good. It will be in 2.1.11rc2. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1999966&group_…

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[ mailman-Feature Requests-1873392 ] Can't change users' reminders from web
by SourceForge.net 22 Jun '08

22 Jun '08

Feature Requests item #1873392, was opened at 2008-01-16 18:32 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by msapiro You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=1873392&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. >Category: None >Group: None >Status: Pending Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Can't change users' reminders from web Initial Comment: On the (English) page entitled "Members mailing list administration Membership Management... Section" There is no button to adjust users' monthly password reminders. I bet one must loging as each users one by one to turn them off. All I have is the web interface on Dreamhost. I bet there's more items too that one can't change from the admin web pages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Comment By: Mark Sapiro (msapiro) Date: 2008-06-22 08:27 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=1123998 Originator: NO I'm moving this to feature requests. What it seems to ask is that additional, per user settings - password reminders and topic related settings - be added to the Membership Management page so they can be set more directly than by going to each user's options page. However, the submitter seems to not recognize that the admin can go to the user's options page directly from the Membership Management pages by clicking the user's email address, so I've set the status to 'pending' awaiting clarification from the submitter. Also, as pointed out in the previous comment, if all one wants is to turn off reminders for all users, this is available on the General Options page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Date: 2008-06-22 05:03 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=285765 Originator: NO What do you mean? It's very present in the administrator interface: General -> send_reminders seems to be the option you're looking for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350103&aid=1873392&group_…

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[ mailman-Patches-1999966 ] patch for Danish locale
by SourceForge.net 22 Jun '08

22 Jun '08

Patches item #1999966, was opened at 2008-06-22 14:10 Message generated for change (Tracker Item Submitted) made by Item Submitter You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1999966&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: internationalization Group: Mailman 2.1 Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: patch for Danish locale Initial Comment: Hi, The following was submitted to Debian by Jonas Smedegaard, against version 2.1.10. He writes: "Attached is a patched to the danish l10n to correctly use html entities when needed." Please consider applying it. thanks, Thijs (Debian bug #487491) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=300103&aid=1999966&group_…

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[ mailman-Bugs-1873392 ] Can't change users' reminders from web
by SourceForge.net 22 Jun '08

22 Jun '08

Bugs item #1873392, was opened at 2008-01-17 03:32 Message generated for change (Comment added) made by kink You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1873392&group_… Please note that this message will contain a full copy of the comment thread, including the initial issue submission, for this request, not just the latest update. Category: Web/CGI Group: 2.1 beta Status: Open Resolution: None Priority: 5 Private: No Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni) Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody) Summary: Can't change users' reminders from web Initial Comment: On the (English) page entitled "Members mailing list administration Membership Management... Section" There is no button to adjust users' monthly password reminders. I bet one must loging as each users one by one to turn them off. All I have is the web interface on Dreamhost. I bet there's more items too that one can't change from the admin web pages. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Comment By: Thijs Kinkhorst (kink) Date: 2008-06-22 14:03 Message: Logged In: YES user_id=285765 Originator: NO What do you mean? It's very present in the administrator interface: General -> send_reminders seems to be the option you're looking for. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can respond by visiting: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=100103&aid=1873392&group_…

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